Essentially his premise is on the Clippers side they would avoid committing 5 years to Griffin vs. "2" to Melo and the Knicks would have a dynamic duo with Griffin/KP
that the Clips wouldn't do that. Maybe a first round loss would change that, but I'm guessing we'd need a third team to get involved. Maybe send Lee and Melo to the Clips, Griffin to Mia/OKC, and we get whatever picks and young players we can, plus Phil's boy Austin Rivers.
Is Melo/Lee an upgrade - or at least a better fit - than Griffin/Reddick? Don't think so, but the Clips need a change and don't have the assets to get a George/Butler type.
RE: I think it only makes sense if we flip Blake Â
Blake doesn't have a NTC and can be sent to every team if you wanted. So you could trade for him then send him to Denver or OKC or Miami...places that maybe Melo wouldn't consider. Get the asset and figure it out later.
This year's pick?! Why would the Suns do that Griffin is even older than Bledsoe and they should trade Bledsoe for young players/picks. Plus Chriss is more or less a 20 year old Griffin.
The Clippers will start to ask themselves the hard questions: Does five more years of Griffin at a max salary make sense, or does maybe two years of Carmelo Anthony become an option?
not only is a one-for-one deal extremely unlikely considering Blake has no reason to want to come here...but I don't think that's what Woj is suggesting. What's more likely is that Blake goes elsewhere on his own (he can be a free agent after all) and the Clips then look to bring in Melo for whatever crap they're offering.
Why on Earth would he allow that to happen when he could be a FA? Even a max deal isn't worth going in with the Knicks right now.
The Blake option really complicates this. You'd really have to find a team that wants to pay him but is cap constrained, and has something to offer the Knicks in addition to expiring contracts.
Of course, Phil probably will overlook Blake's injury history. Healthy Blake is a great pair with KP -- Blake can man the middle offensively and is a good passing big. KP can do more of the rim protection.
damn good when he stays on the court. If he somehow finds his health and the Knicks land a stud guard in the draft they'd be off and running and in the mix right away. Of course, if they max him out and he's hurt the entire time then they are screwed.
Why on Earth would he allow that to happen when he could be a FA? Even a max deal isn't worth going in with the Knicks right now.
The Blake option really complicates this. You'd really have to find a team that wants to pay him but is cap constrained, and has something to offer the Knicks in addition to expiring contracts.
Of course, Phil probably will overlook Blake's injury history. Healthy Blake is a great pair with KP -- Blake can man the middle offensively and is a good passing big. KP can do more of the rim protection.
But yeah, sheesh. It is so risky to max Blake.
Blake really is a good fit next to kp and is a perfect fit for the offense the knicks will want to run..
he is a very good passer for a 4 man and his rangr has developed to the 3 point line..
This year's pick?! Why would the Suns do that Griffin is even older than Bledsoe and they should trade Bledsoe for young players/picks. Plus Chriss is more or less a 20 year old Griffin.
Having KP chase stretch 4s around the perimeter is dumb. KP is the perfect 5 for today's NBA.
Except he gets absolutely wrecked on the glass at the 5. Worse than Horford. Much worse, he can't even box out.
And more importantly, he can't set screens for absolute shit on offense. Having no one that can set screens on offense is...problematic to say the least.
3 way candidates (where Blake could say yes maybe) Â
Having KP chase stretch 4s around the perimeter is dumb. KP is the perfect 5 for today's NBA.
Except he gets absolutely wrecked on the glass at the 5. Worse than Horford. Much worse, he can't even box out.
And more importantly, he can't set screens for absolute shit on offense. Having no one that can set screens on offense is...problematic to say the least.
he is far from a finished product in some of these areas but you're overstating his issues IMO. Regardless, you live with those deficiencies in the short term with that idea that you can build a top 5 offense around him.
Jokic and look how that went for the nuggets. And Jokic is a BEAST rebounder.
I'd agree with that with a 4 like Griffin or Randle it would mitigate some of the issues with KP at the 5, but then you are killing all the benefits from playing KP at the 5 by playing a non-stretch 4.
KP should play the 5 in stretches. I don't think that should make up most of his time on the court, however.
of keeping Griffin. That's the equivalent of signing Melo to a 5 year deal a few years back. Maybe you get into the playoffs and win a round. But Griffin is probably going to be even worse than Melo at melo's current age and we'll have the whole dance about what team will trade for him again.
Jokic and look how that went for the nuggets. And Jokic is a BEAST rebounder.
I'd agree with that with a 4 like Griffin or Randle it would mitigate some of the issues with KP at the 5, but then you are killing all the benefits from playing KP at the 5 by playing a non-stretch 4.
KP should play the 5 in stretches. I don't think that should make up most of his time on the court, however.
Denver's D was as bad as its offense was good. Still, per the #s their win total underperformed production. Expected wins (BBR) was 42 which would be the 8 seed.
Denver gave a lot of run to 3 bad guards. Murray, Nelson, and Mudiay played 5215 minutes of 12 PER or less ball (.007, .065, and .038 WS48). That's 64 minutes per game over 82 games -- i.e. 32 minutes per game per guard slot.
of keeping Griffin. That's the equivalent of signing Melo to a 5 year deal a few years back. Maybe you get into the playoffs and win a round. But Griffin is probably going to be even worse than Melo at melo's current age and we'll have the whole dance about what team will trade for him again.
Hard pass.
You wont be in the NTC scenario. But yeah, Blake is too risky for THIS TEAM to max.
Jokic and look how that went for the nuggets. And Jokic is a BEAST rebounder.
I'd agree with that with a 4 like Griffin or Randle it would mitigate some of the issues with KP at the 5, but then you are killing all the benefits from playing KP at the 5 by playing a non-stretch 4.
KP should play the 5 in stretches. I don't think that should make up most of his time on the court, however.
