PArt of me wants them to draft 3 OL 1st 2nd and 3rd. If we go OL in the first I want Lamp, don't like Ram or Bolles rd 1. LB Davis or Foster. RB McCaffery only. QB Mahomes ...TE Howard only...none of those available trade back.
sit back and watch. I can't remember an off-season where the player assessments and predictions from the talking heads and so-called experts have been all over the board like this. Starting tonight, we will see how JR and company assess, rank and prioritize the talent.
1 - DE Myles Garrett
2 - SS Jamal Adams
3 - RB Leonard Fournette
4 - CB Marshon Lattimore
5 - FS Malik Hooker
6 - DT Jonathan Allen
7 - LB Reuben Foster
8 - TE OJ Howard
9 - DE Solomon Thomas
10 - RB Christian McCaffrey
11 - DE Derek Barnett
Those are my money players. Any of them fall to 18 I am moving up.
Then I go
12 - LT Cam Robinson
13 - LT Forrest Lamp
14 - WR Corey Davis (depending on his ankle)
15 - LB Jarrad Davis
16 - WR Mike Williams
17 - RB Dalvin Cook
18 - LT Garret Bolles
19 - TE David Njoku
20 - QB Mitch Trubisky
21 - LB Haason Reddick
22 - WR John Ross
23 - LB Zach Cunningham
not likely given projections.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
we met with two players from the Michigan D-line and not one was Taco Charlton. How could he NOT intrigue us?? Would not surprise me at all if he's our guy.
I think playmaker, DL and CB are the spots to keep an eye on.
As for DL, they have to love JPP and OV at the ends but they know they have to be able to keep them both fresh. OO has been very underwhelming so far, injured, and then followed that up with the uncertainty of those social media posts. With nothing else besides Kerry Wynn who is decent at best and the organizational value placed on getting to the QB, expect a DE on the earlier side or at least some other type of edge/pass rusher.
With corners, again look at the very high value the org places on the position. It is not lost on anyone what happened when DRC came out of that playoff game and Wade was exposed. There is also DRC's age and cap number to consider when keeping the CB pipeline stocked. As it is, with an early corner who can play from day 1, they would be entering camp 4 deep at the position which is nice.
As for playmakers (specifically TE or RB), I think this is where you might see what influence Mac has. If they strike on a player like Njoku or Cook or McCaffrey (if they fall), I think Mac would have alot to do with that.
"Need to draft an OT/OL" etc. Come draft time, "Don't want any OL".."Get a wr instead" etc
JS..Rinse Repeat season in season out
Do not confuse not wanting a First RD Olinemen with do not draft one. I don't think any of the 1st rd projections is worth it or that much better than what I can get in the 2nd and 3rd...
it takes to get him. We let his very talented dad slip through our fingers and we shouldn't miss the boat on his son. I don`t know one college player from another, but I saw enough film on him to say he ia a once in a decade player.
C'mon Jerry, whatever it takes.
The Broncos could use a left tackle to protect Paxton Lynch, and Bolles could be the target of teams trading up for him.
In his one season at Utah, Bolles (6-5, 297) showed that he is really talented with quick feet and athleticism on the edge. He also is tough in the ground game and plays with a physical mean streak. Bolles had a rough upbringing and some off-the-field issues, but a number of teams say he interviewed well at the combine and they feel he has matured. Some do have concerns about his ongoing mental health, however.
Bolles will need to work on pass protection for NFL speed rushers. He will also be significantly older than most rookies as he turns 25 a few weeks after the 2017 NFL Draft.
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23. New York Giants: Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple
The Giants wanted Jack Conklin last year, and he didn't make it to their pick. I think the same thing could happen this year with Garett Bolles. If Bolles is off the board, I think the Giants could look to upgrade their linebackers with a player like Reddick, Jarrad Davis or Zach Cunningham.
I've surveyed sources at teams, and they believe that Reddick will go somewhere in the first round. I personally am skeptical that he should go in Round 1 because he has a grand total of three practices and an exhibition game at his NFL position. I also agree with some scouting sources who believe it is a lot easier to transition by moving closer to the line of scrimmage rather than backing off of it. The position change is why some teams gave Reddick mid-round grades. Still, Reddick has a lot of teams that like him, so he should go in the first round.
