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MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 2:46 pm
4 long days to discuss the number 5 and 6 overall seeds left in the tournament squaring off over the next 18 days. Post all related info here. As well as any jokes you can think of about Andy in Halifax. Fuck the enemy.

Personally, I went 3-5 in the first round so i will hold off on making winner projections going forward. This one should go 6+.

As far as this series' storylines, not exactly rivals but you knew somehow/someway the Rangers big trade this past offseason would end up with that player coming back to face us in a playoff round. It's been the story of the Torts/AV tenure:

Brassard, Gaborik, Stralman, Boyle, Callahan, Hagelin, Prust... off the top of my head

Everyone will talk about Mika vs Brassard in this series and i get why. To me the more relevant analysis is Stepan vs Brassard. One of them was getting traded given cap issues, and I'm certain the Rangers shopped both (DS supposedly wanted to play for Minnesota).

But i guess Gorton got the return he liked better on Brassard.... similar players -- Stepan needs to have a big series and outperform Brass-balls for us to be successful.

Finally, Geeey vs Elaine. How did Geeey get that massive scar on his face?
OK so Ottawa is the 7 seed left in the tournament  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 2:48 pm : link
not the 6th. STL would host them in an (unlikely) SCF, by a point.
Fuckin Andy  
redbeard : 4/24/2017 2:50 pm : link
He so fucking friendly and well mannered...the fuck is his problem anyway?
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arcarsenal : 4/24/2017 2:50 pm : link
I also did terribly on my first round predictions. The only teams I was correct about were WSH, EDM, ANA. Whiffed on every other series, including ours.

Won't get as much press as Brassard for obvious reasons, but Stalberg is also a Senator and fits the ex-Ranger bill. Though he was only here for a year.

Not NYR related, but Joe Thornton was supposedly playing with a torn ACL and MCL. Tough dude.
Rangers can play the disrespect card  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 2:52 pm : link
don't underestimate the disrespect card.



Outside of WAS/PIT not a team I believe in left in the tourney, which means after WAS and PIT beat up on each other, it's anyone's cup.

Darkhorse for me is NAS. I don't have teams I root for other than my team, but if I did I'd root for them because of Lavy. His niece was on my daughters hockey team. Good family.

My hope (not that anyone asked) OT's and game 7's. First round was great for OT's, but no game 7's.
Right - forgot about Stalberg  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 2:53 pm : link
IIRC he was a pain in the ass for Carolina against us earlier this season. I want to say he scored 3 times on Hank?

They've also got that shitstain Burrows on their roster now too.
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redbeard : 4/24/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13440307 arcarsenal said:
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I also did terribly on my first round predictions. The only teams I was correct about were WSH, EDM, ANA. Whiffed on every other series, including ours.

Won't get as much press as Brassard for obvious reasons, but Stalberg is also a Senator and fits the ex-Ranger bill. Though he was only here for a year.

Not NYR related, but Joe Thornton was supposedly playing with a torn ACL and MCL. Tough dude.


You picked against the family?

You Fredo-acting motherfucker
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arcarsenal : 4/24/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13440312 redbeard said:
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In comment 13440307 arcarsenal said:


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I also did terribly on my first round predictions. The only teams I was correct about were WSH, EDM, ANA. Whiffed on every other series, including ours.

Won't get as much press as Brassard for obvious reasons, but Stalberg is also a Senator and fits the ex-Ranger bill. Though he was only here for a year.

Not NYR related, but Joe Thornton was supposedly playing with a torn ACL and MCL. Tough dude.



You picked against the family?

You Fredo-acting motherfucker


I did. I really did not like much of anything I saw from this team leading up to the playoffs and the whole "flipping the switch" business is risky. I thought we'd give the Habs a tough series but honestly did not expect to advance.

A lot has changed since. Henrik has shown that he can, indeed, flip the switch. This team is playing really well right now. Either I over-estimated MTL or just underestimated NYR.

In any event, I am thrilled. The Senators will be another tough matchup. I think everyone here knows better than to expect anything close to an "easy" series when it comes to NYR (when was the last one... the Thrashers like 10 years ago?) but I do think we can win this series and play in our 3rd ECF in 4 years.

Pumped.
From an odds standpoint  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 3:04 pm : link
this should highlight a little of the flaws in the playoff system.

As a wild card team the Rangers had the same odds as their 1st round opponent, and better odds than their 2nd round opponent to win the cup. Now cup odds aren't necessarily a predictor of how good or bad a team is, but it's a data point.

As a Rangers fan you couldn't be happier than the way this worked out (other than playing the Bruins which some of you didn't want for some reason, but they're worse than Ottawa - especially on the blue line), but it highlights flaws in the playoff structure.
Should be a fun series!  
Andy in Halifax : 4/24/2017 3:07 pm : link
I love the way the Rangers create offense from passing across the ice in the O-zone and passing from shooting positions. It's innovative and brilliant. Ottawa collapses and takes away passing lanes though so not an entirely bad match-up for Ottawa but a very daunting task nonetheless.

Ottawa had a miserable time defending leads against Boston (blew leads in game 1, 3, 5 and 6 of that (happened to regain lead in 3 and 6 to win). That happened because our fore-check disappeared. We are so much more effective with an active fore-check, even with the third guy high all the time.