Denver's D was as bad as its offense was good. Still, per the #s their win total underperformed production. Expected wins (BBR) was 42 which would be the 8 seed.
Denver gave a lot of run to 3 bad guards. Murray, Nelson, and Mudiay played 5215 minutes of 12 PER or less ball (.007, .065, and .038 WS48). That's 64 minutes per game over 82 games -- i.e. 32 minutes per game per guard slot.
Yeah also Jokic was a bum and was even benched for the first few weeks of the season and they missed the playoffs by like a game or two. So I cherry picked that team, sue me.
You can also reasonably project KP to be a much better defender than Jokic (at least rim protecting wise).
But overall I think center is a 10-15 minute role for KP, not a 25-30 minute gig. Sure you want to double down on spacing. But what about doublling down on length and having a solid traditional center at the 5 (could be Willy, could be someone else).
When he's healthy he's a max player. He can still dominate when he gets the ball and he's an excellent passer. He has expanded his offensive game. He doesn't dominate the ball and a very good guy to pair with another top player.
Remember that the Celts can renounce rights to FA Amir Johnson ($12M), Jerebko ($5M) and Olynyk ($3M) and fit Griffin's $20M cap hit without having to give up anything. Those 3 would be superfluous for Boston with Griffin on the roster.
I suppose that if Boston wanted to save cap space, they would renounce Johnson and Jerebko, and send Zeller to NY for Griffin and POQ. In that way, they could re-sign Olynyk if they wanted to- which might be wise for depth.
I think the smart move for the Knicks would NOT be to ask for the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but rather the 2018 pick- as well as Memphis's 2018 1st rounder, and a couple 2nd rounders.
When he's healthy he's a max player. He can still dominate when he gets the ball and he's an excellent passer. He has expanded his offensive game. He doesn't dominate the ball and a very good guy to pair with another top player.
so if you are the clippers you would max out paul and griffin and basically go the next 5 years eith the exact same team?
Paul gets heat for the playoff problems. In the collapse vs HOU, Griffin dominated but Paul wouldn't give up the ball in the 4th of the last 2 games. Both losses. He tried to take over. it didn't work.
Griffin can be a primary ball handler. He can be a point forward and thrive. When Paul is out and they need him to do it hes an elite player.
It's all about health. If Griffin is healthy he's a great guy to have on any team right now.
Paul gets heat for the playoff problems. In the collapse vs HOU, Griffin dominated but Paul wouldn't give up the ball in the 4th of the last 2 games. Both losses. He tried to take over. it didn't work.
Griffin can be a primary ball handler. He can be a point forward and thrive. When Paul is out and they need him to do it hes an elite player.
It's all about health. If Griffin is healthy he's a great guy to have on any team right now.
again its not about the single player, if you are the clippers why are you committing max dollars to keep the exact same team that has not won shit? it makes zero sense for the clippers to do that..
they dont even have 1st round picks to add to the team..
We're not getting Blake or any Brooklyn picks for Melo. Â
The Celtics would just do business directly with LAC, who I'm sure would rather have Josh Jackson or next year's Brooklyn pick than an aging Melo. Best we could do is pry Miami's lottery pick away in a Melo-to-LAC/Blake-to-MIA three-team swap. Or whatever OKC can spare us if Blake wants to go there.
This year's pick?! Why would the Suns do that Griffin is even older than Bledsoe and they should trade Bledsoe for young players/picks. Plus Chriss is more or less a 20 year old Griffin.
Thus the "lol". My expectation remains Melo to LAC in a deal centered around Rivers and future (2021/2023) picks.
could use help. If they picked up Joe Johnson it would have been the difference.
Whey not keep Paul, Griffin, and Jordan together? Then try and find better complimentary players. Get the right help and you can win a title with those 3.
That plan seems like a better shot at winning then breaking them up especially if it means bringing in a player like Melo. That to me isn't an option for them. It would be a terrible move. Melo is at the end of the line. It would be a step back.
This makes them worse, no question. I would guess that there would be a 3 way with Melo going to LAC, Griffin somewhere else and then pieces being split up going back to LAC and NY. So hypothetically:
Melo to LAC
Griffin to BOS
1st rounder to NYK from Boston
1st rounder to LAC from Boston
could use help. If they picked up Joe Johnson it would have been the difference.
Whey not keep Paul, Griffin, and Jordan together? Then try and find better complimentary players. Get the right help and you can win a title with those 3.
That plan seems like a better shot at winning then breaking them up especially if it means bringing in a player like Melo. That to me isn't an option for them. It would be a terrible move. Melo is at the end of the line. It would be a step back.
The Clippers already were in talks for Melo so clearly they have interest. It won't be for Griffin, that's fantasy talk but I suspect if you polled all GM's the Clippers would be the heavy favorites for him.
the problem with that trade is that the Celts can just sign Blake outright if he opts out.
True, but it might be in Griffin's interests to allow himself to be dealt to the Knicks, then opt-out and do a sign and trade deal to the team of his choice. Keep in mind that the Clips 1) might not be keen on sending him to a competitive team and 2) might not be willing to do a sign-and-trade deal.
By doing the sign and trade route, Griffin gets extra cash and possibly an extra year.
simply breaking them up makes no sense. It may work if you get value back. Melo is not value.
Injuries in playoffs have been a factor. Griffin's toe this year? Is it a freak thing or is the guy prone to injuries like that? I'd go with freak injury. Keep them together and build from there.
could use help. If they picked up Joe Johnson it would have been the difference.
Whey not keep Paul, Griffin, and Jordan together? Then try and find better complimentary players. Get the right help and you can win a title with those 3.
That plan seems like a better shot at winning then breaking them up especially if it means bringing in a player like Melo. That to me isn't an option for them. It would be a terrible move. Melo is at the end of the line. It would be a step back.
