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That would suck so much balls

In comment 13442579 Anakim said:

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That would suck so much balls

I don't think Foster is their guy. Jarrad Davis maybe..

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In comment 13442579 Anakim said: Quote: That would suck so much balls I don't think Foster is their guy. Jarrad Davis maybe..

I like both a lot, but Foster is the better MLB and is more durable

with Collins as the leader of the defense, Reese and co would feel comfortable with Foster. I'm actually not sure if Collins and Foster are close, but I'm sure Collins would have good things to say about him.

It begs the question, in what round is BBI comfortable taking Conley?

3?

In comment 13442609 Capt. Don said:

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It begs the question, in what round is BBI comfortable taking Conley? 3?

Need more information about the case

That Peppers and Landon Collins on the field together isn't doable.

A base package of Big Nickel with those two on the field would be pretty versatile. It would certainly increase the importance of finding Hankins' replacement.

Gracias, sir!

stuff Dave. Thanks.

if the Giants draft an OT,Edge Rusher/DT ,TE ,DT/Edge rusher ,RB ,LB ,and corner.......what round/order would line up the best based on available talent?

I actually put it in the order I think the talent lines up.....just curious

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In comment 13442609 Capt. Don said: Quote: It begs the question, in what round is BBI comfortable taking Conley? 3? Need more information about the case

Well, I doubt that is going to happen and being a decision maker means doing so with incomplete or imperfect information.

In comment 13442677 Capt. Don said:

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In comment 13442616 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13442609 Capt. Don said: Quote: It begs the question, in what round is BBI comfortable taking Conley? 3? Need more information about the case Well, I doubt that is going to happen and being a decision maker means doing so with incomplete or imperfect information.

Right. I don't know. But I guarantee you that teams are digging and asking as many informed people as they can about Conley's character.

You got it right, I don't do mocks, but to keep everything tidy-whitey, I ask all questions be directed to the thread provided by BBI only-they are trying to keep all my craziness in one place, thanks

There were no skeletons in this kid's closet before this incident, but this is where you find out if your agent is worth it. I would have been face up on cameras not only denying this, but offering a DNA sample immediately & challenging police to put effort into a quick resolution. Without the DNA, he appears guilty, whether or not he is. They don't do this, he wins the Louis Oliver Award (read up on his draft day plunge & how his agent acted like Bush sitting in a class room on 9/11)

thank you for sharing

Dave...not sure why Conley and agent aren't out in front of this more. Perhaps they are afraid to say anything and just letting the authorities handle. Hell, Lattimore has been more vocal than both Conley and the agent.

I AGREE! Those dudes need to get pro active. Go back in history & look how Louis Oliver's agent screwed him & Collins was in a similar boat before the Pokes saved him after the draft. I'd be at police HQ with a q-tip. Here it is, my DNA, go screw. That would be my first pre-emptive strike. Hey, maybe the kid has a winning lottery ticket stashed somewhere, but his paycheck this year is seeing a few zeroes disappear, whether he's cleared or not.
Here's my peeve - the NFL has 330-plus of these guys in Indy, yet AFTER the draft, they hold a rookie symposium.Look at the crap every year with guys getting in trouble from Indy until the draft.
Hold the symposium in Indy & keep jerks like Cris Carter out of the room. Warn these guys, educate them on what has happened during this time period.
My agent? All his guys have been in lockdown since signed. Outside of the Colin Kaepernick fall out, none of his guys have ever been in trouble. Why? They are mentored by his veterans & train with them throughout the offseason. For the 3% commission, you better work 110% for your guy

but I'm not sure health would be one of the reasons why. I'd worry about chronic rotator cuff issues, especially from a guy who is a thumper like Foster, than I'd worry about a meniscus.

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In comment 13442592 section125 said: Quote: In comment 13442579 Anakim said: Quote: That would suck so much balls I don't think Foster is their guy. Jarrad Davis maybe.. I like both a lot, but Foster is the better MLB and is more durable

Reuben Foster is midway through rehab for a torn rotator cuff (!). That's bad news for his long-term durability. And he had the diluted sample.

Davis is healthy today and very much on the NYG radar. Foster is neither.

The more info I see, the more I think Jarrad Davis falls to the Giants and he's the pick.

Believe that Davis, despite 34 years of no linebackers in the first, is a very big possibility for NYG.

Nice fit, until you see the medical-think shoulder is going to be a recurring issue. They are all over a Day 3 MLB sleeper, Dylan Cole-Missouri State but do to shows/travel today, impossible to pull his scouting report

In comment 13442994 nflscouting said:

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Nice fit, until you see the medical-think shoulder is going to be a recurring issue. They are all over a Day 3 MLB sleeper, Dylan Cole-Missouri State but do to shows/travel today, impossible to pull his scouting report

Here's what Lance Zierlein has to say about him: Dylan Cole.

