Get our Tight End or are we still waiting for the development of Reese's brainstorm pick of Travis Beckham creating impossible mis- matches for the opposition.
Travis Beckham wasn't even on the team like 2 years ago.
Terrell Adams, though not a high draft pick, is a promising 2 way TE, and I hope he gets a chance to be the main guy. Good year to get another TE though. I doubt Howard or Njoku will be available, but others that can be had in 3rd or later. I want 2 O linemen, a DE, a CB, a DT, and a LB. So that leaves one pick they can get a TE, unless they go QB.
Tell that to Belichick who has always kept two big TEs on his teams and exploited the hell out of everyone. And of course, there's Witten - who has broken the Giants' fans hearts more than any other player in memory.
A great TE is a dangerous weapon and a damn good thing to have on the team
it's a factor, and a big reason why I don't want TE at all. Njoku can be a nice piece, but I'm guessing there's going to be a bunch of more highly rated players on our board at more premium positions. Lack of production, bad at blocking, not a good route runner, and some drops all equal a pass from me.
it's a factor, and a big reason why I don't want TE at all. Njoku can be a nice piece, but I'm guessing there's going to be a bunch of more highly rated players on our board at more premium positions. Lack of production, bad at blocking, not a good route runner, and some drops all equal a pass from me.
You reiterated a point I saw made recently - that Njoku wasn't a starter and didn't play much football and that his production was minimal - that I wanted to contradict. He had more touchdowns last year than Howard had over 4 years of starting at TE. Njoku didn't have limited production. That's a falsehood that I saw posted recently which I wanted to point out to you, because you're usually more on point. Saying Njoku is a project is a stretch if your argument is based on his production. He produced. He only played for a year. Playing only a year is a valid point. His production isn't in question though.
it's a factor, and a big reason why I don't want TE at all. Njoku can be a nice piece, but I'm guessing there's going to be a bunch of more highly rated players on our board at more premium positions. Lack of production, bad at blocking, not a good route runner, and some drops all equal a pass from me.
You reiterated a point I saw made recently - that Njoku wasn't a starter and didn't play much football and that his production was minimal - that I wanted to contradict. He had more touchdowns last year than Howard had over 4 years of starting at TE. Njoku didn't have limited production. That's a falsehood that I saw posted recently which I wanted to point out to you, because you're usually more on point. Saying Njoku is a project is a stretch if your argument is based on his production. He produced. He only played for a year. Playing only a year is a valid point. His production isn't in question though.
And what I said here isn't completely accurate. He played two seasons, but played more of a full time role last year. But, look at his production compared to Howard: Njoku is a much more explosive player based on his production numbers.
There are 3 WR on this team who are the priority in pass routes. This is not Car, KC, Phi, Bal or Sea where the WR group is not deep. This notion that the Giants grab a TE and the only thing he is doing is run seam routes is a joke.
The TE on the roster ran the seam routes and were open. This offense chose not to utilize the route. Look at the routes the TE ran in 15 vs 16 - the YPC is much higher
The bigger question to me is why spend a 1st rd pick on a TE when you can get similar players 2-3 rounds later
As you said, their TEs are big. They also can block. Except for Howard, most of the TE candidates in the first 2-3 rounds are just pass catchers, and undersized as blockers.
Find a TE who sighs over 250 lbs and is a willing blocker and I'm on board.
id be pretty supset if they went with njouku, i dont see him transalting. Ive been preaching gerald everett and will continue to do so. he is an aggressive blocker willing to do the dirty work and is a very good receiver. thats the TE i want.
Tell that to Belichick who has always kept two big TEs on his teams and exploited the hell out of everyone. And of course, there's Witten - who has broken the Giants' fans hearts more than any other player in memory.
A great TE is a dangerous weapon and a damn good thing to have on the team
There are 3 WR on this team who are the priority in pass routes. This is not Car, KC, Phi, Bal or Sea where the WR group is not deep. This notion that the Giants grab a TE and the only thing he is doing is run seam routes is a joke.
The TE on the roster ran the seam routes and were open. This offense chose not to utilize the route. Look at the routes the TE ran in 15 vs 16 - the YPC is much higher
The bigger question to me is why spend a 1st rd pick on a TE when you can get similar players 2-3 rounds later
^^ This. Couldn't agree more. And I still want to see it through with Ellison and Adams. Adams seems like the seem guy and Ellison the underneath. I'd rather upgrade somewhere else. Njoku is such a raw talent. With so many passes to go to the top 3 WR's and current TE's, I just don't see it with Njoku or Engram especially in the 1st. Howard would be too much to pass up on, but he's not going to be there.
It doesn't work that way. Can't be forcing positions if the value isn't there.
In fairness, every first round pick is a massive risk. Njoku isn't any riskier than a lot of names flouted about.
Njoku would be amazing value at 23. Yeah the risk is there, but the reward is there too. He has immense potential.