They have ZERO cap space and no draft picks, they can not improve that team...
put together a list of "intriguing" FA options, some that stand out
Joe Ingles (though he's already 29)
Potential Tyler Johnsons
Tyler Johnson got a $50 million offer sheet last summer, stunning casual fans who weren't familiar with the up-and-coming combo guard's work as a Heat reserve.
Justin Holiday, Knicks: He averaged only 20 minutes for a 31-win team, so a bidding war for his services would probably shock people. Plenty of teams could use his perimeter defense, though, and his 35.5 percent 3-point shooting is just good enough that one of them could make a bet on coaching him up to 40 percent.
JaMychal Green, Grizzlies (restricted): Did you know he shot 50.1 percent and 38.2 percent from deep this season? Green's range was crucial in giving Mike Conley space to make plays, and his versatile defense kept Memphis connected. He's far from a household name, but he's the kind of role player that helps in a number of ways and takes very little off the table.
Tony Snell, Bucks: I thought about putting him in the "playoff heroes" category because of how well he has played against the Raptors -- in the first five games of the series, he has defended DeMar DeRozan admirably while averaging 11.6 points on 52.5 percent shooting, including 53.3 percent from deep. In a much bigger role than he ever had with the Bulls, Snell had a true shooting percentage of 60.3 percent with the Bucks in the regular season. Again, everybody wants 3-and-D guys like him.
and then there is this...
Derrick Rose, Knicks: It seems nuts that New York would even consider bringing Rose back, but president Phil Jackson did not exactly close the door on that possibility when meeting with the media at the end of the season. Rose proved with the Knicks that he has some explosion left and can get into the paint better than most players at his position, but his game has serious limitations, especially on the defensive end. Nobody knows what his market will look like.
the problem with that trade is that the Celts can just sign Blake outright if he opts out.
True, but it might be in Griffin's interests to allow himself to be dealt to the Knicks, then opt-out and do a sign and trade deal to the team of his choice. Keep in mind that the Clips 1) might not be keen on sending him to a competitive team and 2) might not be willing to do a sign-and-trade deal.
By doing the sign and trade route, Griffin gets extra cash and possibly an extra year.
you don't get extra money or extra years via sign-and-trade anymore.
interesting for the Clips if Paul and Blake just decide to leave and sign elsewhere. If that happens, does Doc just decide to go somewhere else too? Do they trade DJ and go for a full rebuild?
interesting for the Clips if Paul and Blake just decide to leave and sign elsewhere. If that happens, does Doc just decide to go somewhere else too? Do they trade DJ and go for a full rebuild?
interesting for the Clips if Paul and Blake just decide to leave and sign elsewhere. If that happens, does Doc just decide to go somewhere else too? Do they trade DJ and go for a full rebuild?
if that happens they are screwed, no draft picks
slightly more complicated than that. They don't have a pick in June, but it will be in the 20s. And then the next one they owe is heavily protected and eventually converts to a #2 if not conveyed. Bottom line, they can tank if they want to.
maybe read what I wrote again? Tanking will obviously not impact the 2017 pick because it's already in the 20s. And if the 2019 picks is in lottery, they keep it. If it's in the lottery in 2020, they keep it.
Is not going to commit max money for an oft injured player and Melo is not a fit he is not the playmaker he once was can score but is a volume shoooter. Plus he is not going defend like we want. We need a rebounder and post presence. 6ers have to move a big that's where our deal is coming from and trying to get heyward. Also Brown will be even better next season .... his chance in the playoffs has not come yet. The pick this year will be fultz or josh Jackson unless someone comes with a mega offer. If Bradley and smart could just be more consistent with their shot. The pick would be josh Jackson no doubt.
maybe read what I wrote again? Tanking will obviously not impact the 2017 pick because it's already in the 20s. And if the 2019 picks is in lottery, they keep it. If it's in the lottery in 2020, they keep it.
Is not going to commit max money for an oft injured player and Melo is not a fit he is not the playmaker he once was can score but is a volume shoooter. Plus he is not going defend like we want. We need a rebounder and post presence. 6ers have to move a big that's where our deal is coming from and trying to get heyward. Also Brown will be even better next season .... his chance in the playoffs has not come yet. The pick this year will be fultz or josh Jackson unless someone comes with a mega offer. If Bradley and smart could just be more consistent with their shot. The pick would be josh Jackson no doubt.
I can guarantee Boston will not have a chance at Hayward. He's staying in Utah, you can book that.
Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop Â
is in awesome shape. Nice young roster, 2 young studs in Hayward and Gobert, Exum/Lyles haven't been very good but they are still only 21 with talent, Favors,Hood, presumably they will keep Hill and Ingles and then they have 2 firsts this year (granted 1 is the warriors, 2 2nds this year, + 2 firsts next year (theirs and OKC)
“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’
“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’
Rose looks like a space cadet to me. A guy who is living in his own world, which is moving at a different speed.
RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop Â
they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
means max guys would be leaving a boatload on the table if they leave for their 3rd contract. Or is that just for guys who hit the MVP/First Team levels.
“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’
Rose looks like a space cadet to me. A guy who is living in his own world, which is moving at a different speed.
Which is part of the reason I'm trying to understand the argument for bringing him back. He had no real chemistry with KP/Willy, it's evident he's not a "leader" vocally or by his actions. He undermines the coaches vs. being a veteran asset. He reportedly was unhappy being benched for Baker (we are hopeful a rookie more deserving of major PT than Baker is brought on via the draft) He can still score, wonderful for him but does next to nothing for the Knicks. Sign a guy like Sergio Rodriguez to a 1 year deal at inflated AAV.
RE: RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop Â
they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
What about Joel Embiid? I think the sixers could be willing to part at the right price, he's due for a big contract next season. May be able to get him without a BKN pick.
RE: RE: Ainge is not going to wait for a draft pick to develop Â
they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
umm because your 2 best players are pver 30, one you are about to give big money to..
you are going to build around them, he is not going to build around the draft picks...