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I AGREE! Those dudes need to get pro active. Go back in history & look how Louis Oliver's agent screwed him & Collins was in a similar boat before the Pokes saved him after the draft. I'd be at police HQ with a q-tip. Here it is, my DNA, go screw. That would be my first pre-emptive strike. Hey, maybe the kid has a winning lottery ticket stashed somewhere, but his paycheck this year is seeing a few zeroes disappear, whether he's cleared or not. Here's my peeve - the NFL has 330-plus of these guys in Indy, yet AFTER the draft, they hold a rookie symposium.Look at the crap every year with guys getting in trouble from Indy until the draft. Hold the symposium in Indy & keep jerks like Cris Carter out of the room. Warn these guys, educate them on what has happened during this time period. My agent? All his guys have been in lockdown since signed. Outside of the Colin Kaepernick fall out, none of his guys have ever been in trouble. Why? They are mentored by his veterans & train with them throughout the offseason. For the 3% commission, you better work 110% for your guy

Wasn't Oliver drafted in the first round? I'll admit that I'm not that familiar with the story, so I'm sure there's more to it than that, but it doesn't seem comparable to La'el Collins at first glance.

Oliver was THE darling of the draft, expected to set the record for earliest ever drafted safety. The morning of the draft, his drug issues came out all over the place & remind you, no internet then. ESPN was howling for his agent to issue even a denial. He fell like a rock before his coach spoke up, but think he went in the 20s. A year later, his agent was suspended for illegal activities. A few years later, dead under mysterious circumstances.
Now, if Conley was your kid, wouldn't you be doing what I said? Get his hynie with a Q-tip, take a mouth swab & in front of all media, hand it to the police chief & tell him - get to work

STEVEN WROBLEWSKI
Tight End
Southern Utah University Thunderbirds
#88
6:07.4-252
Aurora, Colorado
Central Lakes College
Front Range Community College
Eaglecrest High School

A relatively unknown talent, Wroblewski’s Pro Day performance might be enough to place him on the draft radar late during Day Three action. Coming out of high school, he did not receive much attention from recruiters, spending more time on the sidelines than on the field. Injuries had reduced his prep senior year to four games and just nine receptions to show for that effort. Still he reached the end zone three times during those limited opportunities in 2010.

"I didn't know what I was doing after high school," Wroblewski said. "I was always injured during high school football so I didn't really get any looks or any stats." After graduating from high school, he joined the work force until the spring semester of 2012, enrolling at Front Range Community College in Colorado. He left the school before the 2013 season after a high school teammate convinced him to join some fellow classmates who had joined the Central Lakes College team.

"He asked if I still played football," Wroblewski said, "and I said 'I don't play right now but I kind of want to still. He said (CLC coach Greg) Medeck wanted a receiver. So he showed some film on me, and I came up here that summer." Medeck called Wroblewski a "great kid, a great student with huge potential to play at the next level."

Wroblewski would actually spend three seasons at Central Lakes. In 2012, he played just two games, suffering a season-ending knee injury in Game Two and CLC went on to beat Rochester for the title.
"I made a cut, the guy took out my knee when I planted," said Wroblewski. "It was tough, going through the season, (CLC) being in the championship and me not playing. It was pretty tough."

Stationed at wide receiver, the then 220-pounder Wroblewski emerged during his red-shirt freshman year with the Raiders, pulling in 44 tosses for 651 yards and eight touchdowns. The following year, the team tri-captain he led his Raiders to the Minnesota College Athletic Conference title clash, finishing with 817 yards behind 51 receptions, tallying nine touchdowns in the process, turning into the favorite target for gunslinger quarterback Jake Faber.

Having a weapon like Wroblewski helped Faber garner Northern Division Offensive Player of the Week four times that season. "He's a good quarterback," Wroblewski said back in 2014. "He's young still. He's still learning a lot. He learns day-by-day in practice. I try to work on the little things with him."

That marked the second time the receiver saw his quarterback earned accolades. In 2013, Andrew Johnson was the Southern Division Offensive Player of the Week four times. He also led the division in regular-season passing with 125 completions in 230 attempts (54.3 percent) for 2,040 yards and 19 scores. "It was nice having a quarterback like him," Wroblewski said. "He executed very well. he made plays when we needed them. He was an All-American. That really helped."

In Wroblewski's three years at CLC, the Raiders have won 29 of 32 games and three division championships. They concluded his sophomore season ranked sixth in the country in the NJCAA poll. "It's been great," he said of his CLC experience. "I never thought I would end up in Minnesota, that's for sure. I grew up with a family in Colorado that's from Minnesota so I always wanted to experience it. When I went back to Colorado I would kind of miss Minnesota so I wanted to come back early.

