Quoted in the April issue of the Latvian sports magazine Sporta Avize, Porzingis was asked if he will sign a second contract with the Knicks. Porzingis’ four-year rookie deal has two years left and he said he hopes to finish his career with the Knicks — with a caveat.
“Absolutely, I want to stay here all my career,’’ Porzingis said, according to the English translation provided by the magazine. “But the thing I want most of all is winning. When the time comes, I will seriously start to think about it. Right now I just try to do my best.”
“This was a situation media did not hesitate to heat up more than it was in reality. I think there was some mistakes from Phil — things he maybe shouldn’t [have] said or written, things that made the situation worse or made him not look good. But at the same time — it’s that kind of business. I understand.’’
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Rabb hasn't really taken a step forward, and athletically he seemed to have taken a step back from his high school years. He might be a thinner Randolph.
What's interesting to me is where Harry Giles will be picked. I don't think he made a combined 10 buckets all year at Duke, but don't know how teams will judge his potential, despite two bad knees.
Also, Frank Jackson, I'd be interested at him if he's around in the second when we pick. If Jordan Bell is around, I'd jump on him too.
These seems to be contradictory to saying we recognize his age. He's a kid. He wouldn't know how to be anything else.
Is anyone convinced that Kurt Rambis is the position coach that can maximize his potential? If Kurt were actually coaching the whole team, I'm quite certain he'd try to turn Porzingis into a 1990's-NBA center.
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DOnt even like Winslow and realize the Knicks would be lucky to get him or the pick for Melo let alone both. I think many are going to be thoroughly underwhelmed if they are expecting a package like Bosh, 14 and Winslow.
While I don't believe Melo should have a lot of value, I don't know if I can agree with this yet. We won't know anything until we know how many teams are intersted. If Phil can drum up interest from multiple teams, the return will go up. Just get teams to bid against each other and we should get more than he's worth.
We aren't getting jack shit for melo. One decent chip and that's it. Prepare yourselves.
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I know he's 21, but he's acting incredibly immature. We always praise him for his maturity but he's acted very petty the last few weeks.
Bingo.
Not sure I agree. KP is trying to bring about change. Michael Jordan rode the HC out of town leading to the Jackson hire. Was he immature? Magic did the same thing. Not that KP is trying to get anyone fired it's clear he's rightfully upset with the direction of the franchise. I hope KP does and says whatever is needed to bring about change. We need that. I love this dude more and more.
Not sure I agree. KP is trying to bring about change. Michael Jordan rode the HC out of town leading to the Jackson hire. Was he immature? Magic did the same thing. Not that KP is trying to get anyone fired it's clear he's rightfully upset with the direction of the franchise. I hope KP does and says whatever is needed to bring about change. We need that. I love this dude more and more.
MJ had 3 different head coaches during his first 3 seasons in the league. He also averaged 31 PPG with 5 rebounds, 5 assists during that span. He also won the MVP Award the year before he "rode the HC (Doug Collins) out of town".
Magic won a Finals MVP as a rookie and averaged 19 PPG, 8 assists, and 8 rebounds in the 3 years before "he did the same thing".
KP, at this point, has yet to put together 4 "good" months of basketball in the NBA, let alone anything remotely resembling those two guys. One thing that definitely could "change the direction of the franchise" is KP improving his game and performing better and more consistently. Until then, he really should worry more about the guy in the mirror than the direction of the franchise. So much of the work that makes guys the best doesn't happen under the umbrella of the franchise... it happens in the gym with no one else around. I truly hope KP becomes so good that he can dictate things with the Knicks. But he's not there now.
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I know he's 21, but he's acting incredibly immature.
These seems to be contradictory to saying we recognize his age. He's a kid. He wouldn't know how to be anything else.
Sure, he's 21 and he's extremely young but at the same time, he's not young enough to know how to be responsible. If he wants to be paid instead of going to college, then he needs to assume some responsibility.
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I know he's 21, but he's acting incredibly immature.
These seems to be contradictory to saying we recognize his age. He's a kid. He wouldn't know how to be anything else.
