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Jabril Peppers had diluted sample at combine

jeff57 : 4/24/2017 1:58 pm
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NFL notified teams that Michigans Jabril Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the combine, league sources tell ESPN.

Teams have known about this for awhile  
jlukes : 4/24/2017 2:02 pm : link
it is coming out now because a team that wants him has leaked it hoping that he drops to them
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jlukes : 4/24/2017 2:04 pm : link
According to a CAA spokesman, who works for agency that represents Jabril Peppers:

"Peppers went to the combine. He was sick after flying there from San Diego. He has a history of cramping. Peppers was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs. He had to go through that first day, come back on second day, and that was the fear. So Peppers was pounding water and under the weather. He never failed a drug test in his life, nor tested positive before for any substance."
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jeff57 : 4/24/2017 2:04 pm : link
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According to a CAA spokesman, who works for agency that represents Jabril Peppers:

"Peppers went to the combine. He was sick after flying there from San Diego. He has a history of cramping. Peppers was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs. He had to go through that first day, come back on second day, and that was the fear. So Peppers was pounding water and under the weather. He never failed a drug test in his life, nor tested positive before for any substance."

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BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/24/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13440238 jlukes said:
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According to a CAA spokesman, who works for agency that represents Jabril Peppers:

"Peppers went to the combine. He was sick after flying there from San Diego. He has a history of cramping. Peppers was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs. He had to go through that first day, come back on second day, and that was the fear. So Peppers was pounding water and under the weather. He never failed a drug test in his life, nor tested positive before for any substance."



Yeah yeah yeah. Excuses Excuses Excuses. Diluted tests are a positive for a reason.
does a dilute sample  
giants#1 : 4/24/2017 2:06 pm : link
mean the player starts his NFL career in the substance abuse program with a subsequent test failure being a 4 game suspension?
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est1986 : 4/24/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13440238 jlukes said:
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According to a CAA spokesman, who works for agency that represents Jabril Peppers:

"Peppers went to the combine. He was sick after flying there from San Diego. He has a history of cramping. Peppers was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs. He had to go through that first day, come back on second day, and that was the fear. So Peppers was pounding water and under the weather. He never failed a drug test in his life, nor tested positive before for any substance."


Does that explain a diluted test?
Thought he was going to be our pick  
AcesUp : 4/24/2017 2:07 pm : link
It will be interesting to see how this affects his value. With it being a one time incident and just a diluted sample, I don't think it'll hurt him too bad.
The only thing about this excessive intake of water  
GuzzaBlue : 4/24/2017 2:10 pm : link
is wouldn't these guys know by now that it will dilute their sample. Probably realize its better than testing positive.
Its kind of a Catch 22  
AcesUp : 4/24/2017 2:15 pm : link
You fly these kids in, deprive them of sleep and then have them go through a series of physical tests. Thats just a recipe for dehydration, the healthy thing for them to do is consume a lot of fluids. However you ask them not to because they have to conduct drug tests at that time? Why not conduct random tests in the months prior?
RE: Its kind of a Catch 22  
giants#1 : 4/24/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13440253 AcesUp said:
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You fly these kids in, deprive them of sleep and then have them go through a series of physical tests. Thats just a recipe for dehydration, the healthy thing for them to do is consume a lot of fluids. However you ask them not to because they have to conduct drug tests at that time? Why not conduct random tests in the months prior?


Doesn't the NCAA have some type of testing program too? I believe the NFL teams have access to those results.
RE: Its kind of a Catch 22  
njm : 4/24/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13440253 AcesUp said:
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You fly these kids in, deprive them of sleep and then have them go through a series of physical tests. Thats just a recipe for dehydration, the healthy thing for them to do is consume a lot of fluids. However you ask them not to because they have to conduct drug tests at that time? Why not conduct random tests in the months prior?


Why not fly them in a day or two earlier?
It's extremely easy to accidentally dilute your urine for a drug test  
DennyInDenville : 4/24/2017 2:22 pm : link
The creatinine levels in urine are between 20-300.. if you drink 4-5 bottles of water the hours leading upto the test the creatinine can EASILY be well below 20.
He's a guy that can't play his best position on our roster  
Torrag : 4/24/2017 2:23 pm : link
So he was always a long shot anyway. Plus he's a jerk with a diluted sample so a slim chance is now no chance.
RE: It's extremely easy to accidentally dilute your urine for a drug test  
Rflairr : 4/24/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13440260 DennyInDenville said:
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The creatinine levels in urine are between 20-300.. if you drink 4-5 bottles of water the hours leading upto the test the creatinine can EASILY be well below 20.


