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NFT: Knicks Chat: KP acknowledges being "annoyed" by Phil

DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:06 am
Quoted in the April issue of the Latvian sports magazine Sporta Avize, Porzingis was asked if he will sign a second contract with the Knicks. Porzingis’ four-year rookie deal has two years left and he said he hopes to finish his career with the Knicks — with a caveat.

“Absolutely, I want to stay here all my career,’’ Porzingis said, according to the English translation provided by the magazine. “But the thing I want most of all is winning. When the time comes, I will seriously start to think about it. Right now I just try to do my best.”

“This was a situation media did not hesitate to heat up more than it was in reality. I think there was some mistakes from Phil — things he maybe shouldn’t [have] said or written, things that made the situation worse or made him not look good. But at the same time — it’s that kind of business. I understand.’’


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Steve  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:07 am : link
Kerr's situation is very sad/scary. Sounds like a very real chance his coaching career could be cut short.
PG13  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:09 am : link
5 hours ago – via Sporting News
A SoCal native, he’s been talking about playing for his hometown team, the Lakers, for a long time. He’s never made his long-term intentions a secret within the Pacers’ locker room, according to former teammates. He wants to wear the purple and gold.
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DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:10 am : link
5 hours ago – via Chicago Tribune
Where Rose will be playing is another story. He’s an unrestricted free agent for the first time in his career after the Bulls traded him to the Knicks for Robin Lopez and Jerian Grant last June. The Knicks missed the playoffs and Rose averaged 18 points in 64 games. “I’m going into it with an open mind and will listen to everyone,” Rose said. “Last season sucked losing. But it was a great experience. I loved the guys that I played with and I loved the coaching staff. And who wouldn’t like playing in New York? It was great.”
Jeff  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:11 am : link
Teague has indicated he hopes to remain with the Pacers vs. test the FA market (not that people were clamoring for him).
What is wrong with Kerr?  
Chris684 : 4/24/2017 10:13 am : link
Is there a diagnosis?
Rose's  
Jon in NYC : 4/24/2017 10:13 am : link
comments about the coaching staff and NY are strange. He bailed on the team before a game, butted heads with Horny and seemed pretty displeased.
RE: What is wrong with Kerr?  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13439899 Chris684 said:
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Is there a diagnosis?


Complications from his back surgery involving spinal cord fluid leakage. He sounds like he even regrets having the surgery all together.
I get being annoyed with the losing and dysfunction  
nygiants16 : 4/24/2017 10:22 am : link
but this team is going to be built around you, you better have some thicker skin, because if you dont the media and new york is going to eat you up and apit you out...

i dont care how pissed you are, you dont slip a meeting with your boss..

RE: Rose's  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13439901 Jon in NYC said:
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comments about the coaching staff and NY are strange. He bailed on the team before a game, butted heads with Horny and seemed pretty displeased.


Gotta keep his options open. Can't trash the one location where someone (Phil) was pretty "praisy" given the season that transpired.
RE: Steve  
nygiants16 : 4/24/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13439887 DanMetroMan said:
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Kerr's situation is very sad/scary. Sounds like a very real chance his coaching career could be cut short.


wonder if he retired if phil gives him a call to come work in front office?

obviously his first choice would be helping gs in front office
Hornacek must be regretting that Golden State lead assistant gig.  
bceagle05 : 4/24/2017 10:24 am : link
Certainly hate that Kerr is going through this, but Hornacek could've been at the helm right now for a championship run.
I'll worry about KP leaving in 3 years  
Deej : 4/24/2017 10:25 am : link
It is very rare for a player to pass up the first re-up.
Lots can change  
Anakim : 4/24/2017 10:25 am : link
Phil probably won't be the President by the time Porzingis' contract is up
RE: I'll worry about KP leaving in 3 years  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13439921 Deej said:
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It is very rare for a player to pass up the first re-up.


