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RE: He's not an  
PatersonPlank : 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13447315 BillT said:
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He's a playmaker. They're not going to ask him to block DEs. The OLs were not worthy of a pick this high. They all had warts. He has none.


So who does he play ahead of? Does Shep go to the bench, or Marshall? Do we go with no RB? If he can't block he will just be a situational player, and a situational player is a waste in Rd 1.
I'm not going to fault the guy  
Geomon : 11:15 pm : link
He was clearly emotional and on stage that shit's hard to deal with.
RE: McKinley is just  
jeff57 : 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13447306 SHO'NUFF said:
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embarrassing himself and his new team.


Yeah, way over the top.
I think I give McKinley a break here  
SomeFan : 11:15 pm : link
Deion said the right thing there too.
This young man is ready to play right now!  
trueblueinpw : 11:16 pm : link
Word!
I think the Browns draft is really being run by Kevin Costner  
PatersonPlank : 11:16 pm : link
another trade.
Chop I think you are on point  
Dave on the UWS : 11:16 pm : link
I would guess he will play at 245 or so with Ellison around he doesn't have to be a great blocker. Just give the effort on the occasions he is in tight. They will move him around they can use all sorts of personnel packages now and be a LOT more unpredictable (which will also help the offensive line if the defense is guessing and not teeing off.
Giants building O  
old man : 11:16 pm : link
for next QB as well as for Eli's window.
Cleveland is back  
SimpleMan : 11:17 pm : link
again in the first.
Giants should trade up to the top of Rd 2 and grab Lamp  
PatersonPlank : 11:17 pm : link
or Cam.
RE: Damn  
OBJ_AllDay : 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13447292 SomeFan said:
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I think Mckinley wants to play right now!


Yea that was a little over the top
not to fault the "f-bomb" kid  
micky : 11:18 pm : link
you don't know how to or where he came from to achieve a dream. Not many in this world get that far.

Just emotions
Browns might take Kizer  
jeff57 : 11:18 pm : link
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Ok  
SomeFan : 11:19 pm : link
Let us hope the Cowboys fuck up now. Choose a guy who decides the NFL is not for him.
RE: He's not an  
WillVAB : 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13447315 BillT said:
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He's a playmaker. They're not going to ask him to block DEs. The OLs were not worthy of a pick this high. They all had warts. He has none.


That's fine and I wish him the best now that he's with the Giants.

That being said, if I'm a defensive coordinator I'm sending pressure off the edge every time Engram trots onto the field. Flowers and Fluker on an island is a huge mismatch.
RE: not to fault the  
PatersonPlank : 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13447345 micky said:
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you don't know how to or where he came from to achieve a dream. Not many in this world get that far.

Just emotions


I sure don't. However none of the other kids acted like that. Dropping an F-bomb is just not good.
Holy shit, you guys are dense sometimes.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11:19 pm : link
They didn't draft Engram in the 1st round if they don't have a plan to use him.

He won't just be the 4th WR.

I have used my powers of deduction to conclude that he will likely play TE and move out wide in 4 receiver sets.

Ellison will likely get snaps at RB and TE situationally (like 2 TE sets, or when you need a blocker there.
Njoku for the  
SimpleMan : 11:20 pm : link
Browns
trade up in rd 2 for  
madgiantscow009 : 11:20 pm : link
an O-tackle.
Taco Charlton to the cowboys  
mofti : 11:20 pm : link
David njoku to the browns at 29
RE: Giants should trade up to the top of Rd 2 and grab Lamp  
micky : 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13447341 PatersonPlank said:
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or Cam.


Not sure Giants take an OL if at all this draft bad group according to many.
RE: RE: He's not an  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13447320 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13447315 BillT said:


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He's a playmaker. They're not going to ask him to block DEs. The OLs were not worthy of a pick this high. They all had warts. He has none.



So who does he play ahead of? Does Shep go to the bench, or Marshall? Do we go with no RB? If he can't block he will just be a situational player, and a situational player is a waste in Rd 1.


There's no reason to speak in absolutes. Let's just relax before we decide exactly what he is.

Or do we just want to do that thing where some people bitched because the Giants drafted a 5'10 punt returner 9th overall?
Does Dallas go Foster here??  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11:21 pm : link
Hope not
RE: So who sits, Engram, OBJ, Shep, or Marshall?  
Ed A. : 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13447287 PatersonPlank said:
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If Engram can block then I'm ok, but if he can't he's just another WR because Ellison needs to be in there.

We need to draft lineman (OT/OG/DT) now.