You arent getting Embiid for less than a BK pick Â
I dont know if Philly would consider trading him. But if they did, it would be for another super-duper star possible return. Embiid obviously got hurt. But when he played he was flashing Shaq/Robinson/Hakeem level impact potential.
apparently kobe was telling melo basically to suck it up with phil and that you have to go through the bad first and melo basically didnt want to hear it
they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
umm because your 2 best players are pver 30, one you are about to give big money to..
you are going to build around them, he is not going to build around the draft picks...
This is B-Ball not football 30 is not the same. However you mention 2 out off 15 .... that is not even 25% of the team and Rozier, Smart, Brown, Zizic & Yabo plus the THREE LOTTERY PICKS in the next 2 yrs we are far from old and in win now mode ...
Dont hate cause your FO sucks as does your team. Your best player is never going to get it done ... now you have trade him on a buyer's market and guess what he aint leaving LaLa (she aint leaving NY) soooo he aint going nowhere (no trade clause) ... dude about to try and save his marriage
The Knicks are in perpetual rebuild mode while trying to reclaim past glory ... No one cares about playing in the Garden ... Maybe the bigger market is appealing but going to a perennial loser is not.
is something a shitty franchise can emulate even when lacking the talent
"Prior to joining the Heat, Waiters thought he was already in excellent shape after playing four years in the NBA. James Johnson, who had been in the NBA for seven seasons and can literally kick the rim on a regulation hoop, thought the same thing prior to signing with Miami last offseason.
Most players have this reaction. Then, they show up for the team’s workouts.
“After one week, my body [was] shot,” Waiters recalled. “I was damn near throwing up in trash cans like in the movies.”
The Heat’s offseason workouts, training camps and practices are the stuff of legend. Players work extremely hard, spending a ton of time on conditioning and weight training. And it never really lets up. This year’s team was still doing full-contact practices in the final week of this season – even when a playoff berth was a realistic possibility.
“They had us come in early during the offseason to prepare for training camp,” said one current Heat player, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We did sprints and other conditioning drills, and we even went outside to push some sleds and flip tires and stuff like that. This was all to get ready for training camp.
“When camp started, it was definitely different. With other teams, they may have veterans who can’t run as much so the training camp is kind of built to accommodate those guys. In Miami, we were all trying to make a name for ourselves so it was competitive and we were all ready to work hard. We had sayings like, ‘No fake gym rats,’ ‘No excuses,’ and, ‘Always get one percent better.’ If you came to the gym, it wasn’t to make an appearance so the coaches can see you. You’re coming to get better. We don’t want any fake gym rats.”
While intense, the work paid off. Sources say that Waiters trimmed his body fat percentage by nearly five percent from the start of the season to now. He was so proud of the transformation that he posted a copy of his before-and-after picture on Snapchat after the season ended." Link - ( New Window )
the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...
Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
Yeah that's Rondo and a bunch of role players. And Rozier, who has been worse than Jerian grant. You missed a lot of better players taken during the Ainge era (though no one great), like Al Jeff and Tony Allen. But all in all, a lot of role players and duds.
I wont roast Ainge for his drafts, but he doesnt deserve praise. It's tough to draft outside of the elite picks. Ainge goes for singles a lot, and gets some. But role players.
RE: RE: RE: Ainge doesnt build through the draft Â
the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...
Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
and all role players...
hos championship was built on trades..
this team is good because of a trade and free afency..
his teams are not built through the draft..
you just named 7 pivks out of how many first rounders he has had?
2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown University of California, Berkeley
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele Rouen Métropole Basket (France)
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić Cibona Zagreb (Croatia)
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier University of Louisville
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter Georgia State University
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart Oklahoma State
2014 1 17 James Young University of Kentucky
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira CB Estudiantes (Spain)
2012 1 21 Jared Sullinger Ohio State University
2012 1 22 Fab Melo Syracuse University
2011 1 25 MarShon Brooks Providence College
2010 1 19 Avery Bradley University of Texas at Austin
2008 1 30 J. R. Giddens University of New Mexico
2007 1 5 Jeff Green Georgetown University
2006 1 7 Randy Foye Villanova University
2005 1 18 Gerald Green Gulf Shores Academy
2004 1 15 Al Jefferson Prentiss
2004 1 24 Delonte West Saint Joseph's University
2004 1 25 Tony Allen Oklahoma State University
2003 1 16 Troy Bell Boston College
*Nogueira becomes Kelly Olynk
*Foye becomes Telfair and Theo Ratcliff
Tony Allen, Al Jefferson, **Gerald Green
So again to say he has drafted poorly is not correct because you name 1 GM in the NBA that hit on all picks. He has only had 5 lottery picks if you count the UPCOMING draft ... so show me where he drafts bad
That is not a lot of picks ... to say he found role players in the area of the draft where you find role players means he has done his good in drafting.
Brown is his keeper lottery pick and this yr ... Fultz or Jackson ... (I know the #1 overall should be a superstar ... what about the kid Cleveland pick ... bust the draft is a gamble) so for a dude that only has actually kept 1 lottery pick Brown.... who is playing pretty good for rookie he gets a passing grade. If you want to penalize him for trading picks so be it ... but when you have a Paul Pierce on the last leg of his prime play and you got a chance to get 2 max players you go for it...small window chase for a ring ... we are not in that position as IT ages as Horford ages we'll have guys in place to take the reigns ... no need to panic just because your FO is in panic mode and is eyeing out plate does not mean we have to follow.
You know that there is going to be a lottery, right? Â
all i said was he iz better at making trades than he is drafting..
that is why i said he is going to trade for a superstar
no harm no foul ... I just think he gets a knock for drafting unfairly ... he has said he will not getting another trade that got the RA and KG and then flip them and the Coach the way he did ... he knows now it is convert to the SA format best you can .... He accessing the situation and adapts ... hence no trades even though he is a trader and gambler by nature
Agreed.
