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New York Giants 1st Round Pick: TE Evan Engram

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:44 pm
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My 2nd favorite TE in the draft  
jlukes : 4/27/2017 10:46 pm : link
love this kid's game and a great fit in a McAdoo offense!
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RasputinPrime : 4/27/2017 10:46 pm : link
really?
I like it  
The_Boss : 4/27/2017 10:46 pm : link
Wanted Njoku but I'll trust Reese here.
From all I've read.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2017 10:46 pm : link
Excellent!
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:46 pm : link
JonC called it.
Reese never fails to shock us!  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 10:46 pm : link
LOL!
That works  
AnnapolisMike : 4/27/2017 10:47 pm : link
Woo hoo
guess  
RasputinPrime : 4/27/2017 10:47 pm : link
he is my new favorite TE lol.
Hope he makes it  
micky : 4/27/2017 10:47 pm : link
Nice project te
Better receiver then NJoku......  
Simms11 : 4/27/2017 10:47 pm : link
Both great athletes....this gives us another great receiver! Nice player for this offense.
Like it  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:47 pm : link
4.42 at 6-3 335
Hitdog  
Mike in NY : 4/27/2017 10:48 pm : link
Mentioned it this morning
Good  
shyster : 4/27/2017 10:48 pm : link
Odell needed some help
RE: Like it  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13447032 jeff57 said:
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4.42 at 6-3 335


335. Biggest TE ever?
Looking forward to seeing legitimate TE play.  
Diver_Down : 4/27/2017 10:48 pm : link
Congrats to Evan. Eli will make you a star.
RE: RE: Like it  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13447044 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13447032 jeff57 said:


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4.42 at 6-3 335



335. Biggest TE ever?


Hang on. Went on a crash diet and lost 100 pounds
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
Mike Garafolo‏Verified account @MikeGarafolo 12s12 seconds ago

Giants signed a versatile guy in Rhett Ellison as a UFA. Added another one in Evan Engram. Extremely talented. Top 20 in some teams' minds.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 8s8 seconds ago

There were whispers before the draft that the Giants liked Engram more than Howard.
Engram, Marshall, Ellison  
ij_reilly : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
Huge upgrades at TE and WR.

Let's hope the line improves.

Last year they rebuilt the defense. This year the offense.

Great pick!
Evan Engram ran a 4.42 40? For a TE?  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
Holy s***
Love it.  
Ryan in Albany : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
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Tight end! !!  
Route 9 : 4/27/2017 10:49 pm : link
Woohooo
Yes! Finally!  
Geomon : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
Let's go offense!
Perfect guy to run down the seam  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
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Love this pick.  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
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I am A-OK with Engram  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
passing attack is something to dream of tonight. Need a credible running game to make it work.
Cool I guess  
Odell Porzingis Jr. : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
But Rueben Foster would have made this defense SCARY :/
Beckham, Shepard, Marshall, Engram  
jlukes : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
incredible
Yeah, baby!  
Klaatu : 4/27/2017 10:50 pm : link
YEAH!
He's more of a big WR than a TE  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 10:51 pm : link
A guy that big with 4.42 speed and that kind of route running is SICK
Giants are confident the OLine will be better  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2017 10:51 pm : link
getting potent again on offense should be fun
the new  
spike : 4/27/2017 10:51 pm : link
Shockey 2.0
This guy might be ROY  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 10:51 pm : link
with OBJ and Marshall
Great pick!!  
mfsd : 4/27/2017 10:51 pm : link
Immediate impact potential

RE: the new  
Route 9 : 4/27/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13447082 spike said:
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Shockey 2.0


Don't have a problem with that AT ALL
Love it!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/27/2017 10:52 pm : link
Seam buster!
Don't love the pick  
Matt M. : 4/27/2017 10:52 pm : link
Don't hate the pick. He may be the best TE available, but he still doesn't give us the physical TE they need. But, neither would Njoku. I would have gone with a different position here. But, I can't complain either because he is immediately the #1 TE.
Pudits comparing  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 10:52 pm : link
him to Jordan Reed
watch us  
huygens20 : 4/27/2017 10:52 pm : link
go for Julien Davenport in r2
Ole Miss guy - I'm sure Eli knows all about him.  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2017 10:53 pm : link
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can someone post Sy review on him  
CaLLaHaN : 4/27/2017 10:53 pm : link
can't find it
Shaw very high on this guy  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 10:53 pm : link
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I trust Reese in this circumstance...  
Dunedin81 : 4/27/2017 10:53 pm : link
Had the choice between him and Njoku, picked the one they thought was better. Reese has a good track record in this circumstance.
RE: Pudits comparing  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13447096 Rflairr said:
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him to Jordan Reed


Very similar.
I soooooo wanted Ruben Foster  
superspynyg : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
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can this guy block?  
32_Razor : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
looks like a real skinny frame
Anak is  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
PISSED
Mayock  
Spyder : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
"Matchup Nightmare"

sounds great to me.
RE: I trust Reese in this circumstance...  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13447108 Dunedin81 said:
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Had the choice between him and Njoku, picked the one they thought was better. Reese has a good track record in this circumstance.


Engram has better hands.
one thing to put to rest -  
bluepepper : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
that the Giants telegraph their picks. Don't recall any mocks with us taking this guy.
RE: I trust Reese in this circumstance...  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13447108 Dunedin81 said:
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Had the choice between him and Njoku, picked the one they thought was better. Reese has a good track record in this circumstance.