On that topic... Expect to see three guys back, pretty much every time you go up the ice. It's how we play and it's been very effective but we also have skill and can score when needed. Karlsson is amazing. The rest of the D is meh.

Our PP and PK suck, so that's a big issue for Ottawa.

Good luck!
RE: From an odds standpoint  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13440325 pjcas18 said:
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this should highlight a little of the flaws in the playoff system.

As a wild card team the Rangers had the same odds as their 1st round opponent, and better odds than their 2nd round opponent to win the cup. Now cup odds aren't necessarily a predictor of how good or bad a team is, but it's a data point.

As a Rangers fan you couldn't be happier than the way this worked out (other than playing the Bruins which some of you didn't want for some reason, but they're worse than Ottawa - especially on the blue line), but it highlights flaws in the playoff structure.



Well yeah, but we've known that for years. Last year was no different and was why we were so pissed we beat Detroit in meaningless game 82. We played the eventual white hot Cup champs in round 1, while NYI nearly got the ECF going through the Sunrise state.

The issue is if they are going to stick to this "division rivalry" format they need to relax the terms. If the top 2 teams are in the same division, than (Pittsburgh) should assume top seed in the cross-over. If after the first round, 3 "Metro" teams are still alive they should have made it so the Caps faced "the worst Metro team left in the playoffs" - e.g., Rangers not Penguins. Etc.

The issue on "rather facing" Ottawa vs Boston is that the Bruins were critically injured in round 1, but it was unclear if they'd get a lot of those reinforcements back for round 2. At full strength the Bruins are a more well rounded, puck possession-type team, the type that can give our low Corsi squad fits, than Ottawa.

But its the fuckin' Elite 8 -- all these teams are good and we;re all going to be chewing down our fingernails over 6 or 7 games no matter who the opponent is.
I hope we beat them so bad  
Deej : 4/24/2017 3:15 pm : link


That this guy wishes he never got those balloons in the first place.
Oh yeah, and certainly if WC-1 is a "crossover"  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 3:17 pm : link
and is better than that divisions #3, then the wild card team should be the 3 seed in said division (so it still plays on the road - you cant justify a wild card getting home ice), not the 4.

Why were the Canadiens punished vis-a-vis Ottawa for winning its division? Makes no sense.

finally, i think to avoid "tanking" for wild card slots like we saw NYR do vs CBJ... i'd like to see one game wild card play-in games starting next season on monday and tuesday nights leading into the playoffs.

We'd have faced Tampa the Garden with NYI going to Toronto as lead in to the postseason. You cant beat the excitement of a one game playoff.
RE: Oh yeah, and certainly if WC-1 is a  
YAJ2112 : 4/24/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13440343 MetsAreBack said:
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and is better than that divisions #3, then the wild card team should be the 3 seed in said division (so it still plays on the road - you cant justify a wild card getting home ice), not the 4.

Why were the Canadiens punished vis-a-vis Ottawa for winning its division? Makes no sense.

finally, i think to avoid "tanking" for wild card slots like we saw NYR do vs CBJ... i'd like to see one game wild card play-in games starting next season on monday and tuesday nights leading into the playoffs.

We'd have faced Tampa the Garden with NYI going to Toronto as lead in to the postseason. You cant beat the excitement of a one game playoff.


so you want to take a flawed system and make it even worse?
I would be very opposed to a wildcard play in  
Deej : 4/24/2017 3:22 pm : link
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RE: I would be very opposed to a wildcard play in  
arcarsenal : 4/24/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13440354 Deej said:
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Same here.

I think the 7 game series is what makes playoff hockey so appealing - the momentum swings, the adjustments made in-series, the distaste that the teams increasingly harbor for one another as the series' go on, etc.

A one game play-in would certainly be tense but it's shitty when your entire season goes down the tubes because of one game where maybe you got a bad bounce or bad/pivotal call made by the officials.

I thought the standard 1-8 seeding was perfectly fine, to be honest, and I'd prefer they went back to it.
RE: I would be very opposed to a wildcard play in  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13440354 Deej said:
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Me too, hockey is too random in one game IMO (I guess like most sports), but seemingly more so in hockey. I think the better team usually wins a best out of 7 series.

Agree about 7 games > 1 game  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 3:45 pm : link
no one said the Capitals would be subject. I just think you want to avoid wild card teams tanking to finish WC-1 instead of 3rd in division.

At the very least 8 should play 9. Often times 2 points separate the teams over 82 games, and they didnt play each other the past month of the season so the final weekend becomes anti-climactic.

Wild cards play-ins have worked well in baseball and football.

And YAJ, maybe i misinterpreted your comment earlier but how would having the Rangers (102) points face Ottawa in round one while the Canadiens, who won the division, faced Boston (95 points)... make things worse?

Or was your point that the Capitals ... if the league just has to have these division rivalries in round 1 and 2... facing the worst team left in its division instead of necessarily the 2/3 in its bracket (so not only Rangers this year, but Islanders last year) -- how is that worse than having the damn #1 and #2 OVERALL teams in the league facing off in a playoff quarterfinals??

RE: Agree about 7 games > 1 game  
YAJ2112 : 4/24/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13440390 MetsAreBack said:
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no one said the Capitals would be subject. I just think you want to avoid wild card teams tanking to finish WC-1 instead of 3rd in division.

