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NFT: Yankees (11-7) @ Red Sox (11-8), Wednesday Ed.

RasputinPrime : 4/26/2017 5:23 pm
1. Brett Gardner (L) LF .182/.318/.236
2. Chase Headley (S) 3B .339/.431/.565
3. Matt Holliday (R) DH .217/.379/.391
4. Jacoby Ellsbury (L) CF .333/.380/.455
5. Starlin Castro (R) 2B .357/.400/.571
6. Aaron Judge (R) RF .279/.343/.639
7. Greg Bird (L) 1B .104/.204/.229
8. Austin Romine (R) CA .324/.381/.459
9. Ronald Torreyes (R) SS .293/.293/.431

Luis Severino (R): (20 IP, 4.05 ERA)
vs.
Rick Porcello (R): (23.2 IP, 5.32 ERA

1. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS .333/.377/.351
2. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF .347/.415/.444
3. Mookie Betts (R) RF .313/.389/.469
4. Mitch Moreland (L) 1B .315/.390/.548
5. Hanley Ramirez (R) DH .210/.269/.306
6. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF .280/.345/.480
7. Josh Rutledge (R) 3B
8. Marco Hernandez (L) 2B .286/.324/.314
9. Sandy Leon (S) CA .205/.222/.318
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This Red Sox team  
section125 : 4/26/2017 10:35 pm : link
doesn't really "scare" me. Too many light hitters. As much as we despised Ortiz, he scared the shit out of you. Mookie Betts??? Nah. Benitendi?? Nope.
Nice  
djm : 4/26/2017 10:35 pm : link
Win!

Severino....this is good.
RE: I'm guessing even with all the rest that Chapman is unavailable tom  
Del Shofner : 4/26/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13443993 DennyInDenville said:
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Just due to the pitches and discomfort


Personally, I don't think that's so bad - we have some other good pitchers out there. It's a deep bullpen.
RE: This Red Sox team  
Del Shofner : 4/26/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13443995 section125 said:
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doesn't really "scare" me. Too many light hitters. As much as we despised Ortiz, he scared the shit out of you. Mookie Betts??? Nah. Benitendi?? Nope.


I'm with you on that. The Orioles worry me more than the Bosox.
Our young position players stack up well with theirs.  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2017 10:43 pm : link
We'll have to catch up on the pitching side, but we will.
per YES, Yanks have best run differential in MLB at +32 -  
Del Shofner : 4/26/2017 10:56 pm : link
- so ... we're not exactly sucking so far.
watching the Romine interview -  
Del Shofner : 4/26/2017 11:11 pm : link
he's a pretty major dude. Can't believe we have Sanchez coming back too. May need some DH at bats to keep Romine involved.
RE: watching the Romine interview -  
DennyInDenville : 4/26/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13444049 Del Shofner said:
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he's a pretty major dude. Can't believe we have Sanchez coming back too. May need some DH at bats to keep Romine involved.

Agreed for sure DH Sanchez every 2-3 days no doubt especially if Holliday or Carter don't get hot.

That allows you to just play Sanchez every day basically with an occasional day off once a month or two.

Or, he could be part of a trade package for a stud starting pitcher next year or this year.
RE: RE: I'm guessing even with all the rest that Chapman is unavailable tom  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13444000 Del Shofner said:
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Just due to the pitches and discomfort



Personally, I don't think that's so bad - we have some other good pitchers out there. It's a deep bullpen.


They're also facing Sale tomorrow. He's been untouchable. I'm not conceding anything but if they're in a position where they'd even considering using Chap in the first place tomorrow, something went well...
I miss Andrew Miller ....  
Manny in CA : 4/27/2017 12:41 am : link



I know, the team had to move on, (get young prospects) but man, I sure hope the Yankees don't regret it.