That may be true. But you know damn well thats not whats going on here
Jlukes, if Teams "know about this"  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2017 2:35 pm : link
then what is the point of "leaking" this information? I'm not doubting Teams know, I'm sure they all know. I guess I wonder why you think this was "leaked"?

His agent gets an "A" for effort in the story telling department.....
RE: does a dilute sample  
ron mexico : 4/24/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13440243 giants#1 said:
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mean the player starts his NFL career in the substance abuse program with a subsequent test failure being a 4 game suspension?


no it doesn't
I dont  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/24/2017 2:49 pm : link
know my ass from my elbow when it comes to procedure of the combine, but aren't the phyiscal's conducted two days before the combine drill day? From NFL.com it looks like its a 4 day event; day one you arrive and take an xray, day two is the medical exam, day 3 is psychological exam & interviews, day 4 is the combine drills. Why do you need to super-hydrate to prevent cramps prior the night before the medical physical when you wont be doing drills until three days later? Its not like your a camel and can store all the water, when your full you piss. You cant store that water for 3 days in anticipation of the drills. Story doesn't add up to me at least but what do I know. If it truly was to prevent cramps someone gave him really bad info to start before taking the pee test, when you can easily fully hydrate yourself in two days instead of 3.
Let's be realistic...  
Dunedin81 : 4/24/2017 2:58 pm : link
this kid has had his eye on this day for the last three (or more) years. The likelihood that he got sick and just maxed out on water, that there was no input from any of the people he or his representation are paying to help him maximize performance at this event, it just doesn't make any sense. If I was a GM I'd have a whole helluvalot more respect for a kid who issued a mea culpa than for one who tried to find a way out.
8-10 bottles  
lugnut : 4/24/2017 2:59 pm : link
of water before he went to bed. Guaranteeing that he'd get up 20 times in the night to pee? Is it POSSIBLE to drink that much at once?
Bill Polian  
Suburbanites : 4/24/2017 3:02 pm : link
Said on Mike and Mike this morning he's never seen a player who failed a combine drug test make it in the NFL. He walked it back a little and restated that he's almost never seen a situation like this where the player worked out. Look for Peppers and Foster to drop like Disney stock.
RE: He's a guy that can't play his best position on our roster  
Milton : 4/24/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13440262 Torrag said:
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So he was always a long shot anyway. Plus he's a jerk with a diluted sample so a slim chance is now no chance.
The problem isn't that the Giants won't draft him, it's that a team ahead of us would've drafted him, but for the diluted sample, so instead they draft the OL that the Giants coveted.
Unreal  
est1986 : 4/24/2017 3:11 pm : link
Mixon Cook Foster Peppers Brantley. Any other first rounders want to fuck it up? Seems like a new record every year.. None of this helps us at 23.
Interesting that in the explanation put forth...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/24/2017 3:18 pm : link
there was an absolute statement made about never having failed a test before, but no absolute statement about him ever using banned substances.

Put me in the group that finds this suspect. Shame on the agent if he is legitimately clean for two reasons. 1 - he should have stated that he had never used banned substances and 2 - he should have not drank the water (4-5 liters of water before bed because he was afraid of dehydration?) and instead received a clean test. If he was truly sick he could have easily skipped the workouts. What is more likely to drop a top-prospect - skipping the workouts due to illness (and later working out at the pro day) or over-hydrating and having a diluted sample?

Having said that, I honestly think some of these guys do drink a TON of water, but generally think it's so they can weigh more. Remember the player who wet himself while waiting on line to be weighed in?
RE: Bill Polian  
Dunedin81 : 4/24/2017 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13440322 Suburbanites said:
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Said on Mike and Mike this morning he's never seen a player who failed a combine drug test make it in the NFL. He walked it back a little and restated that he's almost never seen a situation like this where the player worked out. Look for Peppers and Foster to drop like Disney stock.


