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NFT: Knicks Chat: Woj suggests Griffin for Melo

DanMetroMan : 4/27/2017 10:27 am
Essentially his premise is on the Clippers side they would avoid committing 5 years to Griffin vs. "2" to Melo and the Knicks would have a dynamic duo with Griffin/KP
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Yeah I agree about Hayward.  
bceagle05 : 4/27/2017 1:16 pm : link
I was worried about the Stevens/Hayward/Butler thing, but Utah has a good thing going and he's gonna get a huge deal from them.
RE: Yeah I agree about Hayward.  
nygiants16 : 4/27/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13444969 bceagle05 said:
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I was worried about the Stevens/Hayward/Butler thing, but Utah has a good thing going and he's gonna get a huge deal from them.


utah has a good young core he can grow with, he is not leaving that..
I'm not "plugged" in like  
giantsfan44ab : 4/27/2017 1:22 pm : link
some here in BBI are, but the Hayward situation is one thing (and maybe the only thing ever) I can speak to.
Utah  
DanMetroMan : 4/27/2017 1:30 pm : link
is in awesome shape. Nice young roster, 2 young studs in Hayward and Gobert, Exum/Lyles haven't been very good but they are still only 21 with talent, Favors,Hood, presumably they will keep Hill and Ingles and then they have 2 firsts this year (granted 1 is the warriors, 2 2nds this year, + 2 firsts next year (theirs and OKC)
Rose barely talks lol  
DanMetroMan : 4/27/2017 1:41 pm : link
“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’
RE: Rose barely talks lol  
Deej : 4/27/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13445025 DanMetroMan said:
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“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’


Rose looks like a space cadet to me. A guy who is living in his own world, which is moving at a different speed.
RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop  
MotownGIANTS : 4/27/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13444964 nygiants16 said:
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...


How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
I thought the new CBA  
Deej : 4/27/2017 1:46 pm : link
means max guys would be leaving a boatload on the table if they leave for their 3rd contract. Or is that just for guys who hit the MVP/First Team levels.
RE: RE: Rose barely talks lol  
DanMetroMan : 4/27/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13445028 Deej said:
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“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’



Rose looks like a space cadet to me. A guy who is living in his own world, which is moving at a different speed.


Which is part of the reason I'm trying to understand the argument for bringing him back. He had no real chemistry with KP/Willy, it's evident he's not a "leader" vocally or by his actions. He undermines the coaches vs. being a veteran asset. He reportedly was unhappy being benched for Baker (we are hopeful a rookie more deserving of major PT than Baker is brought on via the draft) He can still score, wonderful for him but does next to nothing for the Knicks. Sign a guy like Sergio Rodriguez to a 1 year deal at inflated AAV.
RE: RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop  
giantsfan44ab : 4/27/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13445034 MotownGIANTS said:
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...




How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George


What about Joel Embiid? I think the sixers could be willing to part at the right price, he's due for a big contract next season. May be able to get him without a BKN pick.
RE: RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop  
nygiants16 : 4/27/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13445034 MotownGIANTS said:
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...




How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George


umm because your 2 best players are pver 30, one you are about to give big money to..

you are going to build around them, he is not going to build around the draft picks...

You arent getting Embiid for less than a BK pick  
Deej : 4/27/2017 1:55 pm : link
I dont know if Philly would consider trading him. But if they did, it would be for another super-duper star possible return. Embiid obviously got hurt. But when he played he was flashing Shaq/Robinson/Hakeem level impact potential.
Boston isn't in "win now" mode  
giantsfan44ab : 4/27/2017 1:59 pm : link
They're essentially a rebuilding team that gets playoff ticket sales and sold out arenas in the regular season. Best of both worlds.
RE: Boston isn't in  
nygiants16 : 4/27/2017 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13445062 giantsfan44ab said:
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They're essentially a rebuilding team that gets playoff ticket sales and sold out arenas in the regular season. Best of both worlds.


then they shouldnt give a 5 year max deal to thomas...

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giantsfan44ab : 4/27/2017 2:11 pm : link
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They're essentially a rebuilding team that gets playoff ticket sales and sold out arenas in the regular season. Best of both worlds.



then they shouldnt give a 5 year max deal to thomas...