At the very least 8 should play 9. Often times 2 points separate the teams over 82 games, and they didnt play each other the past month of the season so the final weekend becomes anti-climactic.

Wild cards play-ins have worked well in baseball and football.

And YAJ, maybe i misinterpreted your comment earlier but how would having the Rangers (102) points face Ottawa in round one while the Canadiens, who won the division, faced Boston (95 points)... make things worse?

Or was your point that the Capitals ... if the league just has to have these division rivalries in round 1 and 2... facing the worst team left in its division instead of necessarily the 2/3 in its bracket (so not only Rangers this year, but Islanders last year) -- how is that worse than having the damn #1 and #2 OVERALL teams in the league facing off in a playoff quarterfinals??


I was referring to you having this scenario

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We'd have faced Tampa the Garden with NYI going to Toronto as lead in to the postseason.
It's a solution in search of a problem  
Deej : 4/24/2017 4:10 pm : link
what about a year when the 8-9 split is a 6 or 7 point standings difference? Then you have the clearly superior RS team playing a 60-40 or 55-45 game just to get to the real series.

And to address the WC-1 tank, which Im not sure actually happens/ed, you'd have to open it up to 7 vs 10. Except in that world 7 isnt really 7 -- the Rangers were actually the 5th best team in the conference. Under that plan, a 102 point Rangers team would have to play a single-elimination game against the 94 point Lightening? Rangers get knocked out on a garbage game like that, and miss the playoffs, if a better outcome because it diminishes they hypothetical incentive to tank? Yuck.
If 10 can play in...  
Deej : 4/24/2017 4:11 pm : link
you'd have a 39 win this season possibly getting a best of seven series. Might as well cancel the regular season.
Thornton had a torn ACL and MCL apparently  
Andy in Halifax : 4/24/2017 4:19 pm : link
That's pretty insane.
Just an FYI because the topic came up  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 4:35 pm : link
Bergevin is adamant he will not trade Price for anyone and an extension will get done.

Right decision  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 4:36 pm : link

You can win a championship with Carey Price.
Price is a superstar in his prime  
Deej : 4/24/2017 4:50 pm : link
It's bonkers to move on from him. Guys like Price, be they G, D, or F, can steal you multiple games. They can make the whole series about them. You can get lesser talents elsewhere, but the stars you have to pay and keep. If he were older you could talk windows, but I think now the choice is clear.
But will Price want an extension there?  
Kyle in NY : 4/24/2017 4:54 pm : link
Don't see why he wouldn't at least want to test the market
I didn't and don't want to trade Price  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 5:04 pm : link
but I WOULD trade him in the right deal, so to move him the return would need to be massive.

I'm in the "no one is untouchable" camp.

I'm thinking Trouba and Nikolaj Ehlers, something like that would be a starting position.

that's a top 4 D and a top 6 F both superstars or close and both under 23. Trouba is 22, Ehlers is 20. Not saying WPG would do that, but they are an up and coming team and a goalie like Price in his prime gets them in the playoffs and they keep their young core talent with Laine, and Scheiffle.

Ben Bishop is a free agent and not too long ago he was a goalie you could win a cup with and MTL could sign him for less than Price would need or roll with Lindgren and el cubano.

Just saying nothing is definite, and I'd listen on anyone.
RE: But will Price want an extension there?  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13440493 Kyle in NY said:
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Don't see why he wouldn't at least want to test the market


If MTL wants to sign him they will. I doubt he tests the market if he gets a good offer. He loves playing in MTL. As do almost all the players who play there.

In other news Radulov (who is a UFA) is trying to entice the Canadiens to re-sign him and bring in Kovalchuck who apparently wants to come back to the NHL.
a comment on this series...  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 5:16 pm : link
I think Andy is under-selling the Senators defense, especially given the Rangers D.

Sure Karlsson is one of the 10 best players in the league but their other D are not all Jags IMO even if they're noit flashy. I don't watch them as much as Andy, but I watched all of their Canadiens games and most of the Bruins games.

Ceci is not going to light up the score sheet but he's solid in both ends.

Phaneuf is not the Phaneuf of 5 years ago, and he may be the villain of the series for Rangers fans, I can see the complaints already, and he's got a good shot still and is still a tough defender

Methot is a lot like Ceci, they're solid, responsible defenseman

their top 4 remind me of the Penguins last year, with the Penguins letang being nowhere near as good as Karlsson.

And you should hope Borowiecki doesn't play, that dude is like the Tanner Glass of the Senators, he hits everything that moves.

Just my observations...
One other correction:  
Anakim : 4/24/2017 5:34 pm : link
It's not that Stepan wanted to play for the Wild. It's that the Wild were interested in bringing Stepan home.


FWIW, I think they will trade Stepan in the offseason, but that's for another day.


Erik Karlsson is the only guy on D worth a shit but he's playing 30 minutes on average a night injured. Rangers could exploit him and the rwst of that D.

#SloppySeconds #ImissTeddyRoosevelt
If Borowicki is like Tanner Glass, don't we want him to play?  
Anakim : 4/24/2017 5:35 pm : link
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If Karlsson is included  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 5:49 pm : link
and I had to pick one of these two teams D groups I'd take the Senators and it's not close.

