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In round 1. I honestly understand the need to add an OT but why do I feel that this guy is not right for us in round 1? I want our 1st rounder to come in and start right away. Will he be able to unset Flowers? His drug use and age and Dave Te's opinion make me feel like this will be a back pick.
I like Sy 56 top OT of McDermott I round 3 better.
on Bolles....after sleeping on it I'm warming up to this.
2. GARETT BOLLES, Utah (6-5, 299, 4.98, 1): Will turn 25 next month after a troubled past in which he was kicked out of five schools and arrested for vandalizing a rival school’s field. “You name it, I’ve done it,” Bolles told kutv.com, adding that he was headed “down the wrong path to prison.” A married couple became his guardians, and his life began to turn around. Played two seasons in junior college and one for the Utes before declaring a year early. “Tough past,” said one scout. “One-year player. Very athletic. You like the up side. Concerned about the package.” Added another scout: “Tell me how many guys have been first round that are 25 or older? I’ll say this. Teams that have spent time with him, he gets football. Loves it. He’ll give you every ounce of soul, that kid.” Scored 9 on the Wonderlic, leading to questions whether he can retain an NFL system and make rapid pre-snap adjustments. “He saw the light,” said a third scout. “He’s got great feet and range. He’s aggressive and tenacious.” From Lehi, Utah. Married, couple has a son. “Really athletic and tough … he’s the most talented of all of them (tackles),” a fourth scout said. “He’s got to get stronger. That’s his weak point. Plays hard. You wish he was 21 or 22.”
think it will be Bolles. I'm OK with the pick, because of his feet, and nastiness. But I'd much rather have an edge rusher like Bowser, or trade down. I don't want Reese trading up for Bolles. It would be too expensive.
I can't criticize the idea of taking Bolles enough when you have better players, better talent, with better character.
I pray to the heavens this is smoke to get someone to reach earlier for him.
I don't know how a GM nor a scout could say "yeah, this 25 yr old guy with limited college play, and major character concerns, and concerns about ability to adapt and pick up the nuts and bolts of the mental side of the game. He's our guy.
This would easily be the worst 1st round pick by Reese and Ross if they go through with it.
I think the character concerns are actually a positive with Bolles. It's a great story, he came from rock bottom and turned his life around, his married with a son now. Don't think teams would consider him a 1st round prospect if they thought those issues weren't behind him.
RE: The beat reporters pretty much stand for the Â
Did any beat writer mention Apple as a possibility last year? IIRC, most had the top two targets as Conklin and Floyd. If those two really were at the top of the Giants board, I would hope the front office learned from last year and is more tight lipped.
would be around BPA for 23, he's considered in the 17-30 range. They might not consider Lamp high because they don't view him as a tackle, strictly a guard.
I think the character concerns are actually a positive with Bolles. It's a great story, he came from rock bottom and turned his life around, his married with a son now. Don't think teams would consider him a 1st round prospect if they thought those issues weren't behind him.
Teams only look at recent history and forget the longer track record or not the other big picture. You have to worry once he gets his guaranteed contract, does he slip? He's not a young guy. This is a risky pick. He's not a guy who I've seen or heard from football people, can move inside to Guard. Above the norm risk. I would root hard for him but I'm not the least bit supportive of drafting him.
I'm with you, originally I was just eh on Bolles, didn't see it. But the more you read and watch, dude is a freak athletically and can really move. Best feet and it's not even close. Watch his USC clips...he was dominating out there.
Bolles immediately starting at RT, and I think his game might translate better to that side anyway, as he's more of nasty mauler more than anything. Him swinging out for running blocks on the right side would be something we haven't seen in years. But if he beats Flowers out at LT...so be it.
Is coming in and playing up to a high level. It's rare even for Guards to come in and dominate. Any OL you take is a 1-2 yr development process. Bolles is already 25. If OL is such an issue that we have to force a pick and pray he can play lights out right away, we are not a SB contender and Reese has failed in his job in regards to solidifying the offensive line to allow one more run.
DT or DE. Not sure who. If not DL, then one of the CBs or S Â
fall through and they grab. JPP had 4 thing cleaned up in that surgery. OV played almost every down last year. Hankins is gone. THey need help up front.
DRC always has nagging injuries and is a year older. A CB would also make alot of sense. Or one of the stud Ss if they fall to them.
Have struggled playing in NFL right away because of the speed and power echelon in the players at the NFL. Also a lot of these OL play in offenses that don't fit to the NFL style of offense. Outside of a couple OL who played in offenses that were more balanced and equally emphasized pass protection, look at the OL and how many flame out or struggle their first few years.
Have struggled playing in NFL right away because of the speed and power echelon in the players at the NFL. Also a lot of these OL play in offenses that don't fit to the NFL style of offense. Outside of a couple OL who played in offenses that were more balanced and equally emphasized pass protection, look at the OL and how many flame out or struggle their first few years.
That's why I'd probably not go Oline first round. Too many other needs who could contribute right away. This is a poor oline draft, and it's likely that at best any player who comes in may only do so at guard.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
And I don't get all the Bolles chatter. If you're taking a 25 year old with a checkered past in the first round, he'd better be a damned sight better than Bolles is.
Just getting a bad vibe about this draft based off of the media chatter.
I wouldn't necessarily love the pick. But OL is a pretty big need and Bolles is considered the 1st or 2nd best one of the class by most scouts. At pick 23, we aren't getting many sure things anyway.
For the Giants it makes sense. They likely see Cam/Lamp as Guards, and are scared off of Ram's injury history. If you buy the Giants saying Fluker is coming here as a Guard then this makes sense. Bolles is the best pure tackle in the draft and could step in at RT and battle for the LT job.
He will put on weight, all players do. Pugh was lighter too. I also don't get the 25 yr old argument. So what, since when does 25 make you old. He can still put on 10-15 pounds. The guy is athletic, has good height and size, and is mean.
Also all reports I have read have these 4 guys slated for the late first, which is where we pick, so I don't see how you an say the value isn't there. Unless someone really slides down, these guys represent the "proper" value for us at 23.
Danny Watkins comparisons. Watkins was a guard and not nearly close to the athlete Bolles is. And Bolles is a tackle. Are we using Watkins because he was old and was a bust?
I really like Lamp as well...but I just don't ever see Reese taking a guard (they thought Pugh would be a tackle) in the first round of a draft. He simply values the premier positions more, and I can't blame him. If you could guarantee that Lamp is Zack Martin then you do it...but it's never a guarantee.
Danny Watkins comparisons. Watkins was a guard and not nearly close to the athlete Bolles is. And Bolles is a tackle. Are we using Watkins because he was old and was a bust?