Much like his enticement to join Central Lakes College, another former teammate helped push to get Wroblewski’s name in front of the Southern Utah receivers coach. Wide receiver C.J. Morgan talked to his old friend about Southern Utah and Wroblewski sent his film to the T-Bird coaches.



Their coach, Justin Walterscheid, gets a number of emails from players interested in joining the program. He often doesn’t have the time, though, to thoroughly break down each player the way he would like. An athlete has to capture his attention, quickly — Steven Wroblewski did just that.

“I watched a couple snaps and he instantly got my attention,” Walterscheid said. “And not because of his height, but because of his first step. A guy with his height, with the ability to get off the ball like that, fast twitch muscle, a first explosive step is pretty rare.”

Wroblewski had only played wide receiver, but the T-Birds saw him as a tight end. So over the last few months prior to the 2015 season, he spent his days learning the new position. He remembers his first days of spring ball and just feeling lost. He played an unfamiliar position, tried to figure out blocking, and the speed of the game was much quicker than what he had experienced before.

“I think the first struggle that he had and through spring and something we had to do a lot of work at was catching the ball in traffic,” Walterscheid said. “Being a wide receiver you don’t have as frequent routes catching the ball in between bodies, so that was something that was a little new to him.”

Wroblewski proved to be a quick learner. During his first campaign with the Thunderbirds, he pulled in 36 passes for 375 yards and two touchdowns, a nice start for a guy who was relatively a neophyte at his position. He caught at least one pass in all but one contest and his season was highlighted by a career-best nine receptions in the Northern Arizona clash.

Wroblewski received All-Big Sky Conference honorable mention, taking to the field for ten games in 2016. He managed to score only once via 27 catches, but averaged 14.6 yards during the process. While he was not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine, it was an impressive show in front of a dozen and a half NFL teams that could see him strong consideration as a priority free agent.

On that day at the end of March, Wroblewski accounted for himself in the speed drills, running 4.64 in the 40-yard dash and 1.65 seconds at the 10-yard mark. He recorded a 33-inch vertical jump, 10’-02” broad jump while running 4.37 in the short shuttle and 6.96 in the three-cone drill. He stood at 6:07.4, weighed 252 and measured in with a 34 ¼-inch arm length and 79 3/8-inch wingspan. His lone area that he did not reach expectations was in the weight room, benching 225 pounds sixteen times.

Comparing those numbers to the tight ends attending the 2017 Combine, his 40-yard dash would have placed eighth among the nineteen players in Indianapolis competing for an NFL tight end spot. Only the two top-rated tight ends fared better than him in the three-cone drill (O.J. Howard was timed at 6.85 and Evan Engram at 4.92). His short shuttle would have been good for seventh-best.

SCOUTING ANALYSIS
Body Structure…Wroblewski has a tall, linear frame with room to add at least another ten pounds of bulk. He has broad shoulders, a thick chest and muscular arms, but needs to improve his overall strength. He has a firm midsection, tight waist and hips and adequate bubble. He also possesses good hand width and above average arm length for his position.

Athletic Ability…Wroblewski is an above average receiver with large, natural hands, good hand/eye coordination and good body control throughout his route progression. He lacks sudden moves or explosion, but has the deceptive quickness to ride up on a defensive back. He shows good flexibility and adequate change of direction agility. He has the body control to adjust to off-target passes and looks agile and alert locating and settling into the soft areas of the zone. He runs with a normal stride and demonstrates good balance with the ball in his hands.

Competitiveness…Wroblewski is a good performer on the practice field and in games, feeling that he can produce in pressure situations. He competes for the ball in a crowd and has the functional leaping ability to get to some of the high passes. You just wish he would develop an inherent mean streak and while he gives good effort as a blocker, he needs to dedicate more hours to improving his overall strength. Unless he can generate more power as a blocker, he will not be considered an every-down player at the next level.

Release…While Wroblewski has an imposing frame, he needs to be more aggressive using his hands to escape the jam, even though he shows nice acceleration to get into his routes effortlessly. He relies more on his swim move and change of direction agility to get a clean release vs. the hold-up. He shows some hesitation coming off the ball and must develop more release moves.
Acceleration…Wroblewski relies on deceptive moves to slip through the crowd and get to the underneath throws. He has the frame to shield the ball from defenders after the catch and a valid second gear to win foot races in the open field. In the short area, he has enough quickness to work back for the ball when the quarterback is pressured. While he is a long strider who can’t be considered a vertical threat, he does manage to find ways to get to the ball up the seam.

Quickness…Wroblewski has good explosiveness coming off the ball, but there are times where he will rely more on a rolling start and deceptive moves to get into his route progression. He moves easily once he builds up his acceleration and shows good crispness in and out of his cuts. He also appears quick getting his hands placed when asked to block.