Sure, he's 21 and he's extremely young but at the same time, he's not young enough to know how to be responsible. If he wants to be paid instead of going to college, then he needs to assume some responsibility.
Declared, but didn't sign with an agent. I've been keeping tabs since Dan dropped that knowledge!
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I know he's 21, but he's acting incredibly immature.
These seems to be contradictory to saying we recognize his age. He's a kid. He wouldn't know how to be anything else.
Sure, he's 21 and he's extremely young but at the same time, he's not young enough to know how to be responsible. If he wants to be paid instead of going to college, then he needs to assume some responsibility.
well, he was a paid professional well before he was drafted..
Right. He needs to be a grown-up if he wants to be paid like one.
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Not sure I agree. KP is trying to bring about change. Michael Jordan rode the HC out of town leading to the Jackson hire. Was he immature? Magic did the same thing. Not that KP is trying to get anyone fired it's clear he's rightfully upset with the direction of the franchise. I hope KP does and says whatever is needed to bring about change. We need that. I love this dude more and more.
MJ had 3 different head coaches during his first 3 seasons in the league. He also averaged 31 PPG with 5 rebounds, 5 assists during that span. He also won the MVP Award the year before he "rode the HC (Doug Collins) out of town".
Magic won a Finals MVP as a rookie and averaged 19 PPG, 8 assists, and 8 rebounds in the 3 years before "he did the same thing".
KP, at this point, has yet to put together 4 "good" months of basketball in the NBA, let alone anything remotely resembling those two guys. One thing that definitely could "change the direction of the franchise" is KP improving his game and performing better and more consistently. Until then, he really should worry more about the guy in the mirror than the direction of the franchise. So much of the work that makes guys the best doesn't happen under the umbrella of the franchise... it happens in the gym with no one else around. I truly hope KP becomes so good that he can dictate things with the Knicks. But he's not there now.
So what? Is KP an important part of the Knicks or not? He's been in the league two years. He IS the Knicks at this point. The Knicks are a fucking circus at the very least. Far worse if we only knew the secrets that place possessed.
What does KP's accolades have to do with anything?
How many players are going to be wrong here before we realize it's not the player? The Knicks have run them ALL out of town! All of them! Gone! And they are still fucking playing!
KP is not wrong here. Fool me once...shame on them...fool me twice...no more. I am done defending the powers the be here. Done. I feel bad for Melo and he's a pain in the ass. But I feel for him. KP is fine in my book. HE's being infected by this shit stained asshole of a team and it's only a matter of time before he's done here. Just watch. And who's fault will that be?
KP is an accomplished veteran now. He's got some clout here. For all we know the Knicks are even worse behind the scenes then we know of. From all accounts Phil is a titanic asshole of the highest order. I don't blame KP one fucking bit here.
I can't believe we are even debating this. What did KP do that was so bad anyway? HE left without talking to MGMT? The same MGT that played fuck you mind games all season long? Are you guys fucking kidding me here? Fuck MGMT. Seriously, fuck the Knicks MGMT right in the face. Twice. You want to be treated with respect from the personnel you manage? How about you treat the personnel with respect first! How about that!
Seriously, think guys...
Bravo KP! Bravo.
People joke about sheeple etc. But it's true. This thread literally has people complaining about not being spun.
KP is an accomplished veteran now. He's got some clout here.
What fucking accomplishment????????????????????
People joke about sheeple etc. But it's true. This thread literally has people complaining about not being spun.
i dont care about being pissed off or not sugarcoating everytbing, but if you have a meeting with your boss you go because that is your job..
if me or you just skip a meeting because we dont like our boss we are fired on the spot no matter who you are..
seems to me if there was a problem or kp had a problem with something he should of went to phil and aired everything out because that was the time for it..
just skipping the meeting made him look like a whiny baby and someone who doesnt have very thick skin
Bravo KP! Bravo.
it is not about kissing ass, he skipped out on a mandatory meeting, thats conduct detrimental to the team..
melo who had every reason in the world to skip the meeting, he was there..
evryone else was there, no one else skipped this meeting, so the dysfunction was so bad that kp was so distraught he couldnt go and sit with phil for 20 minutes? thats bullshit
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came off worse than an immature me first diva player this year. He came off worse than Terrell Owens on his worst day. And this is the PRESIDENT of the Knicks!!!!! And now..we are sitting here taking KP to task because he left the team without kissing any ass on the way out????
