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NFT: Braves and Mets "The trade" 4/27

ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 10:15 am
-Syndergaard and Dickey square off for the first time since they were traded for each other.

-Mets cant stop losing, drop 5th straight

-Nimmo 1-3 with a walk in first rehab game back

-Wilmer discharged from hospital (good news)

-Day game today

LGM!
Not really hitting all that well  
sshin05 : 4/27/2017 10:25 am : link
(then again it was Teheran), Gsellman not on his game and having a disappointing start to boot. I wouldn't panic now but injuries not helping with depth.
hopefully  
spike : 4/27/2017 10:29 am : link
Matz and Lugo return soon to send Gsellman to lv for some finetuning
Thor is scratched  
Metnut : 4/27/2017 10:34 am : link
with tired arm. This season blows so far.
Need  
Sammo85 : 4/27/2017 10:34 am : link
To release Reyes and fire Collins. This team needs a shakeup.
Wow  
debo_GIANTS : 4/27/2017 10:35 am : link
No Noah today. Sore bicep, not good!

I had a feeling something was up when he didnt start yesterday.
Sick of this team  
KWhite2250 : 4/27/2017 10:36 am : link
Collins yesterday said Noah was fine and wasnt why they went back to Gsellman. They never tell you the truth with any of these guys
Wow. Tendinitis in bicep for Thor  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 10:37 am : link
WTF is going on right now? Guess Thor VS Dickey will have to wait.
LOL.  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 10:38 am : link
This season is very, very quickly turning into an absolute disaster.

I guess 2015 was as good as it's going to get for us.
RE: Sick of this team  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13444557 KWhite2250 said:
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Collins yesterday said Noah was fine and wasnt why they went back to Gsellman. They never tell you the truth with any of these guys


I honestly think they let Gsellman pitch yesterday because they wanted him to miss the Nats series.
How do you have a "tired arm" on April 27?  
Beezer : 4/27/2017 10:42 am : link

WTF?
RE: RE: Sick of this team  
KWhite2250 : 4/27/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13444568 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13444557 KWhite2250 said:


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Collins yesterday said Noah was fine and wasnt why they went back to Gsellman. They never tell you the truth with any of these guys



I honestly think they let Gsellman pitch yesterday because they wanted him to miss the Nats series.


Could be but the timing is just bad. Think it was Gelbs who asked him about Noah being ok in the press conf. Now today we find this out
Good news is now if Thor  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 10:44 am : link
can pitch in the next three days he will actually face the Nats where he wasnt before but who knows how serious this is.
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ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 10:45 am : link
Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Syndergaard tried talking his way into making today's start, but Collins told him no.
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ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 10:49 am : link
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
Syndergaard could be placed on DL and return Monday if team opts that route. Also then allows for guy to be called up.
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ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:07 am : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
"In my opinion, this is very minor." Noah Syndergaard says he hopes to return to the mound Sunday in Washington. #Mets
Lineup  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:08 am : link
Mets Game 21 of 162, vs. ATL:

Conforto CF
Cabrera SS
Céspedes LF
Bruce 1B
Walker 2B
Granderson RF
d’Arnaud C
Reyes 3B
Harvey RHP


Not going to lie...  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:09 am : link
I dont hate that Harvey is pitching today against the Braves and we have deGrom, Wheeler, Thor going against the Nats if Syndergaard is right.
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ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:14 am : link
Braves Lineup

Ender Inciarte – CF
Adonis Garcia – 3B
Freddie Freeman – 1B
Matt Kemp – LF
Nick Markakis – RF
Kurt Suzuki – C
Jace Peterson – 2B
Dansby Swanson – SS
R.A. Dickey – RHP
RE: .  
spike : 4/27/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13444600 ZGiants98 said:
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Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
Syndergaard could be placed on DL and return Monday if team opts that route. Also then allows for guy to be called up.


