Raanan (again) - Giants will NOT be drafting Njoku

of how insane it would be to draft these mediocre offensive lineman over Njoku...

...that's the anti-thesis of their usual approach. So I doubt it strongly.

not being in the conversation

It is amazing how people criticize someone when they give them information they don't want to hear

adamant about Njoku not being the man @ 23 says something.

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In comment 13442332 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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adamant about Njoku not being the man @ 23 says something.

Either it is the largest smoke screen in history, or GASP... he has information that the GIants have no interest in Njoku

In comment 13442327 jlukes said:

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not being in the conversation It is amazing how people criticize someone when they give them information they don't want to hear

That's quite possible. But also consider that our resident insider, hitdog, who has proven his connections on several times has said they do have some interest in Njoku.

In comment 13442327 jlukes said:

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not being in the conversation It is amazing how people criticize someone when they give them information they don't want to hear

maybe because of the backfire from the floyd leaks the giants are throwing out misinformation...like canceling his meeting and such...everyone seems to be in love with him or he has a guarantee to be top 20 which is why the giants pulled him off there board...IDK

gets me every time.

Giants would love a pass rusher, a premier TE, and a LT. Leak it to the press!

predicting Bolles is a dart board throw.

If the conversation is, "he just needs another year," Bolles is the last player we will pick.

If the conversation is, "we can probably keep Eli alive for one more year, but we have to do something else," Bolles could be in the conversation as the 2018 starting LT replacement.

In comment 13442332 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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adamant about Njoku not being the man @ 23 says something.

Not to mention the Giants canceled Njoku team visit last minute (which to date I have read nothing that says why)

In comment 13442343 UConn4523 said:

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gets me every time. Giants would love a pass rusher, a premier TE, and a LT. Leak it to the press!

Shocking leaks!

In comment 13442343 UConn4523 said:

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gets me every time. Giants would love a pass rusher, a premier TE, and a LT. Leak it to the press!

Thanks UConn, you just ruined another draft for the Giants.

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In comment 13442332 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: adamant about Njoku not being the man @ 23 says something. Not to mention the Giants canceled Njoku team visit last minute (which to date I have read nothing that says why)

It was a scheduling conflict. Was posted yesterday. He was coming to see the Jets and then also the Giants. But he had another interview the following day and couldn't get to the Giants (IIRC - paraphrasing the post - think Dave TE said what it was.).

Bolles ranked higher than Ramczyk which is interesting. Health concerns but more upside I would imagine with Ram vs. character concerns and peaking with Bolles.

Lineman is not their, chances are good giants will draft the Miami te

think Denver takes Bolles, and Baltimore takes Robinson. The Giants have no interest in Ramczyk, so no OL in the first.

Davis, Charlton, Reddick, Howard, McCaffrey all gone as well.

Look for an edge rusher.

think Lamp goes to Miami at #22.

stuff with Njoku that none of us knows.. I think people get to enamored with a player without really knowing much about him. There is a lot of football we have not seen from him yet and a ton of behind the scenes stuff that none of us knows. Either way I doubt Jordan would say something so emphatically without some knowledge of the situation.

Smokescreens me nothing when you are drafting 23rd in the first round. Who knows how this will shake out. The top of the draft could be very shaky with some serious surprises. Of course, the surprise is usually because we all following the so called "experts" and none of them really know how one team feels about a certain player over another...

a lot earlier than the mocks are telling us.

Sherff at Guard went #5 overall 2 years ago and we were interested in him as well as others, I'm assuming. Weak OL class or not, if Lamp is considered to be the best lineman I can see him getting snatched up early.

If that happens it really shakes things up, and we see something like that happen every year.

But I guess he knows something we don't

Perhaps they are looking for less of a project and more of a "instant coffee" type player, like Bolles or Davis.

Regarding TEs as early draft picks.

if we took Bolles over Lamp or Robinson (assuming they are available, which they were on this mock).

Not only are they younger, but I just think Lamp and Robinson are going to be better pros.

In comment 13442386 ryanmkeane said:

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if we took Bolles over Lamp or Robinson (assuming they are available, which they were on this mock). Not only are they younger, but I just think Lamp and Robinson are going to be better pros.

I think Lamp was taken earlier

In comment 13442362 AcidTest said:

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think Denver takes Bolles, and Baltimore takes Robinson. The Giants have no interest in Ramczyk, so no OL in the first. Davis, Charlton, Reddick, Howard, McCaffrey all gone as well. Look for an edge rusher.

If edge rusher is the pick I say Bowser or Willis.

will go for his highest rated DE and take his highest rated OL in round two.

The Giants don't value TE, RB and LB like the fans do. They are very reluctant to spend a premium pick there.

In comment 13442386 ryanmkeane said:

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if we took Bolles over Lamp or Robinson (assuming they are available, which they were on this mock). Not only are they younger, but I just think Lamp and Robinson are going to be better pros.

I think all three are gone before we pick. That makes the whole debate over an OL moot. Lamp has the best chance of falling to #23, but Miami is apparently very interested in him.

Watt or Bowser would be my guys if Lamp and Robinson are gone.