Is Melo/Lee an upgrade - or at least a better fit - than Griffin/Reddick? Don't think so, but the Clips need a change and don't have the assets to get a George/Butler type.
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This....
Or to Miami for Tyler Johnson and a 1st.
Or to utah for Favors, Burks and exum
Or to OKC for oladipo grant and abrines.
Send KOQ and/or lee along as needed.
This year's pick?! Why would the Suns do that Griffin is even older than Bledsoe and they should trade Bledsoe for young players/picks. Plus Chriss is more or less a 20 year old Griffin.
not only is a one-for-one deal extremely unlikely considering Blake has no reason to want to come here...but I don't think that's what Woj is suggesting. What's more likely is that Blake goes elsewhere on his own (he can be a free agent after all) and the Clips then look to bring in Melo for whatever crap they're offering.
Having KP chase stretch 4s around the perimeter is dumb. KP is the perfect 5 for today's NBA.
The Blake option really complicates this. You'd really have to find a team that wants to pay him but is cap constrained, and has something to offer the Knicks in addition to expiring contracts.
Of course, Phil probably will overlook Blake's injury history. Healthy Blake is a great pair with KP -- Blake can man the middle offensively and is a good passing big. KP can do more of the rim protection.
But yeah, sheesh. It is so risky to max Blake.
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Why on Earth would he allow that to happen when he could be a FA? Even a max deal isn't worth going in with the Knicks right now.
The Blake option really complicates this. You'd really have to find a team that wants to pay him but is cap constrained, and has something to offer the Knicks in addition to expiring contracts.
Of course, Phil probably will overlook Blake's injury history. Healthy Blake is a great pair with KP -- Blake can man the middle offensively and is a good passing big. KP can do more of the rim protection.
But yeah, sheesh. It is so risky to max Blake.
Blake really is a good fit next to kp and is a perfect fit for the offense the knicks will want to run..
he is a very good passer for a 4 man and his rangr has developed to the 3 point line..
This year's pick?! Why would the Suns do that Griffin is even older than Bledsoe and they should trade Bledsoe for young players/picks. Plus Chriss is more or less a 20 year old Griffin.
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and making KP a 5 is dumb.
Having KP chase stretch 4s around the perimeter is dumb. KP is the perfect 5 for today's NBA.
Except he gets absolutely wrecked on the glass at the 5. Worse than Horford. Much worse, he can't even box out.
And more importantly, he can't set screens for absolute shit on offense. Having no one that can set screens on offense is...problematic to say the least.
CLE: Love
OKC: Oladipo
MILW: Various
DAL: Barnes
MIA: Winslow/Bosh
[note: these are the main pieces -- there would be other pieces involved]
Ultimately I believe KP will end up as a 5 but he needs to get stronger first.
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and making KP a 5 is dumb.
Having KP chase stretch 4s around the perimeter is dumb. KP is the perfect 5 for today's NBA.
Except he gets absolutely wrecked on the glass at the 5. Worse than Horford. Much worse, he can't even box out.
And more importantly, he can't set screens for absolute shit on offense. Having no one that can set screens on offense is...problematic to say the least.
he is far from a finished product in some of these areas but you're overstating his issues IMO. Regardless, you live with those deficiencies in the short term with that idea that you can build a top 5 offense around him.
I'd agree with that with a 4 like Griffin or Randle it would mitigate some of the issues with KP at the 5, but then you are killing all the benefits from playing KP at the 5 by playing a non-stretch 4.
KP should play the 5 in stretches. I don't think that should make up most of his time on the court, however.
question is can griffin stay healthy, he is still relatively young...
Hard pass.
I'd agree with that with a 4 like Griffin or Randle it would mitigate some of the issues with KP at the 5, but then you are killing all the benefits from playing KP at the 5 by playing a non-stretch 4.
KP should play the 5 in stretches. I don't think that should make up most of his time on the court, however.
Denver's D was as bad as its offense was good. Still, per the #s their win total underperformed production. Expected wins (BBR) was 42 which would be the 8 seed.
Denver gave a lot of run to 3 bad guards. Murray, Nelson, and Mudiay played 5215 minutes of 12 PER or less ball (.007, .065, and .038 WS48). That's 64 minutes per game over 82 games -- i.e. 32 minutes per game per guard slot.
Hard pass.
You wont be in the NTC scenario. But yeah, Blake is too risky for THIS TEAM to max.
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Jokic and look how that went for the nuggets. And Jokic is a BEAST rebounder.
I'd agree with that with a 4 like Griffin or Randle it would mitigate some of the issues with KP at the 5, but then you are killing all the benefits from playing KP at the 5 by playing a non-stretch 4.
KP should play the 5 in stretches. I don't think that should make up most of his time on the court, however.
Denver's D was as bad as its offense was good. Still, per the #s their win total underperformed production. Expected wins (BBR) was 42 which would be the 8 seed.
Denver gave a lot of run to 3 bad guards. Murray, Nelson, and Mudiay played 5215 minutes of 12 PER or less ball (.007, .065, and .038 WS48). That's 64 minutes per game over 82 games -- i.e. 32 minutes per game per guard slot.
Yeah also Jokic was a bum and was even benched for the first few weeks of the season and they missed the playoffs by like a game or two. So I cherry picked that team, sue me.
You can also reasonably project KP to be a much better defender than Jokic (at least rim protecting wise).
But overall I think center is a 10-15 minute role for KP, not a 25-30 minute gig. Sure you want to double down on spacing. But what about doublling down on length and having a solid traditional center at the 5 (could be Willy, could be someone else).
I still think Cleveland is going to be where he ends up.
Would they be fools to max Blake?