I'm not too concerned either. If the Knicks aren't headed in the right direction in 3 years it's almost to the point he might as well leave, it means this is truly a cursed franchise anyway.
I'm also surprised by KP's actions  
Anakim : 4/24/2017 10:27 am : link
I know he's 21, but he's acting incredibly immature. We always praise him for his maturity but he's acted very petty the last few weeks.
I'm getting really  
Jon in NYC : 4/24/2017 10:28 am : link
optimistic about the chances of a Blake/Melo/3rd team deal.

The Clippers are going to get bounced, get desperate that Paul will leave, and want to appease him by getting his buddy Melo.

I could see OKC being a really good spot for Griffin. He goes back to his hometown, and all of a sudden a Westbrook-Oladipo-Griffin-Adams foursome is one of the best in the league.

What they have to trade is another issue, but I bet they could put a decent enough package together.
KP's  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:28 am : link
brother didn't really expand on it but mentioned the media was asking him questions that he didn't have answers for. I'm guessing that is mostly about the Melo situation. Maybe the triangle as well?
RE: I'm getting really  
Anakim : 4/24/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13439932 Jon in NYC said:
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optimistic about the chances of a Blake/Melo/3rd team deal.

The Clippers are going to get bounced, get desperate that Paul will leave, and want to appease him by getting his buddy Melo.

I could see OKC being a really good spot for Griffin. He goes back to his hometown, and all of a sudden a Westbrook-Oladipo-Griffin-Adams foursome is one of the best in the league.

What they have to trade is another issue, but I bet they could put a decent enough package together.



Welcome to New York, Austin Rivers
Immaturity by KP. That's on him.  
Keith : 4/24/2017 10:31 am : link
Rose has to make those comments about the Knicks because he wants that option to stay open to him. I'd consider bringing him back if the money is small and the years are few and he's willing to be the 6th man.

There  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:32 am : link
would be absolutely no upside for Rose to trash the Knicks in any way. Closes the door that he is welcomed back and makes potential employees think he may do the same to them. Not really sure why people expect these guys to ever be honest?
RE: KP's  
nygiants16 : 4/24/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13439933 DanMetroMan said:
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brother didn't really expand on it but mentioned the media was asking him questions that he didn't have answers for. I'm guessing that is mostly about the Melo situation. Maybe the triangle as well?


i think it is melo, because kp said he wanted to run the triangle from the beginning..

RE: I'm getting really  
Deej : 4/24/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13439932 Jon in NYC said:
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optimistic about the chances of a Blake/Melo/3rd team deal.

The Clippers are going to get bounced, get desperate that Paul will leave, and want to appease him by getting his buddy Melo.

I could see OKC being a really good spot for Griffin. He goes back to his hometown, and all of a sudden a Westbrook-Oladipo-Griffin-Adams foursome is one of the best in the league.

What they have to trade is another issue, but I bet they could put a decent enough package together.


I've been on the OKC three way result for a while. Another advantage to OKC is that it probably prevents them from giving Roberson 8 figures per season.

I'd like to get in on Sabonis and Abrines. Alternatively, it could be moved to a 4 team deal and Kanter could go elsewhere, with assets to NY. I think the D12 trade was a 4 teamer.
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 10:37 am : link
KP was open about not wanting Rambis to be the HC and didn't like how Rambis used him. I know Rambis gets maybe undue blame for a bad team but it really drives me nuts this guy is here. I'm not sure I recall a single player ever praising him. Phil just loves him.
RE: RE: I'm getting really  
Jon in NYC : 4/24/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13439946 Deej said:
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In comment 13439932 Jon in NYC said:


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optimistic about the chances of a Blake/Melo/3rd team deal.

The Clippers are going to get bounced, get desperate that Paul will leave, and want to appease him by getting his buddy Melo.

I could see OKC being a really good spot for Griffin. He goes back to his hometown, and all of a sudden a Westbrook-Oladipo-Griffin-Adams foursome is one of the best in the league.

What they have to trade is another issue, but I bet they could put a decent enough package together.