The Falcons were drooling for Engram, and they have an excellent eye for offensive talent, so that makes me warm a bit more to this pick
Doesn't seem like an actual TE  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
But these days they can use ellison as the in-line TE and feature Engram in the slot with Marshall and Beckham outside, or go double slots with Shep and Engram inside and no line TE.
Atlanta knows how to draft  
mofti : 4/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
If they were high on this kid and were looking to trade up that says a lot. I'm on board
The right move here.  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Great pick for Eli. For Beckham. For NYG
Reese  
huygens20 : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
doesnt miss first round drafts.


You gotta trust him
Don't hate the pick  
Reb8thVA : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
But Eli is still going to need more than two seconds to throw the ball.
RE: Hope he makes it  
superspynyg : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13447030 micky said:
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Nice project te


You don't take a project in rd 1 unless it's a Qb.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 6s7 seconds ago

Engram is going to feast on underneath routes with Beckham, Marshall, and Shepard drawing coverage. This ups NYG passing game to new level.
Been waiting years for a guy like this.  
bceagle05 : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Welcome aboard, Mr. Engram.
Woo hoo!  
David B. : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Would have been fine with Njoku, but I like this as much. This kid IS a matchup nightmare, and faster than Njoku.

FINALLY the Giants have a NFL-caliber TE that will HELP Eli.
Fine with it.  
Devon : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Not ideal, but he should help.
RE: can this guy block?  
bigbluescot : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13447122 32_Razor said:
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looks like a real skinny frame


The reports say he's willing, but he's essentially a big WR.
Great pick.  
larryflower37 : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Look forward to this kid going through the seam
Who is going to  
Carl in CT : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
Block? That's what we need.
He is not a 'project TE'.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
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RE: Atlanta knows how to draft  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13447134 mofti said:
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If they were high on this kid and were looking to trade up that says a lot. I'm on board


They know how to draft offense, which applies here
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
James Kratch‏Verified account @JamesKratch 25s26 seconds ago

Jerry Reese: "We think this guy can be a dynamic weapon in our offense." #Giants
With Engram and Marshall  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
No excuse for red zone failures
Giants draft special  
RDJR : 4/27/2017 10:55 pm : link
On MSG+
RE: Who is going to  
Boy Cord : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13447146 Carl in CT said:
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Block? That's what we need.


Ellison.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
New York Giants‏Verified account @Giants 17s18 seconds ago

GM Jerry Reese: We think this guy can be a dynamic weapon in our offense...a matchup nightmare.
Chips pushed straight  
B in ALB : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
Into the fuckin middle. All of um. Win now.

That said, I like the pick. No real complaints. But I was pining a bit for Njoku if they went TE with Howard off the board.
RE: I soooooo wanted Ruben Foster  
Matt M. : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13447121 superspynyg said:
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Me too, but I also worry about his size.

Bottom line, adding Marshall and Engram should really help this offense, especially in the red zone. I would be looking at LBs, OL, DBs the rest of the way, with maybe a RB thrown in. No more WRs or TEs.
and the players the Cowboys loved  
Giantsfan79 : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
gets picked. Ha Ha
Would  
AcidTest : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
have preferred defense, but can't argue with Engram. Tremendous weapon. OK blocker, but stretches the seam fantastically. Match up nightmare. We desperately need that type of weapon.

The rest of the draft should be OL and D.
Now, will they sign Blount?  
Fishmanjim57 : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
I want to see the running game improved too, and Blount will help big time!
RE: Don't hate the pick  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13447137 Reb8thVA said:
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But Eli is still going to need more than two seconds to throw the ball.


1, the line is going to be better and 2, we are going to pass fast, run blocking just might be more important moving forward.
This is  
ChicagoMarty : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
a good pick!
I for one like the pick more than  
barens : 4/27/2017 10:56 pm : link
Howard. Was listening to Kirwan a few hours ago, and he mentioned how much more of a natural pass catcher Ingram is than Howard. Howard catches with his body, Engram with his hands.

Was kind of hoping for Cook, but I'm pretty ecstatic with getting Engram.
Great Pick!  
ZogZerg : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
About time the Giants got Eli a real TE.
Sy ranked him #2 TE  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
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http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2017/04/13/new-york-giants-2017-nfl-draft-preview-tight-ends/ - ( New Window )
Word is  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
They were set to take Missouri DE there before Miami took him 1 pick before.
Sy on Engram  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
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2 Evan Engram 63/234 Ole Miss: 84

Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the programs all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the like and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterbacks best friend on third and reasonable. While his blocking impact may not be as high as some of the others, he is no slouch. The two time team captain leaves it all out on the field each week and his weaknesses can be somewhat hidden in most situations.

*Durng the grading process, I thought there was a legit shot Engram would finish atop this list. He was close and to be honest, these two may be back to back on the overall big board. If Njoku is gone and Engram ends up being the pick, I wouldnt be disappointed one bit. Engram is essentially a top tier speed WR that weighs 234 pounds. While he is a notch or two below as a blocker from most of these guys, he still got the job done in the SEC against linebackers consistently. In terms of what his role would be long term, think of how the Redskins use Jordan Reed. He has that kind of ability, if not more.

