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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 8:04 am
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Bolles is a LT  
idinkido : 4/27/2017 4:47 pm : link
Quickest feet in the draft and is always in position against edge rushers. Will need help against bull rushers, so Pugh and others will be a big help to him. Flowers is not a LT and at best possibly a RT. Bolles is better than Flowers despite Flowers 2 years of additional pro experience. Flowers has proven he can not play LT.
Flowers  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/27/2017 4:50 pm : link
we have experts on this site that have stated that Flowers was looking pretty good in the second half of last season - so I'm not sure he's proved that he can;t play LT
.....  
BleedBlue : 4/27/2017 4:52 pm : link
why does everyone want robinson?!?!? he struggles in pass pro. thats exactly the issue with flowers...
RE: Bolles is a LT  
Victor in CT : 4/27/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13445380 idinkido said:
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Quickest feet in the draft and is always in position against edge rushers. Will need help against bull rushers, so Pugh and others will be a big help to him. Flowers is not a LT and at best possibly a RT. Bolles is better than Flowers despite Flowers 2 years of additional pro experience. Flowers has proven he can not play LT.


great idea to add another weak guy vulnerable to power rushers. and spend a 1st roundwer on him to boot
RE: rooting for mcaff or howard to fall  
est1986 : 4/27/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13444981 hitdog42 said:
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not likely given projections.
thinking we might see peppers, adore, or Engram given where we pick.
not expecting to see the media darling OL in blue at 23


I believe this true...

I think we can trade back with ATL and grab one of Peppers Adoree Engram

And then maybe trade up and grab another one of Peppers Adoree Engram
Adoree Jackson  
Marty866b : 4/27/2017 5:13 pm : link
Has a chance to be a great slot corner and the most dynamic return man in the NFL. If a coach is smart,they play Jackson a bit on offense also. Great hands,tough,incredibly elusive.
Not Giants related  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 5:26 pm : link
but Browns 99% likely to pick Garrett 1st overall according to ESPN (after speculation that they were thinking about Trubisky)
If Jonathan Allen  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 5:39 pm : link
falls to 10-14? I would throw in the second round pick and a 4th next draft to go up and get it.

Would be crazy good beside Snacks
We will  
Thinblueline : 4/27/2017 5:51 pm : link
Draft Ryan Ramczyk in first round and Davis Webb in 2nd Round ya'll heard it here first.....
Cooper  
Thinblueline : 4/27/2017 5:56 pm : link
Krupp in round 3
Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 5:56 pm : link
that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.
RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
BleedBlue : 4/27/2017 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.



ew
RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
Devon : 4/27/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.


They'd take him if he's there when they pick, but I refuse to believe they'd be this dumb.

Or Anita Marks would be the one to break it.
RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
Klaatu : 4/27/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.


Yeah. JonC said that there was real interest in Mahomes. I was hoping he was wrong.
RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
Mr. Bungle : 4/27/2017 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.

Hmmm...That seems to be a lot of information for Marks to know.
God I hope she is wrong.  
ZogZerg : 4/27/2017 6:02 pm : link
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RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.

Arizona and Washington could take him.
RE: God I hope she is wrong.  
BleedBlue : 4/27/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13445501 ZogZerg said:
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me too. i dont mind mahomes but trade up for him? wtf....ZERO impact on the next two seasons
If he's shot up that high  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 6:09 pm : link
AZ will take him
Skins aren't taking him  
ZogZerg : 4/27/2017 6:11 pm : link
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RE: .....  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13445394 BleedBlue said:
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why does everyone want robinson?!?!? he struggles in pass pro. thats exactly the issue with flowers...


He struggled in pass pro? He handled the best pass rusher in this draft one on one the whole game! Ramcyzk struggled with Taco at times.
I can't come up with any scenario  
TJ : 4/27/2017 6:12 pm : link
where any offensive lineman is anything but a reach at 23. I'll be pretty disappointed if Giants go that way.
RE: I can't come up with any scenario  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13445514 TJ said:
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where any offensive lineman is anything but a reach at 23. I'll be pretty disappointed if Giants go that way.