I've been on the OKC three way result for a while. Another advantage to OKC is that it probably prevents them from giving Roberson 8 figures per season.

I'd like to get in on Sabonis and Abrines. Alternatively, it could be moved to a 4 team deal and Kanter could go elsewhere, with assets to NY. I think the D12 trade was a 4 teamer.


Sabonis doesn't interest me much. Not quite sure what he does all that well. .399 from the field this year, bad defender, bad rebounder/shotblocker.
What about  
Jon in NYC : 4/24/2017 10:55 am : link
Griffin to Mia for Chris Bosh's husk, 14th pick and Winslow, which all goes to NYK and Melo to LAC
RE: What about  
Keith : 4/24/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13439980 Jon in NYC said:
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Griffin to Mia for Chris Bosh's husk, 14th pick and Winslow, which all goes to NYK and Melo to LAC


Where do I sign?
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 11:06 am : link
DOnt even like Winslow and realize the Knicks would be lucky to get him or the pick for Melo let alone both. I think many are going to be thoroughly underwhelmed if they are expecting a package like Bosh, 14 and Winslow.
RE: What about  
bceagle05 : 4/24/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13439980 Jon in NYC said:
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Griffin to Mia for Chris Bosh's husk, 14th pick and Winslow, which all goes to NYK and Melo to LAC


This might be my favorite of all the proposals. Draft a guy like OG with Miami's pick, Frank or Isaac with ours, and all of a sudden we'd have a lengthy defensive team.
RE: I  
Keith : 4/24/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13439993 DanMetroMan said:
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DOnt even like Winslow and realize the Knicks would be lucky to get him or the pick for Melo let alone both. I think many are going to be thoroughly underwhelmed if they are expecting a package like Bosh, 14 and Winslow.


While I don't believe Melo should have a lot of value, I don't know if I can agree with this yet. We won't know anything until we know how many teams are intersted. If Phil can drum up interest from multiple teams, the return will go up. Just get teams to bid against each other and we should get more than he's worth.
Miami  
Jon in NYC : 4/24/2017 11:15 am : link
can keep Winslow. I don't think much of him. I would do Melo for 14 and the cap relief.
RE: Apparently  
TyreeHelmet : 4/24/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13439952 DanMetroMan said:
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KP was open about not wanting Rambis to be the HC and didn't like how Rambis used him. I know Rambis gets maybe undue blame for a bad team but it really drives me nuts this guy is here. I'm not sure I recall a single player ever praising him. Phil just loves him.


It really is crazy that Rambis was forced on the current staff. The 2 best players clearly can't stand the guy, he's not a good coach, why keep him around? Oh because Phil loves him and wants one of his guys on staff. What a joke.
More KP  
TyreeHelmet : 4/24/2017 11:28 am : link
"Porzingis: Rose is very quiet, Melo is mellow, Noah was the vocal leader we needed. Unfortunately,he didn't play at the level he once played"

Its  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 11:33 am : link
Long been said but it's extremely unusual a team leader is ever going to be a guy who has no history of winning with his current teammates/team that no longer is a high level player. I do not doubt Noah while with the Bulls was a strong vocal leader but it's just very hard to be "that guy" aaa declining player who isn't playing a ton. Hopefully Noah will be healthier and play at a higher level next season
RE: Its  
TyreeHelmet : 4/24/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13440027 DanMetroMan said:
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Long been said but it's extremely unusual a team leader is ever going to be a guy who has no history of winning with his current teammates/team that no longer is a high level player. I do not doubt Noah while with the Bulls was a strong vocal leader but it's just very hard to be "that guy" aaa declining player who isn't playing a ton. Hopefully Noah will be healthier and play at a higher level next season


Solid point about winning with teammates. Having that history is key.

I was really alarmed with Noah's play last year. I think his game was so predicated on his athleticism and that's gone down. He was never a great shot blocker, but he could really move and switch well in his prime. I think his athleticism and defensive decline affected his confidence on offense as well. He really killed the offense when he was out there.

