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BlackLight : 3:38 pm
My understanding is that the final U.S. match vs. Finland wasn't a gold medal match per se, that there was a point system in place that wouldn't have guaranteed the U.S. any medal, depending on certain outcomes. I'm just curious if anyone knows what would've had to have happened for the Americans to miss out on a medal. They lose to Finland and Sweden beats the Soviets? Or was there something else in play?
It was the gold medal match as far as I know  
BillT : 3:41 pm : link
Winner got the gold. Looser the silver.
RE: It was the gold medal match as far as I know  
BlackLight : 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13441760 BillT said:
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Winner got the gold. Looser the silver.


Except the Fins didn't win the silver.
Just looked  
BillT : 3:45 pm : link
And I'm wrong. Winner got the gold. Looser didn't get the silver though the USSR did. See link
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the final round was a round robin back then, not an elimination  
Greg from LI : 3:47 pm : link
Two preliminary divisions - Sweden and the US played in one, Finland the USSR in the other. Sweden and the US tied, USSR beat Finland, and those games counted toward the medal round standings. So, to start the medal round:

USSR 1-0-0
US 0-0-1
Sweden 0-0-1
Finland 0-1-0

After the first medal round games (Sweden tied Finland):

US 1-0-1
USSR 1-1-0
Sweden 0-0-2
Finland 0-1-1

So.....Had the US lost to Finland and the Swedes beaten the Soviets, the US and Finland would have been tied for third place and I imagine the tiebreaker would have been total goals.
Yeah, that's the crazy thing about  
B in ALB : 3:51 pm : link
the Finland game. The US could have lost and gotten nothing. Even after beating the Soviets.
wait, I must have gotten that wrong  
Greg from LI : 3:58 pm : link
it would have to be a tie between the USSR and Sweden... I think?
RE: the final round was a round robin back then, not an elimination  
Mad Mike : 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13441772 Greg from LI said:
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So.....Had the US lost to Finland and the Swedes beaten the Soviets, the US and Finland would have been tied for third place and I imagine the tiebreaker would have been total goals.

Pretty sure the tiebreaker was goal differential, and Finland was 3 behind us going into our game, so it would have taken a big win for them to pass us for a medal. But if we'd lost and the other game tied, it would've been a four-way tie (in points). Sweden would have had a zero differential, we would've been zero at best, and possibly worse, Finland would have been at worst -1, possibly better. Not sure how ties were broken after goal differential, probably total goals.
Also, if everything had gone as it did,  
Mad Mike : 4:06 pm : link
except for the our last minute goal in the opening round against Sweden, the Soviets would have won gold based on goal differential.
Yes - US could have blown a chance for a medal with a loss to Finland  
kinard : 6:59 pm : link
According to the link below, had the United States lost to Finland on Feb. 24, 1980, the Soviet Union — yes, the same Soviets the U.S. defeated in the "Miracle on Ice" game two days prior — would have won the gold medal.

That's because, as Greg mentioned, in 1980, the Olympic men's hockey medal round was played in a round-robin, not single-elimination, format. Finland and the United States would have played regardless of the result two days earlier. But the U.S. still needed that 4-2 win over the Finns to win the gold medal, and they may not have won a medal at all with a loss.

Again, no matter the result of the Americans' game against the Soviets, they would have played Finland. Had they lost or tied, things would have gotten interesting. A Finland victory would have given each team three points. The Soviet Union beat Sweden 9-2 several hours later, giving it four points and the gold medal had Finland won. A U.S. tie would have given it four, but it would have been well behind the Red Army in goal differential.

Had Finland beat the U.S. by at least two goals and Sweden and the Soviet Union tied, the Americans would not have medaled at all.
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I remember as a kid watching the torch  
B in ALB : 7:33 pm : link
make its way up Route 9 towards Lake Placid. We stood on the road and watched it run by. Pretty cool experience. I still have pictures of the day.

When the US beat Russia, i think the game was over at like 5 or 5:30p and it was not televised live. I believe the Russians complained that the game would be seen at like 4am there and the US effort to move the game to 8p was denied.
But word quickly spread that our boys had done what seemed impossible. We ended up hearing about it thru phone calls and word of mouth because ABC refused to televise the result. Amazing.
The Most Amazing Upset In Sporting History  
Bernie : 10:41 pm : link
and nothing comes close. There is no way to describe it to those who were not alive or old enough at the time to understand the magnitude. I have a team of young people who work for me and when the topic comes up, I always direct them to an alternate call of the game that can be found on youtube. The emotion in the announcers voice as the seconds wind down helps them better understand how big of a deal it was.
Let's call it the biggest sports moment in American history  
BlackLight : 4/26/2017 2:02 am : link
Here's my question - if we treat fictional sports moment like they actually happened, would anything top the Miracle on Ice?

If Rocky actually knocked out Drago in Moscow on Christmas Day, would that have been a bigger deal?
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