Gilmartin or Montero? Yuck. I'll just skip Syndergaard start, thanks to the rain. Maybe he will pitch in the pivotal Nationals series.
I love your optimism Z!  
debo_GIANTS : 4/27/2017 11:15 am : link
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RE: .  
pganut : 4/27/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13444697 ZGiants98 said:
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Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
"In my opinion, this is very minor." Noah Syndergaard says he hopes to return to the mound Sunday in Washington. #Mets
This would make pganut very happy as I'll be at Sunday's game and on the field beforehand.
Might as well book an appointment  
spike : 4/27/2017 11:16 am : link
with Dr Andrews.
RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13444697 ZGiants98 said:
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Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
"In my opinion, this is very minor." Noah Syndergaard says he hopes to return to the mound Sunday in Washington. #Mets


Famous last words...
Matz  
Metnut : 4/27/2017 11:19 am : link
said the same thing and that was the last of him for a while.
RE: I love your optimism Z!  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13444726 debo_GIANTS said:
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Just really saying it "could" work out favorably if he's right. Have no idea what the issue is. If you want my honest opinion, it's only a matter of time with Syndergaard. It's not a matter of "if". It would be nice to get another playoff run or two before he has to go under the knife but it's coming. Another reason why I wouldn't extend any of the starters. Extend hitters... enjoy the pitching while it's here but let power pitchers walk and keep drafting replacements.
this iswhy  
spike : 4/27/2017 11:31 am : link
we need 8 capable starters tto get through a season
plz call  
spike : 4/27/2017 11:35 am : link
Doug Fister or Lincecum
The mighty Jobu has been relentless this season  
spike : 4/27/2017 11:42 am : link


A sacrifice must be made to quell his thirst for players
This April has been an inverse of last April  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2017 11:57 am : link
hopefully the rest of the season reverses that luck trend. As much as luck has gone against us, I think this first stretch has exposed this roster's weaknesses in plain view, so even if the pendulum swings back I do hope Sandy takes some steps to correct.

1. Need to start phasing in more athletes so the team's collective defensive range isn't as bad as it is now. Should also bring up the energy level of the entire club.
2. Need someone to get on base and make contact at the top of the order. Lucroy or Prado at the deadline would go a long way.
3. Need to add at least 1 arm in the BP.

In terms of #1, Conforto playing every day is a good step. Hopefully Rosario taking over SS at some point will also help (perhaps Cabrera at 3rd will help as well). Possibly even Cecchini at 2nd as well (Walker's range and arm strength seem a lot worse this year - result of the back injury?).
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:33 pm : link
Why am I even watching this? This team fucking sucks.
Harvey threw a 3-1 changeup  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 1:35 pm : link
Is he hurt? Not throwing fastball at all
Look at him?  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 1:36 pm : link
He looks hurt.
Dickey is going to be amped today  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 1:37 pm : link
and torture us. Anyone that had a chance of coming out of their slump yesterday (cough cough Reyes) is likely screwed after Dickey again. lol
He's acting scared to throw the ball  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 1:37 pm : link
Inside at all. Something seems up
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:37 pm : link
Yeah, Matt doesn't look right. He's been asked if he's okay like 3 times this inning.

He's not throwing any fastballs.
There's one.  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:39 pm : link
Jeez.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:43 pm : link
Waving Bruce home on that is a fireable offense.

What the fuck is he doing?
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:44 pm : link
He was out by 5 fucking strides.
This team  
Spreegal22 : 4/27/2017 1:44 pm : link
Is driving me to drink.
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Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13445029 arcarsenal said:
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Waving Bruce home on that is a fireable offense.

What the fuck is he doing?


Especially with no outs. That simply can not happen.
TDA is swinging from his heels again  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 1:49 pm : link
the bat is all the way back and his swing is as long as ever. Has completely lapsed back into his bad habits.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 1:51 pm : link
Harvey's control is completely non-existent today.

He looks like Dock Ellis... pitching on LSD on a day where he didn't know he was going to have to pitch. Except he's not throwing a no-hitter.
Harvey's fastball was 91/92 that last inning  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 1:56 pm : link
Maybe Adriana Lima sapped a few mph
You have to just laugh  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 2:00 pm : link
bunting into a DP

This team is just so unbelievably bad right now.
Harvey's velocity is definitely way down  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 2:07 pm : link
WTF is going on?
RE: .  
Spreegal22 : 4/27/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13445048 arcarsenal said:
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Harvey's control is completely non-existent today.

He looks like Dock Ellis... pitching on LSD on a day where he didn't know he was going to have to pitch. Except he's not throwing a no-hitter.