Send him overseas for some "treatment"! I'm sure Kobe or Richard Jefferson know a guy. Vince Carter too...
I don't agree.  
Keith : 4/24/2017 11:48 am : link
I thought that physically, he was moving around like he always has. The problem with Noah last year was circumstances, IMO. The team around him was so bad defensively. Rose was a turnstyle at the point. Melo would often give up position because he didn't care. KP was all over the place. Noah showed flashes of being that guy, but now we can add a few more injuries to the list. He's not going to get better at this point.
Noah started out terribly  
Deej : 4/24/2017 11:54 am : link
but after 6 or 8 weeks I thought he was really effective in limited minutes, before getting hurt again. Even healthy he didnt justify that contract, but when he was going well he was making a really positive impact.
RE: I don't agree.  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 11:56 am : link
In comment 13440050 Keith said:
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I thought that physically, he was moving around like he always has. The problem with Noah last year was circumstances, IMO. The team around him was so bad defensively. Rose was a turnstyle at the point. Melo would often give up position because he didn't care. KP was all over the place. Noah showed flashes of being that guy, but now we can add a few more injuries to the list. He's not going to get better at this point.


Noah did not play to his previous abilities. To argue otherwise is kind of silly. The guy won defensive player of the year. His ability to move his feet was ELITE in his prime for a guy his size. He would play up on guards and be able to stop them off the dribble. It's not only about Derrick Rose or Melo. His physical gifts did not show themselves. He would sag off players to "cheat" in ways he didn't do previously. This is from post 2015 when he was still with the Bulls

"And unfortunately, things don't get much better for Noah once we start looking at the defensive side of the ball. Individually, Noah's advanced metrics -- which, to be sure, are far from flawless -- indicate he's fallen off defensively this season. A season ago (remember, being Defensive Player of the Year and All-NBA first team?), he was worth a staggering 6.6 defensive win shares. This season he's only worth a pedestrian 2.9. He's posting a career-low block rate (2.9 percent) and a career-low in blocks per 100 possessions. Opponents are shooting 51.8 percent at the rim against Noah this season compared to a healthy 47.2 percent merely a year ago, and they're only shooting about a shot less per game on average."
RE: Noah started out terribly  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 11:57 am : link
In comment 13440061 Deej said:
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but after 6 or 8 weeks I thought he was really effective in limited minutes, before getting hurt again. Even healthy he didnt justify that contract, but when he was going well he was making a really positive impact.


Sure, when healthy he should absolutely help the Knicks defensively. But he's not the player he once was. His ability to track and stick with much smaller players while being a legit 5 was unusual.
Noah  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:01 pm : link
in his prime posted DPBM of 5.1 (led the league) and 5.5. He's the NBA's current career leader at 4.0. with the Knicks 2.8. For comparisons sake Draymond Green led the league this season (5.0). I'm not saying Noah is now a "bad" defender. He's simply no longer elite and there is no reason to believe coming off multiple injury plagued seasons and now 2 surgeries that he will at 32 suddenly be that again.
Noah  
TyreeHelmet : 4/24/2017 12:02 pm : link
He definitely improved as the season went along, but he couldn't have started any worse. He really struggled to defend the post. I remember the OKC game where he was being dominated by Adams and Kanter. Both of those guys are good players, but Noah couldn't even compete with them down low.

He was terrible finishing around the rim and wasn't even setting strong screens like he used to. I really don't think its a case of injuries preventing him from staying on the court. I think the injuries have destroyed his game, even when he is healthy and playing.
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:03 pm : link
says Willy is penciled in as the starting 5 next season so Noah's defense as part of the second unit will be important. Barring an unforeseen off-season defensive improvement there will likely be "Noah games" when we need him out there over Willy.
Yeah Im not saying he was DPOY Noah  
Deej : 4/24/2017 12:03 pm : link
just that he wasnt a disaster for a stretch. When I say he was healthy, it was a relative term.
RE: Yeah Im not saying he was DPOY Noah  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13440079 Deej said:
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just that he wasnt a disaster for a stretch. When I say he was healthy, it was a relative term.


