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If you were Wash GM - would you trade Cousins?

Dan in the Springs : 4/26/2017 1:45 pm
Considering their differences and the increasing likelihood that he will leave via FA after this year, do you trade him now as this Washington Post blog post suggests?

Keep in mind that next year's QB class is supposed to be stellar. What would you demand in trade return for letting him go, and what would your backup plan be for 2017?
No. He's a pretty decent  
section125 : 4/26/2017 1:48 pm : link
QB and you know what you have in Cousins. Despite what the homers at BBI say, the 'skins can win with him.
So let him walk next year?  
Dan in the Springs : 4/26/2017 1:50 pm : link
for a comp pick?

It seems they should have a clear idea of whether he wants to re-sign at this point.

I'm not sure you can go into the year without some hope from your starter, but who do you sign? Do you draft someone this year?
Only if I'm 99.9999% certain I can't sign him to an  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2017 1:51 pm : link
extension before he's a FA. Losing him for nothing makes zero sense. Not blowing it up before he leaves in FA (thus setting ourselves up for a high pick next season) also makes no sense.
Washington should think about drafting a starting QB  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2017 1:52 pm : link
given the incertainty of the Cousins situation, more than the Giants should consider taking one, imv
Only if I know I can't sign him  
AnnapolisMike : 4/26/2017 1:52 pm : link
Cousins has developed into a good QB. They can win with him if they could get their act together.
uncertainty  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2017 1:52 pm : link
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Definitely  
Go Terps : 4/26/2017 1:53 pm : link
He isn't worth close to what he is paid. Easily replaced.

I like Cousins, and would keep him...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/26/2017 1:53 pm : link
but if he doesn't want to stay, you are looking at him walking away with no return in about 10 months. That would hurt this team a TON.

Even the comp pick you might be awarded wouldn't be during the 2018 draft.
I'd want to trade him  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2017 1:53 pm : link
but I'd probably not be pleased with what's being offered. They lost some weapons and this season will be a true test. If he stinks then not giving him a huge contract is a big win.

Either way I think its good for the Giants. We have Cousins' number and he's good enough to pick off a win or two from the Eagles/Cowboys who aren't nearly as talented as us on defense.

If he leaves, hopefully its for crap picks and they take forever to find his replacement.
Cousins loses more value every day the draft approaches  
32_Razor : 4/26/2017 1:53 pm : link
He isn't going anywhere
If I was Washington this is what I would do  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2017 2:02 pm : link
I would trade Cousins for a 2018 1st round pick and a 3rd this year. I would then take a developmental QB this year like Peterman in round 4. Obviously the Redskins would be among the worst teams in football but then they would have a shot at either Darnold or Allen plus another first round pick to help add talent around them.
RE: If I was Washington this is what I would do  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13443079 Jay on the Island said:
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I would trade Cousins for a 2018 1st round pick and a 3rd this year. I would then take a developmental QB this year like Peterman in round 4. Obviously the Redskins would be among the worst teams in football but then they would have a shot at either Darnold or Allen plus another first round pick to help add talent around them.


I'd do something like this too. Its admitting a lost season which really doesn't fly, but its the quickest way to get back into things considering how depleted their talent is.
How could you trade Andy Dalton Jr.  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/26/2017 2:09 pm : link
Most over paid player in the NFL. He's become a solid QB. But 25 million for Kirk Cousins. Seriously. Yes. In a heartbeat
Absolutely  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2017 2:13 pm : link
Kerry Collins Jr - piles up a bunch of yards without a bunch of TDs to go with it and crumbles in big games.
no way...  
BillKo : 4/26/2017 2:14 pm : link
I'd try to build around him.

He's still young, durable, and plays pretty well and it's not out of the question he gets better and he starts to gain more experience and understands defenses.

Trading him would be a move a bad franchise makes.........
RE: Absolutely  
Go Terps : 4/26/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13443102 Greg from LI said:
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Kerry Collins Jr - piles up a bunch of yards without a bunch of TDs to go with it and crumbles in big games.


I hadn't thought of that...that is a really good comp.
the GM should be fired, so i guess i'd be out of an NFL job again  
rasbutant : 4/26/2017 2:14 pm : link
Why would another team want him and give up multiple picks?
And the Redskins not want him and trade him for picks?

Because the relationship is not good and the other team feels like he fits there system.