Another error. I think I need some LSD to get thru this game.
This pretty much happens multiple times each year  
PhiPsi125 : 4/27/2017 2:10 pm : link
under Terry Collins watchful eye. We have the same exact conversations every season.

Yes, all teams go on losing streaks but the Mets take it to a whole new level.

I'm so glad that the ghost of David Wright went to bat for Collins a couple of years ago and convinced Sandy to keep him.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 2:16 pm : link
How do so many baseball players tweak quads and hamstrings just fucking running to 1st base? I'm 32 years old and haven't played competitive sports in years but I'm positive I could bust it down a 1st base line 50x in a row and not hurt myself.
Ces doubles AND  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/27/2017 2:21 pm : link
pulls his hamstring...
How's that for timing?  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 2:23 pm : link
Can't make it up.

Yoenis is a freak athlete and for some reason, the guy cannot run without pulling something.

I can't watch this shit man.
What a nightmare  
KWhite2250 : 4/27/2017 2:23 pm : link
Unreal
I don't understand  
Metnut : 4/27/2017 2:24 pm : link
why they didn't just put him on the DL so he can heal and be 100%. There's even a 10 day DL now to make this easier. Are the Wilpons hiring a cheap training staff or something? I don't get why this always happens to us.
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 2:24 pm : link
There has to be an issue with this teams training staff. I don't know how else to explain it.
Let's at least  
Metnut : 4/27/2017 2:24 pm : link
fucking win anyway. Cmon!
Cespedes is starting to be a huge  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 2:28 pm : link
pain in the ass. Love it when he's hot but holy shit.
Pretty funny from MMO  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 2:29 pm : link
RAY RAMIREZ!!!!!!

RE: .  
KWhite2250 : 4/27/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13445120 arcarsenal said:
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There has to be an issue with this teams training staff. I don't know how else to explain it.


I posted few days ago, my buddy was on the Michigan football staff under Rich Rod and he quit because he didnt agree with the methods used by Barwis. My friend is a personal trainer and has his own gym in Chicago. He blames Barwis for this with the Mets since he is still employed by the Mets. I never really knew there were different methods of training but I guess there is
If Cespedes is becoming a pain in the ass  
Chris684 : 4/27/2017 2:30 pm : link
What does that make David Wright and his 100 terrible at bats over the last 3 seasons?
RE: If Cespedes is becoming a pain in the ass  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13445133 Chris684 said:
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What does that make David Wright and his 100 terrible at bats over the last 3 seasons?


Why does anyone still care about David Wright?? He's a sunk cost and hasn't played in years. Were you counting on him to lead the Mets this year or something? Nobody expected him to play, if at all.
Glad Harvey showed up  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 2:40 pm : link
When the team needed him
cespedes  
spike : 4/27/2017 3:02 pm : link
should ve gone on the DL. This hammy takes a long time to properly heal
Well... the good news is Reyes is hitting!  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 3:06 pm : link
lol. I fully expect Cespedes to be gone for a month however. Actually I expect him to begone for 7 days... come back... aggravate it again... come back... aggravate it again... come back...
Smoked!  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 3:14 pm : link
Smoker just put the Braves over his knee and spanked them in public.
RE: Smoked!  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13445204 ZGiants98 said:
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Smoker just put the Braves over his knee and spanked them in public.

You really are an incredibly optimistic person.
FIRE  
spike : 4/27/2017 3:36 pm : link
Barwis and Ramirez!!

Hire the Giants trainer to consult

Can Tebow help us train better?
mets  
sshin05 : 4/27/2017 3:38 pm : link
are making me depressed about baseball. lol
RE: RE: Smoked!  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13445254 Jay on the Island said:
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Smoker just put the Braves over his knee and spanked them in public.


You really are an incredibly optimistic person.


Just having fun man. Lol. Not much is going right.
RE: RE: RE: Smoked!  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13445261 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13445204 ZGiants98 said:


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Smoker just put the Braves over his knee and spanked them in public.


You really are an incredibly optimistic person.



Just having fun man. Lol. Not much is going right.