They haven't...
Melo  
DanMetroMan : 4/27/2017 2:13 pm : link
and Kobe no longer speak? Weird.
RE: Melo  
nygiants16 : 4/27/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13445090 DanMetroMan said:
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and Kobe no longer speak? Weird.


apparently kobe was telling melo basically to suck it up with phil and that you have to go through the bad first and melo basically didnt want to hear it
Couldn't  
DanMetroMan : 4/27/2017 2:21 pm : link
have been too much of a friendship if that's what "ended" it considering everyone always said how close they were.
RE: Couldn't  
nygiants16 : 4/27/2017 2:24 pm : link
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have been too much of a friendship if that's what "ended" it considering everyone always said how close they were.


i dunno i heard it on alan hahn
Phil will have plenty of suitors for Melo  
Earl the goat : 4/27/2017 6:23 pm : link
Celtics aren't as good as Ainge thought they were
Bulls with Rondo would've beaten them
Melo would've made a huge difference on this team

Thunder could've absolutely used Melo. Westbrook had no other scorer

If Cavs don't win Lebron will be hollering for Melo

Clips are a mess Don't know what to expect from them
CP3 is such an overrated so called superstar and can never get this team to advance

Jeannie Buss and Magic will be inquiring too



RE: Phil will have plenty of suitors for Melo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13445535 Earl the goat said:
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Celtics aren't as good as Ainge thought they were
Bulls with Rondo would've beaten them
Melo would've made a huge difference on this team

Thunder could've absolutely used Melo. Westbrook had no other scorer

If Cavs don't win Lebron will be hollering for Melo

Clips are a mess Don't know what to expect from them
CP3 is such an overrated so called superstar and can never get this team to advance

Jeannie Buss and Magic will be inquiring too




Who's knocking down the door for an old, expensive, declining scorer to come to their team and be quicksand for your offense?

Danny Ainge doesn't make trades unless they're brutally lopsided in his favor.

RE: RE: Phil will have plenty of suitors for Melo  
Earl the goat : 4/27/2017 7:10 pm : link
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Celtics aren't as good as Ainge thought they were
Bulls with Rondo would've beaten them
Melo would've made a huge difference on this team

TTH. We will see and reconvene at draft

Thunder could've absolutely used Melo. Westbrook had no other scorer

If Cavs don't win Lebron will be hollering for Melo

Clips are a mess Don't know what to expect from them
CP3 is such an overrated so called superstar and can never get this team to advance

Jeannie Buss and Magic will be inquiring too






Who's knocking down the door for an old, expensive, declining scorer to come to their team and be quicksand for your offense?

Danny Ainge doesn't make trades unless they're brutally lopsided in his favor.
RE: RE: RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 4:28 pm : link
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...




How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George



umm because your 2 best players are pver 30, one you are about to give big money to..

you are going to build around them, he is not going to build around the draft picks...


This is B-Ball not football 30 is not the same. However you mention 2 out off 15 .... that is not even 25% of the team and Rozier, Smart, Brown, Zizic & Yabo plus the THREE LOTTERY PICKS in the next 2 yrs we are far from old and in win now mode ...

Dont hate cause your FO sucks as does your team. Your best player is never going to get it done ... now you have trade him on a buyer's market and guess what he aint leaving LaLa (she aint leaving NY) soooo he aint going nowhere (no trade clause) ... dude about to try and save his marriage

The Knicks are in perpetual rebuild mode while trying to reclaim past glory ... No one cares about playing in the Garden ... Maybe the bigger market is appealing but going to a perennial loser is not.
my bad  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 4:31 pm : link
1 Lottery THIS year and 1 NEXT yr plus we still have that 1st rd pick as well...
Here  
DanMetroMan : 4/28/2017 4:32 pm : link
is something a shitty franchise can emulate even when lacking the talent

"Prior to joining the Heat, Waiters thought he was already in excellent shape after playing four years in the NBA. James Johnson, who had been in the NBA for seven seasons and can literally kick the rim on a regulation hoop, thought the same thing prior to signing with Miami last offseason.

