Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
the thing with Watkins: he really didn't want to play football, he wanted to be a fireman and that's why he ended up not being a player, his heart wasn't in it. Say what you want about Bolles but folks are saying he loves the game.
I didn't realize Watkins' heart wasn't in it. I remember back in that draft where he was supposed to be a sure thing who would be an impact guard from day one.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
Smith was only 20 years old and was/is a much better athlete. This is not a good comparison as Smith was still growing and like all draft picks he needed to get stronger.
Keep dreaming. Smith was my #1 OT and a Top 10 pick all day long. His combine weigh in was at 307#. Do your homework before you embarrass yourself some more.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
in a deep but wide draft. After the top guys who'll go well before we pick, it doesn't seem like there's much drop off until well into the second round. If anything this is the year to move down from the end of the first and pick up an extra second.
Don't really see the need to draft an oline player in the first who'll almost certainly not play tackle in the first year. It's fine if the quality was there but it's not in this draft class.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Id be suprised if McCaffrey makes it half way to 23.
I'm on the Bowser Wagon. If somehow, someway we could get Bowser 1 and Wormley or a DT 2 I don't really care what else we do as long as we address OL at some point.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Please, God, not a QB.
Edge rusher or offensive weapon works for me. You can throw a top-tier DB into that mix, too.
I agree. There likely won't be an OL or a TE who is BPA at 23. This is a deep TE draft so the Giants would be wise to take one in rounds 2-5. As for offensive line I hope the Giants take a chance on either Dawkins or Antonio Garcia on day two. Conor McDermott would be a great add in round 4 as he will need a year in an NFL strength and conditioning program before he is ready to play but his upside is very intriguing. I hope that our 1st round pick is Davis and if he is gone then Bowser. In round 2 I would be happy with Jordan Willis, Chris Wormley, Kpassagnon, Garcia, or Dawkins.
its hard to say a position is a need just because of a seem threat. Maybe just me, but I don't see the "football" in him. I see the athleticism, but he has rock hands. When I watch his highlights, even some of the easy catches he seems so unnatural. And no crispness to his routes.
I could get on board if we didn't spend money on Ellison or if this was a weak TE class. The pick just doesn't fit to me. Of course I know nothing, but just in terms of what is available later and what else we could upgrade at 23. I'd rather someone else in rd 1 and grab Hodges later.
Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
If any of the 1st four slip I trade up, otherwise I stay put and draft any of the last 3 and I feel REAL good about my first pick.
It's difficult to envision a trade up for players who have off the field red flag issues never mind taking them at 23. Not the Giants style. However, its very possible some of those names make it to 23.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
Great point. I've been wondering why King has been projected higher. He is a clean, athletic freak with size and skill. I've had a feeling he goes top 15 for a couple weeks now. With Conley maybe dropping a bit, I think the Eagles grab him at 12, but wouldn't be surprised if he's the first CB taken either in the top ten. The only knock on him I've seen has been his lanky frame and when you look at him, he looks similar to Sherman. I think he goes high.
was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Tend to agree but told the love is there.
Taking a QB at 23 where Eli still has years left is about the only thing I'd lose my shit over. I could see a second or 3rd rounder. But this team is built to win now, has a franchise QB and needs a few more pieces to be elite.
Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
Don't even give the Giants the chance at the more athletic Kyle Boller because I have no doubts they will take him if he's there right now.
I'm not against a QB, in theory (so long as the team isn't delusional about him sitting forever and they're willing to make the tough decision to move on from Eli a lot sooner than some BBIers may be), but this QB class reeks.
Year, some of you want to draft a project. I don't get it? Yes, they need a ot but, pick one in the 3rd or 4th when the value matches the need. First 3 players should be impact players. Big RB, olb and te, DT. You want players in those RDS. That can compete and contribute this year. Anyway Tonight will be the start, see what happens?
Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
This is another one of those labels I don't understand. Davis played MLB at Florida. I think he could be the next stud MLB in the league who can do it all -- something the Giants have not had.
The injuries are concerning but I think he's worth the risk considering the upside.
Davis could be Kuechly or Sean Lee. Imagine the impact on the defense.
I really don't want any of the O-linemen in the first
Call him what you will, but unless there's a strong pass-rush component to his game, it's difficult to see the Giants giving him a lot of consideration in the 1st round. I'm not saying they're right, I'm just trying to read the tea leaves.
Again the pundits speak of the obvious without thought to value. There is no blue chip OL in this draft then why would the Giants waste a pick on one rather than a player that will have immediate impact toward winning a championship. Do they need OL depth, without a doubt but, there are better value options further into the draft.
I think the Giant brain trust will focus on performance, athletic ability and highest ceiling. Using this criteria I think that either TJ Watt or Obi Melifonwu will be the pick.