Who are rated higher than Cam Robinson, Lamp, and Bolles for them to be reaches?
Kay Adams  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2017 6:16 pm : link
is perfect
I still think 2 lineman  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2017 6:20 pm : link
go top 15. I don't buy no one taking one until half the first round is over. Should be interesting to see who falls if that happens.
RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/27/2017 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.


That's a bold move
RE: Flowers  
djm : 4/27/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13445388 gidiefor said:
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we have experts on this site that have stated that Flowers was looking pretty good in the second half of last season - so I'm not sure he's proved that he can;t play LT


Re-Watch the last month or so of last season and while flowers was a mess against Dallas he played very well against Detroit and Washington. I don't remember the gb game as I blocked it out.
The giants trading up for a qb  
djm : 4/27/2017 6:28 pm : link
Would tell me that they were disappointed in Eli's play last season. But what do I know...

I don't see it. I could see them taking a qb but trading up for one? No way.
I really  
mattyblue : 4/27/2017 6:29 pm : link
Like Mahomes
I really like Mahommes too  
Emil : 4/27/2017 6:31 pm : link
but I think this is smoke to get another team to jump and take him
They could have been absolutely disgusted with Eli last year and  
Devon : 4/27/2017 6:31 pm : link
trading up from 23 to in front of 13 somewhere for a QB with as much bust potential as this one would still be crackheaded.
RE: RE: I can't come up with any scenario  
TJ : 4/27/2017 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13445517 Amtoft said:
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In comment 13445514 TJ said:


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where any offensive lineman is anything but a reach at 23. I'll be pretty disappointed if Giants go that way.



Who are rated higher than Cam Robinson, Lamp, and Bolles for them to be reaches?


Among those who might be available I think Bowser, Conley, Baker, Harris, Barnett, McDowell, Engram, Njoku are all better picks than any of the O-Linemen. And if those guys are all gone that means a bunch if top 10 talents will be on the board.
According to another thread, McAdoo is enamored with Mahomes  
Ira : 4/27/2017 6:37 pm : link
and is pushing hard for him.
Lets fix the OL  
Reale01 : 4/27/2017 6:40 pm : link
Lamp, Bolles or Robinson in the first

Asiago or Dawkins in the second

TE, DT, DE, LB based on value in the 3rd best avail

One of above or RB in 4 and 5 best avail

That would give us
Flowers, Pugh, Richberg, Jerry, Fluker, Hart and the two rookies to fight it out.
Count me among  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/27/2017 6:41 pm : link
Those who like Mahomes

I think he has a lot of ARod type skills
RE: Anita Marks just said on ESPN Radio  
AcidTest : 4/27/2017 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13445494 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that the Giants have been on the phones all day trying to move up to get Mahomes.

Wow.


How do they even know where Mahomes is going to be taken?
RE: They could have been absolutely disgusted with Eli last year and  
Emil : 4/27/2017 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13445546 Devon said:
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trading up from 23 to in front of 13 somewhere for a QB with as much bust potential as this one would still be crackheaded.


Or...they don't plan on being in position to draft a top QB next year (following a deep playoff run) and this is their best chance to get a developmental QB who has been compared to Brett Favre by some. I don't think Eli's play has much to do with this, so much as his age. Also, getting a QB in the first round means you have him for 5 years (option year) versus getting him in later rounds when you have him for only four.

Also, if there truly are no OTs they like in round 1, and you can get an edge player in rounds 2 or 3, and they are really going to sign Blount, then why the heck not. Go get a young strong armed, mobile QB.
Mahomes  
AcidTest : 4/27/2017 6:45 pm : link
is a third round QB.