Most players have this reaction. Then, they show up for the team’s workouts.

“After one week, my body [was] shot,” Waiters recalled. “I was damn near throwing up in trash cans like in the movies.”

The Heat’s offseason workouts, training camps and practices are the stuff of legend. Players work extremely hard, spending a ton of time on conditioning and weight training. And it never really lets up. This year’s team was still doing full-contact practices in the final week of this season – even when a playoff berth was a realistic possibility.

“They had us come in early during the offseason to prepare for training camp,” said one current Heat player, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We did sprints and other conditioning drills, and we even went outside to push some sleds and flip tires and stuff like that. This was all to get ready for training camp.

“When camp started, it was definitely different. With other teams, they may have veterans who can’t run as much so the training camp is kind of built to accommodate those guys. In Miami, we were all trying to make a name for ourselves so it was competitive and we were all ready to work hard. We had sayings like, ‘No fake gym rats,’ ‘No excuses,’ and, ‘Always get one percent better.’ If you came to the gym, it wasn’t to make an appearance so the coaches can see you. You’re coming to get better. We don’t want any fake gym rats.”

While intense, the work paid off. Sources say that Waiters trimmed his body fat percentage by nearly five percent from the start of the season to now. He was so proud of the transformation that he posted a copy of his before-and-after picture on Snapchat after the season ended."
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Celtics fan from Motown, huh?  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2017 4:41 pm : link
Totally checks out.
Ainge doesnt build through the draft  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 4:46 pm : link
the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...

Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..

guarantee he trades for superstar..

cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
RE: Ainge doesnt build through the draft  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13449325 nygiants16 said:
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...

Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..

guarantee he trades for superstar..

cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron


Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
You cant talk shit to a Knicks fan  
Deej : 4/28/2017 4:56 pm : link
we have no pride and no respect for how our team is run. You cant hurt our feelings.
RE: RE: Ainge doesnt build through the draft  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13449342 MotownGIANTS said:
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...

Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..

guarantee he trades for superstar..

cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron



Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)


and all role players...

hos championship was built on trades..

this team is good because of a trade and free afency..

his teams are not built through the draft..

you just named 7 pivks out of how many first rounders he has had?



RE: You cant talk shit to a Knicks fan  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13449343 Deej said:
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we have no pride and no respect for how our team is run. You cant hurt our feelings.



LOL
oh and you named 3 players who have a lot to prove  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 5:09 pm : link
before they are called good picks
RE: RE: Ainge doesnt build through the draft  
Deej : 4/28/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13449342 MotownGIANTS said:
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...

Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..

guarantee he trades for superstar..

cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron



Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)


Yeah that's Rondo and a bunch of role players. And Rozier, who has been worse than Jerian grant. You missed a lot of better players taken during the Ainge era (though no one great), like Al Jeff and Tony Allen. But all in all, a lot of role players and duds.

I wont roast Ainge for his drafts, but he doesnt deserve praise. It's tough to draft outside of the elite picks. Ainge goes for singles a lot, and gets some. But role players.
RE: RE: RE: Ainge doesnt build through the draft  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 5:19 pm : link
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...

Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..

guarantee he trades for superstar..

cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron



Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)



and all role players...

hos championship was built on trades..

this team is good because of a trade and free afency..

his teams are not built through the draft..

you just named 7 pivks out of how many first rounders he has had?





2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown University of California, Berkeley
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele Rouen Métropole Basket (France)
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić Cibona Zagreb (Croatia)
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier University of Louisville
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter Georgia State University
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart Oklahoma State
2014 1 17 James Young University of Kentucky
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira CB Estudiantes (Spain)
2012 1 21 Jared Sullinger Ohio State University
2012 1 22 Fab Melo Syracuse University
2011 1 25 MarShon Brooks Providence College
2010 1 19 Avery Bradley University of Texas at Austin
2008 1 30 J. R. Giddens University of New Mexico
2007 1 5 Jeff Green Georgetown University
2006 1 7 Randy Foye Villanova University
2005 1 18 Gerald Green Gulf Shores Academy
2004 1 15 Al Jefferson Prentiss
2004 1 24 Delonte West Saint Joseph's University
2004 1 25 Tony Allen Oklahoma State University
2003 1 16 Troy Bell Boston College

