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ThatLimerickGuy : 4/27/2017 10:51 am
As I said yesterday, when you pick in the top 10 it becomes much easier to hone in on one or two players who you expect to be available when you pick and build a draft strategy around that. At 23, you need to expand your dart board a little bit.

That being said- my 2 sources are actually pretty much in line with each other, in what they told me.

There are 3 names that are heavily attached to the Giants in the agent and coaching circles.

1. Zach Cunningham- Vandy LB
2. Taco Charlton- Michigan DE
3. Charles Harris- Missouri DE

Again. DON'T kill the messenger if I am wrong. I hesitate to post this stuff but I know a lot of you guys like to hear what the scuttlebutt is. The Giants could be getting great at smoke as last year there was heavy word that the Giants coveted Myles Jack in the 1st.
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RE: I'm hoping this is a smoke show because people  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13444805 732NYG said:
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have been linking the Giants to other players at those positions.

Reporters are paid to produce content. Doesn't mean it's always anything more than projections.
Those options suck.  
KerrysFlask : 4/27/2017 1:04 pm : link
Maybe Taco. Maybe....
ThatLimerickGuy  
robbieballs2003 : 4/27/2017 1:07 pm : link
You have been great this offseason with the information but this is the one time I hope this information is not correct.
All three of those guys  
section125 : 4/27/2017 1:11 pm : link
make the Giants better. Not my choice, but Jerry gets the 1st rounders right.
Harris is going to  
area junc : 4/27/2017 1:13 pm : link
be a very good pure pass rusher at RDE which is what the Giants need. Lots of players who could make us better !

They could get Harris screaming off the edge and move JPP + Vernon around on 3rd down.
RE: Harris is going to  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13444967 area junc said:
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be a very good pure pass rusher at RDE which is what the Giants need. Lots of players who could make us better !

They could get Harris screaming off the edge and move JPP + Vernon around on 3rd down.

Isn't that what Vernon's for?
great at smoke?  
SamdaGiantsFan : 4/27/2017 1:18 pm : link
Maybe Myles Jack was a smokescreen, but everyone and their mother knew how much we wanted leonard floyd ...
RE: Jordan Willis  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13444721 Marty866b said:
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Better prospect then the three players mentioned here. Hope the OP is wrong. Not happy with the names being attached to the Giants. Njoku,Davis,Engram,Jackson,and Willis would all be better selections then the three players mentioned. I don't like outside pass rushers who aren't fast.


+1 on Willis being better than Taco and especially Harris. I hate Harris and think he is not very good. Cunningham though is legit.
I took Charlton in a few mock drafts  
mort christenson : 4/27/2017 1:39 pm : link
He's got Giants DE written all over him.
Cunnigham  
RAIN : 4/27/2017 1:46 pm : link
is a run around LB. He is a drag down tackler. If he's running a 4.4 and dragging people down.. then I understand. The talent, doesn't match the round, IMO.

Fine in 2/3.. please no in round 1.
RE: ThatLimerickGuy  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/27/2017 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13444957 robbieballs2003 said:
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You have been great this offseason with the information but this is the one time I hope this information is not correct.


I don't disagree with you.

There are 30 guys I would take before any of them.
RE: I believe they like Charlton as a 3 tech DT  
chopperhatch : 4/27/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13444869 jlukes said:
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rather than an edge guy


Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
RE: RE: I believe they like Charlton as a 3 tech DT  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13445149 chopperhatch said:
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rather than an edge guy



Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.


JP was one of the very best in his prime prior to injuries mounting
RE: RE: I believe they like Charlton as a 3 tech DT  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13445149 chopperhatch said:
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rather than an edge guy



Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.


You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.
Cunningham is not Peterson  
Sy'56 : 4/27/2017 2:52 pm : link
NOT EVEN CLOSE
RE: Cunningham is not Peterson  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 3:08 pm : link
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NOT EVEN CLOSE


I agree they aren't the same player at all. To me when I see Zach Cunningham I see Derrick Johnson who played for Texas. now Johnson had that great ball punch in college and was also better in coverage. But they both run to the ball the same way if you ask me.
I'd  
AcidTest : 4/27/2017 3:22 pm : link
prefer Davis or Bowser, but I'd be fine with any of those three picks. I agree that Charlton is a classic Giants DE. Cunningham can cover, and has tremendous speed. He probably reminds them of Floyd. Harris is a speed rusher around the edge.
What about Wormley, I don't like any of these three  
ij_reilly : 4/27/2017 3:24 pm : link
Too many question marks on the three mentioned. I don't like any of them. I thought Harris was a 2nd round guy anyway?

Isn't Wormley a superior option?
I am not a fan of Cunningham either. Not physical at all, IMO.  
BLUATHRT : 4/27/2017 3:24 pm : link
If Foster or Riddick are there at 23, I pull the trigger. Watt, if we trade back.
Also, I like Bowser- but we already have a similar player  
BLUATHRT : 4/27/2017 3:26 pm : link
starting in Kennard.
RE: Cunnigham  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13445037 RAIN said:
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is a run around LB. He is a drag down tackler. If he's running a 4.4 and dragging people down.. then I understand. The talent, doesn't match the round, IMO.