Route Running…Wroblewski does a very good job of stemming and gathering at the top of the route, and has the ability to turn on the second gear coming out of his cuts. He uses a decent smash technique vs. linebackers and does a good job of conning and selling the route by using impressive head and shoulder fakes. When he finds the holes in the zone, he is quick to settle in. It is rare to see him round his routes, as his patterns are usually crisp and defined.

Separation Ability…With his head and shoulder fakes, this deceptive runner knows how to use his frame to get a good push off the smaller defenders. He shows good body forward lean after the catch and knows how to plant and drive to catch a lethargic defender off guard. He is best when using those moves to gain separation. The thing you see on film is his ability to jab in one direction and then break off the route squarely. He would be even more effective with more strength that he could use when shoving off the defender to separate. His body control and short area quickness are seen when uncovering, but unless he gets a clean push off the opponent, he will have to battle through tackles.

2016 SEASON
The All-Big Sky Conference honorable mention accounted for 395 yards via 27 receptions (14.63 ypc), but recorded only one touchdown…He generated 59 yards with three first downs on four grabs vs. Southeastern Louisiana and registered the only 100-yard performance for his career, taking in six tosses for 108 yards, including a SUU career-long 53-yarder vs. Idaho State…He posted his lone score the following week, finishing with three catches for 52 yards vs. Montana State.

2015 SEASON
Wroblewski appeared in eleven games, managed to collect 375 yards with a pair of touchdowns on 36 receptions (10.42 ypc)…Made his Thunderbirds debut with a four-catch day at South Dakota State and had another four catches for 39 yards the following week vs. Northern Colorado…Scored his first touchdown in a SUU uniform (21 yards) vs. Cal-Davis, as he totaled four receptions for 56 yards vs. the Aggies…His other score came when he hauled in a career-high nine passes for 93 yards vs. Northern Arizona.

2014 SEASON
For the third-straight year, Wroblewski was a member of a Central Lakes College team that captured league titles…The All-Minnesota College Athletic Association wide receiver produced 817 yards behind 51 receptions (16.02 ypc) and nine touchdowns…He opened the season with six catches for 84 yards and a 29-yard score at Minnesota State, followed by a 33-yard touchdown among eight receptions for a career-high 151 yards at Dakota…At Vermilion, he added 79 yards and a score on four catches before snatching six balls for 134 yards and two touchdowns, including a 61-yarder at Mesabi Range…Gained 92 yards with a 31-yard touchdown on five throws vs. Ridgewater and made seven catches for 90 yards vs. Rochester.










2013 SEASON
In his first full season at Central Lakes College, Wroblewski pulled in 44 tosses for 651 yards (14.80 ypc) and eight touchdowns…The red-shirt freshman eam tri-captain he led his Raiders to the Minnesota College Athletic Conference title clash, finishing with 817 yards behind 51 receptions, tallying nine touchdowns in the process…Looking to make an impression after missing much of the 2012 season, the receiver began the campaign with a 46-yard score on five catches for 98 yards vs. Fond du Lac Tribal and added two more scores on only three receptions vs. Itasca…Had the first of two 100-yard performances at Minnesota State, tallying 121 yards and a 50-yard touchdown on seven grabs, equaling those catches, good for 118 yards and a touchdown at Northland.

2012 SEASON
Was red-shirted due to injuries, seeing limited action in two games.

HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Eaglescrest (Colo.) High School, but was limited to four games as a senior due to injuries, but scored three times on nine receptions for 142 yards, including two touchdowns on four catches for 43 yards vs. Smoky Hill…His other score was a 12-yarder vs. Overland and his longest reception generated 53 yards vs. Grandview.

PLAYER STATISTICS
RECEIVING TEAM GP REC YDS AVG YDS/G LNG TD 100+
2015 SUU
11 36 375 10.4 34.1 31 2 0
2016 SUU
10 27 395 14.6 39.5 53 1 1

In comment 13442711 nflscouting said:

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There were no skeletons in this kid's closet before this incident, but this is where you find out if your agent is worth it. I would have been face up on cameras not only denying this, but offering a DNA sample immediately & challenging police to put effort into a quick resolution. Without the DNA, he appears guilty, whether or not he is. They don't do this, he wins the Louis Oliver Award (read up on his draft day plunge & how his agent acted like Bush sitting in a class room on 9/11)

Or how his agent acted like Obama confronting a red line?

Is this another Dallas guy or what? Jerry Jones will likely reap the benefits if Conley is cleared, as the Pokes are intent on beating folks to the punch to snatch him...but not until Day 2. That kid really cost himself - a DNA swab ASAP would have shut everyone up.