As I said yesterday, when you pick in the top 10 it becomes much easier to hone in on one or two players who you expect to be available when you pick and build a draft strategy around that. At 23, you need to expand your dart board a little bit.
That being said- my 2 sources are actually pretty much in line with each other, in what they told me.
There are 3 names that are heavily attached to the Giants in the agent and coaching circles.
1. Zach Cunningham- Vandy LB
2. Taco Charlton- Michigan DE
3. Charles Harris- Missouri DE
Again. DON'T kill the messenger if I am wrong. I hesitate to post this stuff but I know a lot of you guys like to hear what the scuttlebutt is. The Giants could be getting great at smoke as last year there was heavy word that the Giants coveted Myles Jack in the 1st.
There was a guy with much to share
about draft picks and whens and wheres.
He misplaced an "m"-
and I jumped right in-
with details about which no one cares
There was a guy with much to share
about draft picks and whens and wheres.
He misplaced an "m"-
and I jumped right in-
with details about which no one cares
Huh...learn something new every day.
I wouldn't complain about Charlton at all, although the idea of drafting more DEs with about 5 under contract already seems like overkill. I like Harris less than Charlton, but the "overkill" thought applies here too.
Me neither. You're spot on with this.
Agreed.
Everybody knew last year the Giants wanted Conklin. This year it's a smoke show.
If they're serious about Harris and Cunningham it better be in a trade down because the cost to value ratio is just stupid.
My frame of reference is limited, but I just don't see a first round player there. Bowser and Davis both bring more to the table imo.
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Thanks for clearing that up, much appreciated, i wouldnt have been able to focus on the draft until i figured that out. Lets hone in on 23 now.
and no, I've nothing better to offer, your welcome.
Not bullet proof, because he has one year of production.. but he looks like JPP with better get off, of tape.
At some point you have to believe the team knows what it is doing when they make these picks.
1: Meh
2: No(and I'm a UM fan)
3: less than meh.
I obviously see things different from the FO and HC.
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VINDICATED AND IT FEELS SO GOOOOOD....
Reporters are paid to produce content. Doesn't mean it's always anything more than projections.
They could get Harris screaming off the edge and move JPP + Vernon around on 3rd down.
They could get Harris screaming off the edge and move JPP + Vernon around on 3rd down.
Isn't that what Vernon's for?
+1 on Willis being better than Taco and especially Harris. I hate Harris and think he is not very good. Cunningham though is legit.
Fine in 2/3.. please no in round 1.
I don't disagree with you.
There are 30 guys I would take before any of them.
Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
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Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
JP was one of the very best in his prime prior to injuries mounting
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Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.
I agree they aren't the same player at all. To me when I see Zach Cunningham I see Derrick Johnson who played for Texas. now Johnson had that great ball punch in college and was also better in coverage. But they both run to the ball the same way if you ask me.
Isn't Wormley a superior option?
Fine in 2/3.. please no in round 1.
Cunningham is always around the ball and rans sideline to sideline. He is good in coverage makes plays. He isn't my top guy either, but he is absolutely worth the pick and he can play.
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Isn't Wormley a superior option?
I'd rather take Worley over any of those guys. Even Peppers if we're going Michigan.
Hall extremely over rated, Kpass extremely raw and I think Walker doesn't make to our 2nd round pick.
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Those positions are widely regarded as premium positions, and you forgot to mention we went OL twice in the past 4 years. Would you really be upset if we went with a pass rusher? Who do we really have beyond JPP and OV? God forbid, if one of them goes down, the domino effect on the rest of the defense will be tremendous IMO. Okwara's promising, but I wouldn't just bank on him to be a major contributor next year.
I like the way you think. Imagine this defense with let's say Bowser and Walker?? Dominant.
That is not impressive at all. Under 1.6 is impressive for example
DE Myles Garrett at 20 lbs heavier ran a 1.57
DE Jordan Willis at 3 lbs heavier ran a 1.54
At 253 lbs he should have run much better. The one player I do not want at all.
Haven't they all been good aside from Kone Ealy? Justin Smith, Aldon Smith (incredible aside from being a nutcase) and now very good start to Shane Ray's career. Michael Sam was not a high pick / not well thought of in the scouting circles. And Ealy was a end of 2nd round pick who even though he hasnt been great, just got traded for a 2nd round pick.
He didn't even rack up that many sacks. He had 9 sacks last year recording sacks in only 5 games. Only 7 sacks the year before.