Bravo KP! Bravo.
it is not about kissing ass, he skipped out on a mandatory meeting, thats conduct detrimental to the team..
and management has created an environment (through their own actions) where conduct detrimental to the team goes unpunished. For the record, I do think KP should have sucked it up and gone to the meeting. But if we're assigning blame here, it starts at the top IMO.
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came off worse than an immature me first diva player this year. He came off worse than Terrell Owens on his worst day. And this is the PRESIDENT of the Knicks!!!!! And now..we are sitting here taking KP to task because he left the team without kissing any ass on the way out????
Bravo KP! Bravo.
it is not about kissing ass, he skipped out on a mandatory meeting, thats conduct detrimental to the team..
and management has created an environment (through their own actions) where conduct detrimental to the team goes unpunished. For the record, I do think KP should have sucked it up and gone to the meeting. But if we're assigning blame here, it starts at the top IMO.
it doesnt matter what you think of the front office, you still suck it up and go to the meeting..
melo who was trashed by phil jackson still showed up to that meeting where he knew he was going to get told they didnt want him anymore, he still faced the music...
i am sorry but kp is in the wrong here, doesnt matter how much peoplr hate phil or the knicks, kp is in the wrong
seems to me if there was a problem or kp had a problem with something he should of went to phil and aired everything out because that was the time for it..
just skipping the meeting made him look like a whiny baby and someone who doesnt have very thick skin
You're assuming that there has been no KP-Phil communication. Maybe KP (or thru his agent) has made his thoughts known, and was sending a message by not sitting thru some garbage Phil meeting where Phil doesnt acknowledge his failures in building the team and instead irrationally craps on KP for not being Michael Jordan, not being ready, nor not adopting the Triange as a religion.
Your attempt to compare your employment to an NBA star's situation makes no sense. Put aside the fact that they have contracts. KP is a unique, world class talent. Those people dont get fired for doing the shit you wouldnt dare do. Athletes, actors, musicians etc. They play by different rules because they are not fungible.
it is not about kissing ass, he skipped out on a mandatory meeting, thats conduct detrimental to the team..
How do you know it is mandatory? Is it in the CBA?
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just skip a meeting because we dont like our boss we are fired on the spot no matter who you are..
I am the boss. And I wouldnt fire someone on the spot for skipping a meeting.
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seems to me if there was a problem or kp had a problem with something he should of went to phil and aired everything out because that was the time for it..
just skipping the meeting made him look like a whiny baby and someone who doesnt have very thick skin
You're assuming that there has been no KP-Phil communication. Maybe KP (or thru his agent) has made his thoughts known, and was sending a message by not sitting thru some garbage Phil meeting where Phil doesnt acknowledge his failures in building the team and instead irrationally craps on KP for not being Michael Jordan, not being ready, nor not adopting the Triange as a religion.
Your attempt to compare your employment to an NBA star's situation makes no sense. Put aside the fact that they have contracts. KP is a unique, world class talent. Those people dont get fired for doing the shit you wouldnt dare do. Athletes, actors, musicians etc. They play by different rules because they are not fungible.
first kp has said he has had no communication with the knicks..
second you have no problem with the person the knicks plan on building the future around skipping meetings and basically running to latvia without any care what the knicks think? pretty big red flag to me, what happens next year when he is the face and the media starts saying he cant be a number 1? he going to start skipping things again because he cant handle the dysfunction?
and i am a boss to and if someone directly disrespected me and then a week goes by and has no communication yeah i am thinking long and hard about firing him or her..
So what? Is KP an important part of the Knicks or not? He's been in the league two years. He IS the Knicks at this point. The Knicks are a fucking circus at the very least. Far worse if we only knew the secrets that place possessed.
What does KP's accolades have to do with anything?