I wasn't knocking you I am just impressed.
I put this in the wrong thread  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 3:41 pm : link
Jose Ramirez has been excellent this season. He was once one of the Yankees top prospects but could not harness his control and was moved to the pen by Atlanta. He showed flashes last season and just cracked the Braves roster. He has been their most consistent reliever thus far.
if Syndergaard goes on the DL  
spike : 4/27/2017 3:43 pm : link
who the heck are we going to start?

Fuckin Montero?
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timintey : 4/27/2017 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13444727 pganut said:
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Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
"In my opinion, this is very minor." Noah Syndergaard says he hopes to return to the mound Sunday in Washington. #Mets

This would make pganut very happy as I'll be at Sunday's game and on the field beforehand.

Nice! Regardless if he throws or not... enjoy!
This month fucking blows for so many reasons  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 3:45 pm : link
but JFC its going to be nice to play a different team other than the Braves, Marlins, and Nats. Holy shit. Never thought Id be so exited to play a team like the Padres before.
our division  
spike : 4/27/2017 3:46 pm : link
has very talented players, including the Phillies.
at least our pen  
spike : 4/27/2017 3:49 pm : link
seems to be getting better.
RE: our division  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13445273 spike said:
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has very talented players, including the Phillies.


Im speaking about familiarity. You play the same teams over and over again they start to get familiar with your pitchers. Not to mention the Marlins and Nats see us constantly in spring training. Its a weird schedule to start the year but put that outside of my top 10 concerns at the moment.
RE: our division  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13445273 spike said:
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has very talented players, including the Phillies.

The Division is only going to get tougher. Atlanta's top prospect SS/2B Ozzie Albies is the youngest player i AAA and he is on fire. He is batting .291 and leads the league in doubles, stolen bases, and runs scored despite starting the season off slowly. Amazingly he has never faced a pitcher younger than him during his entire career and he won't this year. Also they will likely promote a few of their top pitching prospects like Max Fried, Sean Newcomb, Lucas Sims, and Patrick Weigel along with AJ Minter who is one of the best relief prospects in baseball. The Braves have the worst bench in baseball but that will improve dramatically once OF Dustin Peterson gets healthy.
I hope  
spike : 4/27/2017 3:54 pm : link
we sneak in a win over the weekend

Not hopeful. Is Duda back yet ?
Familla looking like complete shit  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 4:00 pm : link
AGAIN
RE: I hope  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13445288 spike said:
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we sneak in a win over the weekend

Not hopeful. Is Duda back yet ?


Not eligible until next Monday.
Im actually pretty disgusted with Asdrubal Cabrera  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 4:04 pm : link
He's been complete dog shit and unlike Reyes who's getting paid the minimum and his hitting eighth, Cabrera is sucking up crucial atbats in the 2 hole. At this rate, I wont want his option picked up next year.
Sherlock  
spike : 4/27/2017 4:05 pm : link
sure isn't Holmes
I am so glad Atlanta continues to let Jim Johnson close  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 4:05 pm : link
He is strictly a middle reliever.
Fire Sherlock  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 4:06 pm : link
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RE: Fire Sherlock  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13445311 Rflairr said:
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He's had a brutal day.
that tacked on run in the top 9th  
spike : 4/27/2017 4:07 pm : link
sure seems costly now
1-7 homestand  
spike : 4/27/2017 4:07 pm : link
lol
the two intentional walks were instrumental in two runs scoring  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 4:10 pm : link
Mets might lose anyway but just more evidence of Terry's black thump when it comes to strategy
maybe  
spike : 4/27/2017 4:11 pm : link
Collins will get fired by July if the team is at 500 by then
also Bruce getting thrown at home  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 4:13 pm : link
coaches throwing gas on the fire
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13445131 KWhite2250 said:
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There has to be an issue with this teams training staff. I don't know how else to explain it.



I posted few days ago, my buddy was on the Michigan football staff under Rich Rod and he quit because he didnt agree with the methods used by Barwis. My friend is a personal trainer and has his own gym in Chicago. He blames Barwis for this with the Mets since he is still employed by the Mets. I never really knew there were different methods of training but I guess there is


After what we just saw with the Giants, I absolutely think there's a correlation between poor training methods and players getting hurt. Wellman made a huge difference.