Miller just had that "something special".
Why would they regret trading Andrew Miller?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/27/2017 1:20 am : link
They have the lowest bullpen ERA in baseball. This was the first run Chapman has allowed this season.
I''d  
Phil in LA : 4/27/2017 2:19 am : link
Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.
great show again by Severino. And at least 7 innings again.  
Victor in CT : 4/27/2017 8:22 am : link
and Judge has just been terrific. good fielder, plays hard, really maturing as a hitter. And so athletic for a 280+ guy.
RE: I''d  
section125 : 4/27/2017 8:42 am : link
In comment 13444103 Phil in LA said:
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Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.


You might be right, but after watching Higgie's games vs Romine's (I mean calling the game), Romine appears to call a much better game. I know Tony Pena will make some of the calls from the bench, but Romine just appears to call a better game.
RE: great show again by Severino. And at least 7 innings again.  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2017 8:42 am : link
In comment 13444199 Victor in CT said:
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and Judge has just been terrific. good fielder, plays hard, really maturing as a hitter. And so athletic for a 280+ guy.


Yup. It's looking like we'll be pretty competitive this year even while "rebuilding" - the kids are all right. Tonight we're playing with house money against Sale - Tanaka has something to prove, wouldn't surprise me if he comes out and pitches well.

Didi may be in the lineup tomorrow night at the Stadium.
Am I the last person to know that Clay Bellinger's son  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 8:56 am : link
is a big time prospect for the Dodgers? Man, that makes me feel very old.
Also, here's a fun stat for you  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 8:58 am : link
Aaron Judge has 18 hits. Ten of them have gone for extra bases.
If we're trading a C, I'd rather send higgy packing and keep Romine  
Heisenberg : 4/27/2017 9:11 am : link
Romine is the perfect backup.
Great to see Severino change speeds a little  
Jeever : 4/27/2017 9:24 am : link
Can't keep pumping high 90's. They'll catch up to it sooner or later.
RE: Also, here's a fun stat for you  
bigbluehoya : 4/27/2017 9:25 am : link
In comment 13444282 Greg from LI said:
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Aaron Judge has 18 hits. Ten of them have gone for extra bases.


And 3 or 4 of the other 8 were almost involuntary manslaughter.
He always had the stuff to succeed  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 9:30 am : link
That was obvious. He's learning how to really pitch now. He was still throwing gas in the 7th, too. His second to last pitch was 99.
I am so fired up about this team right now.  
bceagle05 : 4/27/2017 10:12 am : link
Severino and Judge were playing for their jobs coming into the season (at least in the short term) and both put the work in during the offseason and spring training to get better. Says a lot about them. If they're gonna be impact players then we REALLY have a strong foundation of youth. Now we just gotta get Bird going a bit...
Bird will figure it out  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:35 am : link
Severino looked awful last year, after all. Talent is talent, and we saw what Bird could do two years ago. He might need a spell in Scranton to straighten up, but I have faith.
^^^^  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2017 10:36 am : link
I'm with you on that.

I assume we'll see Hicks for Gardner tonight, and maybe Carter for Bird. It might look something like this:

Ellsbury
Hicks
Holliday
Castro
Headley
Judge
Carter
Romine
Torreyes
Yeah, I'd say those are pretty easy calls  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:41 am : link
Really can't wait to get Sanchez back. Romine has done an outstanding job filling in, much better than I ever expected, but we need another power bat.
Carter vs Sale  
giants#1 : 4/27/2017 10:49 am : link
just save some time and book it as 3 Ks...
RE: Carter vs Sale  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13444601 giants#1 said:
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just save some time and book it as 3 Ks...


Wouldn't be any different with Bird.
RE: If we're trading a C, I'd rather send higgy packing and keep Romine  
mitch300 : 4/27/2017 10:58 am : link
In comment 13444313 Heisenberg said:
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Romine is the perfect backup.