Really? Warren Sapp. Shane Ray. Even Laramy Tunsil looks like he's on his way. I have always viewed it as something of an IQ test, but that's just hyperbole on Polian's part.
If he was that dehydrated  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/24/2017 3:31 pm : link
he could have drank some Gatorade which is more effective then drinking just straight water. What a dumb lie.
RE: RE: Bill Polian  
Suburbanites : 4/24/2017 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13440357 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 13440322 Suburbanites said:


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Said on Mike and Mike this morning he's never seen a player who failed a combine drug test make it in the NFL. He walked it back a little and restated that he's almost never seen a situation like this where the player worked out. Look for Peppers and Foster to drop like Disney stock.



Really? Warren Sapp. Shane Ray. Even Laramy Tunsil looks like he's on his way. I have always viewed it as something of an IQ test, but that's just hyperbole on Polian's part.


Sapp and Tunsley did not fail combine drug tests. Sapp was a victim of a rumor which the NFL cautioned before the draft was not true, Tunsil dropped because someone leaked an unflattering photo the night before the draft. I'm not sure what Shane Ray's story is or whether he failed a combine drug test. Polian is a hall of fame GM with 33 years of executive advantage, I'm prone to treat his comments with due respect.
Sapp failed the combine drug test, reputedly for coke & MJ...  
Dunedin81 : 4/24/2017 3:38 pm : link
Tunsil didn't fail one, but that video put him in the Moss/Matthieu class of prospects with drug clouds (pardon the pun) hanging over them.
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RE: Sapp failed the combine drug test, reputedly for coke & MJ...  
Suburbanites : 4/24/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13440378 Dunedin81 said:
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Tunsil didn't fail one, but that video put him in the Moss/Matthieu class of prospects with drug clouds (pardon the pun) hanging over them. Link - ( New Window )


But I heard Polian specifically say this morning that he didn't fail the drug test that it was a rumor and that the NFL even came out and stated that the rumor was unsubstantiated. C'mon, someone else had to have heard this besides me, it was just this morning.
Justin Houston also failed his drug test  
David in LA : 4/24/2017 3:47 pm : link
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Mr. Bungle : 4/24/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13440322 Suburbanites said:
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Look for Peppers and Foster to drop like Disney stock.

Disney stock over which time period? The last 6 months it's gone from $93 to $113.
RE: Unreal  
Milton : 4/24/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13440334 est1986 said:
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Mixon Cook Foster Peppers Brantley. Any other first rounders want to fuck it up? Seems like a new record every year.. None of this helps us at 23.
And you left out Sidney Jones (albeit through no fault of his own).
RE: He's a guy that can't play his best position on our roster  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/24/2017 3:54 pm : link
Torrag said:
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So he was always a long shot anyway.
Question from a non-CFB watcher: Can he not play his best position because we already have a dynamic young strong safety, or because his best position (some kind of LB/S hybrid) doesn't exist in Spagnuolo's defense? Some posters seem to think Peppers could eventually bulk up and replace Casillas (who wasn't that much bigger coming out of Wisconsin), but that might be an ambitious projection for a player who weighs well under 220 and needs to stand on tip-toe to scrape 6 feet.

There's probably a sentimental attraction to Peppers: Local kid from the other side of the Passaic River, brutal background, state championships at two storied high schools just up Route 17 from the Meadowlands. Who knows - maybe he's better off elsewhere.
RE: Justin Houston also failed his drug test  
Suburbanites : 4/24/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13440392 David in LA said:
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During the combine?
RE: RE: Justin Houston also failed his drug test  
Dunedin81 : 4/24/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13440407 Suburbanites said:
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During the combine?


Supposedly.
Yes, he failed the combine drug test  
David in LA : 4/24/2017 3:58 pm : link
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RE: RE: He's a guy that can't play his best position on our roster  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/24/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13440401 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Torrag said:

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So he was always a long shot anyway.

Question from a non-CFB watcher: Can he not play his best position because we already have a dynamic young strong safety, or because his best position (some kind of LB/S hybrid) doesn't exist in Spagnuolo's defense? Some posters seem to think Peppers could eventually bulk up and replace Casillas (who wasn't that much bigger coming out of Wisconsin), but that might be an ambitious projection for a player who weighs well under 220 and needs to stand on tip-toe to scrape 6 feet.

There's probably a sentimental attraction to Peppers: Local kid from the other side of the Passaic River, brutal background, state championships at two storied high schools just up Route 17 from the Meadowlands. Who knows - maybe he's better off elsewhere.


He would be best suited for Collin's position.
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Suburbanites : 4/24/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13440396 Mr. Bungle said:
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Look for Peppers and Foster to drop like Disney stock.