Staal is the worst top 6 D on either team and Karlsson is by far the best - no idea why playing 30 minutes a night makes him worse - it's because he's so good that he plays that much.

Staal was brutal in the Canadiens series. Coughed the puck up a ton and the Senators forecheck similar to the Canadiens. He's the D I'd target.

McDonagh did well shutting down Pacioretty, AV deserves a ton of credit for keeping them matched up (and Hank for making some saves on Paciorretty) but he was practically invisible offensively and if he's your best D, the rest are lesser. I like Skjei right now too, but McDonagh and Skjei <> Karlsson and anyone.

Girardi probably played third best after Skjei, but the best thing he did for the Rangers was concuss Shaw.

I don't think anyone is going to say many Rangers D are worth a shit either.

RE: If Borowicki is like Tanner Glass, don't we want him to play?  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2017 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13440539 Anakim said:
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I was joking. He's not a very good defenseman, but he is a headhunter. And he hits like a ton of bricks.

Andy, was he a healthy scratch? I didn't notice him after the first game.
Boro is... not good.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/24/2017 6:00 pm : link
Huge hitter, great leader, tough in corners but can't move the puck and has basically no ability in the offensive zone.

He sprained his ankle in game 1 or 2 and missed the rest of the series. Harpur came in and quickly became one of our most reliable defenders. Looked better than Ceci and Wideman for sure. Not sure Boro gets back in the lineup unless Wideman comes out. But Wideman is on PP2, so that would be surprising.
RE: One other correction:  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2017 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13440537 Anakim said:
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It's not that Stepan wanted to play for the Wild. It's that the Wild were interested in bringing Stepan home.


FWIW, I think they will trade Stepan in the offseason, but that's for another day.


Erik Karlsson is the only guy on D worth a shit but he's playing 30 minutes on average a night injured. Rangers could exploit him and the rwst of that D.

#SloppySeconds #ImissTeddyRoosevelt



No I heard Stepan was quite open (at the request of his wife supposedly) to go home. I'm guessing they couldn't agree on terms with the wild and then Minnesota ended up signing staal.

I like him but yeah would not be surprised to see him traded this offseason. His NMC kicks in after this summer so its now or never
RE: RE: One other correction:  
Anakim : 4/24/2017 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13440602 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13440537 Anakim said:


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It's not that Stepan wanted to play for the Wild. It's that the Wild were interested in bringing Stepan home.


FWIW, I think they will trade Stepan in the offseason, but that's for another day.


Erik Karlsson is the only guy on D worth a shit but he's playing 30 minutes on average a night injured. Rangers could exploit him and the rwst of that D.

#SloppySeconds #ImissTeddyRoosevelt




No I heard Stepan was quite open (at the request of his wife supposedly) to go home. I'm guessing they couldn't agree on terms with the wild and then Minnesota ended up signing staal.

I like him but yeah would not be surprised to see him traded this offseason. His NMC kicks in after this summer so its now or never



5/26/16 | 9:54AM: Larry Brooks reports that the Minnesota Wild are believed to have "serious interest" in Rangers center Derek Stepan. (NY Post)

The Wild have been searching for a center and were rumored to be involved with Nashville in talks for Ryan Johansen before he was traded to Columbus. (Star Tribune)

It's believed that the Wild offered defenseman Jonas Brodin and a forward to try and get Johansen. (Reddit)

Brodin, who is a left shot, has played the right side for much of his career with Minnesota. (Star Tribune)

Stepan has five more years left on his contract at $6.5 million per year and a no-trade clause starting in 2017-18,
I will never forgive Phaneuf for that hit on Sauer  
Jay in Toronto : 4/24/2017 7:26 pm : link
and it was charging -- something that hardly gets called any more.
Rangers in 7  
Vanzetti : 4/24/2017 7:36 pm : link
This will a tough series and at some point it will look like the Rangers are doomed. Ottawa is just always a pain in the ass for thE rangers.

I would not be shocked if Rangers lose. But I'd make the Rangers at least 3:2 favorites.
Seed the top eight in each conference based on points/ROW  
NYerInMA : 4/24/2017 7:55 pm : link
Then re-seed each round. Problem solved.
Stepan  
SethFromAstoria : 4/25/2017 6:35 am : link
takes a lot of heat. thats fine. I think Stepan for Mika would have made me nauseous. The trade they made was a complete win in my opinion. I liked Brass, but we know he is not incredibly consistent. The player they got back plus a pick is as ideal as I could have asked for. Stepan has some stretches of scoring issues but I cant understand how hes not well liked by all. Since he's gotten here and his role expanded they have just won consistently. He plays first line minutes and both ends. Solid and underrated passer and playmaker. Never takes a game off. i actually think he should be captain. He's a louder voice. McD more an example on the ice.

Nice article by Brooks about the most beloved Ranger.

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Girardi is the second most senior Ranger to Lundqvist after joining the club during the 2006-07 All-Star break. Wearing No. 46, he was paired with Fedor Tyutin. A couple of years later as the now familiar No. 5, he joined Marc Staal on the club’s top pair. When Staal missed the first half of the 2011-12 season while suffering post-concussion symptoms, Girardi teamed with Ryan McDonagh, with whom he still skates on the top unit.