If the relationship is bad, that's on the GM/Head Coach, and they should probably be fired. Good QB's (not talking great, just good) are hard to come by. Teams like buffalo, have spent tons of resources trying to find one, and here they are giving one away?
If Cousins won't sign a long term  
mrvax : 4/26/2017 2:18 pm : link
deal with the Skins as a fact, this is what I do:

1. Trade him yesterday for the best 2017 pick you can get.
2. Allow the team to suck for 2017.
3. Get the best rookie QB you can next draft.

Problem solved.
Actually, he isn't that young  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2017 2:20 pm : link
He'll be 29 by Opening Day.
He'll be 29 in August.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2017 2:21 pm : link
If healthy should have at least 7 more productive years..He's a good QB. Not great, good. If I'm the Browns I'd trade for him, especially with all the high picks I have
my point regarding his age is that he isn't likely to improve  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2017 2:23 pm : link
He is who he is at this point. Decent QB, not someone you break the bank for.
No, It's similar to what Dallas faced with Romo  
larryflower37 : 4/26/2017 2:26 pm : link
before the last deal.
Is he the ideal QB to win a championship? maybe not but you do not have a championship QB in the wings.
Cousin is Washington's best option and he has proven he can give up 9 to 11 wins with a good cast around him.

They are called "Prospects" for a reason. The so called great QB draft next year could fall apart this college season. (injuries, poor play, Etc).
You know what you have with Cousins and he has the skill set that could still develop into a championship QB.
Romo was/is lightyears better than Cousins  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2017 2:33 pm : link
and thankfully for us he was snakebit in regards to playoff success.

That Washington defense was ranked 28th each of the past 2 years. That has as much to do with Cousins numbers as anything else.
RE: How could you trade Andy Dalton Jr.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13443097 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Most over paid player in the NFL. He's become a solid QB. But 25 million for Kirk Cousins. Seriously. Yes. In a heartbeat


I'd rather have him than Andy Dalton. Neither is great, but Dalton is a player who has been propped up by a tremendous amount of talent around him and as it dissipates, gets exposed more and more.
I wouldnt trade him and wouldnt even listen to any offer unless  
est1986 : 4/26/2017 2:40 pm : link
It includes a top 5 pick this year and a projected top 5 pick next year.. SF and CLE have the ammo for a Don Corleone "offer you cant refuse" deal for pretty much anyone. Will they? Cousins is good but hes not my guy but maybe Sasha or Lynch think otherwise.
Regardless Cousins is a free man come the end of the year  
JohnB : 4/26/2017 2:40 pm : link
So any team getting him is renting him for 16 games and then he is a free agent open to any and all bidders.

What can the Redskins get in return for that? They might get a 3rd or maybe if they are lucky a 2nd rounder in 2018, not much more than that. Any GM giving up more than that should be fired on the spot.
***auto correct  
est1986 : 4/26/2017 2:42 pm : link
Sashi
They'd have to find  
RinR : 4/26/2017 2:49 pm : link
a trading partner that feels they can sign him before the end of the season. Not sure there are many, if any, of those out there right now.
RE: Regardless Cousins is a free man come the end of the year  
Beer Man : 4/26/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13443187 JohnB said:
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So any team getting him is renting him for 16 games and then he is a free agent open to any and all bidders.

What can the Redskins get in return for that? They might get a 3rd or maybe if they are lucky a 2nd rounder in 2018, not much more than that. Any GM giving up more than that should be fired on the spot.
Not necessarily. Any team making a trade for Cousin would make it contingent on him signing a long term deal.
If Cousins contract  
therealmf : 4/26/2017 2:57 pm : link
demand is truly $25 million you're not going to get a lot of trade partners. Reportedly the Skins offered a deal average $20 million but with low guaranteed money.
I'd Try to Trade Him To SF  
Suburbanites : 4/26/2017 3:12 pm : link
For the second overall pick and sign Cutler or some other tourniquet QB to bridge them to next years QB rich draft. Of course SF would have to be willing to do this and I'm thinking John Lynch wouldn't. With the number 2 overall pick and their own 1st round pick they could come out of this draft with Solomon Thomas or Jamal Adams as well as someone like Jarrad Davis. Think of the defense the Redskins could have.
RE: If Cousins contract  
est1986 : 4/26/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13443245 therealmf said:
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demand is truly $25 million you're not going to get a lot of trade partners. Reportedly the Skins offered a deal average $20 million but with low guaranteed money.