That's why I was comparing them because of the age not because of the skill level or position. Bolles was playing against kids 3-5 years younger than him and now he is going to be playing against grown men. What I meant was the risk is very high with Bolles and he still has a lot of work to do to before he is a finished product.
the thing with Watkins: he really didn't want to play football, he wanted to be a fireman and that's why he ended up not being a player, his heart wasn't in it. Say what you want about Bolles but folks are saying he loves the game.
I really like Lamp as well...but I just don't ever see Reese taking a guard (they thought Pugh would be a tackle) in the first round of a draft. He simply values the premier positions more, and I can't blame him. If you could guarantee that Lamp is Zack Martin then you do it...but it's never a guarantee.
I agree with everything you said and I was not advocating taking an OL in round 1. I would rather take Davis, Bowser, Charlton, Willis, and even Wormley instead of Bolles.
based on the way the draft falls of course, is the Giants will go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2, in either order. So, that could mean they go Watt/Bowser in round 1 and then someone like Dawkins or Moton in round 2....OR Bolles/Ramcyzk round 1, Walker/Wormley/Anderson round 2.
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
the thing with Watkins: he really didn't want to play football, he wanted to be a fireman and that's why he ended up not being a player, his heart wasn't in it. Say what you want about Bolles but folks are saying he loves the game.
I didn't realize Watkins' heart wasn't in it. I remember back in that draft where he was supposed to be a sure thing who would be an impact guard from day one.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
Smith was only 20 years old and was/is a much better athlete. This is not a good comparison as Smith was still growing and like all draft picks he needed to get stronger.
Keep dreaming. Smith was my #1 OT and a Top 10 pick all day long. His combine weigh in was at 307#. Do your homework before you embarrass yourself some more.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
in a deep but wide draft. After the top guys who'll go well before we pick, it doesn't seem like there's much drop off until well into the second round. If anything this is the year to move down from the end of the first and pick up an extra second.
Don't really see the need to draft an oline player in the first who'll almost certainly not play tackle in the first year. It's fine if the quality was there but it's not in this draft class.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Id be suprised if McCaffrey makes it half way to 23.
I'm on the Bowser Wagon. If somehow, someway we could get Bowser 1 and Wormley or a DT 2 I don't really care what else we do as long as we address OL at some point.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Please, God, not a QB.
Edge rusher or offensive weapon works for me. You can throw a top-tier DB into that mix, too.
I agree. There likely won't be an OL or a TE who is BPA at 23. This is a deep TE draft so the Giants would be wise to take one in rounds 2-5. As for offensive line I hope the Giants take a chance on either Dawkins or Antonio Garcia on day two. Conor McDermott would be a great add in round 4 as he will need a year in an NFL strength and conditioning program before he is ready to play but his upside is very intriguing. I hope that our 1st round pick is Davis and if he is gone then Bowser. In round 2 I would be happy with Jordan Willis, Chris Wormley, Kpassagnon, Garcia, or Dawkins.
its hard to say a position is a need just because of a seem threat. Maybe just me, but I don't see the "football" in him. I see the athleticism, but he has rock hands. When I watch his highlights, even some of the easy catches he seems so unnatural. And no crispness to his routes.
I could get on board if we didn't spend money on Ellison or if this was a weak TE class. The pick just doesn't fit to me. Of course I know nothing, but just in terms of what is available later and what else we could upgrade at 23. I'd rather someone else in rd 1 and grab Hodges later.
Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
If any of the 1st four slip I trade up, otherwise I stay put and draft any of the last 3 and I feel REAL good about my first pick.
It's difficult to envision a trade up for players who have off the field red flag issues never mind taking them at 23. Not the Giants style. However, its very possible some of those names make it to 23.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
Great point. I've been wondering why King has been projected higher. He is a clean, athletic freak with size and skill. I've had a feeling he goes top 15 for a couple weeks now. With Conley maybe dropping a bit, I think the Eagles grab him at 12, but wouldn't be surprised if he's the first CB taken either in the top ten. The only knock on him I've seen has been his lanky frame and when you look at him, he looks similar to Sherman. I think he goes high.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Tend to agree but told the love is there.
Taking a QB at 23 where Eli still has years left is about the only thing I'd lose my shit over. I could see a second or 3rd rounder. But this team is built to win now, has a franchise QB and needs a few more pieces to be elite.
Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
Don't even give the Giants the chance at the more athletic Kyle Boller because I have no doubts they will take him if he's there right now.
I'm not against a QB, in theory (so long as the team isn't delusional about him sitting forever and they're willing to make the tough decision to move on from Eli a lot sooner than some BBIers may be), but this QB class reeks.
Year, some of you want to draft a project. I don't get it? Yes, they need a ot but, pick one in the 3rd or 4th when the value matches the need. First 3 players should be impact players. Big RB, olb and te, DT. You want players in those RDS. That can compete and contribute this year. Anyway Tonight will be the start, see what happens?
Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
This is another one of those labels I don't understand. Davis played MLB at Florida. I think he could be the next stud MLB in the league who can do it all -- something the Giants have not had.
The injuries are concerning but I think he's worth the risk considering the upside.
Davis could be Kuechly or Sean Lee. Imagine the impact on the defense.
I really don't want any of the O-linemen in the first Â
Call him what you will, but unless there's a strong pass-rush component to his game, it's difficult to see the Giants giving him a lot of consideration in the 1st round. I'm not saying they're right, I'm just trying to read the tea leaves.
Again the pundits speak of the obvious without thought to value. There is no blue chip OL in this draft then why would the Giants waste a pick on one rather than a player that will have immediate impact toward winning a championship. Do they need OL depth, without a doubt but, there are better value options further into the draft.
I think the Giant brain trust will focus on performance, athletic ability and highest ceiling. Using this criteria I think that either TJ Watt or Obi Melifonwu will be the pick.
TJ Watt would provide pressure as a situational pass rusher, would be stout at the point of attack against the run, would need to develop coverage technique but as a former TE should adapt quickly. He only has 2 years of playing D, so considering that his evolution to date, should become a dominant LB. TJ has the desired length at 6'4 1/2", athletic ability, intensity and motor to be successful in the pros. Finally the pedigree speaks for itself. Wouldn't we want a more athletic JJ Watt roaming the second level of our D?
Obi Melifonwu would fortify the Giants secondary into a match up nightmare for any O in the NFL. He is more athletically gifted than any DB in this years draft. He has the best length/speed/weight ratio in the entire class. Obi has been a starter since his freshman year, last year led his team in tackles 118 and interceptions 4. In the Giants D he would lock onto the opposing TE addressing a problem that has dogged the team for over a decade. Given his 6'4" height and 44" vertical and 4.4 speed, there isn't a TE in the NFL he wouldn't be able to cover. Obi could play anywhere in the secondary, giving DC great flexibility given the level of talent at his disposal.