You can get a lot more for Romine right now. What can you get for a guy who has been in the minors for 8 years.
RE: RE: Carter vs Sale  
giants#1 : 4/27/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13444637 Greg from LI said:
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just save some time and book it as 3 Ks...



Wouldn't be any different with Bird.


He had a nice Monster hit yesterday!
That was a routine fly out in any other ballpark  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 11:00 am : link
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RE: I''d  
Matt M. : 4/27/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13444103 Phil in LA said:
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Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.
I agree. But, I also wanted Higgy to make the squad out of the Spring, in the first place.
RE: I miss Andrew Miller ....  
Matt M. : 4/27/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13444095 Manny in CA said:
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I know, the team had to move on, (get young prospects) but man, I sure hope the Yankees don't regret it.

Miller just had that "something special".
What's to miss? Chapman was the closer when both were available, Betances is doing very well in the 8th inning role, and their bullpen overall has been outstanding. Miller was an awesome weapon for them, but they are succeeding and got high prospects to rebuild/retool with. They made the right move trading him last year.
RE: That was a routine fly out in any other ballpark  
giants#1 : 4/27/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13444663 Greg from LI said:
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Hey, hits like that (and roids) saved Ortiz's career!
RE: RE: I''d  
BigBlueShock : 4/27/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13444795 Matt M. said:
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Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.

I agree. But, I also wanted Higgy to make the squad out of the Spring, in the first place.

You also wanted Severino in the minors
RE: RE: That was a routine fly out in any other ballpark  
mfsd : 4/27/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13444811 giants#1 said:
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Hey, hits like that (and roids) saved Ortiz's career!


Half of Pedroias career doubles at home are fly outs in any other park too
RE: RE: RE: I''d  
Matt M. : 4/27/2017 11:57 am : link
In comment 13444812 BigBlueShock said:
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Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.

I agree. But, I also wanted Higgy to make the squad out of the Spring, in the first place.


You also wanted Severino in the minors
What does one thing have to do with another? I never questioned Severino's talent. I said if they wanted him in the pen he could pitch at a high level immediately. I thought, based on his last 2 seasons plus weighing in this Spring Training heavily that if they wanted him to start (which they did), he needed work, which should be done in the minors. I was wrong, but I would also guess that he is doing something differently than he did all spring. He looks like a completely different pitcher. It's not really crazy to have suggested he had issues to work out.

Now, people are crediting time he spent with Pedro Martinez this offseason with his success. Why didn't that translate in the spring? I don't know. But, something is clicking now and this is the pitcher I expected 2 years ago.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I''d  
section125 : 4/27/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13444849 Matt M. said:
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Quote:He looks like a completely different pitcher. It's not really crazy to have suggested he had issues to work out.

Now, people are crediting time he spent with Pedro Martinez this offseason with his success. Why didn't that translate in the spring? I don't know. But, something is clicking now and this is the pitcher I expected 2 years ago.


Matt, I wanted Sevy to go to SWB, too. But what we don't know is what Girardi had him working on in ST. Pitchers will work on developing a pitch or their mechanics in ST because it doesn't count and they pitch against MLB hitters. So tey get whatever it is they were working on sorted out and then the season starts and they go to their normal pitching with the new pitch developed with confidence. (IMHO that is what he was doing in ST).

I think Pedro definitely helped, although he really isn't throwing the change up that often. I think 97/98 on a cold night in Boston gave him an advantage wit his FB, so he didn't need the change.
The biggest issue with Severino is he's making less mistakes  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/27/2017 1:39 pm : link
over the plate. Any sliders over the plate recently are usually "get me over" 1st pitch strike attempts. Otherwise, his misses are off the plate. His fastball location last night reminded me of Phil Hughes when he came up, only with 8-10 extra MPH.

Gotta give Romine a lot of credit for mixing up pitches as much as possible with a guy throwing mostly fastballs and sliders.
Hey!!!  
Dan in the Springs : 4/27/2017 1:58 pm : link
I missed the game yesterday, but following the protocol chalked it up to a loss since RP did the thread starter. WTF? Can't count on anything anymore...