TJ Watt would provide pressure as a situational pass rusher, would be stout at the point of attack against the run, would need to develop coverage technique but as a former TE should adapt quickly. He only has 2 years of playing D, so considering that his evolution to date, should become a dominant LB. TJ has the desired length at 6'4 1/2", athletic ability, intensity and motor to be successful in the pros. Finally the pedigree speaks for itself. Wouldn't we want a more athletic JJ Watt roaming the second level of our D?
Obi Melifonwu would fortify the Giants secondary into a match up nightmare for any O in the NFL. He is more athletically gifted than any DB in this years draft. He has the best length/speed/weight ratio in the entire class. Obi has been a starter since his freshman year, last year led his team in tackles 118 and interceptions 4. In the Giants D he would lock onto the opposing TE addressing a problem that has dogged the team for over a decade. Given his 6'4" height and 44" vertical and 4.4 speed, there isn't a TE in the NFL he wouldn't be able to cover. Obi could play anywhere in the secondary, giving DC great flexibility given the level of talent at his disposal.
Therefore considering value, immediate and long term return, these would be players I would give the consideration at 23. In a perfect world I would pick Watt at 23 and move up to take Obi in the second if available.
of picking Melifonwu in the 1st round. I don't think they will do it, but he is an athletic freak and could become a tremendous asset in the defensive backfield. He could be the Jason Bourne of DBs...
I would also be fine with Jarrad Davis. He is going to be a fine LB for somebody.
Kevin King would be a good pick as well.
I am really not a fan of Zach Cunningham or Taco Charlton or Jordan Willis in the first round. In the second or third? Fine, just not the 1st round.
How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
I would love that scenario for the first 2 picks. I've seen more of Budda Baker so I prefer him but getting a super athletic and versatile S and a pass rush option in Watt? That would get me fired up for the NYG defense!
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
I didn't realize Watkins' heart wasn't in it. I remember back in that draft where he was supposed to be a sure thing who would be an impact guard from day one.
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How many 290# RT's are out there? Has the movement skills and AA no doubt. At the next level he'll be a liability in the running game unless he can add 20# of muscle. Wonderlic of 9? 25 years old? This is the Giants pick? I hope not.
You just described Tyron smith coming out of college just younger
Smith was only 20 years old and was/is a much better athlete. This is not a good comparison as Smith was still growing and like all draft picks he needed to get stronger.
Jon..any rumblings?
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Don't really see the need to draft an oline player in the first who'll almost certainly not play tackle in the first year. It's fine if the quality was there but it's not in this draft class.
I'm hoping Mahomes and 2+ QBs are long gone before we're on the clock. Same with Cam/Bolles/Lamp, though I'd be ok with Lamp.
Push some of these defensive playmakers and/or Howard/Njoku (don't care what Ranaan says) down to #23.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Id be suprised if McCaffrey makes it half way to 23.
Not a fan of the tweener edge rushers as they typically don't work out well for the Giants.
I would get excited for Reddick(pipedream), Jarrad Davis or Tyus Bowser.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
Please, God, not a QB.
Edge rusher or offensive weapon works for me. You can throw a top-tier DB into that mix, too.
Not a fan of the tweener edge rushers as they typically don't work out well for the Giants.
I like this list and agree however isn't Takk sort of a Tweener? Don't know a lot about him, but just considering his size.
Klaatu, agreed.
JPP. Total athletic freak = Njoku.
The Barnett thought is just because I have a difficulty fitting him into my 1st round mock. So he might land here.
I agree. There likely won't be an OL or a TE who is BPA at 23. This is a deep TE draft so the Giants would be wise to take one in rounds 2-5. As for offensive line I hope the Giants take a chance on either Dawkins or Antonio Garcia on day two. Conor McDermott would be a great add in round 4 as he will need a year in an NFL strength and conditioning program before he is ready to play but his upside is very intriguing. I hope that our 1st round pick is Davis and if he is gone then Bowser. In round 2 I would be happy with Jordan Willis, Chris Wormley, Kpassagnon, Garcia, or Dawkins.
I could get on board if we didn't spend money on Ellison or if this was a weak TE class. The pick just doesn't fit to me. Of course I know nothing, but just in terms of what is available later and what else we could upgrade at 23. I'd rather someone else in rd 1 and grab Hodges later.
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
If any of the 1st four slip I trade up, otherwise I stay put and draft any of the last 3 and I feel REAL good about my first pick.
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
If any of the 1st four slip I trade up, otherwise I stay put and draft any of the last 3 and I feel REAL good about my first pick.
It's difficult to envision a trade up for players who have off the field red flag issues never mind taking them at 23. Not the Giants style. However, its very possible some of those names make it to 23.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
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was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Tend to agree but told the love is there.
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Ramcyk, Robinson, Davis, Takk, King and White in that order.
