Ah, I found my old buddy. I figured he'd pop on here to ask about a QB or two & with a last name of pinstripe, how could this diehard Yankees fan refuse. Here's an excerpt from the Davis Webb Report;
Body Structure Webb has a tall, developing frame with good bone structure and muscle tone. He can easily carry at least another ten pounds of bulk without the additional weight affecting his overall quickness. He has adequate hands and good arm length, but needs further lower body development.
Athletic Ability Webb is a mobile passer who shows good slide and escape agility, but lacks the second gear to run long distances with the ball. He demonstrates good balance throwing across his body and the loose hips to get to the outside hashes. He has just adequate acceleration past the line of scrimmage, but does a good job of squaring his shoulders to break arm tackles. He appears to be built more in the lines of a pocket passer, but can avoid pressure rolling out.
Football Sense Webb is a student of the game, but you can see a bit of a gambler in him on the field, even though he does a good job of scanning the field. He is quick to make his decisions and has excellent poise to stand tall under the fierce rush. Even though he is cool under pressure, he can frustrate a coach by trying for force his deep ball. It’s not just for the sake of making the play, but he could do a better job of resetting his base before throwing on the move, as that does lead to costly interceptions. He has shown marked improvement the second half of 2016 with his progression reads and is alert to zone coverage. With the way he can easily draw up plays in pressure situations, there is no question that he can handle and digest a complicated playbook.
Set Up Webb has the quick retreat skills from center to get to his drop point and sets his feet well to be ready to throw. He has the body control to throw off-balance and shows good ability to pass on the move. Whether off the sprint or in drop-back action, he can easily scan the field and demonstrates a smooth follow-through motion.
Reading Defenses Webb has a bit of gambler in him. Even with his vision and patience in the pocket, he does not always do a good job of going through route progressions and does like to challenge defenses going deep, despite his receivers being covered. You will see him force his throws under pressure, but he does get into trouble with turnovers when he tries to throw long (had ten interceptions on deep throws last year). He sees the entire field, whether standing in the pocket or on the sprint. He is also quite innovative when the play breaks down and must be accounted for anytime he drives back from center.
Release With his height and arm length, Webb’s over-the-top release gets the ball out with good quickness. He carries the ball chest high and is generally quick to get into position to throw. He has that quick wrist flick that gets the ball out effortlessly, but does need to improve his foot plant before throwing the deep ball. He gets rid of the ball on time and usually does so with a smooth motion.
Arm Strength Webb is more effective when he keeps the ball in the short area, as he has much better velocity on his throws there. He has more than enough arm strength to attack the deep secondary, but most of his interceptions are the result of seeing his long tosses get fired right into tight coverage. Those attempts rarely wobble or lose air, but he has to be more alert to the zone, especially in the last third of the secondary. He will generally under-throw his targets when attacking the seam, but then surprises you with his success in generating good zip working underneath.
Accuracy When Webb operates in the short-to intermediate area, he shows much better timing on his attempts. He throws a tight spiral working underneath, but those interceptions are usually the result of him not setting his feet properly “threading the needle” when throwing into tight, deep areas when he is flushed out of the pocket. He is precise throwing short on the move, as he does a good job of unleashing it across his body, but you would like to see the same effectiveness when passing off his back foot. However, when attacking the deep zone, his long throws show good zip, but his penchant for attacking tight areas is not going to bode well (has to play within the system and not try to create something out of nothing).
Touch Webb shows better touch when he drills the ball into the short area. He can throw on the run adequately, despite light feet, but he has to improve on keeping his receivers in their routes with minimal adjustment when working deep or in the open field. He just runs hot and cold when trying to air the ball out. In the short passing game, he knows how to take something off his tosses and vary its speed. Once he works on his deep timing and shows more consistency with the 4-5 cut, he will be more effective delivering the ball in a seam.
Poise I like the kid one I can develop and he reminds me of Phil Simms (ex-Giants) with his calm demeanor on the field, even in pressure situations. He has the loose hips to side-step and avoids pressure well, doing a fine job of stepping up and standing tall in the pocket. It is rare to see him rush his throws, but when he does so, the ball will sail a bit when he does not set his feet. With his size and balance, he is hard to knock down in the pocket.
Pocket Movement Webb is very alert to pocket pressure and takes advantage of his hip swerve to avoid the pass rush. He does need to learn when to take a sack rather than throw the ball away at times and has to be more effective throwing on the roll-out. He has that peripheral vision that lets him quickly sense backside pressure, doing a nice job of stepping up to avoid, though.
Scrambling Ability Webb might not win long distance foot races, but he is quite nimble moving out of the pocket and throwing on the run. He has very good balance that lets him get the ball out quickly, even when throwing without setting his feet first. He maintains his velocity and accuracy throwing to the short area from the outside hashes.
In the 2nd this kid would be a dream come true if he was there.
In the 2nd this kid would be a dream come true if he was there.
I am with you. i get the same feeling with Webb. strong arm, and he looks the part....I like him as well
The Giants shouldn't take any QB this year, but Seth Russell from Baylor might be worth a late day three pick. Broken neck in 2015, and a gruesome dislocated ankle in 2016. He's healed, or close to it, and should be ready to go for OTAs. Comes from another "air raid" offense, but he has a strong arm, nice touch, and is very mobile.
The Giants met with both.
I just like this kid and I like big, tall QBs who are pocket passers first and only leave the pocket when it's absolutely necessary
Darnold might be just the third guy to ever get a perfect grade from me, but Josh Allen at Wyoming & the electrifying Jackson at Louisville could make it a triple header next April. How good is the crop? Well, just on the senior-to-be talent alone, I would have placed Mahomes 7th in that group.
I still think there are a few third day QBs in this draft I would be interested in. If they pan out, great. If not, there's always next year.
The kid I think who is going to surprise is Josh Dobbs. Why oh why do I get a feeling he's going to be a Redskin. Mr. Cousins, if that happens, after 2017, call Mayflower. Your coach has spent lots of hours talking pure football with that genius from Volunteer land.
Jerod Evans, I wanna spank the kid for coming out. Another year under Justin Fuente at Tech would have ironed out his rough spots, but that athleticism makes me want to stash him as my #3 guy or on the practice squad.
On the rookie FA market, Patrick Towles is interesting, but frustrates you just the same. Somebody might unearth a gem if they go bring Northern Colorado's big boy, Kyle Sloter into camp.
Yeah, not much to write home to mother about, but as they say - wait until next year. Hopefully J. Reese follows suit. I mean if he takes a QB in Round One? Eli will be selling helmets on the street.
Unless you are saying Eli = Wally Pipp.
Unless you are saying Eli = Wally Pipp.
Yep Babe Dahlgren replaced Lou Gehrig
Unless you are saying Eli = Wally Pipp.
There is something about this kid that I really like and have a feeling the Giants are on him.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/davis-webb-preparing-to-coach-once-hes-through-with-his-playing-career/
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Unless you are saying Eli = Wally Pipp.
I think he meant that Webb was Wally by Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech. In 2014 Webb was injured against TCU, and Mahomes took over the starting role and never gave it back. Webb then transferred to Cal in 2015.
Yes, this is exactly the reference I was making. I didn't realize it was all that subtle.
In the 2nd this kid would be a dream come true if he was there.
Congrats. Haha
Agree 100% David... I had this kid on my brain as a Giant type pick for some time. Perhaps we are going to get lucky with him if you read Dave's scouting report - this is a very talented player.