He is ninth in franchise history with 788 games played, fifth among defensemen behind Harry Howell, Brian Leetch, Ron Greschner and Jim Neilson. He leads all Ranger skaters in playoff games played with 116 and counting. He was a charter member of the Black-and-Blueshirts, consistently among the club and league leaders in blocked shots and hits.

Playing 759 games of a possible 764 (playoffs included)
why was there concern  
SethFromAstoria : 4/25/2017 6:37 am : link
coming into the playoffs? This was actually the first year where we had time to rest full lines at a time and the goalie.
Because they played like absolute  
bigbluehoya : 4/25/2017 7:45 am : link
Shit for the final third of the season? Even if they didn't need the points and even if many (myself especially) insisted that WC1 was the only viable road, the way they played on to end the season didn't instill any confidence.

The ability to flip the switch and all of the sudden play back at the top of their game up and down the lineup was not a given.
I did like saying Brass-balls  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 8:49 am : link


Offensively the two players put up similar numbers most years. When they were here we all called them either both 1(b) or solid 2nd line centers. They were interchangeable.

I suppose Stepan at least kills penalties. Maybe plays better defense, i'm not certain as I havent studied Brassard in a while.

We all liked the return we got for Brassard - which by the way hopefully since Mika missed so much time this year and was ineffective for much of the 2nd half, he wont command huge money as RFA this offseason.
Well... still.... Fuck him now, he's the enemy next two weeks  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 8:51 am : link
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Well... still.... Fuck him now, he's the enemy next two weeks  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 8:51 am : link
Congrats again to all Ranger fans  
5BowlsSoon : 4/25/2017 8:59 am : link
I didn't watch any of the games, but I would be interested to know- did the Rangers outplay the Habs in all of their 4 wins, or was it mostly HL's great goaltending that stole the games, or both. Thanks.

I know, probably a lame question, but I was just wondering. I was only interested in the Caps-Leafs series and now I couldn't care less who wins the Cup.
Game by game  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 9:11 am : link
1. Dead heat - Rangers won on a Tanner Glass freak play

2. Montreal dominated play

3. Montreal dominated play

4. Rangers dominated play

5. Dead heat - Lundqvist stopped a breakaway with 5 minutes to go in a 2-2 game. That was the series. Not us moving to 4 scoring lines. However, once Lundqvist did save the game over the first two periods and then that breakaway -we wore them down in the OT by having those 4 lines. THe better team in OT won.

6. Rangers slightly carried play. Lundqvist did toe tap a tieing goal with about 1 minute left to keep game going to OT, but the Rangers missed 2-3 great opportunities themselves in the final 10 minutes.
But i thought overall was a really even series  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 9:24 am : link
we got some breaks.

I think one team had more than a 1 goal lead for 19 cumulative minutes over the entire series. The only 3 goal lead, Montreal had for about 2 minutes in game 3.

Rangers led by more than 1 goal for a combined 1 minute in the entire series (both times, due to empty net goals)

Rangers were better at protecting leads (game 2 notwithstanding) - we held a one goal lead for 140 minutes, Montreal for just 87 minutes.

Most notably, MTL took a 1 goal lead in the series 6 different times - this will make PJ throw up - of those 6 leads, they scored the following goal just once (game 3).
I actually agree with Seth  
Kyle in NY : 4/25/2017 11:39 am : link
regarding Stepan. Remarkably consistent player, can count on 50+ points every season and plays all the hard minutes in his own zone. Will never be among the top centers in the league but is absolutely in the top 25. We could do a whole lot worse. I hope he's not going anywhere

4 or 5 years younger than Brassard too. They made the right call with that trade. Brass really didn't have that great a season this year but has predictably raised his game in the playoffs.
This will get Seth going...  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 12:00 pm : link
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Dan Girardi isn't dwelling on the possibility of a buyout as he puts his energy into trying to push the Rangers to a championship.

Girardi has seen his role with the Rangers diminish over the past couple seasons, but he was strong in the first round series against Montreal. "I’m not worried about what might happen later or what happened before. I’m only thinking about right now," Girardi said. "I’m just playing every game as hard as I can. I’m not doing any speculating about the future. I’m playing to help the team win. I’m not playing for next year. I’m playing to win the Cup." The Rangers next test will be facing the Ottawa Senators in the second round. That series starts on Thursday.
Source: NY Post Apr 25


Slow news day I guess. How is this even a discussion? He's owed just $10 million over the final 3 years of his deal and is playing top line D-minutes for a team in the Elite 8 of the postseason. Even if he didnt play as fantastic as he did against Montreal and should against Ottawa (Pitt/Wash is another story).... for the life of me i dont understand how someone playing 25-30 minutes/night for us wouldnt get even a 3rd line job on a shitty team elsewhere?

Even if we had to eat some salary and some salary cap - 3 years of dead weight would be better than the 6 years we'd eat with a buy-out. Far inferior players with worse contracts have been dealt. There's always a small market team out there interested at the right price.
RE: I will never forgive Phaneuf for that hit on Sauer  
schabadoo : 4/25/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13440617 Jay in Toronto said:
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and it was charging -- something that hardly gets called any more.


Who knows what would've been except for that chinstrap.
Predictions for this round  
Giants in 07 : 4/25/2017 12:06 pm : link
Rangers in 5
Capitals in 7
Oilers in 7
Blues in 7

Hopefully this round makes up for the lack of Game 7's in the first round, except for the Rangers series.