I'd strongly consider betting on a core of Lowry, derozan, Griffin and Ibaka to take down the Cavs.
clippers are going nowhere and with paul and griffin a free agent and no room to improve they have to do something...
also redick is a free agent..
i love how paul gets no criticism for his playoff failures
When he's healthy he's a max player. He can still dominate when he gets the ball and he's an excellent passer. He has expanded his offensive game. He doesn't dominate the ball and a very good guy to pair with another top player.
Griffin to the Celts
picks to the Knicks
Remember that the Celts can renounce rights to FA Amir Johnson ($12M), Jerebko ($5M) and Olynyk ($3M) and fit Griffin's $20M cap hit without having to give up anything. Those 3 would be superfluous for Boston with Griffin on the roster.
I suppose that if Boston wanted to save cap space, they would renounce Johnson and Jerebko, and send Zeller to NY for Griffin and POQ. In that way, they could re-sign Olynyk if they wanted to- which might be wise for depth.
I think the smart move for the Knicks would NOT be to ask for the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but rather the 2018 pick- as well as Memphis's 2018 1st rounder, and a couple 2nd rounders.
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to make this move. I'd say the chances of this happening are O.
clippers are going nowhere and with paul and griffin a free agent and no room to improve they have to do something...
also redick is a free agent..
i love how paul gets no criticism for his playoff failures
No criticism? That's literally all I hear about paul nowadays.
When he's healthy he's a max player. He can still dominate when he gets the ball and he's an excellent passer. He has expanded his offensive game. He doesn't dominate the ball and a very good guy to pair with another top player.
so if you are the clippers you would max out paul and griffin and basically go the next 5 years eith the exact same team?
Griffin can be a primary ball handler. He can be a point forward and thrive. When Paul is out and they need him to do it hes an elite player.
It's all about health. If Griffin is healthy he's a great guy to have on any team right now.
Griffin can be a primary ball handler. He can be a point forward and thrive. When Paul is out and they need him to do it hes an elite player.
It's all about health. If Griffin is healthy he's a great guy to have on any team right now.
again its not about the single player, if you are the clippers why are you committing max dollars to keep the exact same team that has not won shit? it makes zero sense for the clippers to do that..
they dont even have 1st round picks to add to the team..
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to the Suns for their pick and Bledsoe. Done! lol
This year's pick?! Why would the Suns do that Griffin is even older than Bledsoe and they should trade Bledsoe for young players/picks. Plus Chriss is more or less a 20 year old Griffin.
Thus the "lol". My expectation remains Melo to LAC in a deal centered around Rivers and future (2021/2023) picks.
Whey not keep Paul, Griffin, and Jordan together? Then try and find better complimentary players. Get the right help and you can win a title with those 3.
That plan seems like a better shot at winning then breaking them up especially if it means bringing in a player like Melo. That to me isn't an option for them. It would be a terrible move. Melo is at the end of the line. It would be a step back.
Melo to LAC
Griffin to BOS
1st rounder to NYK from Boston
1st rounder to LAC from Boston
Whey not keep Paul, Griffin, and Jordan together? Then try and find better complimentary players. Get the right help and you can win a title with those 3.
That plan seems like a better shot at winning then breaking them up especially if it means bringing in a player like Melo. That to me isn't an option for them. It would be a terrible move. Melo is at the end of the line. It would be a step back.
The Clippers already were in talks for Melo so clearly they have interest. It won't be for Griffin, that's fantasy talk but I suspect if you polled all GM's the Clippers would be the heavy favorites for him.
True, but it might be in Griffin's interests to allow himself to be dealt to the Knicks, then opt-out and do a sign and trade deal to the team of his choice. Keep in mind that the Clips 1) might not be keen on sending him to a competitive team and 2) might not be willing to do a sign-and-trade deal.
By doing the sign and trade route, Griffin gets extra cash and possibly an extra year.
Injuries in playoffs have been a factor. Griffin's toe this year? Is it a freak thing or is the guy prone to injuries like that? I'd go with freak injury. Keep them together and build from there.
Whey not keep Paul, Griffin, and Jordan together? Then try and find better complimentary players. Get the right help and you can win a title with those 3.
That plan seems like a better shot at winning then breaking them up especially if it means bringing in a player like Melo. That to me isn't an option for them. It would be a terrible move. Melo is at the end of the line. It would be a step back.
They have ZERO cap space and no draft picks, they can not improve that team...
Joe Ingles (though he's already 29)
Potential Tyler Johnsons
Tyler Johnson got a $50 million offer sheet last summer, stunning casual fans who weren't familiar with the up-and-coming combo guard's work as a Heat reserve.
Justin Holiday, Knicks: He averaged only 20 minutes for a 31-win team, so a bidding war for his services would probably shock people. Plenty of teams could use his perimeter defense, though, and his 35.5 percent 3-point shooting is just good enough that one of them could make a bet on coaching him up to 40 percent.
JaMychal Green, Grizzlies (restricted): Did you know he shot 50.1 percent and 38.2 percent from deep this season? Green's range was crucial in giving Mike Conley space to make plays, and his versatile defense kept Memphis connected. He's far from a household name, but he's the kind of role player that helps in a number of ways and takes very little off the table.
Tony Snell, Bucks: I thought about putting him in the "playoff heroes" category because of how well he has played against the Raptors -- in the first five games of the series, he has defended DeMar DeRozan admirably while averaging 11.6 points on 52.5 percent shooting, including 53.3 percent from deep. In a much bigger role than he ever had with the Bulls, Snell had a true shooting percentage of 60.3 percent with the Bucks in the regular season. Again, everybody wants 3-and-D guys like him.
and then there is this...
Derrick Rose, Knicks: It seems nuts that New York would even consider bringing Rose back, but president Phil Jackson did not exactly close the door on that possibility when meeting with the media at the end of the season. Rose proved with the Knicks that he has some explosion left and can get into the paint better than most players at his position, but his game has serious limitations, especially on the defensive end. Nobody knows what his market will look like.
He's talking about guys who will get "Tyler Johnson" deals.