I'm assuming we get more out of him next year. He was clearly never really healthy. I'm not expecting 82 games from him and the contract will always be bad but you would hope with so much time off + the surgery that he will be healthier (then again he barely played the previous season) and wasn't healthy. He should have "value" for a rebuilding team given his rep and given the fact our likely "future" at the 5 has a long way to go defensively. In theory he's a nice compliment to Willy.
.  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:09 pm : link
-Stefan Bondy âś” @SBondyNYDN
Multiple sources refute report that ANY Celtics coaches pushed to trade for Carmelo.

-Chad Ford thinks the Knicks would take Fox over Frenchy at 7
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:12 pm : link
One of many issues this season was Porzingis’ failure to get the ball late in close games. He has yet to hit a game-winning shot in his two seasons.

“It’s harder for my family,’’ Porzingis said, laughing. “When we play road games, my family comes together to watch it in my apartment, and after one such game, I needed a new TV set. Janis was way too upset at one point.’’

The Knicks are in the dark on why Porzingis went AWOL. Sources told The Post he isn’t happy the way the franchise is being run – with Jackson publicly trying to trade his mentor Carmelo Anthony and issuing mixed messages on the team’s offensive and defensive systems. Porzingis described the climate as “confusion’’ in March.

Porzingis, who was limited to 66 games in an injury-plagued sophomore season, was asked at the press conference if he sees himself with the Knicks after his rookie contract expires in 2019. The Knicks can extend a qualifying offer to Porzingis after Year 4, which would make him a restricted free agent and allow them to match any contract offer he receives.

“To be honest, I don’t think about that right now, I just try to do my best. I believe everything will resolve itself,” he said.
If the heat are in  
giantsfan44ab : 4/24/2017 12:13 pm : link
on Griffin I'd like to get josh richardson. Like him even more than Winslow TBH. Was injured much of the year and his numbers cratered but he can really shoot from distance.

it would have to be a sign and trade for Griffin right? He has a ETO, not quite sure why he'd opt in when he could get $200M on the open market.
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:15 pm : link
One of many issues this season was Porzingis’ failure to get the ball late in close games. He has yet to hit a game-winning shot in his two seasons.

“It’s harder for my family,’’ Porzingis said, laughing. “When we play road games, my family comes together to watch it in my apartment, and after one such game, I needed a new TV set. Janis was way too upset at one point.’’

The Knicks are in the dark on why Porzingis went AWOL. Sources told The Post he isn’t happy the way the franchise is being run – with Jackson publicly trying to trade his mentor Carmelo Anthony and issuing mixed messages on the team’s offensive and defensive systems. Porzingis described the climate as “confusion’’ in March.

Porzingis, who was limited to 66 games in an injury-plagued sophomore season, was asked at the press conference if he sees himself with the Knicks after his rookie contract expires in 2019. The Knicks can extend a qualifying offer to Porzingis after Year 4, which would make him a restricted free agent and allow them to match any contract offer he receives.

“To be honest, I don’t think about that right now, I just try to do my best. I believe everything will resolve itself,” he said.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2017 12:22 pm : link
look into Ian Clark at the right price. 49% from the field, 37% from 3, .099 WS/48. He just turned 26.
He was a little critical of he teammates as well  
steve in ky : 4/24/2017 3:15 pm : link
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The Latvian magazine asked Porzingis about the Knicks’ season-long defensive woes.

According to the translation, Porzingis said, “As a player who wants to be leader someday — when I saw things we need to change and be better at — I tried to speak up in the locker room. But there are many players used to playing this kind of basketball for more than ten years so you can’t change them. Coaches can try but it is what it is.


RE: I'm also surprised by KP's actions  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/24/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13439930 Anakim said:
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I know he's 21, but he's acting incredibly immature. We always praise him for his maturity but he's acted very petty the last few weeks.


Bingo.
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