Buncha no-good asshats steering me wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I''d  
BigBlueShock : 4/27/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13444849 Matt M. said:
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Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.

I agree. But, I also wanted Higgy to make the squad out of the Spring, in the first place.


You also wanted Severino in the minors

What does one thing have to do with another? I never questioned Severino's talent. I said if they wanted him in the pen he could pitch at a high level immediately. I thought, based on his last 2 seasons plus weighing in this Spring Training heavily that if they wanted him to start (which they did), he needed work, which should be done in the minors. I was wrong, but I would also guess that he is doing something differently than he did all spring. He looks like a completely different pitcher. It's not really crazy to have suggested he had issues to work out.

Now, people are crediting time he spent with Pedro Martinez this offseason with his success. Why didn't that translate in the spring? I don't know. But, something is clicking now and this is the pitcher I expected 2 years ago.

As section said, you weren't the only one that thought they should start him in the minors. But you by far the most vocal about it. And when posters tried explaining to you that just maybe the Yankees had a better pulse on the situation than we all do, you shrugged it off as being preposterous. You were adamant about it and kept littering thread after thread about it. You absolutely deserve a little good natured ball busting after the back and fourths this spring. You were wrong, no need to make excuses as to why. The "why" is EXACTLY what posters were trying to say to you back then.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I''d  
rich in DC : 4/27/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13445007 section125 said:
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Quote:He looks like a completely different pitcher. It's not really crazy to have suggested he had issues to work out.

Now, people are crediting time he spent with Pedro Martinez this offseason with his success. Why didn't that translate in the spring? I don't know. But, something is clicking now and this is the pitcher I expected 2 years ago.



Matt, I wanted Sevy to go to SWB, too. But what we don't know is what Girardi had him working on in ST. Pitchers will work on developing a pitch or their mechanics in ST because it doesn't count and they pitch against MLB hitters. So tey get whatever it is they were working on sorted out and then the season starts and they go to their normal pitching with the new pitch developed with confidence. (IMHO that is what he was doing in ST).

I think Pedro definitely helped, although he really isn't throwing the change up that often. I think 97/98 on a cold night in Boston gave him an advantage wit his FB, so he didn't need the change.


It wasn't just the change-up that Pedro worked with him on. It was also his delivery and some "talking to" about some of the finer points of pitching. I wonder why more Dominican pitchers aren't knocking down Pedro's door for help? Several of the Yanks top pitching prospects are also Dominican- if I were them, I would be hounding Severino for Pedro's phone number and beg for some help too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I''d  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13445007 section125 said:
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I think Pedro definitely helped, although he really isn't throwing the change up that often.


He's not throwing that many overall, but he's throwing almost all of them to lefties.
He seems to be doing some little things  
bigbluehoya : 4/27/2017 3:15 pm : link
That are making a big difference.

Seems to me like he has a couple of little variations on the slider. It may be just a matter of changing speed with that pitch a little bit or possibly varying the tightness on the grip.

He also seems to be varying the timing a little bit on the leg kick in his delivery, which I think is messing up the hitters' timing ever so slightly. When you're trying to get around on 98, I'd bet it can really screw with you.
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Matt M. : 4/27/2017 3:18 pm : link
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Trade high on Romine and keep Higgy. Romine' s been out of options and hard to trade till now.

I agree. But, I also wanted Higgy to make the squad out of the Spring, in the first place.


You also wanted Severino in the minors

What does one thing have to do with another? I never questioned Severino's talent. I said if they wanted him in the pen he could pitch at a high level immediately. I thought, based on his last 2 seasons plus weighing in this Spring Training heavily that if they wanted him to start (which they did), he needed work, which should be done in the minors. I was wrong, but I would also guess that he is doing something differently than he did all spring. He looks like a completely different pitcher. It's not really crazy to have suggested he had issues to work out.