How many players are going to be wrong here before we realize it's not the player? The Knicks have run them ALL out of town! All of them! Gone! And they are still fucking playing!
KP is not wrong here. Fool me once...shame on them...fool me twice...no more. I am done defending the powers the be here. Done. I feel bad for Melo and he's a pain in the ass. But I feel for him. KP is fine in my book. HE's being infected by this shit stained asshole of a team and it's only a matter of time before he's done here. Just watch. And who's fault will that be?
You have every right to be pissed off at the organization as a fan, but I think it's made people ignore other peoples' behaviors too. Why on earth would anyone feel bad for Melo? He's run off coaches, including the guy who's going to get the Coach of the Year Award in a few months. His selfishness once made STAT so irate that he broke his hand during the playoffs in anger. His effort level on defense isn't even remotely commensurate with his salary and leadership position on this team. I defended Melo for a long time, but the idea that I would feel bad for him is preposterous.
Whatever "clout" KP has is based solely on his talent, not on his production at this point. We don't have to agree on this, but I'd prefer to see him handle his business (part of which includes exit meetings) before he worries about other people's business.
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it is not about kissing ass, he skipped out on a mandatory meeting, thats conduct detrimental to the team..
How do you know it is mandatory? Is it in the CBA?
when a meeting is set up with the hierarchy of the team that tells me mandatory, especially when every single player in the entire nba had no problem going to theirs
second you have no problem with the person the knicks plan on building the future around skipping meetings and basically running to latvia without any care what the knicks think? pretty big red flag to me, what happens next year when he is the face and the media starts saying he cant be a number 1? he going to start skipping things again because he cant handle the dysfunction?
and i am a boss to and if someone directly disrespected me and then a week goes by and has no communication yeah i am thinking long and hard about firing him or her..
My concern is that the Knicks are terribly run. I dont have a problem with KP using this meeting as a tool to express his displeasure. If he just shows up and complains, it is likely in one ear and out the other.
You circle back to firing. KP cannot be fired. If KP's contract were voided, he would be the happiest player in the NBA. He's sign a $100 million dollar contract with whatever team he wanted.
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second you have no problem with the person the knicks plan on building the future around skipping meetings and basically running to latvia without any care what the knicks think? pretty big red flag to me, what happens next year when he is the face and the media starts saying he cant be a number 1? he going to start skipping things again because he cant handle the dysfunction?
and i am a boss to and if someone directly disrespected me and then a week goes by and has no communication yeah i am thinking long and hard about firing him or her..
My concern is that the Knicks are terribly run. I dont have a problem with KP using this meeting as a tool to express his displeasure. If he just shows up and complains, it is likely in one ear and out the other.
You circle back to firing. KP cannot be fired. If KP's contract were voided, he would be the happiest player in the NBA. He's sign a $100 million dollar contract with whatever team he wanted.
obviously he can not be fired, but in my eyes right now i dony think kp can handle new york..
what is he going to do next year when the knicks are losing again and all the balme is showered onto him because melo is no longer here to take it all?
melo was his security blanket and now that melo is most likely gone kp knows that blanket is gone and its time to put up or shut up and he is scared in my opinion..
he knows every double team is coming to him and the scoring load will fall on his shoulders
As for whether he can handle NY, I've been pretty impressed with him to date. I think you're making far too much of this one meeting issue. Which, as I've said, I think is a fair way to send a message.
As for whether he can handle NY, I've been pretty impressed with him to date. I think you're making far too much of this one meeting issue. Which, as I've said, I think is a fair way to send a message.
i hope so deej, i really do...
my worry is, does the message say build a win now, that is why i think he should of attendef the meeting, phil could if yold him the plan and there wouldnt be so much question..
if phil told him we are going to bild a young team around you, would he be so pissed off?
By skipping the meeting, now Phil has to come to him. Phil cant come with more nonsense, he has to come with a compelling story.
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So what? Is KP an important part of the Knicks or not? He's been in the league two years. He IS the Knicks at this point. The Knicks are a fucking circus at the very least. Far worse if we only knew the secrets that place possessed.