Snell is intriguing. Thought he would be better in the nba but looks like a prototypical 3 and D wing.
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the problem with that trade is that the Celts can just sign Blake outright if he opts out.
True, but it might be in Griffin's interests to allow himself to be dealt to the Knicks, then opt-out and do a sign and trade deal to the team of his choice. Keep in mind that the Clips 1) might not be keen on sending him to a competitive team and 2) might not be willing to do a sign-and-trade deal.
By doing the sign and trade route, Griffin gets extra cash and possibly an extra year.
you don't get extra money or extra years via sign-and-trade anymore.
if that happens they are screwed, no draft picks
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interesting for the Clips if Paul and Blake just decide to leave and sign elsewhere. If that happens, does Doc just decide to go somewhere else too? Do they trade DJ and go for a full rebuild?
if that happens they are screwed, no draft picks
slightly more complicated than that. They don't have a pick in June, but it will be in the 20s. And then the next one they owe is heavily protected and eventually converts to a #2 if not conveyed. Bottom line, they can tank if they want to.
how can they tank?
how can they tank?
maybe read what I wrote again? Tanking will obviously not impact the 2017 pick because it's already in the 20s. And if the 2019 picks is in lottery, they keep it. If it's in the lottery in 2020, they keep it.
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and they have zero 2md round picks...
how can they tank?
maybe read what I wrote again? Tanking will obviously not impact the 2017 pick because it's already in the 20s. And if the 2019 picks is in lottery, they keep it. If it's in the lottery in 2020, they keep it.
yeah i re read it, my mistake..
I can guarantee Boston will not have a chance at Hayward. He's staying in Utah, you can book that.
utah has a good young core he can grow with, he is not leaving that..
Rose looks like a space cadet to me. A guy who is living in his own world, which is moving at a different speed.
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
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“[Carmelo Anthony] off the court is calm. There are rare moments when he heats up about something, [Derrick] Rose is quiet, he barely talks. So Noah was the guy who tried to talk, tried to help and spoke to coaches, too. But even he could not influence the wrong decisions we made. It was difficult. But Joakim is the guy – he maybe did not play at the level we all wanted, but he could say loud things others did not want to say.’’
Rose looks like a space cadet to me. A guy who is living in his own world, which is moving at a different speed.
Which is part of the reason I'm trying to understand the argument for bringing him back. He had no real chemistry with KP/Willy, it's evident he's not a "leader" vocally or by his actions. He undermines the coaches vs. being a veteran asset. He reportedly was unhappy being benched for Baker (we are hopeful a rookie more deserving of major PT than Baker is brought on via the draft) He can still score, wonderful for him but does next to nothing for the Knicks. Sign a guy like Sergio Rodriguez to a 1 year deal at inflated AAV.
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
What about Joel Embiid? I think the sixers could be willing to part at the right price, he's due for a big contract next season. May be able to get him without a BKN pick.
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
umm because your 2 best players are pver 30, one you are about to give big money to..
you are going to build around them, he is not going to build around the draft picks...
then they shouldnt give a 5 year max deal to thomas...
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They're essentially a rebuilding team that gets playoff ticket sales and sold out arenas in the regular season. Best of both worlds.
then they shouldnt give a 5 year max deal to thomas...
They haven't...
apparently kobe was telling melo basically to suck it up with phil and that you have to go through the bad first and melo basically didnt want to hear it
i dunno i heard it on alan hahn
Bulls with Rondo would've beaten them
Melo would've made a huge difference on this team
Thunder could've absolutely used Melo. Westbrook had no other scorer
If Cavs don't win Lebron will be hollering for Melo
Clips are a mess Don't know what to expect from them
CP3 is such an overrated so called superstar and can never get this team to advance
Jeannie Buss and Magic will be inquiring too
Bulls with Rondo would've beaten them
Melo would've made a huge difference on this team
Thunder could've absolutely used Melo. Westbrook had no other scorer
If Cavs don't win Lebron will be hollering for Melo
Clips are a mess Don't know what to expect from them
CP3 is such an overrated so called superstar and can never get this team to advance
Jeannie Buss and Magic will be inquiring too
Who's knocking down the door for an old, expensive, declining scorer to come to their team and be quicksand for your offense?
Danny Ainge doesn't make trades unless they're brutally lopsided in his favor.
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Celtics aren't as good as Ainge thought they were
Bulls with Rondo would've beaten them
Melo would've made a huge difference on this team
TTH. We will see and reconvene at draft
Thunder could've absolutely used Melo. Westbrook had no other scorer
If Cavs don't win Lebron will be hollering for Melo
Clips are a mess Don't know what to expect from them
CP3 is such an overrated so called superstar and can never get this team to advance
Jeannie Buss and Magic will be inquiring too
Who's knocking down the door for an old, expensive, declining scorer to come to their team and be quicksand for your offense?
Danny Ainge doesn't make trades unless they're brutally lopsided in his favor.
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they are an older win now team, guarantee he trades for a superstar...
How are we an older team? In a must win now mode we are actually over achieving and ahead of schedule for the rebuild. There is no need to mortgage the future .... we actually have to stashed lottery picks coming over next season a C and PF. That's why Flutz or Jackson is the pick. A 6ers big will be in green next season as well. Now someone maybe able to get our 1st next or the Brooklyn pick next year but the offer will have to good. Now that is a trade that might happen but it will be a team in the blowup rebuild mode .... Pacers maybe for P George
umm because your 2 best players are pver 30, one you are about to give big money to..
you are going to build around them, he is not going to build around the draft picks...
This is B-Ball not football 30 is not the same. However you mention 2 out off 15 .... that is not even 25% of the team and Rozier, Smart, Brown, Zizic & Yabo plus the THREE LOTTERY PICKS in the next 2 yrs we are far from old and in win now mode ...