Really hope Pens/Caps goes 7 and they beat the shit out of each other. I feel like the Letang absence will be noticeable going forward.

Never really bought into the whole "Pittsburgh went to the finals last year, so they may start to feel fatigue" thing but whatever, sounds good to me. Whatever it takes to not play that team in two weeks.
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arcarsenal : 4/25/2017 12:10 pm : link
I think we've won like 2-3 playoff series in 5 games or less in the last decade and we've been in like 20 during that span.

I would not bank on the Rangers winning this series in 5 games.

I do think they can win the series - but the Senators are going to give us a hard time.
Off the top of my head  
MetsAreBack : 4/25/2017 12:46 pm : link
Thrashers - sweep

Devils - 5 games, i think maybe 2007 or around then? The series Avery got in Brodeur's head

Penguins 2 years ago (and we won 3 games in OT to do it)
Yeah, I don't disagree.  
Giants in 07 : 4/25/2017 12:50 pm : link
Saw Rangers 4-1 @ +500 and jumped on it so..

It wouldn't be a Rangers playoff series if I didn't think the season was over after Game 3.
^^^  
Andy in Halifax : 4/25/2017 12:52 pm : link
Flounder?
that is indeed the extent of the 5 game series wins  
Greg from LI : 4/25/2017 12:53 pm : link
6 game series wins are Montreal (both this year and 2014). Everything else went seven or was a series loss.
These Rangers tend not to lose to so-so teams  
Deej : 4/25/2017 1:00 pm : link
Last year the Pens, who won the Cup. Year before they lost in the conference finals (TB). Year before that, cup finals (LAK). Year before that, lost to a SCF finalist (BOS). Year before that, NJD in the conference finals.

So 5 straight years we've lost to the Stanley Cup winner or runner-up. Year before that stretch, we lost to the Caps, who were a 1 seed.
RE: ^^^  
YAJ2112 : 4/25/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13441477 Andy in Halifax said:
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Flounder?


yep, where have you been? he's been back for a while.
RE: Game by game  
5BowlsSoon : 4/25/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13441012 MetsAreBack said:
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1. Dead heat - Rangers won on a Tanner Glass freak play

2. Montreal dominated play

3. Montreal dominated play

4. Rangers dominated play

5. Dead heat - Lundqvist stopped a breakaway with 5 minutes to go in a 2-2 game. That was the series. Not us moving to 4 scoring lines. However, once Lundqvist did save the game over the first two periods and then that breakaway -we wore them down in the OT by having those 4 lines. THe better team in OT won.

6. Rangers slightly carried play. Lundqvist did toe tap a tieing goal with about 1 minute left to keep game going to OT, but the Rangers missed 2-3 great opportunities themselves in the final 10 minutes.


Thanks Mets for this detailed analysis. Sounds pretty even. Actually, I did watch about 9 minutes and that was the OT in game 5. I figured whoever won this game probably wins the series. I was shocked at what I was seeing. The Rangers were swarming Price. Like you said, no matter who came over the boards, 1st line or 4th line, was swarming. Habs looked overwhelmed and Rangers did not play this tight to the vest. When they scored, I said to myself, they deserve to win this series and I hope my Leafs come out with such passion in OT against the Capitals. Oh well. Anyhow, thanks again. Good luck to your boys. I hope you pummel Ottawa.
Not sure about causation  
Deej : 4/25/2017 2:28 pm : link
but I think the series turned once Buch came in for Glass. The Rangers started to carry the play. Not 100% of the time, but things were really different.
I'd rather make fun of Andy  
Jay in Toronto : 4/25/2017 2:30 pm : link
for his Giants' draft.
You get that Miada you always dreamed of yet princess?  
Andy in Halifax : 4/25/2017 2:47 pm : link
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RE: ^^^  
Giants in 07 : 4/25/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13441477 Andy in Halifax said:
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Flounder?


Whats up pal? Been a while.

Hope you enjoyed this year's Australian Open as much as I did.. Didn't think we'd get to see him win again.

Looking forward to this Rangers/Sens series.
Subban looking good early  
schabadoo : 4/26/2017 8:34 pm : link
Nashville would be fun to see come out of the West.
Preds are a good team.  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 8:38 pm : link
I'd definitely like to see them come out of the West.
The Blonde with the SPLENDID RACK  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/26/2017 9:30 pm : link
is right behind Laviolette. God Bless Her!
The Predators..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/26/2017 10:22 pm : link
will win this round. Can't see how they won't.
I am picking NSH as well..  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 10:32 pm : link
But this is going to be a long series.

StL has been excellent since Yeo took over for Hitchcock. I believe they were 22-8-2 in that span and they made very quick work of the Wild who had a really strong season (though this is par for the course for a Boudreau team..) in the first round.

They're not going to go quietly. If Nashville advances to the WCF, they're going to need 6 or 7 games to get there.
Wish the rangers  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2017 10:40 pm : link
Would shoot in that situation. You just know they'd have tried to make 3 perfect passes in that spot.
This is a really good game.  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 10:41 pm : link
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Wait.  
B in ALB : 4/26/2017 10:42 pm : link
Flounder is back?