Upside Pro Comparison: Aaron Hernandez - JAIL

Beckham is smiling  
dune69 : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
double teams will be fewer with all the weapons on the field. Hope we can protect Eli. Love the pick. We need to win the next two rounds.
RE: RE: the new  
Carson53 : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13447088 Route 9 said:
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In comment 13447082 spike said:


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Shockey 2.0



Don't have a problem with that AT ALL
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No, Shockey was actually a TE, this kid is more Mike Evans,
as in big WR. I am okay with it, rather have Njoku here.
Browns should run to  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
podium to pick cook
McAdoo coming on Giants.com soon  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
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RE: RE: I soooooo wanted Ruben Foster  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13447159 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13447121 superspynyg said:


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Me too, but I also worry about his size.

Bottom line, adding Marshall and Engram should really help this offense, especially in the red zone. I would be looking at LBs, OL, DBs the rest of the way, with maybe a RB thrown in. No more WRs or TEs.


Foster has a failed drug test, a 9 on the wonderlic and the incident at the combine.
RE: RE: RE: the new  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13447179 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13447088 Route 9 said:


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In comment 13447082 spike said:


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Shockey 2.0



Don't have a problem with that AT ALL

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No, Shockey was actually a TE, this kid is more Mike Evans,
as in big WR. I am okay with it, rather have Njoku here.


This guy can Block too
RE: can someone post Sy review on him  
section125 : 4/27/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13447104 CaLLaHaN said:
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can't find it


Look in team building - drop down to draft.

Sy'56 had him #2 to Njoku at 84 rating, Said he was almost the #1 TE. Loves him....
also  
huygens20 : 4/27/2017 10:58 pm : link
Hes not a TE

We have Rhett ellison


Engram is a slot WR like Marques Colston. He's going to be used in the slot to beat up nickel CBs and slow ass OLBers.


The real exciting prospect is how often we use 2 TE sets now under McAdoos offense.
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Danny Kanell : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
Absolutely love this pick.
surprise pick for me  
bc4life : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
but, seems like a freakish athlete at that position. it was also an area that needed an upgrade.

and McAdoo was a TE coach and knows what he wants from the position.
RE: Word is  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13447173 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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They were set to take Missouri DE there before Miami took him 1 pick before.


Good. Didn't want Harris
i hope rhett ellison is ready to do some blocking  
jgambrosio : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
because he won't be getting any catches in this offense at this rate, and we'll need the backfield protection...
It's exciting to think of our receiver corps.  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
Lots of different weapons. I wonder how we'll play him, Ellison and our 3 WRs.
I like what was said  
Mike B from JC : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
By kiper etc.. that other college teams said he was the player that scared them. Dangerous weapon for Eli. Another tall wr basically a TE by name only. With him, Marshall and Shepard, no more doubles on on. Now look for OT,DT and olb
Love this pick! I was teetering between Njoku and Engram  
SHO'NUFF : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
until the last minute, but decided I would be happier with Engram.
This is exactly what the offense needed  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 10:59 pm : link
Now let's get a DL or OL in round 2 and we are ready to roll.
He is almost a clone of Jordan Reed  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:00 pm : link
Think about putting a Jordan Reed-type player with OBJ and Marshall
RE: Sy on Engram  
Joey from GlenCove : 4/27/2017 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13447175 Big Blue '56 said:
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2 Evan Engram 63/234 Ole Miss: 84

Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the programs all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the like and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterbacks best friend on third and reasonable. While his blocking impact may not be as high as some of the others, he is no slouch. The two time team captain leaves it all out on the field each week and his weaknesses can be somewhat hidden in most situations.

*Durng the grading process, I thought there was a legit shot Engram would finish atop this list. He was close and to be honest, these two may be back to back on the overall big board. If Njoku is gone and Engram ends up being the pick, I wouldnt be disappointed one bit. Engram is essentially a top tier speed WR that weighs 234 pounds. While he is a notch or two below as a blocker from most of these guys, he still got the job done in the SEC against linebackers consistently. In terms of what his role would be long term, think of how the Redskins use Jordan Reed. He has that kind of ability, if not more.

Upside Pro Comparison: Aaron Hernandez - JAIL





Great he's going to jail. Hhaa


But how is he even similar to him. Hernandez was an h back
Browns go with Peppers  
Rflairr : 4/27/2017 11:00 pm : link
you just know if Foster is there for DAL. They will take him
RE: Chips pushed straight  
Rjanyg : 4/27/2017 11:00 pm : link
In comment 13447158 B in ALB said:
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Into the fuckin middle. All of um. Win now.

That said, I like the pick. No real complaints. But I was pining a bit for Njoku if they went TE with Howard off the board.


Same here B. But at least it is not a QB or overrated OL. I would have been very happy with Njoku or Lamp here, maybe even Bowser.

But Engram is a playmaker. This is an exciting pick
Should have been  
Mike B from JC : 4/27/2017 11:00 pm : link
No more doubles on obj
OUTSTANDING PICK  
Sy'56 : 4/27/2017 11:00 pm : link
. No doubt
I Like It !!  
Koffman : 4/27/2017 11:01 pm : link
Check out his highlight film
Engram Highlight Film - ( New Window )
Casserly loves the pick  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:01 pm : link
On the twitter:

"The #NYGiants TE Evan Ingram @OleMissFB reminds me of #Redskins Jordan Reed. Great separation as a receiver,"
RE: i hope rhett ellison is ready to do some blocking  
huygens20 : 4/27/2017 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13447194 jgambrosio said:
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because he won't be getting any catches in this offense at this rate, and we'll need the backfield protection...


we rewarded him a contract.

hes going to block.

and he will be happy.
RE: RE: Word is  
AcidTest : 4/27/2017 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13447193 jeff57 said:
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In comment 13447173 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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They were set to take Missouri DE there before Miami took him 1 pick before.