Fine in 2/3.. please no in round 1.


Cunningham is always around the ball and rans sideline to sideline. He is good in coverage makes plays. He isn't my top guy either, but he is absolutely worth the pick and he can play.
Hate all 3. I'm sure Reese and his pals  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/27/2017 3:27 pm : link
Want another DE. Reese is a lokema religious fanatic and. It comes to the draft. CB DE and WR early and often.

every hear
jlukes  
Marty866b : 4/27/2017 3:29 pm : link
The Giants like Charlton as a 3 tech DT? Really? He's going to have to put gain some good weight and get much stronger. Sounds like a project you select a bit later? What do you think? I think you might find a good 3 tech guy in the 3-4th rounds. Guys like Watkins,Adams,and Jaleel Johnson are all 3 tech defensive tackles who have put up good numbers at that position.
Yuck  
WillVAB : 4/27/2017 4:11 pm : link
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Never like  
Mike fr Warwick : 4/27/2017 4:11 pm : link
drafting a player or signing a FA to play a different position ie.Taco at 3t Seen this fail often over the years. BY fail the player is not as good in the new position as he was at his original spot.
RE: What about Wormley, I don't like any of these three  
KerrysFlask : 4/27/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13445225 ij_reilly said:
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Too many question marks on the three mentioned. I don't like any of them. I thought Harris was a 2nd round guy anyway?

Isn't Wormley a superior option?


I'd rather take Worley over any of those guys. Even Peppers if we're going Michigan.
Taco as a 3technique  
SLIM_ : 4/27/2017 4:27 pm : link
I would think for this year, it would be to get him on the field in passing downs which is in reality what you would want if we played him at DE. That gives him time to grow into the position. Also something to consider if he were to start is that the other 3 starting DL are ++ run defenders and I think Goodson is going to be real solid as the Mike. We can probably afford to get away with that. Big reminder that Hankins was not considered very valuable around the league. We may be all overestimating his worth last year and may be much easier to replace.
Taking Davis or Bowser at 23  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 4:37 pm : link
over a DE makes more sense because of the amount of depth at DE in the draft. The Giants could still get a guy like Tonah Kpassagnon, Demarcus Walker, or Daeshon Hall in round 2.
RE: Taking Davis or Bowser at 23  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13445355 Jay on the Island said:
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over a DE makes more sense because of the amount of depth at DE in the draft. The Giants could still get a guy like Tonah Kpassagnon, Demarcus Walker, or Daeshon Hall in round 2.


Hall extremely over rated, Kpass extremely raw and I think Walker doesn't make to our 2nd round pick.
RE: Hate all 3. I'm sure Reese and his pals  
David in LA : 4/27/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13445239 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Want another DE. Reese is a lokema religious fanatic and. It comes to the draft. CB DE and WR early and often.

every hear


Those positions are widely regarded as premium positions, and you forgot to mention we went OL twice in the past 4 years. Would you really be upset if we went with a pass rusher? Who do we really have beyond JPP and OV? God forbid, if one of them goes down, the domino effect on the rest of the defense will be tremendous IMO. Okwara's promising, but I wouldn't just bank on him to be a major contributor next year.
Charles Harris  
Emil : 4/27/2017 5:10 pm : link
Had a pretty impressive 10 yard split at 1.65
RE: Taking Davis or Bowser at 23  
Rjanyg : 4/27/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13445355 Jay on the Island said:
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over a DE makes more sense because of the amount of depth at DE in the draft. The Giants could still get a guy like Tonah Kpassagnon, Demarcus Walker, or Daeshon Hall in round 2.


I like the way you think. Imagine this defense with let's say Bowser and Walker?? Dominant.
I am hearing dead people  
Jimmy Googs : 4/27/2017 5:19 pm : link


Herring  
River : 4/27/2017 5:27 pm : link
Honest question  
Reb8thVA : 4/27/2017 5:41 pm : link
Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.
RE: Charles Harris  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 5:51 pm : link
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Had a pretty impressive 10 yard split at 1.65


That is not impressive at all. Under 1.6 is impressive for example

DE Myles Garrett at 20 lbs heavier ran a 1.57
DE Jordan Willis at 3 lbs heavier ran a 1.54

At 253 lbs he should have run much better. The one player I do not want at all.
RE: Honest question  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/27/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13445470 Reb8thVA said:
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Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.

Haven't they all been good aside from Kone Ealy? Justin Smith, Aldon Smith (incredible aside from being a nutcase) and now very good start to Shane Ray's career. Michael Sam was not a high pick / not well thought of in the scouting circles. And Ealy was a end of 2nd round pick who even though he hasnt been great, just got traded for a 2nd round pick.
RE: Honest question  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13445470 Reb8thVA said:
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Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.


He didn't even rack up that many sacks. He had 9 sacks last year recording sacks in only 5 games. Only 7 sacks the year before.