If the Mets were smart, they'd fucking get rid of everyone on that staff and spend the money to bring in top flight guys to help protect their investments (players)

It's happening too often to be a coincidence at this point. I'm sure some guys (Matz, dArnaud) really are just injury prone - but I am convinced that the training methods being used are at least partially to blame for this entire team getting injured year in and year out.
It even seeps down into the minors!  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 4/27/2017 4:21 pm : link
Look at DMM's minor league injury report. Is there some bizarre organizationwide training philosophy?
Man if they get swept in WAS  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 4:32 pm : link
They could be 11.5 out already. OUCH
So, being fully aware that Noah was hurting and that his start  
PhiPsi125 : 4/27/2017 8:00 pm : link
could be in jeopardy, they still had Harvey go through his full workout yesterday (something they never have pitchers do the day before their start, apparently) and his arm was still sore. Maybe the reason for the lower velocity and ineffectiveness?

This crack manager and coaching staff consistently put these players in positions to fail. I can't wait until all of them except Warthen is gone. I guarantee we'd be a much better team.
these comments are so ridiclious  
Rory : 4/27/2017 8:02 pm : link
teams have had losing streaks before

And teams have had injury bugs before

Funny how they seem to happen at the same time...

Lets see where the Mets are in July

Oh and the excessive Terry Collins hate is sofakingannoying, hes the manager deal with it.
Lol, yeah this is a completely new concept for the Mets.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/27/2017 8:10 pm : link
Oh wait, they've been a woefully inconsistent and BAD offensive club for years that lacks any accountability and fundamentals.

Can't wait until that big run we make in four months to try to secure the wild card. Should be awesome.
RE: Im actually pretty disgusted with Asdrubal Cabrera  
Spreegal22 : 4/27/2017 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13445306 ZGiants98 said:
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He's been complete dog shit and unlike Reyes who's getting paid the minimum and his hitting eighth, Cabrera is sucking up crucial atbats in the 2 hole. At this rate, I wont want his option picked up next year.


In his defense, I think he is playing hurt. He was hitting well until around the time he tweaked his hamstring.
RE: Lol, yeah this is a completely new concept for the Mets.  
Rory : 4/27/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13445849 PhiPsi125 said:
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Oh wait, they've been a woefully inconsistent and BAD offensive club for years that lacks any accountability and fundamentals.

Can't wait until that big run we make in four months to try to secure the wild card. Should be awesome.


inconsistency is the whole league in April-June

If the NY Mets lineup consisted of younger not fully developed hitters then yes some of what you state holds weight. But its predominately veteran ball players who have been seasoned in the league. These guys are just slow starters.

Its April, get healthy , keep the pen fresh and lets see where things are at in 2 months.

chill
RE: RE: Lol, yeah this is a completely new concept for the Mets.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/27/2017 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13446136 Rory said:
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Oh wait, they've been a woefully inconsistent and BAD offensive club for years that lacks any accountability and fundamentals.

Can't wait until that big run we make in four months to try to secure the wild card. Should be awesome.



inconsistency is the whole league in April-June

If the NY Mets lineup consisted of younger not fully developed hitters then yes some of what you state holds weight. But its predominately veteran ball players who have been seasoned in the league. These guys are just slow starters.

Its April, get healthy , keep the pen fresh and lets see where things are at in 2 months.

chill


They are slow starters? Huh, could have fooled me with their April start last season. And inconsistency is not "the whole league April -June". That doesn't even make any sense nor is it factually true.

Listen, if we didn't go through this same exercise last year (and the year before, and pretty much every year under Collins) then I'd "chill". Forget about his lack of strategy, lack of feel for the game, his catering to underperforming veterans, his weird distaste and treatment of performing young players, curious BP management, etc....but his overall buffoonery in his decision making is an anchor to this team.

It was never about losing in April. I know it's early. I know it's a long season. But you take a month off the calendar and spot the Nationals 10 games....it's an unlikely hole to dig out of. When you only have two winning months out of six, then I'm sorry but you are not a good team. That was 2016...even though we made/lost the WC game.

This team is so much better than this and that is what frustrates me.
the only plus is that  
spike : 4/27/2017 9:50 pm : link
Conform gets to prove that he belongs and maybe he will play at an All star level as the leader of the next generation.
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