He's a gunslinger from an "air raid" offense. No QB from that offense has ever succeeded in the NFL. None. Like all other QBs from that offense, he makes one, maybe two reads, before throwing. He doesn't execute three, five, or seven step drops. He bails on pockets before he should. He throws into coverage, and across the field because of his arm strength. His mechanics and footwork are terrible.

Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?
RE: Kay Adams  
Diver_Down : 4/27/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13445518 Mr. Nickels said:
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is perfect


A little thick in the thighs. But yes, she is a smoke show tonight.
The worst is  
mattyblue : 4/27/2017 6:47 pm : link
the people that complain about the pick. Or insists one guy sucks. I saw it with Odell and JPP. You have no clue how these extremely young kids turnout. I get people liking someone who turns out to be a bust, that's just the same as the GM who took him. But to say people like Mahomes are a bust waiting to happen is insane. I think that kid has all the tools.
Eli never  
mattyblue : 4/27/2017 6:51 pm : link
had an injury and has two rings. He has made a fortune. If he gets a bad injury he would be smart to retire. He's done it all.
As a famous Agent once said  
micky : 4/27/2017 6:51 pm : link
don't believe what you hear when approaching draft time.

smokescreens and etc thrown out to media and etc.
RE: RE: They could have been absolutely disgusted with Eli last year and  
Devon : 4/27/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13445582 Emil said:
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In comment 13445546 Devon said:


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trading up from 23 to in front of 13 somewhere for a QB with as much bust potential as this one would still be crackheaded.



Or...they don't plan on being in position to draft a top QB next year (following a deep playoff run) and this is their best chance to get a developmental QB who has been compared to Brett Favre by some. I don't think Eli's play has much to do with this, so much as his age. Also, getting a QB in the first round means you have him for 5 years (option year) versus getting him in later rounds when you have him for only four.

Also, if there truly are no OTs they like in round 1, and you can get an edge player in rounds 2 or 3, and they are really going to sign Blount, then why the heck not. Go get a young strong armed, mobile QB.


Trading up in front of the Cardinals likely means trading with the Bills or higher. That's this year's first, next year's first, and then some second or third somewhere (if not more).

If you're on board with that for a player with as much potential to bust as this one... well, I'm glad someone is.
RE: Mahomes  
Diver_Down : 4/27/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13445590 AcidTest said:
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is a third round QB.
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Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?


This. A 2nd year HC on a 3 year deal is not given the latitude to dictate who "He" wants. Input is given, but this is the Jerry Reese show. Ben might not get the chance to see a second contract unless the offense is back in sync. We are in a win now mode.
RE: According to another thread, McAdoo is enamored with Mahomes  
Canton : 4/27/2017 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13445565 Ira said:
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and is pushing hard for him.


Mahomes himself , compared his game to Rodgers.
RE: RE: Mahomes  
Mr. Nickels : 4/27/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13445608 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13445590 AcidTest said:


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is a third round QB.
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Taking him at #23 would be a complete waste. Trading up to get him would be insane. McAdoo is a second year coach. Is management really going to allow him to sacrifice a ton of draft picks for Mahomes?



This. A 2nd year HC on a 3 year deal is not given the latitude to dictate who "He" wants. Input is given, but this is the Jerry Reese show. Ben might not get the chance to see a second contract unless the offense is back in sync. We are in a win now mode.




Except this is exactly the type of thing Reese would do
I've thought for a while that  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/27/2017 6:59 pm : link
Mahomes makes sense. Not sure about a trade up though.
I am hoping  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 7:03 pm : link
that Bolles, Watson, and Mahomes all go before the Giants pick that way several other players will be available for the Giants to choose from.
As an aside  
OC2.0 : 4/27/2017 7:04 pm : link
NFLN should be ashamed of themselves for this lameass pre draft show.
RE: As an aside  
Diver_Down : 4/27/2017 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13445641 OC2.0 said:
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NFLN should be ashamed of themselves for this lameass pre draft show.


I don't know. Every time they show Kay Adams, it gets better.
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