What does KP's accolades have to do with anything?
How many players are going to be wrong here before we realize it's not the player? The Knicks have run them ALL out of town! All of them! Gone! And they are still fucking playing!
KP is not wrong here. Fool me once...shame on them...fool me twice...no more. I am done defending the powers the be here. Done. I feel bad for Melo and he's a pain in the ass. But I feel for him. KP is fine in my book. HE's being infected by this shit stained asshole of a team and it's only a matter of time before he's done here. Just watch. And who's fault will that be?
You have every right to be pissed off at the organization as a fan, but I think it's made people ignore other peoples' behaviors too. Why on earth would anyone feel bad for Melo? He's run off coaches, including the guy who's going to get the Coach of the Year Award in a few months. His selfishness once made STAT so irate that he broke his hand during the playoffs in anger. His effort level on defense isn't even remotely commensurate with his salary and leadership position on this team. I defended Melo for a long time, but the idea that I would feel bad for him is preposterous.
Whatever "clout" KP has is based solely on his talent, not on his production at this point. We don't have to agree on this, but I'd prefer to see him handle his business (part of which includes exit meetings) before he worries about other people's business.
I've gone back n forth on Melo here but after thinking it through I blame ownership and knicks mgmt first and foremost. They suck. They ruin everything. I think Dolan might even cause cancer but I can't prove that.
MElo is a great player. He's a little weird maybe even very weird but he has not been the problem here in NYC. Surround Melo with good players and we'd be fine right now and last year and the year before.
The environment here is toxic. It doesn't matter the player or group of players. The end result will always be failure. The winning never lasts. No long term growth. No progress. No talent nurturing or cultivation of any kind. Every young player.....EVERY single one regresses. Maybe Dolan is just too loyal with these GM/coaching hires. Maybe he meddles too much at times and not enough at other times I don't know. All I know is we are mired in another front office fiasco situation. The only thing Phil hasn't done wrong, and it's a big one, is run off any future assets like IT or layden or others have done. And he drafted KP and Gomez.
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KP is an accomplished veteran now. He's got some clout here.
What fucking accomplishment????????????????????
Again you're missing the point. KP isn't an established NBA player? WTF have you been watching? ON every single under 25 list, KP is top 3-5. Every single one. He's a player now. How long does one need to play for you to accept him as a respected voice? 5 years? KP is the Knicks.
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I am the boss. And I wouldnt fire someone on the spot for skipping a meeting.
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seems to me if there was a problem or kp had a problem with something he should of went to phil and aired everything out because that was the time for it..
just skipping the meeting made him look like a whiny baby and someone who doesnt have very thick skin
You're assuming that there has been no KP-Phil communication. Maybe KP (or thru his agent) has made his thoughts known, and was sending a message by not sitting thru some garbage Phil meeting where Phil doesnt acknowledge his failures in building the team and instead irrationally craps on KP for not being Michael Jordan, not being ready, nor not adopting the Triange as a religion.
Your attempt to compare your employment to an NBA star's situation makes no sense. Put aside the fact that they have contracts. KP is a unique, world class talent. Those people dont get fired for doing the shit you wouldnt dare do. Athletes, actors, musicians etc. They play by different rules because they are not fungible.
Thank you.
Last thing I will say is it most definitely does matter what I think of the Knicks front office. I am questioning the standards of said front office. I don't know for sure if they should be respected as such. Yes, KP should suck it up and attend the meeting if the meeting was with someone that garnered even an ounce of respect.
We really don't know the extent of how bad things could be at MSG. KP's behavior shouldn't draw scrutiny to him as much as it should to MSG. From everything we have read and observed of KP he's squeaky fuckin clean. He's as humble and grounded an athlete as we have ever seen here. Now look at Phil. Lol...who's side are you taking?
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second you have no problem with the person the knicks plan on building the future around skipping meetings and basically running to latvia without any care what the knicks think? pretty big red flag to me, what happens next year when he is the face and the media starts saying he cant be a number 1? he going to start skipping things again because he cant handle the dysfunction?
and i am a boss to and if someone directly disrespected me and then a week goes by and has no communication yeah i am thinking long and hard about firing him or her..