Therefore considering value, immediate and long term return, these would be players I would give the consideration at 23. In a perfect world I would pick Watt at 23 and move up to take Obi in the second if available.
of picking Melifonwu in the 1st round. I don't think they will do it, but he is an athletic freak and could become a tremendous asset in the defensive backfield. He could be the Jason Bourne of DBs...
I would also be fine with Jarrad Davis. He is going to be a fine LB for somebody.
Kevin King would be a good pick as well.
I am really not a fan of Zach Cunningham or Taco Charlton or Jordan Willis in the first round. In the second or third? Fine, just not the 1st round.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
I would love that scenario for the first 2 picks. I've seen more of Budda Baker so I prefer him but getting a super athletic and versatile S and a pass rush option in Watt? That would get me fired up for the NYG defense!
Draft into the strength of what's available in RD1 Â
PArt of me wants them to draft 3 OL 1st 2nd and 3rd. If we go OL in the first I want Lamp, don't like Ram or Bolles rd 1. LB Davis or Foster. RB McCaffery only. QB Mahomes ...TE Howard only...none of those available trade back.
sit back and watch. I can't remember an off-season where the player assessments and predictions from the talking heads and so-called experts have been all over the board like this. Starting tonight, we will see how JR and company assess, rank and prioritize the talent.
1 - DE Myles Garrett
2 - SS Jamal Adams
3 - RB Leonard Fournette
4 - CB Marshon Lattimore
5 - FS Malik Hooker
6 - DT Jonathan Allen
7 - LB Reuben Foster
8 - TE OJ Howard
9 - DE Solomon Thomas
10 - RB Christian McCaffrey
11 - DE Derek Barnett
Those are my money players. Any of them fall to 18 I am moving up.
Then I go
12 - LT Cam Robinson
13 - LT Forrest Lamp
14 - WR Corey Davis (depending on his ankle)
15 - LB Jarrad Davis
16 - WR Mike Williams
17 - RB Dalvin Cook
18 - LT Garret Bolles
19 - TE David Njoku
20 - QB Mitch Trubisky
21 - LB Haason Reddick
22 - WR John Ross
23 - LB Zach Cunningham
not likely given projections.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
we met with two players from the Michigan D-line and not one was Taco Charlton. How could he NOT intrigue us?? Would not surprise me at all if he's our guy.
I think playmaker, DL and CB are the spots to keep an eye on.
As for DL, they have to love JPP and OV at the ends but they know they have to be able to keep them both fresh. OO has been very underwhelming so far, injured, and then followed that up with the uncertainty of those social media posts. With nothing else besides Kerry Wynn who is decent at best and the organizational value placed on getting to the QB, expect a DE on the earlier side or at least some other type of edge/pass rusher.
With corners, again look at the very high value the org places on the position. It is not lost on anyone what happened when DRC came out of that playoff game and Wade was exposed. There is also DRC's age and cap number to consider when keeping the CB pipeline stocked. As it is, with an early corner who can play from day 1, they would be entering camp 4 deep at the position which is nice.
As for playmakers (specifically TE or RB), I think this is where you might see what influence Mac has. If they strike on a player like Njoku or Cook or McCaffrey (if they fall), I think Mac would have alot to do with that.
"Need to draft an OT/OL" etc. Come draft time, "Don't want any OL".."Get a wr instead" etc
JS..Rinse Repeat season in season out
Do not confuse not wanting a First RD Olinemen with do not draft one. I don't think any of the 1st rd projections is worth it or that much better than what I can get in the 2nd and 3rd...
it takes to get him. We let his very talented dad slip through our fingers and we shouldn't miss the boat on his son. I don`t know one college player from another, but I saw enough film on him to say he ia a once in a decade player.
C'mon Jerry, whatever it takes.
The Broncos could use a left tackle to protect Paxton Lynch, and Bolles could be the target of teams trading up for him.
In his one season at Utah, Bolles (6-5, 297) showed that he is really talented with quick feet and athleticism on the edge. He also is tough in the ground game and plays with a physical mean streak. Bolles had a rough upbringing and some off-the-field issues, but a number of teams say he interviewed well at the combine and they feel he has matured. Some do have concerns about his ongoing mental health, however.
Bolles will need to work on pass protection for NFL speed rushers. He will also be significantly older than most rookies as he turns 25 a few weeks after the 2017 NFL Draft.
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23. New York Giants: Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple
The Giants wanted Jack Conklin last year, and he didn't make it to their pick. I think the same thing could happen this year with Garett Bolles. If Bolles is off the board, I think the Giants could look to upgrade their linebackers with a player like Reddick, Jarrad Davis or Zach Cunningham.
I've surveyed sources at teams, and they believe that Reddick will go somewhere in the first round. I personally am skeptical that he should go in Round 1 because he has a grand total of three practices and an exhibition game at his NFL position. I also agree with some scouting sources who believe it is a lot easier to transition by moving closer to the line of scrimmage rather than backing off of it. The position change is why some teams gave Reddick mid-round grades. Still, Reddick has a lot of teams that like him, so he should go in the first round.
Reddick (6-1, 237) was an edge rusher in college who has to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He showed that he can make that switch at the Senior Bowl as he flew around the field and was constantly around the ball. Still, sources with teams say that Reddick is a real project for the NFL and will take time to develop at linebacker considering he has no game experience there. In 2016, Reddick totaled 65 tackles with 22.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and three passes broken up. He was an excellent edge rusher, yet there were times where he got destroyed in the ground game.
After considering all the alternatives the NY Giants with the 23rd pick will select , if available, TJ Watt.
Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
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He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Dave Te has mentioned there has been noise in the building about Watt and Bowser in New Rutherford. Both guys have been mentioned as people of interest for the Giants.
After considering all the alternatives the NY Giants with the 23rd pick will select , if available, TJ Watt.
Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
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He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Nobody is talking about Watt to the Giants.
I agree. Would love to see TJ Watt in Giants Blue.
not likely given projections.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
Haven't seen you mention Jarrad Davis at all, either in a positive or negative sense. Have you got a feel on where the Giants stand with him? He and Walker look like the real deal.
I am definitely in the Bolles camp. I love Jarred Davis play but unless its Ruben Foster I just don't see the point at linebacker... I thought the LB corps player really well last season...Bolles could very well be a reach but tackle is the biggest problem facing this team now and for the foreseeable future. At the very least he pushes Flowers to be better and one of them plays on the right side
Thanks to Dave Te and Sy for all their information. It was very enjoyable to read.