Good. Didn't want Harris


That's hopefully an indication they realize that JPP and Vernon can't play 90% of the snaps next season, and need some help.
I don't understand why anyone  
JayBinQueens : 4/27/2017 11:01 pm : link
Would rather sit here and focus on his negatives when they can focus on the positives and how he can/will benefit this team
Happy with this pick  
Matt in SGS : 4/27/2017 11:01 pm : link
I wanted an OL or TE, since those were the glaring needs. I had hoped for Howard, but it wasn't meant to be, but Engram fits closer to the mold of the Green Bay style TEs, more undersized but effective (think Jermichael Finley) and a matchup problem. Teams are going to have fits trying to cover all this on the Giants.

I'd love to see these OL continue to fall to the 2nd round. If Lamp can be there for the Giants tomorrow, I'd do a dance.
The Giants did a great job  
Archer : 4/27/2017 11:02 pm : link
The Giants did a great job concealing their interest in Engram.

I would have preferred Foster but I just heard that he has a bad shoulder that may require surgery.
Sounds like a Cowboy pick.
The Giants did a great job  
Archer : 4/27/2017 11:02 pm : link
The Giants did a great job concealing their interest in Engram.

I would have preferred Foster but I just heard that he has a bad shoulder that may require surgery.
Sounds like a Cowboy pick.
RE: RE: RE: Word is  
hitdog42 : 4/27/2017 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13447224 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13447193 jeff57 said:


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In comment 13447173 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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They were set to take Missouri DE there before Miami took him 1 pick before.



Good. Didn't want Harris



That's hopefully an indication they realize that JPP and Vernon can't play 90% of the snaps next season, and need some help.


Not sure this was the case
RE: I don't understand why anyone  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13447225 JayBinQueens said:
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Would rather sit here and focus on his negatives when they can focus on the positives and how he can/will benefit this team


Yup, don't understand it either. He's not a plus blocker...who cares. We have Ellison to block and now have a 4th weapon on offense who could end up being the 2nd most talent player on offense.

So weird.
RE: Casserly loves the pick  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13447217 dpinzow said:
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On the twitter:

"The #NYGiants TE Evan Ingram @OleMissFB reminds me of #Redskins Jordan Reed. Great separation as a receiver,"

He's a little taller and a little thinner but very similar.
At this point  
jgambrosio : 4/27/2017 11:03 pm : link
I actually wouldn't mind Chad Kelly later in the draft
OK - I laughed -  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2017 11:04 pm : link
"Upside Pro Comparison: Aaron Hernandez - JAIL"
Engram seems to me to be a huge slot guy, a matchup  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 11:05 pm : link
nightmare.
MATCHUP versus POSITION  
Rafflee : 4/27/2017 11:06 pm : link
I Love it!!! They already have a blocking TE.... this guy doesn't need to do EVERYTHING day 1...he can do ONLY what he already does well, and be a major impact.

I love the Pick!....and it shows that MacAdoo is having an influence and growing the offense out.
Engram isn't a traditional TE  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 11:06 pm : link
He is part of the new breed of TE's like Graham, Reed, Ertz, Ebron, Eifert, Julius Thomas etc.
Love the pick  
uconngiant : 4/27/2017 11:06 pm : link
He will give Eli another weapon and another red zone target which was needed because it was just OBJ and now Marshall and Engram.
RE: This is  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13447166 ChicagoMarty said:
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a good pick!


An excellent pick, that fits this offense
I can live with this  
bigbluehoya : 4/27/2017 11:07 pm : link
He's not the prototype TE Howard is, but look at the production. Extremely heavily used and some freakish speed. And it does fill a need.

I just hope we aren't saying "God damn. We could have had Dalvin Cook" in a few years.
Pick #23  
OBJRoyal : 4/27/2017 11:07 pm : link
Love Engram here!!!!! Should help the Oooooooo
Love this pick  
trueblueinpw : 4/27/2017 11:07 pm : link
All the clamoring around here for OL had me needlessly worried. Ellison and Engram are going to make our offensive line immediately better. We basically played without an NFL caliber TE last season. And our offense was pathetic. Very solid pick by JR.
heh  
Dodge : 4/27/2017 11:07 pm : link
I guess the average height of our received increased a few inches this off season.
RE: Chips pushed straight  
SoDev : 4/27/2017 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13447158 B in ALB said:
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Into the fuckin middle. All of um. Win now.


2 time SB MVP w/2-3 good years left. A guy who has proven he has the it factor Anything other than going all in would be insane to me. I'd have puked if we took a QB. Would have meant to me they thought Eli was a shell of his former self.

Im riding off your quote, but responding to the idea of QB or long term strategy more than directly to you, B.
RE: Sy ranked him #2 TE  
Floyd_Fan : 4/27/2017 11:08 pm : link
In comment 13447171 Steve in South Jersey said:
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, http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2017/04/13/new-york-giants-2017-nfl-draft-preview-tight-ends/ - ( New Window )

Sy ranked 7 players higher and 8 others with the same grade.
in his top 15.
RE: Should have been  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:08 pm : link
In comment 13447212 Mike B from JC said:
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No more doubles on obj


Exactly! And don't think that wasn't a reason for the pick. Pick your poison opposing secondaries!!!!
RE: Don't love the pick  
Gmen4Life21 : 4/27/2017 11:08 pm : link
In comment 13447093 Matt M. said:
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Don't hate the pick. He may be the best TE available, but he still doesn't give us the physical TE they need. But, neither would Njoku. I would have gone with a different position here. But, I can't complain either because he is immediately the #1 TE.