I gotta hit up the crying video again. Shit was hilarious.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 10:42 pm : link
I've really had enough of this Fat Marty commercial.

All time great goaltender but the guy is so fucking cringe-worthy.
LOL...  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 10:43 pm : link
Y'all didn't know Giants in 07 was Flounder? He's been back around these parts for a while.
Busted play gets the Preds back on top.  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 10:49 pm : link
Allen really needs to stop that puck, though. If you're going to open up the 5-hole, you better get your stick on that puck. Took a crappy swipe at it and missed.
I guess I forgot again  
B in ALB : 4/26/2017 10:50 pm : link
He hasn't done anything like crying in front of millions of people lately.

Where's the guy who pissed his pants? He still around?
I guess I forgot again  
B in ALB : 4/26/2017 10:52 pm : link
He hasn't done anything like crying in front of millions of people lately.

Where's the guy who pissed his pants? He still around?
bavarofan?  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2017 11:04 pm : link
I haven't seen him post in quite some time.

Probably the funniest BBI thread I've ever seen in my 10 or 11 years here (Christ, I'm fucking old...)

That was one for the ages.
Edmonton/Anaheim is a great matchup  
Kyle in NY : 4/27/2017 12:04 am : link
this series should get pretty nasty too. I enjoy watching this Anaheim defense. Wonder if we can trade them offense for defense after the season. I believe they're facing some issues with the expansion draft as well.
And Cam Fowler  
Kyle in NY : 4/27/2017 12:07 am : link
always reminds me of Anak's draft night freakout when we took McIlrath instead of him or Tarasenko. Obviously, he was right. At the time it was pretty funny though
Anaheim has killed themselves with penalties tonight  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2017 12:38 am : link
But id bet heavy money they represent the west. So complete. I will probably be wrong but I'm guessing caps vs ducks final. I know not exactly going out on a limb there.

Subban tonight was awesome - great postgame interview tonight too. He gave it to Pierre.

Hi PJ!!
Very happy to not have to face Subban  
Kyle in NY : 4/27/2017 12:43 am : link
when we went against MTL. He's fantastic
Going down with the Caps' ship, eh MAB?  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 9:12 am : link
Pittsburgh is going to beat them fairly easily IMO.
RE: Very happy to not have to face Subban  
schabadoo : 4/27/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13444096 Kyle in NY said:
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when we went against MTL. He's fantastic


Looking at that trade, I had no idea Weber's contract has a cap hit of $7,857,141 until 2026. That could get ugly down the road.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2017 9:28 am : link
Was there a reason why the two Eastern games are tonight and not split up?

Preds-Rangers Final. Rangers in 3.
I still don't like our chances against either the Caps or Pens  
Torrag : 4/27/2017 9:34 am : link
...that said the Caps are choke artists and the Pens lost Letang which makes that series more winnable.
Didnt read entire  
RinR : 4/27/2017 9:35 am : link
thread so dont know if this was brought up but can someone explain the NHL's seeding logic. How is Wash & Pitt playing each other in second round?
RE: ....  
schabadoo : 4/27/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13444375 BrettNYG10 said:
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Was there a reason why the two Eastern games are tonight and not split up?

Preds-Rangers Final. Rangers in 3.


Caps couldn't play last night due to Bullets home game. Not sure why NYR didn't play last nite. Maybe other scheduling issues.

Would've been much better viewing to split the east games.
RE: And Cam Fowler  
Anakim : 4/27/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13444079 Kyle in NY said:
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always reminds me of Anak's draft night freakout when we took McIlrath instead of him or Tarasenko. Obviously, he was right. At the time it was pretty funny though


FACKIN BULLSHIT. Everyone knew it was a terrible pick except for Gordie Clark
RE: Didnt read entire  
schabadoo : 4/27/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13444396 RinR said:
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thread so dont know if this was brought up but can someone explain the NHL's seeding logic. How is Wash & Pitt playing each other in second round?


Goes back to the lockout I believe. Changed scheduling to promote more division rivalries, save on travel. Caps and Pens are in the Metro division bracket.
I wouldn't quite say I'd be confident against the Caps  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:04 am : link
But I think the Rangers definitely COULD beat them.

Pittsburgh is Rangers' kryptonite. Aside from that one series two years ago when they were injury-riddled (and still made the series much closer than it should have been), I don't think the Rangers have ever won a series against the scum. Most of them weren't even particularly close.
RE: I wouldn't quite say I'd be confident against the Caps  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 10:09 am : link
In comment 13444470 Greg from LI said:
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But I think the Rangers definitely COULD beat them.

Pittsburgh is Rangers' kryptonite. Aside from that one series two years ago when they were injury-riddled (and still made the series much closer than it should have been), I don't think the Rangers have ever won a series against the scum. Most of them weren't even particularly close.


Did you forget the 2014 conference semi's when we came back from down 3-1 to beat them?
um, no  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:10 am : link
I mentioned that series right in my post.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 10:12 am : link
No you didn't. You mentioned the 2015 first round series that we won in 5 games.
RE: Didnt read entire  
Deej : 4/27/2017 10:16 am : link
In comment 13444396 RinR said:
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thread so dont know if this was brought up but can someone explain the NHL's seeding logic. How is Wash & Pitt playing each other in second round?