If the Giants pick Defense at 23, I want Wormley. The D-Line of JPP, Wormley, Snacks, and Vernon would be awesome. He fills a need and is a big time talent. No question marks about him.
If the Giants pick Offense at 23, I want Lamp. The O-Line needs help. Lamp is going to be Pro Bowl caliber very quickly. Maybe not All Pro, Hall of Fame kind of guy. But a quality offensive lineman with position versatility.
Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
at 10 mins/round -- unless they trade up - that's 230 mins or close to 4 hours -- draft starts at 8pm -- The Giants will be picking somewhere between 11:30 and midnight
Quickest feet in the draft and is always in position against edge rushers. Will need help against bull rushers, so Pugh and others will be a big help to him. Flowers is not a LT and at best possibly a RT. Bolles is better than Flowers despite Flowers 2 years of additional pro experience. Flowers has proven he can not play LT.
we have experts on this site that have stated that Flowers was looking pretty good in the second half of last season - so I'm not sure he's proved that he can;t play LT
Quickest feet in the draft and is always in position against edge rushers. Will need help against bull rushers, so Pugh and others will be a big help to him. Flowers is not a LT and at best possibly a RT. Bolles is better than Flowers despite Flowers 2 years of additional pro experience. Flowers has proven he can not play LT.
great idea to add another weak guy vulnerable to power rushers. and spend a 1st roundwer on him to boot
not likely given projections.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
I believe this true...
I think we can trade back with ATL and grab one of Peppers Adoree Engram
And then maybe trade up and grab another one of Peppers Adoree Engram
Has a chance to be a great slot corner and the most dynamic return man in the NFL. If a coach is smart,they play Jackson a bit on offense also. Great hands,tough,incredibly elusive.
we have experts on this site that have stated that Flowers was looking pretty good in the second half of last season - so I'm not sure he's proved that he can;t play LT
Re-Watch the last month or so of last season and while flowers was a mess against Dallas he played very well against Detroit and Washington. I don't remember the gb game as I blocked it out.
where any offensive lineman is anything but a reach at 23. I'll be pretty disappointed if Giants go that way.
Who are rated higher than Cam Robinson, Lamp, and Bolles for them to be reaches?
Among those who might be available I think Bowser, Conley, Baker, Harris, Barnett, McDowell, Engram, Njoku are all better picks than any of the O-Linemen. And if those guys are all gone that means a bunch if top 10 talents will be on the board.
According to another thread, McAdoo is enamored with Mahomes Â
trading up from 23 to in front of 13 somewhere for a QB with as much bust potential as this one would still be crackheaded.
Or...they don't plan on being in position to draft a top QB next year (following a deep playoff run) and this is their best chance to get a developmental QB who has been compared to Brett Favre by some. I don't think Eli's play has much to do with this, so much as his age. Also, getting a QB in the first round means you have him for 5 years (option year) versus getting him in later rounds when you have him for only four.
Also, if there truly are no OTs they like in round 1, and you can get an edge player in rounds 2 or 3, and they are really going to sign Blount, then why the heck not. Go get a young strong armed, mobile QB.
He's a gunslinger from an "air raid" offense. No QB from that offense has ever succeeded in the NFL. None. Like all other QBs from that offense, he makes one, maybe two reads, before throwing. He doesn't execute three, five, or seven step drops. He bails on pockets before he should. He throws into coverage, and across the field because of his arm strength. His mechanics and footwork are terrible.
Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
the people that complain about the pick. Or insists one guy sucks. I saw it with Odell and JPP. You have no clue how these extremely young kids turnout. I get people liking someone who turns out to be a bust, that's just the same as the GM who took him. But to say people like Mahomes are a bust waiting to happen is insane. I think that kid has all the tools.
trading up from 23 to in front of 13 somewhere for a QB with as much bust potential as this one would still be crackheaded.
Or...they don't plan on being in position to draft a top QB next year (following a deep playoff run) and this is their best chance to get a developmental QB who has been compared to Brett Favre by some. I don't think Eli's play has much to do with this, so much as his age. Also, getting a QB in the first round means you have him for 5 years (option year) versus getting him in later rounds when you have him for only four.
Also, if there truly are no OTs they like in round 1, and you can get an edge player in rounds 2 or 3, and they are really going to sign Blount, then why the heck not. Go get a young strong armed, mobile QB.
Trading up in front of the Cardinals likely means trading with the Bills or higher. That's this year's first, next year's first, and then some second or third somewhere (if not more).
If you're on board with that for a player with as much potential to bust as this one... well, I'm glad someone is.
Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
This. A 2nd year HC on a 3 year deal is not given the latitude to dictate who "He" wants. Input is given, but this is the Jerry Reese show. Ben might not get the chance to see a second contract unless the offense is back in sync. We are in a win now mode.
RE: According to another thread, McAdoo is enamored with Mahomes Â
Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
This. A 2nd year HC on a 3 year deal is not given the latitude to dictate who "He" wants. Input is given, but this is the Jerry Reese show. Ben might not get the chance to see a second contract unless the offense is back in sync. We are in a win now mode.
Except this is exactly the type of thing Reese would do
He's a gunslinger from an "air raid" offense. No QB from that offense has ever succeeded in the NFL. None. Like all other QBs from that offense, he makes one, maybe two reads, before throwing. He doesn't execute three, five, or seven step drops. He bails on pockets before he should. He throws into coverage, and across the field because of his arm strength. His mechanics and footwork are terrible.
Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
3rd round QB? Come on man. The spread offenses haven't been around that long. Maybe 10-15 years and not nearly as many were ran as in the last 5 years. Here are some QBs that ran some form of spread in college
Derek Carr - starter
Marcus Mariotta - starter
Alex Smith - starter
Cam Newton - starter
Dak Prescott - starter
Sam Bradford - starter
Andy Dalton - starter
Colin Kaepernick started many games
RG3 - started many games before injuries hurt him
Ryan Tannehill - started many games
Nick Foles - started many games
Blake Bortles - started many games
Teddy Bridgewater - started many games before getting hurt
Jared Goff - started to finish the year last year.
There are more also, but who is going to go through them all. There are just as many pro style busts and spread busts.
This is just flat out wrong. If you are going to talk bad about a player at least use real negatives. This is literally the first line on his nfl.com draft profile
"Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft."
This is just flat out wrong. If you are going to talk bad about a player at least use real negatives. This is literally the first line on his nfl.com draft profile
"Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft."
True. But the most relevant words in that quote are the last three.
Gil Brandt on NFL Radio just pointed out that 9 OL taken in last year's draft started all 16 games. He also said that he expects that not a single OL from this draft would.
This is just flat out wrong. If you are going to talk bad about a player at least use real negatives. This is literally the first line on his nfl.com draft profile
"Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft."