*Nogueira becomes Kelly Olynk
*Foye becomes Telfair and Theo Ratcliff


Tony Allen, Al Jefferson, **Gerald Green

So again to say he has drafted poorly is not correct because you name 1 GM in the NBA that hit on all picks. He has only had 5 lottery picks if you count the UPCOMING draft ... so show me where he drafts bad
that is a list of role players  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 5:24 pm : link
jaylen brown and the two euros are to be determined...

but which pick did he hit out of the park? absolutely zero, but he is not a good drafter, he builds through trades..

he drafts a bunch of role players..

avery bradley is probably his best pick
and i am not saying hit on all picks  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 5:25 pm : link
but when you have had that many first round pivks you expect at least 1 superstar...

especially with thr lotto picks he had
he had 5 counting this  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 5:32 pm : link
yr ...

That is not a lot of picks ... to say he found role players in the area of the draft where you find role players means he has done his good in drafting.


Brown is his keeper lottery pick and this yr ... Fultz or Jackson ... (I know the #1 overall should be a superstar ... what about the kid Cleveland pick ... bust the draft is a gamble) so for a dude that only has actually kept 1 lottery pick Brown.... who is playing pretty good for rookie he gets a passing grade. If you want to penalize him for trading picks so be it ... but when you have a Paul Pierce on the last leg of his prime play and you got a chance to get 2 max players you go for it...small window chase for a ring ... we are not in that position as IT ages as Horford ages we'll have guys in place to take the reigns ... no need to panic just because your FO is in panic mode and is eyeing out plate does not mean we have to follow.
You know that there is going to be a lottery, right?  
Deej : 4/28/2017 5:36 pm : link
75% chance you dont get the #1 pick.
i never knovked ainge  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 5:36 pm : link
all i said was he iz better at making trades than he is drafting..

that is why i said he is going to trade for a superstar
RE: You know that there is going to be a lottery, right?  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 5:37 pm : link
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75% chance you dont get the #1 pick.


yea that why I said Fultz or Jackson ...
RE: i never knovked ainge  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13449426 nygiants16 said:
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all i said was he iz better at making trades than he is drafting..

that is why i said he is going to trade for a superstar


no harm no foul ... I just think he gets a knock for drafting unfairly ... he has said he will not getting another trade that got the RA and KG and then flip them and the Coach the way he did ... he knows now it is convert to the SA format best you can .... He accessing the situation and adapts ... hence no trades even though he is a trader and gambler by nature
accesses  
MotownGIANTS : 4/28/2017 5:40 pm : link
the situation ...
off topic but Marc Stein  
Enzo : 4/28/2017 7:32 pm : link
was among the layoffs at espn. IIRC, he had a pretty good track record when it came to breaking Knicks related news.
Jazz  
Jon in NYC : 4/30/2017 6:07 pm : link
about to beat Clippers in 7.

Good news for the Knicks.
Yep, that can only help the Knicks.  
bceagle05 : 4/30/2017 6:20 pm : link
Pretty clear they need to try a different combination.
I don't see how Doc will be able to use the injury excuse this year.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/30/2017 6:21 pm : link
The crazy thing is they had homecourt and looked awful in most of the 4 games.
Austin Rivers  
bceagle05 : 4/30/2017 6:38 pm : link
isn't very good at basketball.
RE: Austin Rivers  
Jon in NYC : 4/30/2017 6:50 pm : link
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isn't very good at basketball.


we're going to have to learn to love him
RE: Jazz  
PhiPsi125 : 4/30/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13455303 Jon in NYC said:
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about to beat Clippers in 7.

Good news for the Knicks.


It's really not good news if the big piece we'd get for Melo is Austin Rivers. Why even bother then?
Knicks would've dumped Melo for Rivers (and other garbage)  
bceagle05 : 4/30/2017 7:17 pm : link
at the deadline if that's all it would've taken. LAC certainly wouldn't have turned it down. We'll figure out a way to get a couple of picks at least.
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