Reddick (6-1, 237) was an edge rusher in college who has to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He showed that he can make that switch at the Senior Bowl as he flew around the field and was constantly around the ball. Still, sources with teams say that Reddick is a real project for the NFL and will take time to develop at linebacker considering he has no game experience there. In 2016, Reddick totaled 65 tackles with 22.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and three passes broken up. He was an excellent edge rusher, yet there were times where he got destroyed in the ground game.
After considering all the alternatives the NY Giants with the 23rd pick will select , if available, TJ Watt.
Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
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He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Dave Te has mentioned there has been noise in the building about Watt and Bowser in New Rutherford. Both guys have been mentioned as people of interest for the Giants.
After considering all the alternatives the NY Giants with the 23rd pick will select , if available, TJ Watt.
Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
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He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Nobody is talking about Watt to the Giants.
I agree. Would love to see TJ Watt in Giants Blue.
not likely given projections.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
Haven't seen you mention Jarrad Davis at all, either in a positive or negative sense. Have you got a feel on where the Giants stand with him? He and Walker look like the real deal.
I am definitely in the Bolles camp. I love Jarred Davis play but unless its Ruben Foster I just don't see the point at linebacker... I thought the LB corps player really well last season...Bolles could very well be a reach but tackle is the biggest problem facing this team now and for the foreseeable future. At the very least he pushes Flowers to be better and one of them plays on the right side
Thanks to Dave Te and Sy for all their information. It was very enjoyable to read.
If the Giants pick Defense at 23, I want Wormley. The D-Line of JPP, Wormley, Snacks, and Vernon would be awesome. He fills a need and is a big time talent. No question marks about him.
If the Giants pick Offense at 23, I want Lamp. The O-Line needs help. Lamp is going to be Pro Bowl caliber very quickly. Maybe not All Pro, Hall of Fame kind of guy. But a quality offensive lineman with position versatility.
Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
at 10 mins/round -- unless they trade up - that's 230 mins or close to 4 hours -- draft starts at 8pm -- The Giants will be picking somewhere between 11:30 and midnight
If we do not go TE in RD 1 I want Jordan Leggett. He will be a stud in the NFL.
2 - SS Jamal Adams
3 - RB Leonard Fournette
4 - CB Marshon Lattimore
5 - FS Malik Hooker
6 - DT Jonathan Allen
7 - LB Reuben Foster
8 - TE OJ Howard
9 - DE Solomon Thomas
10 - RB Christian McCaffrey
11 - DE Derek Barnett
Those are my money players. Any of them fall to 18 I am moving up.
Then I go
12 - LT Cam Robinson
13 - LT Forrest Lamp
14 - WR Corey Davis (depending on his ankle)
15 - LB Jarrad Davis
16 - WR Mike Williams
17 - RB Dalvin Cook
18 - LT Garret Bolles
19 - TE David Njoku
20 - QB Mitch Trubisky
21 - LB Haason Reddick
22 - WR John Ross
23 - LB Zach Cunningham
I'm hoping they pick either Lamp or Budda Baker at #23.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
I'm hoping they pick either Lamp or Budda Baker at #23.
You don't want a hybrid, but you want small Budda Baker? My guess he is a slot DB that would probably play a lot, but is not a starting FS.
Baker seems to me like the perfect type of player for our defense. Can play FS and CB; perfect complement to Collins in the middle of the secondary.
As for DL, they have to love JPP and OV at the ends but they know they have to be able to keep them both fresh. OO has been very underwhelming so far, injured, and then followed that up with the uncertainty of those social media posts. With nothing else besides Kerry Wynn who is decent at best and the organizational value placed on getting to the QB, expect a DE on the earlier side or at least some other type of edge/pass rusher.
With corners, again look at the very high value the org places on the position. It is not lost on anyone what happened when DRC came out of that playoff game and Wade was exposed. There is also DRC's age and cap number to consider when keeping the CB pipeline stocked. As it is, with an early corner who can play from day 1, they would be entering camp 4 deep at the position which is nice.
As for playmakers (specifically TE or RB), I think this is where you might see what influence Mac has. If they strike on a player like Njoku or Cook or McCaffrey (if they fall), I think Mac would have alot to do with that.
He's built himself from nothing to something.