Top 3 in each division make the playoffs, which are arranged by division. Then two wild cards make it per conference. The better wild card team (WC1) plays the worse division winner in its conference. So the Rangers, WC1, played Montreal (which finished with fewer points than Washington).

The Metro Division playoffs were thus: #1 Metro team Wash vs. WC2 Toronto (b/c W.C. seeds ignore divisions). The Metro 2 and 3 teams, Pitt and CBJ, played each other. Pitt and Wash advanced to the Metro division finals.
Then I guess I did  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:26 am : link
Point is, I don't want to play those fucks. So tired of losing to that evil franchise and their scummy fucking fans. IIRC the Rangers' two worst defeats this season were both against Pittsburgh - 7-2 and 6-0, I think.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 10:32 am : link
I wouldn't want to play them either. I'd rather play WSH. But, if there's going to be a "good" time to play PIT, it would probably be in the ECF after a long, tough series against the Capitals the year after they won the Cup. A lot of extra games. Might be able to catch them when they're banged up and running out of steam.

Senators first, though... this is going to be a difficult series.
RE: RE: Didnt read entire  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13444463 schabadoo said:
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In comment 13444396 RinR said:


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thread so dont know if this was brought up but can someone explain the NHL's seeding logic. How is Wash & Pitt playing each other in second round?



Goes back to the lockout I believe. Changed scheduling to promote more division rivalries, save on travel. Caps and Pens are in the Metro division bracket.


No, they changed the format 3 years ago. We got screwed by it last year (would have hosted Islanders in first round last year under the old, post-lockout format of seeding 8 teams instead of the white-hot eventual Cup champs on the road) .... but in 2014 we caught a break as the 5 seed in the East facing 6 seed Philadelphia (instead of going on the road to 4 seed Montreal with Carey Price - who we eventually faced in the ECF that year) ... and obviously this year we caught a break too.

Bummer for Capitals and Penguins two years in a row now. On the other hand, if you're on their teams and have the right attitude, you're basically saying to yourself, 'ok my toughest opponent just happens one round earlier now... win, and we're overwhelming favorites to win the Cup (as Pittsburgh did last year) ... lose and at least I get two extra weeks summer vacation'
I'd rather face Pittsburgh  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2017 10:44 am : link
a) they're not as good/deep as the Capitals without Letang

b) They've already won so many Cups, as a bitter fan who's put seeing Lundqvist win one at the very top of my "things to see this generation' wish list -- I can deal with losing to them and having Sydney hoist a third, than seeing Caps fans get to celebrate their first for Ovechkin. It's one of those 'if I have to be miserable... so do (Flyer) and (Capital) fans too'

I do think Capitals are winning that series in 6. This is their year.
Also--  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2017 10:46 am : link
even if you beat the Capitals (somehow), they wear you down big time for your next series. Granted that would be the SCF, but playing Capitals for 7 and then a physical Ducks/Predators team... is a steep task.

Anyway -- we have our hands full big time with a talented Ottawa team, so I'm not counting my chickens yet. What happens, happens.
Their defense is better  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:46 am : link
But I'd take the Pens' forwards over the Caps' every time and never think twice about it. I guess Fleury is the wild card. He certainly is capable of blowing a series on his own, but he's also capable of playing lights-out. Never know which Fleury will show up.
I would prefer to face the Caps  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2017 11:02 am : link
100% before the Pens.

Even if the Caps are on paper a better team, the Pens rolling out Crosby, Malkin and Kessel is made for the playoffs. Guys like Hornquist, Rust, and even Guentzel are perfect to play alongside them.

Well they are head-and-shoulders the best two teams  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2017 11:05 am : link
in the NHL. Tall task no matter which you face.

Hope we get there and find out.
Eff  
Rover : 4/27/2017 11:39 am : link
The Caps.
Fiala out for playoffs with broken leg  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2017 11:53 am : link

Sucks for the kid. not much of a scorer, but really solid possession player. Tough loss for Nashville.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:25 pm : link
This is going to be a frustrating series because of the 1-3-1 the Senators play. It's going to neutralize our speed game a bit so we're going to have to continue to play chameleon and adapt.

Have to exploit their blue line in their end. Karlsson is obviously a world-class player but they're not very deep at the position otherwise.

Would be great to get this first game and put the pressure on them to take Game 2.
RE: Going down with the Caps' ship, eh MAB?  
djm : 4/27/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13444323 Greg from LI said:
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Pittsburgh is going to beat them fairly easily IMO.


I don't care if it's 3-0 Caps in this series at some point. Pitt wins it.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13444446 schabadoo said:
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In comment 13444375 BrettNYG10 said:


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Was there a reason why the two Eastern games are tonight and not split up?

Preds-Rangers Final. Rangers in 3.



Caps couldn't play last night due to Bullets home game. Not sure why NYR didn't play last nite. Maybe other scheduling issues.

Would've been much better viewing to split the east games.


Thanks.

Rangers can beat Caps/Penguins if they roll four lines of skill. We saw the Leafs control play against the Caps at points because of their forwards. Rangers can do the same.

And Lundqvist can steal any given series himself.

I don't think it's likely or anything, but it's not like the Rangers have 10% odds in that series.
And I think OTT's a good team.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2017 2:26 pm : link
I don't take them lightly.
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