True. But the most relevant words in that quote are the last three.
Gil Brandt on NFL Radio just pointed out that 9 OL taken in last year's draft started all 16 games. He also said that he expects that not a single OL from this draft would.
He's not impressed, and neither is he.
Pass, IMO
Since my last post, Brandt also said that he would not be surprised if the Giants take him. And he thinks it is possible that he could develop into LT, but not right away. Says we just have to wait and see.
ESPN reporter just said she spoke to Arians, who brought up Mahomes with effusive praise without her ever asking him to do so. Also said that Palmer doesn't practice on Wednesdays, which gives Mahomes more of a chance to learn the offense than he would have at other teams.
ESPN reporter just said she spoke to Arians, who brought up Mahomes with effusive praise without her ever asking him to do so. Also said that Palmer doesn't practice on Wednesdays, which gives Mahomes more of a chance to learn the offense than he would have at other teams.
It's been pretty publicized that Arians has fawned over Mahomes throughout the draft process.
Is it me, or is this not going as the mocks predicted? Â
As for Engram he's a physical freak with incredible upside as a receiving threat from multiple formations. His length, 33.5" arms, 4.42 speed, sub 7 3-cone all add up to a guy that is a mismatch for LB's and most safeties. I think he'll also be a very good perimeter and space blocker. Not sure he'll ever be a 'plus' blocker in-line but he doesn't have to be if we utilize him properly.
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I like Sy 56 top OT of McDermott I round 3 better.
2. GARETT BOLLES, Utah (6-5, 299, 4.98, 1): Will turn 25 next month after a troubled past in which he was kicked out of five schools and arrested for vandalizing a rival school’s field. “You name it, I’ve done it,” Bolles told kutv.com, adding that he was headed “down the wrong path to prison.” A married couple became his guardians, and his life began to turn around. Played two seasons in junior college and one for the Utes before declaring a year early. “Tough past,” said one scout. “One-year player. Very athletic. You like the up side. Concerned about the package.” Added another scout: “Tell me how many guys have been first round that are 25 or older? I’ll say this. Teams that have spent time with him, he gets football. Loves it. He’ll give you every ounce of soul, that kid.” Scored 9 on the Wonderlic, leading to questions whether he can retain an NFL system and make rapid pre-snap adjustments. “He saw the light,” said a third scout. “He’s got great feet and range. He’s aggressive and tenacious.” From Lehi, Utah. Married, couple has a son. “Really athletic and tough … he’s the most talented of all of them (tackles),” a fourth scout said. “He’s got to get stronger. That’s his weak point. Plays hard. You wish he was 21 or 22.”
I pray to the heavens this is smoke to get someone to reach earlier for him.
I don't know how a GM nor a scout could say "yeah, this 25 yr old guy with limited college play, and major character concerns, and concerns about ability to adapt and pick up the nuts and bolts of the mental side of the game. He's our guy.
This would easily be the worst 1st round pick by Reese and Ross if they go through with it.
Forrest Lamp would be fine. Versatile. Could play RT or both G positions. Mayocks favorite player of the draft.
Did any beat writer mention Apple as a possibility last year? IIRC, most had the top two targets as Conklin and Floyd. If those two really were at the top of the Giants board, I would hope the front office learned from last year and is more tight lipped.
Teams only look at recent history and forget the longer track record or not the other big picture. You have to worry once he gets his guaranteed contract, does he slip? He's not a young guy. This is a risky pick. He's not a guy who I've seen or heard from football people, can move inside to Guard. Above the norm risk. I would root hard for him but I'm not the least bit supportive of drafting him.
It would be a mistake to force a choice on the OL imo.
Make it happen Jerry.
Yes, he is. All the scouting reports and film will tell you that. He's not a finesse tackle.
It would be a mistake to force a choice on the OL imo.
Make it happen Jerry.
D or TE
DRC always has nagging injuries and is a year older. A CB would also make alot of sense. Or one of the stud Ss if they fall to them.
That's why I'd probably not go Oline first round. Too many other needs who could contribute right away. This is a poor oline draft, and it's likely that at best any player who comes in may only do so at guard.
Just getting a bad vibe about this draft based off of the media chatter.
Agreed he is going to be Danny Watkins 2.0
He will put on weight, all players do. Pugh was lighter too. I also don't get the 25 yr old argument. So what, since when does 25 make you old. He can still put on 10-15 pounds. The guy is athletic, has good height and size, and is mean.
Also all reports I have read have these 4 guys slated for the late first, which is where we pick, so I don't see how you an say the value isn't there. Unless someone really slides down, these guys represent the "proper" value for us at 23.
Only because OT is a weak position this year. Most years he'd be a second or third rounder.
That's why I was comparing them because of the age not because of the skill level or position. Bolles was playing against kids 3-5 years younger than him and now he is going to be playing against grown men. What I meant was the risk is very high with Bolles and he still has a lot of work to do to before he is a finished product.
I agree with everything you said and I was not advocating taking an OL in round 1. I would rather take Davis, Bowser, Charlton, Willis, and even Wormley instead of Bolles.
Could they take an OL later on? Sure and they probably will.
At #23 I will be stunned if it's not an offensive playmaker, CB or pass rusher.
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
I didn't realize Watkins' heart wasn't in it. I remember back in that draft where he was supposed to be a sure thing who would be an impact guard from day one.
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How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
Smith was only 20 years old and was/is a much better athlete. This is not a good comparison as Smith was still growing and like all draft picks he needed to get stronger.
Jon..any rumblings?
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Don't really see the need to draft an oline player in the first who'll almost certainly not play tackle in the first year. It's fine if the quality was there but it's not in this draft class.
I'm hoping Mahomes and 2+ QBs are long gone before we're on the clock. Same with Cam/Bolles/Lamp, though I'd be ok with Lamp.
Push some of these defensive playmakers and/or Howard/Njoku (don't care what Ranaan says) down to #23.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Id be suprised if McCaffrey makes it half way to 23.
Not a fan of the tweener edge rushers as they typically don't work out well for the Giants.
I would get excited for Reddick(pipedream), Jarrad Davis or Tyus Bowser.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Please, God, not a QB.
Edge rusher or offensive weapon works for me. You can throw a top-tier DB into that mix, too.
Not a fan of the tweener edge rushers as they typically don't work out well for the Giants.
I like this list and agree however isn't Takk sort of a Tweener? Don't know a lot about him, but just considering his size.
Klaatu, agreed.
JPP. Total athletic freak = Njoku.
The Barnett thought is just because I have a difficulty fitting him into my 1st round mock. So he might land here.