Ellison at Full Back. Engram at TE. Odell and Brandon on the outside and Sterling in the slot. Nightmares for Defensive Coordinators!!!
Dallas go OL?  
old man : 11:22 pm : link
Corner the market?
Njoku for Whittens replacement?
I wouldn't worry about who he plays over  
Dave on the UWS : 11:22 pm : link
One of their problems was they had the same guys on the field lined up in the same spots every down. Try this on for size. Engram and Marshall split out wide and OJB in the slot. Someone is going to have a mismatch. The more you have to work with the more creative they can be
Engram  
stretch234 : 11:22 pm : link
What he has is speed to burn. Having this speed in the middle of the field puts enormous pressure on the defense. Speed threatens and worries defenses, and the Giants have not had that up the middle since Shockey.

The offense now has skill position speed across the board.

Having a player like Engram who can release as quick as he does will make the 5 YPC 8 and make the 7 YPC 10
good pick  
bc4life : 11:23 pm : link
by Dallas
What it means is that they can go w 12 personel  
LauderdaleMatty : 11:23 pm : link
More than 5% of the time.
RE: Dallas go OL?  
jeff57 : 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13447378 old man said:
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Corner the market?
Njoku for Whittens replacement?

Taco. Browns go Njoku
Foster's medical  
stillpoe : 11:23 pm : link
might be a lot worse than originally imagined. Def wouldn't mind a trade up for the right player but would be okay to stay put due to the depth of the draft.
Good pick for Dallas  
jeff57 : 11:23 pm : link
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Let me be the first to ask  
SomeFan : 11:24 pm : link
Can Engram block Taco bell?
Ha Ha.. I picked Taco for the Cowboys in the BBI mock draft  
Rick in Dallas : 11:24 pm : link
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Hey, old friends. Hope all has been well with you.  
Q v2.0 : 11:24 pm : link
Nice pick for the 11-5 freshman coach who cut his teeth in the TE position in GB. Engram gets to watch Ellison block inline, and Marshall on the perimeter, from mini-camp until Thanksgiving. ;-)
Texas Taco.  
old man : 11:25 pm : link
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RE: Foster's medical  
jeff57 : 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13447391 stillpoe said:
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might be a lot worse than originally imagined. Def wouldn't mind a trade up for the right player but would be okay to stay put due to the depth of the draft.


Not the medical. Too many off the field questions like Cook.
This draft needs more McKinley more than it  
SomeFan : 11:25 pm : link
need more cowbell.
RE: So who sits, Engram, OBJ, Shep, or Marshall?  
BigBlueShock : 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13447287 PatersonPlank said:
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If Engram can block then I'm ok, but if he can't he's just another WR because Ellison needs to be in there.

We need to draft lineman (OT/OG/DT) now.

If you honestly have to ask "who sits" in today's NFL of sub packages and match ups depending on situation, then you you need to just realize that you have no idea what you're talking about and do some homework. I'm actually shocked that this post came from you. Good lord.
some gambles in round 1  
bc4life : 11:25 pm : link
Ross, Conley, Peppers....it's going to be interesting to see how those picks turn out
It''s over, Cowboys just won the NFC  
trueblueinpw : 11:26 pm : link
Taco's the missing piece. Time to start planning the Super Bowl party in Big D. Only question now is weather or not Taco will be better than Charles Haley. Dallas dynasty!
RE: Good pick for Dallas  
Floyd_Fan : 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13447392 jeff57 said:
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Mayock sounded unconvinced : "not a quick twitch guy"
I know Taco got a lot of love from draft 'experts'.  
Ira : 11:26 pm : link
I just don't see his game translating well to the nfl.
RE: I know Taco got a lot of love from draft 'experts'.  
adamg : 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13447414 Ira said:
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I just don't see his game translating well to the nfl.


I agree. I'm not high on any of the Mich linemen.
some one  
tony71 : 11:28 pm : link
shoulda told Dallas that Tacos are for Tuesdays
T.J. to Pitt  
jeff57 : 11:28 pm : link
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He plays over  
cokeduplt : 11:28 pm : link
Tye, no more stupid one yard passes that go no where. I'm excited about the pick no defense could cover all these guys.

Now I wish we took  
SomeFan : 11:29 pm : link
Njoku
Cleveland  
old man : 11:30 pm : link
is doing it.
And by the way Njoku  
Dave on the UWS : 11:31 pm : link
Is only 10 lbs heavier and he had blocking problems too. I suspect Engram will become serviceable as a blocker eventually. All these kids coming out of college need to be taught these days. What he has cant be taught.
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