My immediate feeling 100%. I question the fit. I don't question the value/talent. I'll warm up to him though.
RE: heh  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 11:08 pm : link
In comment 13447263 Dodge said:
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I guess the average height of our received increased a few inches this off season.


Well, he's actually short for a TE, but really big for a guy who's flanked out.
It would have been nice  
Cenotaph : 4/27/2017 11:08 pm : link
to get a complete TE, like Howard (really the only one in draft), but no problem with the pick. Has great potential as a receiver, which is really the key thing you want from a TE. We got another big receiver in Marshall, but this guy's speed at TE should prove to be a real matchup issue.
Interesting coincidence...  
Capt. Don : 4/27/2017 11:09 pm : link
Laquan Treadwell, WR from Ole Miss went #23 overall to the vikings last year.

I do not think there is any comparison between the two. Very excited.
Can't block  
mdc1 : 4/27/2017 11:09 pm : link
Great that he can catch well but that is not our problem

I guess we will see more predictable play calls he will trot out on the field o passing downs ?
RE: RE: Sy ranked him #2 TE  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13447266 Floyd_Fan said:
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In comment 13447171 Steve in South Jersey said:


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, http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2017/04/13/new-york-giants-2017-nfl-draft-preview-tight-ends/ - ( New Window )


Sy ranked 7 players higher and 8 others with the same grade.
in his top 15.


Bottom line, Sy likes him
I wanted Hunter Henry last season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:09 pm : link
so I can't say I'm terribly down on this pick whatsoever. Looking forward to watching him play.
And I'm not convinced  
Cenotaph : 4/27/2017 11:10 pm : link
that Howard will be the better overall player or that the Giants didn't simply prefer Engram...there were a few small rumors out there
RE: RE: Don't love the pick  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13447269 Gmen4Life21 said:
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In comment 13447093 Matt M. said:


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Don't hate the pick. He may be the best TE available, but he still doesn't give us the physical TE they need. But, neither would Njoku. I would have gone with a different position here. But, I can't complain either because he is immediately the #1 TE.



My immediate feeling 100%. I question the fit. I don't question the value/talent. I'll warm up to him though.


The fit is ideal. This is not TCs offense
RE: Can't block  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13447274 mdc1 said:
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Can't block


We sure about that?
RE: Can't block  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2017 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13447274 mdc1 said:
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Great that he can catch well but that is not our problem

I guess we will see more predictable play calls he will trot out on the field o passing downs ?


What?
RE: i hope rhett ellison is ready to do some blocking  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13447194 jgambrosio said:
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because he won't be getting any catches in this offense at this rate, and we'll need the backfield protection...


That is why they got him!
RE: RE: heh  
Dodge : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13447270 yatqb said:
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In comment 13447263 Dodge said:


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I guess the average height of our received increased a few inches this off season.



Well, he's actually short for a TE, but really big for a guy who's flanked out.


Just saying, having a few playmakers over 6 foot is nice.
And let me just say  
bigbluehoya : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
Hitdog is a stone cold assasain on the asshattery
Where is this guy gonna play  
ghost718 : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
Should be an interesting answer

RE: Can't block  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13447274 mdc1 said:
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Great that he can catch well but that is not our problem

I guess we will see more predictable play calls he will trot out on the field o passing downs ?


He can block some.
For all the talk of the o-line,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
we really could use guys who get open immediately. Engram can. I see Engram used in conjunction with Ellison/Adams in the no-huddle, but their versatility allows the Giants to use FAR more formations than they have in the past. Engram can be a wing on one play (Aaron Hernandez), line up in the slot on the next play, then line up as an H-back on the play after that.

They could've gone in a few other directions, but I have little doubt that Engram is a player who will get as close to his ceiling as possible.

Good pick Jerry.
can't block ?  
bc4life : 4/27/2017 11:11 pm : link
he can learn and that is why they signed Ellison.
RE: RE: Should have been  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13447268 Emil said:
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In comment 13447212 Mike B from JC said:


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No more doubles on obj



Exactly! And don't think that wasn't a reason for the pick. Pick your poison opposing secondaries!!!!


I don't think that was going to be an issue either way, with Marshall on the other side.
.....  
BleedBlue : 4/27/2017 11:12 pm : link
wanted njoku but im good with it
RE: RE: Don't love the pick  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13447269 Gmen4Life21 said:
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In comment 13447093 Matt M. said:


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Don't hate the pick. He may be the best TE available, but he still doesn't give us the physical TE they need. But, neither would Njoku. I would have gone with a different position here. But, I can't complain either because he is immediately the #1 TE.



My immediate feeling 100%. I question the fit. I don't question the value/talent. I'll warm up to him though.