In comment 13442391 Rjanyg said:

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In comment 13442362 AcidTest said: Quote: think Denver takes Bolles, and Baltimore takes Robinson. The Giants have no interest in Ramczyk, so no OL in the first. Davis, Charlton, Reddick, Howard, McCaffrey all gone as well. Look for an edge rusher. If edge rusher is the pick I say Bowser or Willis.

Agreed, but I think it would be Bowser. Better in space. Another small possibility is a trade down to target Rivers.

In comment 13442398 ryanmkeane said:

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Watt or Bowser would be my guys if Lamp and Robinson are gone.

Don't want Watt. Explosive, but very little experience on D, and all those knee surgeries. Pass.

and I'm sure he knows Njoku isn't an option, but I do have a question....

What benefit is it to the Giants to make this known? Is it to be honest with agents and/or players for respect? I don't understand why they would be so adamant about not taking a guy that's being mocked to them.

A guy like Mixon I get, there is PR involved.

they were way too aggressive and adamant about certain targets last season. And nobody had Apple up in that conversation the week prior while named-targets went later. Notice how much more downplayed their articles have been on specific players this week.

Furthermore, if the Giants felt they were subject to too many leaks last year, the prudent play would be to just shut the f-up this year versus throwing even more smokescreens. When 22 guys are going to be picked ahead of you, you think maybe the smoke-screen approach becomes kind of laughable?

In comment 13442407 Jimmy Googs said:

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they were way too aggressive and adamant about certain targets last season. And nobody had Apple up in that conversation the week prior while named-targets went later. Notice how much more downplayed their articles have been on specific players this week. Furthermore, if the Giants felt they were subject to too many leaks last year, the prudent play would be to just shut the f-up this year versus throwing even more smokescreens. When 22 guys are going to be picked ahead of you, you think maybe the smoke-screen approach becomes kind of laughable?

Last year the beat writers were adamant about a couple of guys and nobody knew the interst in Apple, but all of the guys the beat writers said the Giants were interested in, were taken before us. This makes no sense. It's not like we passed on Floyd for Apple. Clearly the Giants had to change directions based on how it all unfolded.

also always says he goes on his "informed opinion"...nothing straight from Giants brass.

If not a OL the pick will be a pass rusher or a CB. Bank on it.

by beats, and both went later...

Fills a need, big upside, good kid.

- According to Sy his assigned value is right there when we pick (along with the other 3 OL players)
- He has everything you need to be a tackle in the NFL.
- The one knock is overall strength, but frankly a lot of players coming out have that knock and most add strength and weight their first year. Its fairly common, even Pugh did it.
- We were told that Fluker was brought in as a Guard (then it was reported that he would compete for both spots later). If we take this on face value, then drafting a Tackle makes sense
- They have also said they are open to moving Flowers. Again, this makes picking a Tackle make sense. Let it play out who is RT & LT
- Bolles fits the Tackle pick. Ram is coming off injury (a big Giants red flag), and lots of people think Lamp and Robinson are NFL guards. Bolles, it can be argued, is the purest Tackle in the draft.

In comment 13442431 Jimmy Googs said:

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by beats, and both went later...

Discussed by who? BBI'ers? The Giants expressed interest in Floyd and Conklin who were both taken right before them.

but I am pretty sure nobody in the Giant's front office told him they would not draft Njoku. Even if they did decide that, there is zero advantage is saying that before the draft. If they did, it is a story they are planting. But that is also pointless because no other NFL team is making a draft decision based on that information.

Chances are Ranaan is basing it on the fact that the Giants do not typically spend premium draft picks on non-premium positions (as they see it). They draft DEs, DBs, WRs and Olinemen in the first round. I think he would have same the same certainty about any TE, DT, RB, or LB.

In comment 13442447 Mike from Ohio said:

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but I am pretty sure nobody in the Giant's front office told him they would not draft Njoku. Even if they did decide that, there is zero advantage is saying that before the draft. If they did, it is a story they are planting. But that is also pointless because no other NFL team is making a draft decision based on that information. Chances are Ranaan is basing it on the fact that the Giants do not typically spend premium draft picks on non-premium positions (as they see it). They draft DEs, DBs, WRs and Olinemen in the first round. I think he would have same the same certainty about any TE, DT, RB, or LB.

I agree. I also can't see another GM seeing this report and making any sort of opinion on who they are drafting one way or another. This isn't Hold Em', there's a lot at play here and you need to trust your scouts and process, whatever that may be.

but didn't have accuracy beyond those two.

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do you have any proof of that? I remember tons of talk about Floyd and Conklin.

The value at #23 doesnt matchup as well for WR or DE, the other premium NYG positions, or for OL which many would consider a need.

The situation with Conley will impact the board for CBs, but I still think TD White could be in play. NYG like the position, school and conference.

Personally I would go playmaker at TE or RB if we could but I anticipate Howard, Njoku, Cook and McCaffrey will all be off the board by 23.

just saying more players were discussed as well. Absolutely recall most, if not all. sports media writeups had Hargreaves before Apple. Not digging up proof...

out of your a**. Most writers believed Heargraves was above Apple, but were the Giants saying that they liked him better than Apple? No.

Against the 30.

So canceling it was very significant. Doesn't seem like a smokescreen to me.