Dont hate cause your FO sucks as does your team. Your best player is never going to get it done ... now you have trade him on a buyer's market and guess what he aint leaving LaLa (she aint leaving NY) soooo he aint going nowhere (no trade clause) ... dude about to try and save his marriage
The Knicks are in perpetual rebuild mode while trying to reclaim past glory ... No one cares about playing in the Garden ... Maybe the bigger market is appealing but going to a perennial loser is not.
"Prior to joining the Heat, Waiters thought he was already in excellent shape after playing four years in the NBA. James Johnson, who had been in the NBA for seven seasons and can literally kick the rim on a regulation hoop, thought the same thing prior to signing with Miami last offseason.
Most players have this reaction. Then, they show up for the team’s workouts.
“After one week, my body [was] shot,” Waiters recalled. “I was damn near throwing up in trash cans like in the movies.”
The Heat’s offseason workouts, training camps and practices are the stuff of legend. Players work extremely hard, spending a ton of time on conditioning and weight training. And it never really lets up. This year’s team was still doing full-contact practices in the final week of this season – even when a playoff berth was a realistic possibility.
“They had us come in early during the offseason to prepare for training camp,” said one current Heat player, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We did sprints and other conditioning drills, and we even went outside to push some sleds and flip tires and stuff like that. This was all to get ready for training camp.
“When camp started, it was definitely different. With other teams, they may have veterans who can’t run as much so the training camp is kind of built to accommodate those guys. In Miami, we were all trying to make a name for ourselves so it was competitive and we were all ready to work hard. We had sayings like, ‘No fake gym rats,’ ‘No excuses,’ and, ‘Always get one percent better.’ If you came to the gym, it wasn’t to make an appearance so the coaches can see you. You’re coming to get better. We don’t want any fake gym rats.”
While intense, the work paid off. Sources say that Waiters trimmed his body fat percentage by nearly five percent from the start of the season to now. He was so proud of the transformation that he posted a copy of his before-and-after picture on Snapchat after the season ended."
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Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...
Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
and all role players...
hos championship was built on trades..
this team is good because of a trade and free afency..
his teams are not built through the draft..
you just named 7 pivks out of how many first rounders he has had?
LOL
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...
Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
Yeah that's Rondo and a bunch of role players. And Rozier, who has been worse than Jerian grant. You missed a lot of better players taken during the Ainge era (though no one great), like Al Jeff and Tony Allen. But all in all, a lot of role players and duds.
I wont roast Ainge for his drafts, but he doesnt deserve praise. It's tough to draft outside of the elite picks. Ainge goes for singles a lot, and gets some. But role players.
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the celtics are nothing but overachieving role players with 1 superstar who is playing out of his mind...
Celtics will never win a championship with the core they have, and ainge is a horrible drafter..
guarantee he trades for superstar..
cletics are damn lucky billy king is a moron
Hmmm Smart, Brown, Rozier, Bradley, *Rondo all picks on his watch ... but ok not to mention Zizic and Yabo (coming over next season)
and all role players...
hos championship was built on trades..
this team is good because of a trade and free afency..
his teams are not built through the draft..
you just named 7 pivks out of how many first rounders he has had?
2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown University of California, Berkeley
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele Rouen Métropole Basket (France)
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić Cibona Zagreb (Croatia)
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier University of Louisville
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter Georgia State University
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart Oklahoma State
2014 1 17 James Young University of Kentucky
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira CB Estudiantes (Spain)
2012 1 21 Jared Sullinger Ohio State University
2012 1 22 Fab Melo Syracuse University
2011 1 25 MarShon Brooks Providence College
2010 1 19 Avery Bradley University of Texas at Austin
2008 1 30 J. R. Giddens University of New Mexico
2007 1 5 Jeff Green Georgetown University
2006 1 7 Randy Foye Villanova University
2005 1 18 Gerald Green Gulf Shores Academy
2004 1 15 Al Jefferson Prentiss
2004 1 24 Delonte West Saint Joseph's University
2004 1 25 Tony Allen Oklahoma State University
2003 1 16 Troy Bell Boston College
*Nogueira becomes Kelly Olynk
*Foye becomes Telfair and Theo Ratcliff
Tony Allen, Al Jefferson, **Gerald Green
So again to say he has drafted poorly is not correct because you name 1 GM in the NBA that hit on all picks. He has only had 5 lottery picks if you count the UPCOMING draft ... so show me where he drafts bad
but which pick did he hit out of the park? absolutely zero, but he is not a good drafter, he builds through trades..
he drafts a bunch of role players..
avery bradley is probably his best pick
especially with thr lotto picks he had
That is not a lot of picks ... to say he found role players in the area of the draft where you find role players means he has done his good in drafting.
Brown is his keeper lottery pick and this yr ... Fultz or Jackson ... (I know the #1 overall should be a superstar ... what about the kid Cleveland pick ... bust the draft is a gamble) so for a dude that only has actually kept 1 lottery pick Brown.... who is playing pretty good for rookie he gets a passing grade. If you want to penalize him for trading picks so be it ... but when you have a Paul Pierce on the last leg of his prime play and you got a chance to get 2 max players you go for it...small window chase for a ring ... we are not in that position as IT ages as Horford ages we'll have guys in place to take the reigns ... no need to panic just because your FO is in panic mode and is eyeing out plate does not mean we have to follow.
that is why i said he is going to trade for a superstar
yea that why I said Fultz or Jackson ...
that is why i said he is going to trade for a superstar
no harm no foul ... I just think he gets a knock for drafting unfairly ... he has said he will not getting another trade that got the RA and KG and then flip them and the Coach the way he did ... he knows now it is convert to the SA format best you can .... He accessing the situation and adapts ... hence no trades even though he is a trader and gambler by nature
Good news for the Knicks.
we're going to have to learn to love him
Good news for the Knicks.
It's really not good news if the big piece we'd get for Melo is Austin Rivers. Why even bother then?