I don't agree, because McAdoo will scheme an offense to get a ton of folks open every down. Like GB's offense.

he's a hands catcher  
mphbullet36 : 4/27/2017 11:12 pm : link
gotta love that. Never seems to let it get into his body
RE: he's a hands catcher  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13447302 mphbullet36 said:
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gotta love that. Never seems to let it get into his body


He has excellent hands! Better than many WRs
who was the compelling pick  
bc4life : 4/27/2017 11:13 pm : link
instead of him?
Best  
AcidTest : 4/27/2017 11:13 pm : link
part is that Reese didn't trade up, or take an injured player.
And we won't be in 11 formation every down.  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 11:14 pm : link

Dodge, I get it, and agree. Nice to have a few tall receivers for Eli!
Guys  
Sy'56 : 4/27/2017 11:15 pm : link
His blocking numbers against LBs and DBs are top tier. TOP tier
Love the pick.  
St. Jimmy : 4/27/2017 11:15 pm : link
After Shockey, the position has always been an after thought during Eli's career. He never had that security blanket there on 3rd down.
RE: RE: Chips pushed straight  
B in ALB : 4/27/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13447264 SoDev said:
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In comment 13447158 B in ALB said:


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Into the fuckin middle. All of um. Win now.




2 time SB MVP w/2-3 good years left. A guy who has proven he has the it factor Anything other than going all in would be insane to me. I'd have puked if we took a QB. Would have meant to me they thought Eli was a shell of his former self.

Im riding off your quote, but responding to the idea of QB or long term strategy more than directly to you, B.


I like the pick. Not sure what your response means, I guess?

Are we in agreement? I'm hoping so.

It's a solid pick. Very exciting.
RE: RE: he's a hands catcher  
mphbullet36 : 4/27/2017 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13447308 Emil said:
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gotta love that. Never seems to let it get into his body



He has excellent hands! Better than many WRs


i mean if we get decent pass protection how do you defend us? Last year the giants saw a ton of two deep safeties and they were going to see it a lot this year. Now how are you going to guard Engram. With a linebacker and the deep middle open???

the seem will be $$$
RE: MATCHUP versus POSITION  
Gmen4Life21 : 4/27/2017 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13447251 Rafflee said:
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I Love it!!! They already have a blocking TE.... this guy doesn't need to do EVERYTHING day 1...he can do ONLY what he already does well, and be a major impact.

I love the Pick!....and it shows that MacAdoo is having an influence and growing the offense out.


This is my other thought, having Ellison in house allows this.
RE: I Like It !!  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13447215 Koffman said:
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Check out his highlight film Engram Highlight Film - ( New Window )


3 min mark, obj one handed catch comparison
RE: can't block ?  
mdc1 : 4/27/2017 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13447293 bc4life said:
[quote] he can learn and that is why they signed

Yeah right
The cool thing is they CAN double OBJ now...we don't care.  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 11:17 pm : link
We're gonna have a bunch of big time receiving options to take defenses apart.
If the offensive line gets it's act together this year  
bc4life : 4/27/2017 11:17 pm : link
this is going to be a scary offense.
Very happy with this pick!  
David in LA : 4/27/2017 11:18 pm : link
Eli is surrounded with potent weapons, me they are everywhere. If we can get some talent in the OL pipeline and we bring in Blount at a reasonable deal, this offseason is a home run.
mdc1  
bc4life : 4/27/2017 11:18 pm : link
great response
Engram vs Howard vs Njoku.....  
Koffman : 4/27/2017 11:18 pm : link
O.J. Howard
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2013 ALA 14 269 19.2 52 2
2014 ALA 17 260 15.3 53 0
2015 ALA 38 602 15.8 63 2
2016 ALA 45 595 13.2 68 3

David Njoku
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2016 MIAMI 43 698 16.2 76 8
2015 MIAMI 21 362 17.2 58 1

Evan EngramREC YDS AVG LNG TDYEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2013 MISS 21 268 12.8 64 3
2014 MISS 38 662 17.4 83 2
2015 MISS 38 464 12.2 36 2
2016 MISS 65 926 14.2 63 8
2016 vs 2017  
SLIM_ : 4/27/2017 11:18 pm : link
Engram/Marshall >>>>>>>> Cruz/Tye
.  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:18 pm : link
I'm surprised people don't like this pick. I mean, not that surprised.. but surprised.

Engram is going to be a guy we can line up on the line, in the slot, split wide.. this dude is going to be a matchup nightmare. Too fast for linebackers, too big for a lot of DB's.

Defenses already have to worry about covering Beckham and Brandon Marshall. Shepard is no slouch, either. Teams are going to have to play a lot of zone because they're not going to be able to man us up.

Engram is going to be a serious weapon. Good luck stopping this team in the RZ.
haven't had a TE  
bc4life : 4/27/2017 11:19 pm : link
that really concerned opposing defenses since Shockey.
I like ir  
DavidinBMNY : 4/27/2017 11:19 pm : link
I don't love it, but I see the logic.

Collectively we had the worst TEs in the league.

Our WRS are small prior to Marshall.

We now have 2 huge mismatch guys and 2 small mismatch guys.

Good luck covering that.