Disney stock over which time period? The last 6 months it's gone from $93 to $113.


You're are correct sir, I didn't realize how well Disney has rebounded, I just assumed anything associated with ESPN would still be in the tank. Let's go with Sears or Tenant Healthcare. Does that work for you?
Stay away from local kids with a "not clean" background  
Ivan15 : 4/24/2017 4:58 pm : link
They seem to show up with "their boys" in tow or hanging on.
He's not exactly Will Hill.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/24/2017 5:45 pm : link
Nor is he his incarcerated father or his murdered half-brother. Far from it. The kid has overcome incredible adversity, and as far as I know he was never in any trouble at Bosco or Paramus Catholic.

I doubt Peppers will be a Giant, but I'll be rooting for him wherever he ends up (outside the NFC East, I hope).
RE: Let's be realistic...  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2017 5:51 pm : link
In comment 13440317 Dunedin81 said:
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this kid has had his eye on this day for the last three (or more) years. The likelihood that he got sick and just maxed out on water, that there was no input from any of the people he or his representation are paying to help him maximize performance at this event, it just doesn't make any sense. If I was a GM I'd have a whole helluvalot more respect for a kid who issued a mea culpa than for one who tried to find a way out.


Not only that but his management had him run w the LBs. Tha was a very calculated move. So hey didn't know his travel schedule. They were pumping up his combine results and pimping him as a rare player and athlete. No word of his being sick.

W this years defensive back crops speed they had him run w players they knew he'd seem much faster than. He had his whole combine routine worked out. Dehydrated my ass. People who believe this shit need their picture next to the word gullible in Websters
RE: RE: Bill Polian  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2017 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13440357 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 13440322 Suburbanites said:


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Said on Mike and Mike this morning he's never seen a player who failed a combine drug test make it in the NFL. He walked it back a little and restated that he's almost never seen a situation like this where the player worked out. Look for Peppers and Foster to drop like Disney stock.



Really? Warren Sapp. Shane Ray. Even Laramy Tunsil looks like he's on his way. I have always viewed it as something of an IQ test, but that's just hyperbole on Polian's part.


Dan Marino was a huge pot head. Why he fell a bit. He didn't fail a test but seriously? Was there a drug LT wouldn't have tested positively for?
Just to be clear...  
Dunedin81 : 4/24/2017 10:28 pm : link
I don't dislike the kid. Great story and I think he will find a way to impact a defense he joins. He isn't the best value for ours because his obvious position (even if he could play some LB and maybe even match up with a slot WR) is a position at which we have an All Pro but he's not Mixon or Cook, I'd love to see him in blue. I just think he could have handled this better.
RE: does a dilute sample  
glowrider : 4/25/2017 6:55 am : link
In comment 13440243 giants#1 said:
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mean the player starts his NFL career in the substance abuse program with a subsequent test failure being a 4 game suspension?


According to the Daily News, he goes right into the program.

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The diluted urine counts as a positive and puts him in the NFL drug program, where he is one step closer to a suspension.

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failing for diluted sample is BS  
BlackburnBalledOut : 4/25/2017 9:49 am : link
it was a random test, the kid probably drank a ton of water, it happens. Diluted means the sample had a high water content. idk why being hydrated is an issue.

and how can the nfl put him in the drug program before he is on a roster? hes not even in the league. does entering the draft automatically make you a part of the league? Does he receive league benefits pre-draft? i doubt it, so i see no reason to enter the kid in a drug program especially for having watered down pee. Hey kid, you need more salt in your diet, you drink too much water!!

this league has become a joke. goodell needs to go.

FWIW  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/25/2017 1:47 pm : link
Here is what Joe Thomas, a superstar and model player, has to say about the issue:

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Joe Thomas‏Verified account @joethomas73

Tester should be able to see it's dilute right when he receives sample and can then request more samples until it's not dilute #flawedsystem



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Joe Thomas‏Verified account @joethomas73 23h23 hours ago
Replying to @joethomas73

No player should ever have a "failed test" for a dilute sample. Especially at the combine where players frequently chug water to gain weight



In the comments to his tweet, a number of players agree with him,

and baseball writer Jessica Kleinschmidt said the following:

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Jessica Kleinschmidt‏Verified account @KleinschmidtJD 23h23 hours ago
Replying to @joethomas73

baseball player just told me before sample gets taken, it gets tested to see if it's too diluted-if it is, he does it again


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