I don't know if he's elite, but as good as he can be, he will be.
Players like that provide an extra level of comfort. Seems to love football.
JS..Rinse Repeat season in season out
JS..Rinse Repeat season in season out
Do not confuse not wanting a First RD Olinemen with do not draft one. I don't think any of the 1st rd projections is worth it or that much better than what I can get in the 2nd and 3rd...
JHC. A nine? What did he do, answer C for every question?
C'mon Jerry, whatever it takes.
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might scare the Giants off of Bolles.
JHC. A nine? What did he do, answer C for every question?
Ruben Foster got a 9 also.
20. Denver Broncos: Garett Bolles, OT, Utah
The Broncos could use a left tackle to protect Paxton Lynch, and Bolles could be the target of teams trading up for him.
In his one season at Utah, Bolles (6-5, 297) showed that he is really talented with quick feet and athleticism on the edge. He also is tough in the ground game and plays with a physical mean streak. Bolles had a rough upbringing and some off-the-field issues, but a number of teams say he interviewed well at the combine and they feel he has matured. Some do have concerns about his ongoing mental health, however.
Bolles will need to work on pass protection for NFL speed rushers. He will also be significantly older than most rookies as he turns 25 a few weeks after the 2017 NFL Draft.
23. New York Giants: Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple
The Giants wanted Jack Conklin last year, and he didn't make it to their pick. I think the same thing could happen this year with Garett Bolles. If Bolles is off the board, I think the Giants could look to upgrade their linebackers with a player like Reddick, Jarrad Davis or Zach Cunningham.
I've surveyed sources at teams, and they believe that Reddick will go somewhere in the first round. I personally am skeptical that he should go in Round 1 because he has a grand total of three practices and an exhibition game at his NFL position. I also agree with some scouting sources who believe it is a lot easier to transition by moving closer to the line of scrimmage rather than backing off of it. The position change is why some teams gave Reddick mid-round grades. Still, Reddick has a lot of teams that like him, so he should go in the first round.
Reddick (6-1, 237) was an edge rusher in college who has to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He showed that he can make that switch at the Senior Bowl as he flew around the field and was constantly around the ball. Still, sources with teams say that Reddick is a real project for the NFL and will take time to develop at linebacker considering he has no game experience there. In 2016, Reddick totaled 65 tackles with 22.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and three passes broken up. He was an excellent edge rusher, yet there were times where he got destroyed in the ground game.
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Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Nobody is talking about Watt to the Giants.
So, he's not completely "clean".
Smoke or not.
Watt checks off all of the criteria that the Giants value in their picks.
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He plays a position that the value.
He is young and has a great ceiling.
He comes from a major program.
He is clean with no off the field issues.
He comes from a football family.
He is a great athlete.
Nobody is talking about Watt to the Giants.
I agree. Would love to see TJ Watt in Giants Blue.
You'd have to give up more than that to move up 13 spots.
10:30-11:00pm est
One I'm looking at says 540 points. And the 55th pick is only worth 350.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23
Haven't seen you mention Jarrad Davis at all, either in a positive or negative sense. Have you got a feel on where the Giants stand with him? He and Walker look like the real deal.
If the Giants pick Defense at 23, I want Wormley. The D-Line of JPP, Wormley, Snacks, and Vernon would be awesome. He fills a need and is a big time talent. No question marks about him.
If the Giants pick Offense at 23, I want Lamp. The O-Line needs help. Lamp is going to be Pro Bowl caliber very quickly. Maybe not All Pro, Hall of Fame kind of guy. But a quality offensive lineman with position versatility.
That is all!
that may be incorrect--- bolles ahead- though i dont think its OL.
Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
I trust we will get a good play at 1....Whoever.
I am more concerned about 2nd and 3ed picks.....Which are as important......Where the Giants have far less success.
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Bummer, Davis is probably my favorite player in the draft. Thanks for relaying the info though, fellas like you add to the excitement around this time of year.
Agreed.
David Njoku
TJ Watt
Jordan Willis
Or
Tyus Bowser
at 10 mins/round -- unless they trade up - that's 230 mins or close to 4 hours -- draft starts at 8pm -- The Giants will be picking somewhere between 11:30 and midnight
you better bring us the win dude!!!!