He had 3 big sack games last year. You take those 3 games out and he had 1.5 sacks in the remaining 9 games! That is crazy. You add in he is way to light at 253 lbs ran a 4.82 at the combine and only did 21 reps in the bench. I mean if you are going to be small and slow, you better be stronger than 21 reps!
RE: RE: Honest question  
Reb8thVA : 4/27/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13445490 Steve in Greenwich said:
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Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.


Haven't they all been good aside from Kone Ealy? Justin Smith, Aldon Smith (incredible aside from being a nutcase) and now very good start to Shane Ray's career. Michael Sam was not a high pick / not well thought of in the scouting circles. And Ealy was a end of 2nd round pick who even though he hasnt been great, just got traded for a 2nd round pick.


I forgot about Aldon Smith. Million dollar talent and a ten cent head
RE: RE: Honest question  
Amtoft : 4/27/2017 6:06 pm : link
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Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.


Haven't they all been good aside from Kone Ealy? Justin Smith, Aldon Smith (incredible aside from being a nutcase) and now very good start to Shane Ray's career. Michael Sam was not a high pick / not well thought of in the scouting circles. And Ealy was a end of 2nd round pick who even though he hasnt been great, just got traded for a 2nd round pick.


Justin Smith sheesh... how far you want to go back. You can say Shane Ray did well last year although he is playing OLB in a 3-4. You can say Markus Golden did well although again at OLB in a 3-4. Kony Ealy the last 2 years 32 tackles and 5 sacks each year. Not really anything to write home about. Aldon Smith was definitely great. I do think they have played well although again mostly the under sized DEs play better at 3-4 OLB which is what Charles Harris should try to do. Would be a horrible pick for us.
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chopperhatch : 4/27/2017 6:18 pm : link
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rather than an edge guy



Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.



You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.


I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.
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chopperhatch : 4/27/2017 6:20 pm : link
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rather than an edge guy



Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.



JP was one of the very best in his prime prior to injuries mounting


Best in his prime as what??? A coverage LB? Okay. He didnt have a great pass rush game, he was a good tackler...maybe Im just jaded, but he never excited/scared me.
Aldon Smith was a freak, though. That stuff translates to the NFL.  
732NYG : 4/27/2017 6:21 pm : link
Justin Smith was a completely different player.
Shane Ray was explosive, that translates.

I don't see it with Charles Harris, especially not in a 4-3.
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Amtoft : 4/27/2017 6:22 pm : link
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Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.



You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.



I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.


He had a 10 sack season, 7 sack season in his all pro being best LBs, and finished with over 50 meaning over 5 sacks per season average. They aren't the same player at all.
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chopperhatch : 4/27/2017 6:43 pm : link
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Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.



You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.



I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.



He had a 10 sack season, 7 sack season in his all pro being best LBs, and finished with over 50 meaning over 5 sacks per season average. They aren't the same player at all.


Peterson was not known as an edge rusher at all. That he had those stats is great, but he was known as a coverage linebacker. And he had 51.5 sacks over 11 years. Thats 4.5 sacks on avg. Not exactly you demon on the edge.

Lets see, both have similar scouting reports, both are 6'4" and btwn 230 and 235. Yea completely different. Only thing I left out was the "lite" at the end. The are VERY similar players.
Peterson only had that seasonal average because he missed  
732NYG : 4/27/2017 6:53 pm : link
a ton of games with injury. You don't just have a 10 sack and 7 sack season if you can't rush the passer, which by most accounts, is not Cunningham's game. Peterson could also bring the wood at times when he hit. When I watch Cunningham, all I see is Michael Boley.
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Amtoft : 4/27/2017 7:25 pm : link
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Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.

put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.

I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.



You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.



I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.



He had a 10 sack season, 7 sack season in his all pro being best LBs, and finished with over 50 meaning over 5 sacks per season average. They aren't the same player at all.



Peterson was not known as an edge rusher at all. That he had those stats is great, but he was known as a coverage linebacker. And he had 51.5 sacks over 11 years. Thats 4.5 sacks on avg. Not exactly you demon on the edge.

Lets see, both have similar scouting reports, both are 6'4" and btwn 230 and 235. Yea completely different. Only thing I left out was the "lite" at the end. The are VERY similar players.


Demon on the edge? I am sorry are you saying Peterson was a 4-3 DE? Do you expect Cunningham to be? Peterson was a 4-3 LB not a 3-4 pass rush artist LB. To have that many sacks as a 4-3 LB is very good. How many 4-3 LBs can you count that have that many? Peterson was never a sideline to sideline tackling LB. He was always a pass rushing LB. He had 25 sacks in 2 years at Michigan state including 15 his senior year coming out of college! he never had 100 tackles in college in either of his years there. Besides size where do you get the comparison?
Huh  
Chris in Philly : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
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Let's leave..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/27/2017 11:03 pm : link
the work to hitdog in the future - pretty please....
To LimerickGuy's credit  
mfsd : 4/27/2017 11:09 pm : link
he acknowledged the info he heard was quite possibly smoke from the Giants to cover guys they really wanted

Unlike that fraud Slade, who acts like the Pope when all he got "right" was saying the Giants had an offer out to Marshall
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