I agree. There likely won't be an OL or a TE who is BPA at 23. This is a deep TE draft so the Giants would be wise to take one in rounds 2-5. As for offensive line I hope the Giants take a chance on either Dawkins or Antonio Garcia on day two. Conor McDermott would be a great add in round 4 as he will need a year in an NFL strength and conditioning program before he is ready to play but his upside is very intriguing. I hope that our 1st round pick is Davis and if he is gone then Bowser. In round 2 I would be happy with Jordan Willis, Chris Wormley, Kpassagnon, Garcia, or Dawkins.
I could get on board if we didn't spend money on Ellison or if this was a weak TE class. The pick just doesn't fit to me. Of course I know nothing, but just in terms of what is available later and what else we could upgrade at 23. I'd rather someone else in rd 1 and grab Hodges later.
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
If any of the 1st four slip I trade up, otherwise I stay put and draft any of the last 3 and I feel REAL good about my first pick.
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
If any of the 1st four slip I trade up, otherwise I stay put and draft any of the last 3 and I feel REAL good about my first pick.
It's difficult to envision a trade up for players who have off the field red flag issues never mind taking them at 23. Not the Giants style. However, its very possible some of those names make it to 23.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
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was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Tend to agree but told the love is there.
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Ramcyk, Robinson, Davis, Takk, King and White in that order.
Not a fan of the tweener edge rushers as they typically don't work out well for the Giants.
I like this list and agree however isn't Takk sort of a Tweener? Don't know a lot about him, but just considering his size.
Takk has been labeled that recently and I don't know why. He played inside and as a 4-3 end at UCLA.
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
Great point. I've been wondering why King has been projected higher. He is a clean, athletic freak with size and skill. I've had a feeling he goes top 15 for a couple weeks now. With Conley maybe dropping a bit, I think the Eagles grab him at 12, but wouldn't be surprised if he's the first CB taken either in the top ten. The only knock on him I've seen has been his lanky frame and when you look at him, he looks similar to Sherman. I think he goes high.
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was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Tend to agree but told the love is there.
Taking a QB at 23 where Eli still has years left is about the only thing I'd lose my shit over. I could see a second or 3rd rounder. But this team is built to win now, has a franchise QB and needs a few more pieces to be elite.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
I'm not against a QB, in theory (so long as the team isn't delusional about him sitting forever and they're willing to make the tough decision to move on from Eli a lot sooner than some BBIers may be), but this QB class reeks.
Tweener is typically more about the guy who has no clear position in a pro 4-3.
Tweener is typically more about the guy who has no clear position in a pro 4-3.
Hey Jon, I just saw your post in the other thread regarding the OL and Conklin. I figured I'd ask you here. Which Mara? ;)
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Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
This is another one of those labels I don't understand. Davis played MLB at Florida. I think he could be the next stud MLB in the league who can do it all -- something the Giants have not had.
The injuries are concerning but I think he's worth the risk considering the upside.
Davis could be Kuechly or Sean Lee. Imagine the impact on the defense.
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but I think he can play 4-3 DE at a high level in the NFL.
Tweener is typically more about the guy who has no clear position in a pro 4-3.
Hey Jon, I just saw your post in the other thread regarding the OL and Conklin. I figured I'd ask you here. Which Mara? ;)
John, aka Son of Squint.
Appreciate the love, I truly feel all those guys will be pro bowlers eventually. All impact players.
I think the Giant brain trust will focus on performance, athletic ability and highest ceiling. Using this criteria I think that either TJ Watt or Obi Melifonwu will be the pick.
TJ Watt would provide pressure as a situational pass rusher, would be stout at the point of attack against the run, would need to develop coverage technique but as a former TE should adapt quickly. He only has 2 years of playing D, so considering that his evolution to date, should become a dominant LB. TJ has the desired length at 6'4 1/2", athletic ability, intensity and motor to be successful in the pros. Finally the pedigree speaks for itself. Wouldn't we want a more athletic JJ Watt roaming the second level of our D?
Obi Melifonwu would fortify the Giants secondary into a match up nightmare for any O in the NFL. He is more athletically gifted than any DB in this years draft. He has the best length/speed/weight ratio in the entire class. Obi has been a starter since his freshman year, last year led his team in tackles 118 and interceptions 4. In the Giants D he would lock onto the opposing TE addressing a problem that has dogged the team for over a decade. Given his 6'4" height and 44" vertical and 4.4 speed, there isn't a TE in the NFL he wouldn't be able to cover. Obi could play anywhere in the secondary, giving DC great flexibility given the level of talent at his disposal.
Therefore considering value, immediate and long term return, these would be players I would give the consideration at 23. In a perfect world I would pick Watt at 23 and move up to take Obi in the second if available.
I would also be fine with Jarrad Davis. He is going to be a fine LB for somebody.
Kevin King would be a good pick as well.
I am really not a fan of Zach Cunningham or Taco Charlton or Jordan Willis in the first round. In the second or third? Fine, just not the 1st round.
Agree!!
If we do not go TE in RD 1 I want Jordan Leggett. He will be a stud in the NFL.
2 - SS Jamal Adams
3 - RB Leonard Fournette
4 - CB Marshon Lattimore
5 - FS Malik Hooker
6 - DT Jonathan Allen
7 - LB Reuben Foster
8 - TE OJ Howard
9 - DE Solomon Thomas
10 - RB Christian McCaffrey
11 - DE Derek Barnett
Those are my money players. Any of them fall to 18 I am moving up.
Then I go
12 - LT Cam Robinson
13 - LT Forrest Lamp
14 - WR Corey Davis (depending on his ankle)
15 - LB Jarrad Davis
16 - WR Mike Williams
17 - RB Dalvin Cook
18 - LT Garret Bolles
19 - TE David Njoku
20 - QB Mitch Trubisky
21 - LB Haason Reddick
22 - WR John Ross
23 - LB Zach Cunningham
I'm hoping they pick either Lamp or Budda Baker at #23.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
I'm hoping they pick either Lamp or Budda Baker at #23.
You don't want a hybrid, but you want small Budda Baker? My guess he is a slot DB that would probably play a lot, but is not a starting FS.
Baker seems to me like the perfect type of player for our defense. Can play FS and CB; perfect complement to Collins in the middle of the secondary.
As for DL, they have to love JPP and OV at the ends but they know they have to be able to keep them both fresh. OO has been very underwhelming so far, injured, and then followed that up with the uncertainty of those social media posts. With nothing else besides Kerry Wynn who is decent at best and the organizational value placed on getting to the QB, expect a DE on the earlier side or at least some other type of edge/pass rusher.