My concern is that the Knicks are terribly run. I dont have a problem with KP using this meeting as a tool to express his displeasure. If he just shows up and complains, it is likely in one ear and out the other.
You circle back to firing. KP cannot be fired. If KP's contract were voided, he would be the happiest player in the NBA. He's sign a $100 million dollar contract with whatever team he wanted.
obviously he can not be fired, but in my eyes right now i dony think kp can handle new york..
what is he going to do next year when the knicks are losing again and all the balme is showered onto him because melo is no longer here to take it all?
melo was his security blanket and now that melo is most likely gone kp knows that blanket is gone and its time to put up or shut up and he is scared in my opinion..
he knows every double team is coming to him and the scoring load will fall on his shoulders
Wow. You really believe that? Dude, it's simple...KP can't stand Phil. The guy comes off as a first rate asshole. Who the hell knows how Phil has "communicated" with the players or what's been said.
Again you're missing the point. KP isn't an established NBA player? WTF have you been watching? ON every single under 25 list, KP is top 3-5. Every single one. He's a player now. How long does one need to play for you to accept him as a respected voice? 5 years? KP is the Knicks.
We can disagree about the importance of "accomplishment(s)" in this issue, but that is not an actual accomplishment. Forget about lists or awards... has he even put together 4 consecutive months of good basketball yet? He has skill and he has potential. The next step should be turning those things into consistent production. That should be his singular focus. When he does that, I'll be very happy. Then he will have earned the right to be a respected voice IMO. The fact that he "is the Knicks" says far less about what KP has done and earned than it does about the moribund state of the franchise. He's a grown man and he can give his opinion about anything he wants. I'd just prefer for him to handle his own business first.
I'll side with KP over Knicks mgmt. HE's earned some trust where as Phil has blown every ounce of trust I had out the window. He's a wad. I just pray he doesn't fuck the franchise over with some killer move. I shudder.
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second you have no problem with the person the knicks plan on building the future around skipping meetings and basically running to latvia without any care what the knicks think? pretty big red flag to me, what happens next year when he is the face and the media starts saying he cant be a number 1? he going to start skipping things again because he cant handle the dysfunction?
and i am a boss to and if someone directly disrespected me and then a week goes by and has no communication yeah i am thinking long and hard about firing him or her..
My concern is that the Knicks are terribly run. I dont have a problem with KP using this meeting as a tool to express his displeasure. If he just shows up and complains, it is likely in one ear and out the other.
You circle back to firing. KP cannot be fired. If KP's contract were voided, he would be the happiest player in the NBA. He's sign a $100 million dollar contract with whatever team he wanted.
obviously he can not be fired, but in my eyes right now i dony think kp can handle new york..
what is he going to do next year when the knicks are losing again and all the balme is showered onto him because melo is no longer here to take it all?
melo was his security blanket and now that melo is most likely gone kp knows that blanket is gone and its time to put up or shut up and he is scared in my opinion..
he knows every double team is coming to him and the scoring load will fall on his shoulders
Wow. You really believe that? Dude, it's simple...KP can't stand Phil. The guy comes off as a first rate asshole. Who the hell knows how Phil has "communicated" with the players or what's been said.
he has came off as a first rate assholr before and players love him..
he ripped kobe in his book and kobe begged lakers to hire him back..
why does kp get to just skip a meeting because he doesnt like phil? you think every single nba player likes upper management? yet all of them made it to their meeting..
every knock player made it to their meeting, do they not hate phil?
Eh... Odell is without question one of the 2 or 3 best players at his position in the sport. He's quite possibly 1 of the 10 best players in the sport regardless of position.
KP isn't even remotely close to that. If KP was on Odell's level, I would say fire anyone he doesn't like, Phil included. He's a good kid with a lot of potential. Meanwhile people are talking about him proving points and the Knicks have to prove stuff to him. Huh? He needs to get his game up before he starts worrying about other stuff.
Of course, it would be typical Knicks for them to be the first team to experience this.