OL will be tough to find in this draft.....Need can not create a player
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is just a massive risk so if we do go TE early I'm hoping it isn't him.
In fairness, every first round pick is a massive risk. Njoku isn't any riskier than a lot of names flouted about.
That isn't the type of risk I meant. Limited college production and workout warrior is something that I'm not sure I want anything to do with at 23.
Tell that to Belichick who has always kept two big TEs on his teams and exploited the hell out of everyone. And of course, there's Witten - who has broken the Giants' fans hearts more than any other player in memory.
A great TE is a dangerous weapon and a damn good thing to have on the team
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is just a massive risk so if we do go TE early I'm hoping it isn't him.
In fairness, every first round pick is a massive risk. Njoku isn't any riskier than a lot of names flouted about.
That isn't the type of risk I meant. Limited college production and workout warrior is something that I'm not sure I want anything to do with at 23.
So then you wouldn't like OJ Howard
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Engram is a remote-thrower. Njoku would be a great pick
Completely agree.. I'd rather get Forrest Lamp or a defensive player over TE..
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is just a massive risk so if we do go TE early I'm hoping it isn't him.
In fairness, every first round pick is a massive risk. Njoku isn't any riskier than a lot of names flouted about.
That isn't the type of risk I meant. Limited college production and workout warrior is something that I'm not sure I want anything to do with at 23.
So then you wouldn't like OJ Howard
Howard is a complete TE. I'd rather draft a different position entirely at 24 but it's Howard over Njoku all day for me.
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is just a massive risk so if we do go TE early I'm hoping it isn't him.
In fairness, every first round pick is a massive risk. Njoku isn't any riskier than a lot of names flouted about.
That isn't the type of risk I meant. Limited college production and workout warrior is something that I'm not sure I want anything to do with at 23.
So then you wouldn't like OJ Howard
Howard is a complete TE. I'd rather draft a different position entirely at 24 but it's Howard over Njoku all day for me.
Right but Howard didn't have much production and also worked out well. Njoku had a better year production-wise than Howard did.
You reiterated a point I saw made recently - that Njoku wasn't a starter and didn't play much football and that his production was minimal - that I wanted to contradict. He had more touchdowns last year than Howard had over 4 years of starting at TE. Njoku didn't have limited production. That's a falsehood that I saw posted recently which I wanted to point out to you, because you're usually more on point. Saying Njoku is a project is a stretch if your argument is based on his production. He produced. He only played for a year. Playing only a year is a valid point. His production isn't in question though.
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it's a factor, and a big reason why I don't want TE at all. Njoku can be a nice piece, but I'm guessing there's going to be a bunch of more highly rated players on our board at more premium positions. Lack of production, bad at blocking, not a good route runner, and some drops all equal a pass from me.
You reiterated a point I saw made recently - that Njoku wasn't a starter and didn't play much football and that his production was minimal - that I wanted to contradict. He had more touchdowns last year than Howard had over 4 years of starting at TE. Njoku didn't have limited production. That's a falsehood that I saw posted recently which I wanted to point out to you, because you're usually more on point. Saying Njoku is a project is a stretch if your argument is based on his production. He produced. He only played for a year. Playing only a year is a valid point. His production isn't in question though.
And what I said here isn't completely accurate. He played two seasons, but played more of a full time role last year. But, look at his production compared to Howard: Njoku is a much more explosive player based on his production numbers.
That said is a phenomenal Gronk or even Reed/Olsen/Kelce type talent is sitting at 23 I think we gotta take him..
Unless a bunch of hunter Henry's are waiting in the 2nd for sure
I had the same thought when I saw the thread title.
The TE on the roster ran the seam routes and were open. This offense chose not to utilize the route. Look at the routes the TE ran in 15 vs 16 - the YPC is much higher
The bigger question to me is why spend a 1st rd pick on a TE when you can get similar players 2-3 rounds later
Find a TE who sighs over 250 lbs and is a willing blocker and I'm on board.
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Tell that to Belichick who has always kept two big TEs on his teams and exploited the hell out of everyone. And of course, there's Witten - who has broken the Giants' fans hearts more than any other player in memory.
A great TE is a dangerous weapon and a damn good thing to have on the team
Belichick WITH Brady would win without ANY TEs..😎
The TE on the roster ran the seam routes and were open. This offense chose not to utilize the route. Look at the routes the TE ran in 15 vs 16 - the YPC is much higher
The bigger question to me is why spend a 1st rd pick on a TE when you can get similar players 2-3 rounds later
^^ This. Couldn't agree more. And I still want to see it through with Ellison and Adams. Adams seems like the seem guy and Ellison the underneath. I'd rather upgrade somewhere else. Njoku is such a raw talent. With so many passes to go to the top 3 WR's and current TE's, I just don't see it with Njoku or Engram especially in the 1st. Howard would be too much to pass up on, but he's not going to be there.