With corners, again look at the very high value the org places on the position. It is not lost on anyone what happened when DRC came out of that playoff game and Wade was exposed. There is also DRC's age and cap number to consider when keeping the CB pipeline stocked. As it is, with an early corner who can play from day 1, they would be entering camp 4 deep at the position which is nice.
As for playmakers (specifically TE or RB), I think this is where you might see what influence Mac has. If they strike on a player like Njoku or Cook or McCaffrey (if they fall), I think Mac would have alot to do with that.
He's built himself from nothing to something.
I don't know if he's elite, but as good as he can be, he will be.
Players like that provide an extra level of comfort. Seems to love football.
JS..Rinse Repeat season in season out
JS..Rinse Repeat season in season out
Do not confuse not wanting a First RD Olinemen with do not draft one. I don't think any of the 1st rd projections is worth it or that much better than what I can get in the 2nd and 3rd...
JHC. A nine? What did he do, answer C for every question?
C'mon Jerry, whatever it takes.
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JHC. A nine? What did he do, answer C for every question?
Ruben Foster got a 9 also.
20. Denver Broncos: Garett Bolles, OT, Utah
The Broncos could use a left tackle to protect Paxton Lynch, and Bolles could be the target of teams trading up for him.
In his one season at Utah, Bolles (6-5, 297) showed that he is really talented with quick feet and athleticism on the edge. He also is tough in the ground game and plays with a physical mean streak. Bolles had a rough upbringing and some off-the-field issues, but a number of teams say he interviewed well at the combine and they feel he has matured. Some do have concerns about his ongoing mental health, however.
Bolles will need to work on pass protection for NFL speed rushers. He will also be significantly older than most rookies as he turns 25 a few weeks after the 2017 NFL Draft.
23. New York Giants: Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple
The Giants wanted Jack Conklin last year, and he didn't make it to their pick. I think the same thing could happen this year with Garett Bolles. If Bolles is off the board, I think the Giants could look to upgrade their linebackers with a player like Reddick, Jarrad Davis or Zach Cunningham.
I've surveyed sources at teams, and they believe that Reddick will go somewhere in the first round. I personally am skeptical that he should go in Round 1 because he has a grand total of three practices and an exhibition game at his NFL position. I also agree with some scouting sources who believe it is a lot easier to transition by moving closer to the line of scrimmage rather than backing off of it. The position change is why some teams gave Reddick mid-round grades. Still, Reddick has a lot of teams that like him, so he should go in the first round.
Reddick (6-1, 237) was an edge rusher in college who has to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He showed that he can make that switch at the Senior Bowl as he flew around the field and was constantly around the ball. Still, sources with teams say that Reddick is a real project for the NFL and will take time to develop at linebacker considering he has no game experience there. In 2016, Reddick totaled 65 tackles with 22.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and three passes broken up. He was an excellent edge rusher, yet there were times where he got destroyed in the ground game.
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Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Nobody is talking about Watt to the Giants.
So, he's not completely "clean".
Smoke or not.
Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
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He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Nobody is talking about Watt to the Giants.
I agree. Would love to see TJ Watt in Giants Blue.
You'd have to give up more than that to move up 13 spots.
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One I'm looking at says 540 points. And the 55th pick is only worth 350.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
Haven't seen you mention Jarrad Davis at all, either in a positive or negative sense. Have you got a feel on where the Giants stand with him? He and Walker look like the real deal.
If the Giants pick Defense at 23, I want Wormley. The D-Line of JPP, Wormley, Snacks, and Vernon would be awesome. He fills a need and is a big time talent. No question marks about him.
If the Giants pick Offense at 23, I want Lamp. The O-Line needs help. Lamp is going to be Pro Bowl caliber very quickly. Maybe not All Pro, Hall of Fame kind of guy. But a quality offensive lineman with position versatility.
That is all!
that may be incorrect--- bolles ahead- though i dont think its OL.
Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
I trust we will get a good play at 1....Whoever.
I am more concerned about 2nd and 3ed picks.....Which are as important......Where the Giants have far less success.
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Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
Agreed.
David Njoku
TJ Watt
Jordan Willis
Or
Tyus Bowser
at 10 mins/round -- unless they trade up - that's 230 mins or close to 4 hours -- draft starts at 8pm -- The Giants will be picking somewhere between 11:30 and midnight
you better bring us the win dude!!!!
great idea to add another weak guy vulnerable to power rushers. and spend a 1st roundwer on him to boot
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
I believe this true...
I think we can trade back with ATL and grab one of Peppers Adoree Engram
And then maybe trade up and grab another one of Peppers Adoree Engram
Would be crazy good beside Snacks
Wow.
Wow.
ew
Wow.
They'd take him if he's there when they pick, but I refuse to believe they'd be this dumb.
Or Anita Marks would be the one to break it.
Wow.
Yeah. JonC said that there was real interest in Mahomes. I was hoping he was wrong.
Wow.
Hmmm...That seems to be a lot of information for Marks to know.
Wow.
Arizona and Washington could take him.
me too. i dont mind mahomes but trade up for him? wtf....ZERO impact on the next two seasons
He struggled in pass pro? He handled the best pass rusher in this draft one on one the whole game! Ramcyzk struggled with Taco at times.
Who are rated higher than Cam Robinson, Lamp, and Bolles for them to be reaches?
Wow.
That's a bold move
Re-Watch the last month or so of last season and while flowers was a mess against Dallas he played very well against Detroit and Washington. I don't remember the gb game as I blocked it out.
I don't see it. I could see them taking a qb but trading up for one? No way.
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where any offensive lineman is anything but a reach at 23. I'll be pretty disappointed if Giants go that way.
Who are rated higher than Cam Robinson, Lamp, and Bolles for them to be reaches?
Among those who might be available I think Bowser, Conley, Baker, Harris, Barnett, McDowell, Engram, Njoku are all better picks than any of the O-Linemen. And if those guys are all gone that means a bunch if top 10 talents will be on the board.
Asiago or Dawkins in the second
TE, DT, DE, LB based on value in the 3rd best avail
One of above or RB in 4 and 5 best avail
That would give us
Flowers, Pugh, Richberg, Jerry, Fluker, Hart and the two rookies to fight it out.
I think he has a lot of ARod type skills
Wow.
How do they even know where Mahomes is going to be taken?
Or...they don't plan on being in position to draft a top QB next year (following a deep playoff run) and this is their best chance to get a developmental QB who has been compared to Brett Favre by some. I don't think Eli's play has much to do with this, so much as his age. Also, getting a QB in the first round means you have him for 5 years (option year) versus getting him in later rounds when you have him for only four.
Also, if there truly are no OTs they like in round 1, and you can get an edge player in rounds 2 or 3, and they are really going to sign Blount, then why the heck not. Go get a young strong armed, mobile QB.