We can now play both 11 and 12 sets.
Four-wide  
CT Charlie : 4/27/2017 11:20 pm : link
set at the 30 yard line: OBJ, Marshall, Shep, Engram. Who you gonna cover?
I kinda like the pick,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 11:20 pm : link
but when I hear 'undersized TE', especially with this FO, I think of Travis Beckum. Please tell me this guy is alot better than that scrub/awful pick at...everything?
RE: 2016 vs 2017  
mfsd : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13447347 SLIM_ said:
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Engram/Marshall >>>>>>>> Cruz/Tye


Bingo.
He makes  
Pete in MD : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
one-handed catches like Odell.
so does this qualify as  
DC Gmen Fan : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
a "sexy" move?
RE: RE: can't block ?  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13447337 mdc1 said:
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In comment 13447293 bc4life said:
[quote] he can learn and that is why they signed

Yeah right

mdc please share your immense knowledge with us as I am sure you have spent hours scouting Engram. Sy said he is a solid blocker.
Slim  
GeoMan999 : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
That is a great summary. Marshall and Ingram vs Cruz and Tye. Wow!
RE: Now, will they sign Blount?  
KeoweeFan : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13447162 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I want to see the running game improved too, and Blount will help big time!

Let's wait 'til after day 2 before jumping on Blount.
Plenty of good RBs still available if you are not looking for a feature back. (I'm high on Gallman for that role.)
Remember Blount was an UDFA.
RE: I kinda like the pick,  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13447364 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but when I hear 'undersized TE', especially with this FO, I think of Travis Beckum. Please tell me this guy is alot better than that scrub/awful pick at...everything?


Engram is nothing like Travis Beckum.
Sheppard is the guy who is  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/27/2017 11:22 pm : link
Really going to benefit from this. He is going to be the forgotten man.
Koffman  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2017 11:22 pm : link
Stats are nice but it's he speed, explosion and catching skills that clearly project to matchup problem in the NFL.

He"s more explosive than Reed. Same type of player but he's a tougher guy to cover.
RE: RE: I kinda like the pick,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13447373 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13447364 Dave in Hoboken said:


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but when I hear 'undersized TE', especially with this FO, I think of Travis Beckum. Please tell me this guy is alot better than that scrub/awful pick at...everything?



Engram is nothing like Travis Beckum.


Okay, good. I don't know anything about Engram, so I'm not going to pretend I do. That's why I asked.
RE: I kinda like the pick,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13447364 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but when I hear 'undersized TE', especially with this FO, I think of Travis Beckum. Please tell me this guy is alot better than that scrub/awful pick at...everything?


Sy thought he was the 2nd best TE in the draft.

He will  
MotownGIANTS : 4/27/2017 11:23 pm : link
Be moved into the back field to run various routes as well ...... we will see more TE screens
Engram in the SEC  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:23 pm : link
vs. Alabama (2016): 9 catches, 138 yards, TD
vs. Florida State (2016): 9 catches, 121 yards, TD

He can absolutely play against top competition
Sorry, should have said Engram vs. elite competition  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:23 pm : link
not just the SEC
Engram is a wr  
Tuckrule : 4/27/2017 11:23 pm : link
Forget the tight end label. He can be marshalls replacement in a year or two. Ran a faster 40 than mike Evans.
Seems like a 'tweener' ... and I'm not impressed  
Spider56 : 4/27/2017 11:24 pm : link
All the talk about offensive weapons ... but to win in December you have to be able to run the ball. Would have liked to see someone who can block.
...  
annexOPR : 4/27/2017 11:24 pm : link
Nice to see the Giants enter the 21st century

If he's anywhere near Jordan Reed, this is the best group of weapons Eli has ever had
RE: Seems like a 'tweener' ... and I'm not impressed  
Matt in SGS : 4/27/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13447394 Spider56 said:
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All the talk about offensive weapons ... but to win in December you have to be able to run the ball. Would have liked to see someone who can block.


That's why they signed Ellison. And let's face it, this Giants offense is not a smashmouth one. That's not how this team is going to win games on offense.
RE: RE: RE: I kinda like the pick,  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13447380 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13447373 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13447364 Dave in Hoboken said:


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but when I hear 'undersized TE', especially with this FO, I think of Travis Beckum. Please tell me this guy is alot better than that scrub/awful pick at...everything?



Engram is nothing like Travis Beckum.



Okay, good. I don't know anything about Engram, so I'm not going to pretend I do. That's why I asked.


Yeah, definitely don't worry about this being like Beckum - Engram is much faster, better hands, MUCH more difficult cover.. I'd say he's better at pretty much everything.

This is a legit weapon. Beckum was essentially an H-back hybrid player who really didn't excel at anything.
I picture the Giants using him like Gronk......  
Doomster : 4/27/2017 11:25 pm : link
They line him up at TE, and then they shift him outside, against a much smaller corner....this guy can go up for the ball....our Red Zone offense, with Marshall and Engram, should be much improved....

I remember the Pats doing this, and the defense sent a LB out there to cover him.....one juke and 50 yards later, it was no contest......this guy has the speed to get separation from linebackers, and jumping ability to go against smaller DB's.....

As for blocking, he is no Howard or Njoku.....but he is a talented athlete and I am sure he won't misfire on blocks like Tye and Donnell did.....
Just stop and think for a minute what this offense would like with  
Giantfan in skinland : 4/27/2017 11:26 pm : link
Jordan Reed. That's the comp being tossed around. If they hit with the pick and THAT'S what we get....alongside OBJ?!?!? That's straight nasty.

I guess with the Chiefs move up to take Mahomes  
mfsd : 4/27/2017 11:26 pm : link
we may never know if the late rumors about our interest in him was real
RE: RE: RE: RE: I kinda like the pick,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13447403 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13447380 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 13447373 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13447364 Dave in Hoboken said:


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but when I hear 'undersized TE', especially with this FO, I think of Travis Beckum. Please tell me this guy is alot better than that scrub/awful pick at...everything?