He had 3 big sack games last year. You take those 3 games out and he had 1.5 sacks in the remaining 9 games! That is crazy. You add in he is way to light at 253 lbs ran a 4.82 at the combine and only did 21 reps in the bench. I mean if you are going to be small and slow, you better be stronger than 21 reps!
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Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.
Haven't they all been good aside from Kone Ealy? Justin Smith, Aldon Smith (incredible aside from being a nutcase) and now very good start to Shane Ray's career. Michael Sam was not a high pick / not well thought of in the scouting circles. And Ealy was a end of 2nd round pick who even though he hasnt been great, just got traded for a 2nd round pick.
I forgot about Aldon Smith. Million dollar talent and a ten cent head
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Have any DEs from Missouri done anything in the NFL. It seems they rack up the sacks in college and do nothing in the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong.
Haven't they all been good aside from Kone Ealy? Justin Smith, Aldon Smith (incredible aside from being a nutcase) and now very good start to Shane Ray's career. Michael Sam was not a high pick / not well thought of in the scouting circles. And Ealy was a end of 2nd round pick who even though he hasnt been great, just got traded for a 2nd round pick.
Justin Smith sheesh... how far you want to go back. You can say Shane Ray did well last year although he is playing OLB in a 3-4. You can say Markus Golden did well although again at OLB in a 3-4. Kony Ealy the last 2 years 32 tackles and 5 sacks each year. Not really anything to write home about. Aldon Smith was definitely great. I do think they have played well although again mostly the under sized DEs play better at 3-4 OLB which is what Charles Harris should try to do. Would be a horrible pick for us.
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Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.
I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.
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rather than an edge guy
Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
JP was one of the very best in his prime prior to injuries mounting
Best in his prime as what??? A coverage LB? Okay. He didnt have a great pass rush game, he was a good tackler...maybe Im just jaded, but he never excited/scared me.
Shane Ray was explosive, that translates.
I don't see it with Charles Harris, especially not in a 4-3.
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rather than an edge guy
Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.
I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.
He had a 10 sack season, 7 sack season in his all pro being best LBs, and finished with over 50 meaning over 5 sacks per season average. They aren't the same player at all.
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rather than an edge guy
Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.
I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.
He had a 10 sack season, 7 sack season in his all pro being best LBs, and finished with over 50 meaning over 5 sacks per season average. They aren't the same player at all.
Peterson was not known as an edge rusher at all. That he had those stats is great, but he was known as a coverage linebacker. And he had 51.5 sacks over 11 years. Thats 4.5 sacks on avg. Not exactly you demon on the edge.
Lets see, both have similar scouting reports, both are 6'4" and btwn 230 and 235. Yea completely different. Only thing I left out was the "lite" at the end. The are VERY similar players.
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rather than an edge guy
Its an interesting thought j, but I am worried Charlton is a little long for DT.
put me in the group that wouldnt mind Charlton. WTF cares if he cant run a 40 yard straight line very fast? The guy can change direction and he loses his blocker very quickly.
I am not a fan of Cunningham. Guy reminds me of Julian Peterson.
You aren't a fan of Cunningham because he reminds you of Julian Peterson who was a 5 time pro bowl and 1 time all pro player? Would we would be lucky to draft someone that good at 23.
I should have said a POOR MAN's Julian Peterson. But they absolutely play a very similar game: fairly light, cover linebackers who are good tacklers. But not pass rushers. And a 5 time "pro bowler" doesnt mean much to me other than the fans liked him a lot.
He had a 10 sack season, 7 sack season in his all pro being best LBs, and finished with over 50 meaning over 5 sacks per season average. They aren't the same player at all.
Peterson was not known as an edge rusher at all. That he had those stats is great, but he was known as a coverage linebacker. And he had 51.5 sacks over 11 years. Thats 4.5 sacks on avg. Not exactly you demon on the edge.
Lets see, both have similar scouting reports, both are 6'4" and btwn 230 and 235. Yea completely different. Only thing I left out was the "lite" at the end. The are VERY similar players.
Demon on the edge? I am sorry are you saying Peterson was a 4-3 DE? Do you expect Cunningham to be? Peterson was a 4-3 LB not a 3-4 pass rush artist LB. To have that many sacks as a 4-3 LB is very good. How many 4-3 LBs can you count that have that many? Peterson was never a sideline to sideline tackling LB. He was always a pass rushing LB. He had 25 sacks in 2 years at Michigan state including 15 his senior year coming out of college! he never had 100 tackles in college in either of his years there. Besides size where do you get the comparison?
Unlike that fraud Slade, who acts like the Pope when all he got "right" was saying the Giants had an offer out to Marshall