Not a fan of the tweener edge rushers as they typically don't work out well for the Giants.
I like this list and agree however isn't Takk sort of a Tweener? Don't know a lot about him, but just considering his size.
Takk has been labeled that recently and I don't know why. He played inside and as a 4-3 end at UCLA.
Many of us have read most of what is available about the potential premium
prospects. I was all over the place trying to determine the correct pick.
One antidotal item brought me to King. In a recent interview, Budda Baker was asked to comment on his two DB teammates. He noted Sidney Jones' consistent technique. When it came to King, I forget the exact words, but it was clear
that Budda was awestruck by King's ability.
Here you have a lock second rounder, commenting on a would be top ten pick
(before injury), and HE was blown away by Kevin King.
I'm with Budda.
In today's NFL, you can never have enough corners.
Great point. I've been wondering why King has been projected higher. He is a clean, athletic freak with size and skill. I've had a feeling he goes top 15 for a couple weeks now. With Conley maybe dropping a bit, I think the Eagles grab him at 12, but wouldn't be surprised if he's the first CB taken either in the top ten. The only knock on him I've seen has been his lanky frame and when you look at him, he looks similar to Sherman. I think he goes high.
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was told yesterday to keep an eye Mahomes and McCaffrey.
I understand why fans want an OL pick, but to my eye the value isn't there so I want them gone so it pushes an edge rusher or an offensive weapon down to us.
I dont see any scenario without a huge trade up that McCaffrey gets anywhere near the Giants
Tend to agree but told the love is there.
Taking a QB at 23 where Eli still has years left is about the only thing I'd lose my shit over. I could see a second or 3rd rounder. But this team is built to win now, has a franchise QB and needs a few more pieces to be elite.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
I'm not against a QB, in theory (so long as the team isn't delusional about him sitting forever and they're willing to make the tough decision to move on from Eli a lot sooner than some BBIers may be), but this QB class reeks.
Tweener is typically more about the guy who has no clear position in a pro 4-3.
Tweener is typically more about the guy who has no clear position in a pro 4-3.
Hey Jon, I just saw your post in the other thread regarding the OL and Conklin. I figured I'd ask you here. Which Mara? ;)
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Talent-wise he seems 100% worthy of a 23 pick and his attitude and leadership appear great. I think he does a lot for the Giants this and future years.
His injury history is a concern, and if he projects to WILL in our system that's not a position the Giants have prioritized in the draft.
As an aside, nothing from UK Giants Fan this year?
This is another one of those labels I don't understand. Davis played MLB at Florida. I think he could be the next stud MLB in the league who can do it all -- something the Giants have not had.
The injuries are concerning but I think he's worth the risk considering the upside.
Davis could be Kuechly or Sean Lee. Imagine the impact on the defense.
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but I think he can play 4-3 DE at a high level in the NFL.
Tweener is typically more about the guy who has no clear position in a pro 4-3.
Hey Jon, I just saw your post in the other thread regarding the OL and Conklin. I figured I'd ask you here. Which Mara? ;)
John, aka Son of Squint.
Appreciate the love, I truly feel all those guys will be pro bowlers eventually. All impact players.
I think the Giant brain trust will focus on performance, athletic ability and highest ceiling. Using this criteria I think that either TJ Watt or Obi Melifonwu will be the pick.
TJ Watt would provide pressure as a situational pass rusher, would be stout at the point of attack against the run, would need to develop coverage technique but as a former TE should adapt quickly. He only has 2 years of playing D, so considering that his evolution to date, should become a dominant LB. TJ has the desired length at 6'4 1/2", athletic ability, intensity and motor to be successful in the pros. Finally the pedigree speaks for itself. Wouldn't we want a more athletic JJ Watt roaming the second level of our D?
Obi Melifonwu would fortify the Giants secondary into a match up nightmare for any O in the NFL. He is more athletically gifted than any DB in this years draft. He has the best length/speed/weight ratio in the entire class. Obi has been a starter since his freshman year, last year led his team in tackles 118 and interceptions 4. In the Giants D he would lock onto the opposing TE addressing a problem that has dogged the team for over a decade. Given his 6'4" height and 44" vertical and 4.4 speed, there isn't a TE in the NFL he wouldn't be able to cover. Obi could play anywhere in the secondary, giving DC great flexibility given the level of talent at his disposal.
Therefore considering value, immediate and long term return, these would be players I would give the consideration at 23. In a perfect world I would pick Watt at 23 and move up to take Obi in the second if available.
I would also be fine with Jarrad Davis. He is going to be a fine LB for somebody.
Kevin King would be a good pick as well.
I am really not a fan of Zach Cunningham or Taco Charlton or Jordan Willis in the first round. In the second or third? Fine, just not the 1st round.
Agree!!