Now, people are crediting time he spent with Pedro Martinez this offseason with his success. Why didn't that translate in the spring? I don't know. But, something is clicking now and this is the pitcher I expected 2 years ago.


As section said, you weren't the only one that thought they should start him in the minors. But you by far the most vocal about it. And when posters tried explaining to you that just maybe the Yankees had a better pulse on the situation than we all do, you shrugged it off as being preposterous. You were adamant about it and kept littering thread after thread about it. You absolutely deserve a little good natured ball busting after the back and fourths this spring. You were wrong, no need to make excuses as to why. The "why" is EXACTLY what posters were trying to say to you back then.
I don't recall ever getting a reply explaining why he shouldn't go down. I never said it was preposterous, although, I do admit to not thinking there was any known justification for keeping him up. It didn't seem like he was working on anything in Spring Training counter to what he is doing now, but it is possible.
Several posters said...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/27/2017 4:22 pm : link
Sevy shouldn't go down because he had nothing to prove against MiLB hitters. You either didn't get there point at the time or you have selective memory on the discussions.

Also - I remember specifically posting that he was likely working on pitch technique. Nobody knew he was going to be this hot to start, but there was a debate for a reason, because we didn't all see it the same way.
Sevi's control has been outstanding. Outside corner and down  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 4:26 pm : link
in the zone. Painting the black. when you can do that at 98 and throw in a tight slider that looks just like a fastball early on you're gonna be deadly. The changeup helps too, but his control and power have made him very difficult to hit, imo.
Michael Kay just said that Didi  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 4:55 pm : link
is going to be back with the team tomorrow against the Orioles. Great news.
RE: Sevi's control has been outstanding. Outside corner and down  
rich in DC : 4/27/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13445347 yatqb said:
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in the zone. Painting the black. when you can do that at 98 and throw in a tight slider that looks just like a fastball early on you're gonna be deadly. The changeup helps too, but his control and power have made him very difficult to hit, imo.


It isn't so much "control" as "command." Most ML SP have the control to throw strikes and get the ball over the plate- but it is a finer line to have the command to put the ball where you intend it to go.

In other words, it is one thing to simply throw a FB and get a strike. It is another for the C to call for a FB low and away- and have enough command of the pitch to get it down and away where the C is set up.

How often do you see a C set up on one side of the plate, only to have to come back to the other to get the ball? Happens rather often actually. However, what Severino has most improved upon is getting the ball where he and the C want it- which makes it easier for the C to move him around the zone and "set up" a hitter for a specific pitch.

Even more specifically- Severino has demonstrated that "command touch" on his off-speed stuff. It is no longer just "get it over the plate" control, but actual command- that he can get it where he wants it to go.

It all shows up in the numbers- if you look back at his numbers over the past two seasons, you see a LOT of walks (over 3 per 9 innings on average) and a LOT of hits (more than a hit per inning), indicating that he was not getting the ball where he wanted it to go- unable to hit corners or the black- or leaving it over the plate for the hitter to smash.

Look at the numbers this season and you see MUCH fewer hits and even fewer walks. In short, he is getting the ball where his C believes the hitter either cannot get to it, will be fooled by the pitch, or simply cannot catch up to it.

THAT is the difference- and that is what Pedro appears to have drilled home into his head- it isn't about throwing strikes and high velo- you have to have a plan and know you can put the ball where you want it. That separates the guys who throw 95+, but are #5 SP or relievers from the guy who is a front-of-the-rotation SP.
rich, we mean the same thing. He's hitting his spots.  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 5:15 pm : link
And those spots are hard for a batter to do anything productive with. Greg Maddox, but throwing 98. (I know, I wish...but these last two starts he did have total command, using your term.)
Can we sign up Pedro to work with CC  
River : 4/27/2017 5:30 pm : link
Before the Redsox get him to get Porcello right?
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