He's a gunslinger from an "air raid" offense. No QB from that offense has ever succeeded in the NFL. None. Like all other QBs from that offense, he makes one, maybe two reads, before throwing. He doesn't execute three, five, or seven step drops. He bails on pockets before he should. He throws into coverage, and across the field because of his arm strength. His mechanics and footwork are terrible.
Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
A little thick in the thighs. But yes, she is a smoke show tonight.
smokescreens and etc thrown out to media and etc.
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trading up from 23 to in front of 13 somewhere for a QB with as much bust potential as this one would still be crackheaded.
Or...they don't plan on being in position to draft a top QB next year (following a deep playoff run) and this is their best chance to get a developmental QB who has been compared to Brett Favre by some. I don't think Eli's play has much to do with this, so much as his age. Also, getting a QB in the first round means you have him for 5 years (option year) versus getting him in later rounds when you have him for only four.
Also, if there truly are no OTs they like in round 1, and you can get an edge player in rounds 2 or 3, and they are really going to sign Blount, then why the heck not. Go get a young strong armed, mobile QB.
Trading up in front of the Cardinals likely means trading with the Bills or higher. That's this year's first, next year's first, and then some second or third somewhere (if not more).
If you're on board with that for a player with as much potential to bust as this one... well, I'm glad someone is.
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Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
This. A 2nd year HC on a 3 year deal is not given the latitude to dictate who "He" wants. Input is given, but this is the Jerry Reese show. Ben might not get the chance to see a second contract unless the offense is back in sync. We are in a win now mode.
Mahomes himself , compared his game to Rodgers.
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Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
This. A 2nd year HC on a 3 year deal is not given the latitude to dictate who "He" wants. Input is given, but this is the Jerry Reese show. Ben might not get the chance to see a second contract unless the offense is back in sync. We are in a win now mode.
Except this is exactly the type of thing Reese would do
I don't know. Every time they show Kay Adams, it gets better.
He's a gunslinger from an "air raid" offense. No QB from that offense has ever succeeded in the NFL. None. Like all other QBs from that offense, he makes one, maybe two reads, before throwing. He doesn't execute three, five, or seven step drops. He bails on pockets before he should. He throws into coverage, and across the field because of his arm strength. His mechanics and footwork are terrible.
Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
3rd round QB? Come on man. The spread offenses haven't been around that long. Maybe 10-15 years and not nearly as many were ran as in the last 5 years. Here are some QBs that ran some form of spread in college
Derek Carr - starter
Marcus Mariotta - starter
Alex Smith - starter
Cam Newton - starter
Dak Prescott - starter
Sam Bradford - starter
Andy Dalton - starter
Colin Kaepernick started many games
RG3 - started many games before injuries hurt him
Ryan Tannehill - started many games
Nick Foles - started many games
Blake Bortles - started many games
Teddy Bridgewater - started many games before getting hurt
Jared Goff - started to finish the year last year.
There are more also, but who is going to go through them all. There are just as many pro style busts and spread busts.
Trade all our picks. Here, take them.
Where are you streaming this from?
Where are you streaming this from?
? I'm watching on my tv - NFLN.
Why on earth are you watching a draft pregame show?
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is a fucking abortion.
Why on earth are you watching a draft pregame show?
I just was wondering the same thing.
wowza
Bolles has the best feet in the draft
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Very suspect feat like flowers
Bolles has the best feet in the draft
Sorry next to Lamp that is
This is just flat out wrong. If you are going to talk bad about a player at least use real negatives. This is literally the first line on his nfl.com draft profile
"Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft."
She gets paid by the Giants. This info doesn't help the Giants.....Unless they want that info out.
My only reasonable conclusion would be that she is pushing the idea so more QBs are selected prior to 23.
Replying to @MikeGarafolo
Think the Giants go Mahomes?
Mike Garafolo
If he's there, I do. Don't know that he's there.
Was wondering that too
She gets paid by the Giants. This info doesn't help the Giants.....Unless they want that info out.
My only reasonable conclusion would be that she is pushing the idea so more QBs are selected prior to 23.
She's generally useless, but she works for ESPN now (and somehow didn't get the ax the last couple days). Not the Giants.
Probably a team trying to get up for a defender.
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Very suspect feat like flowers
This is just flat out wrong. If you are going to talk bad about a player at least use real negatives. This is literally the first line on his nfl.com draft profile
"Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft."
True. But the most relevant words in that quote are the last three.
Gil Brandt on NFL Radio just pointed out that 9 OL taken in last year's draft started all 16 games. He also said that he expects that not a single OL from this draft would.
He's not impressed, and neither is he.
Pass, IMO
Where are you getting that? All I saw was Schefter saying they were considering it.
gidiefor : Mod : 6:41 pm : link : reply
Those who like Mahomes
I think he has a lot of ARod type skills''
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''A-rod skills'', you are one funny moderator, I am thinking famous punani G friends and roids when I hear a-rod
Mahome
Cunnigngham
but I know nothing
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In comment 13445705 32_Razor said:
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Very suspect feat like flowers
This is just flat out wrong. If you are going to talk bad about a player at least use real negatives. This is literally the first line on his nfl.com draft profile
"Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft."
True. But the most relevant words in that quote are the last three.
Gil Brandt on NFL Radio just pointed out that 9 OL taken in last year's draft started all 16 games. He also said that he expects that not a single OL from this draft would.
He's not impressed, and neither is he.
Pass, IMO
Since my last post, Brandt also said that he would not be surprised if the Giants take him. And he thinks it is possible that he could develop into LT, but not right away. Says we just have to wait and see.
I'm not , it shows absolute disrespect from a bunch of meaningless over opinionated dipshits who think they know better. Show some class
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Im looking forward to the massive Goodell boo that's about to go down in 10 minutes.
Oh please. Goodell deserves it, its great. Lighten up.
I'm not , it shows absolute disrespect from a bunch of meaningless over opinionated dipshits who think they know better. Show some class
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Im looking forward to the massive Goodell boo that's about to go down in 10 minutes.
I'm not , it shows absolute disrespect from a bunch of meaningless over opinionated dipshits who think they know better. Show some class''
lol, i got it.
It's been pretty publicized that Arians has fawned over Mahomes throughout the draft process.
The script went out the window at Pick #2.
Exactly. It might be time to go up and get him
As for Engram he's a physical freak with incredible upside as a receiving threat from multiple formations. His length, 33.5" arms, 4.42 speed, sub 7 3-cone all add up to a guy that is a mismatch for LB's and most safeties. I think he'll also be a very good perimeter and space blocker. Not sure he'll ever be a 'plus' blocker in-line but he doesn't have to be if we utilize him properly.