Yeah but who wants to play for the Redskins? He might want a different location.
RE: RE: If I was Washington this is what I would do  
Sonic Youth : 4/26/2017 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13443088 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13443079 Jay on the Island said:


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I would trade Cousins for a 2018 1st round pick and a 3rd this year. I would then take a developmental QB this year like Peterman in round 4. Obviously the Redskins would be among the worst teams in football but then they would have a shot at either Darnold or Allen plus another first round pick to help add talent around them.



I'd do something like this too. Its admitting a lost season which really doesn't fly, but its the quickest way to get back into things considering how depleted their talent is.
Darnold is the real deal. I'd be pissed if Washington got him. Guy looks Eli and Rodgers.
It's  
AcidTest : 4/26/2017 3:49 pm : link
too close to the draft to do it now, because as somebody said, nobody would trade for him unless he agreed to a long term contract. And there isn't enough time to do that before the draft. Teams also know he's not likely to resign with the Redskins, so why give up draft picks to trade for him? The Redskins would have to take a major discount to trade him. He's gone after this year.
I don't know...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/26/2017 4:11 pm : link
if the Giants didn't have a legit QB I'd consider trading for Cousins. Obviously, a long-term deal would have to be worked out. But it seems to me like he's a guy who you could build around.

It is easy to discount the difficulty of getting a top QB. Even if he is Kerry Collins Jr, you have to look around the league and see who is able to get you that kind of production on a regular basis, and then ask the question of when will they become available?

I have a suspicion that what Cousins wants is some respect - a team that is willing to say they believe in him and is willing to pay good money (and picks) to get him. I suspect he might be willing to sign for less if the team was legit.

Cleveland is in a good position this year, but really if I were Washington what I'd want is picks in next year's draft. It seems that generally speaking a pick next year is valued one round higher than a pick this year, so getting a 3rd this year would be like getting a 2nd next year. I'd ask for several of next years' picks and then use them to trade up high in the draft to get a real franchise QB.

As mentioned already, it would mean going into this season with a big question mark at QB, but if Washington doesn't think they're going to be able to sign him next year, what good would it do to play out an 8-8 season and get maybe a 3rd round comp pick next year?
No unless Cousins tells them he is leaving  
dpinzow : 4/26/2017 6:13 pm : link
Then they would have no choice
RE: RE: RE: If I was Washington this is what I would do  
dpinzow : 4/26/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13443278 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 13443079 Jay on the Island said:


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I would trade Cousins for a 2018 1st round pick and a 3rd this year. I would then take a developmental QB this year like Peterman in round 4. Obviously the Redskins would be among the worst teams in football but then they would have a shot at either Darnold or Allen plus another first round pick to help add talent around them.



I'd do something like this too. Its admitting a lost season which really doesn't fly, but its the quickest way to get back into things considering how depleted their talent is.

Darnold is the real deal. I'd be pissed if Washington got him. Guy looks Eli and Rodgers.


They would have to be the worst team in the league or close to it to trade enough assets to get the top pick in 2018 and get Darnold. Washington isn't a complete scrub team and they'll win at least 6 games unless they are destroyed by injuries, including Cousins
I think Cousins should be a keeper, but to me, you better have  
Jimmy Googs : 4/26/2017 6:30 pm : link
a Super Bowl on your resume to get $20M+/year...
RE: RE: Absolutely  
djm : 4/26/2017 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13443106 Go Terps said:
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In comment 13443102 Greg from LI said:


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Kerry Collins Jr - piles up a bunch of yards without a bunch of TDs to go with it and crumbles in big games.



I hadn't thought of that...that is a really good comp.


I think cousins is a little better than Collins but I'd trade him in the right kind of deal. Let's be honest the Skins are kind of in a damned if you don't or don't situation. We don't know if other teams are knocking down the skins door either. For all we know interest is lukewarm.
RE: RE: How could you trade Andy Dalton Jr.  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/26/2017 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13443180 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13443097 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Most over paid player in the NFL. He's become a solid QB. But 25 million for Kirk Cousins. Seriously. Yes. In a heartbeat



I'd rather have him than Andy Dalton. Neither is great, but Dalton is a player who has been propped up by a tremendous amount of talent around him and as it dissipates, gets exposed more and more.


Cousins had his best year last year and much like Dalton was propped up by an above average receiver corps. And much like Dalton in big moments Cousins seems to shrink as well. And at 25 million Cousins is way way over paid compared to Dalton. I don't think either guy ever sniffs a Super Bowl.
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