Engram is nothing like Travis Beckum.



Okay, good. I don't know anything about Engram, so I'm not going to pretend I do. That's why I asked.



Yeah, definitely don't worry about this being like Beckum - Engram is much faster, better hands, MUCH more difficult cover.. I'd say he's better at pretty much everything.

This is a legit weapon. Beckum was essentially an H-back hybrid player who really didn't excel at anything.


Thanks. Pretty exciting, then. Looking forward to the Fall even more now.
Beckum was a late 3rd rounder with 4.65 speed  
jcn56 : 4/27/2017 11:26 pm : link
The only thing they have in common is they both played college football.
RE: Seems like a 'tweener' ... and I'm not impressed  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13447394 Spider56 said:
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All the talk about offensive weapons ... but to win in December you have to be able to run the ball. Would have liked to see someone who can block.


Engram can block and Ellison can definitely block. We also have a bunch of picks left. This isn't the only player we're getting.
RE: Seems like a 'tweener' ... and I'm not impressed  
mphbullet36 : 4/27/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13447394 Spider56 said:
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All the talk about offensive weapons ... but to win in December you have to be able to run the ball. Would have liked to see someone who can block.


meh the giants won there last superbowl with no running game. And this pick also helps the running game because linebackers are going to have to be worried about the play action pass. If the over commit Engram runs right by them. Before they didn't have to worry about Tye/Donnell running down the field because they were so slow.

Our 11 personnel will be scrazy because teams will have to have a linebacker on Engram...good luck with that.
Some of you guys insisted on saying the Giants needed to take a TE  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:28 pm : link
since that's what the Green Bay offense does.


Well, TEs that are glorified WRs are exactly what the Green Bay offense does.
RE: Beckum was a late 3rd rounder with 4.65 speed  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13447415 jcn56 said:
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The only thing they have in common is they both played college football.


And they're both 6'3". :)
I love speed, so I'm v v happy with this pick  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 11:29 pm : link
Like to hear from Sy and Dave-Te about his hands, ability to come down with the ball etc . . .

Blocking does not concern me. A guy his size is not going to be used like a traditional TE in the running game. But I'll bet he comes a good blocker in pass pro.

Think about this: he is a decent amount fast than Christian McCaffrey, despite being a much bigger man. Wow.
RE: RE: Seems like a 'tweener' ... and I'm not impressed  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13447416 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13447394 Spider56 said:


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All the talk about offensive weapons ... but to win in December you have to be able to run the ball. Would have liked to see someone who can block.



Engram can block and Ellison can definitely block. We also have a bunch of picks left. This isn't the only player we're getting.


Football is changing, league is dominated by Tweeners at the TE position. Gronk is the exception, but he can't stay healthy.
RE: Guys  
PatersonPlank : 4/27/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13447319 Sy'56 said:
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His blocking numbers against LBs and DBs are top tier. TOP tier


So does this mean he will be an every down TE? Will he stay in for running plays? If not then the D knows we are passing when he comes in for Ellison.
RE: Beckum was a late 3rd rounder with 4.65 speed  
jeff57 : 4/27/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13447415 jcn56 said:
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The only thing they have in common is they both played college football.


Yeah, no comparison.
The Engram pick restores faith  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/27/2017 11:29 pm : link
that the Giants are in win now mode.

In Day 2 I would a pass rusher either from LB or DE.
Thiis makes  
mrvax : 4/27/2017 11:30 pm : link
the deep cover 2 defenseless.

FANTASTIC PICK.
RE: Some of you guys insisted on saying the Giants needed to take a TE  
Emil : 4/27/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13447422 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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since that's what the Green Bay offense does.


Well, TEs that are glorified WRs are exactly what the Green Bay offense does.


Bingo!
He will  
MotownGIANTS : 4/27/2017 11:30 pm : link
Add about 5 lbs .... so if he can just be a good chipper then attack the route with a LB on him that would be ok but him being telegraphs it is a passing play .... outside of draws and delayed handoffs
Beckham and Shepard in the slot; Marshall and Engram wide  
Ivan15 : 4/27/2017 11:31 pm : link
.
Paulie likes the pick  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/27/2017 11:31 pm : link
lets get an OL in 2nd 2
How old is  
SHO'NUFF : 4/27/2017 11:31 pm : link
Engram?
Comparisons to Beckum  
Go Terps : 4/27/2017 11:31 pm : link
Seems unfounded given that the offense is completely different. Beckum was an odd pick at the time, and reflective IMO of a disconnect between the player selection process and how they were employed on the field. Engram may have been a poor fit then too.

But in this offense? Makes total sense. Can't say yet if it's a good or bad pick, but it makes sense.

Fingers crossed for Lamp or Baker in round two.
RE: How old is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13447444 SHO'NUFF said:
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Engram?


He turns 23 right before the season starts.
RE: RE: RE: Seems like a 'tweener' ... and I'm not impressed  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13447427 Emil said:
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In comment 13447416 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13447394 Spider56 said:


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All the talk about offensive weapons ... but to win in December you have to be able to run the ball. Would have liked to see someone who can block.



Engram can block and Ellison can definitely block. We also have a bunch of picks left. This isn't the only player we're getting.



Football is changing, league is dominated by Tweeners at the TE position. Gronk is the exception, but he can't stay healthy.


Yes, this is a player type that is becoming much more coveted in this league - guys with Engrams skill set can do a ton of damage.

We all want the Giants to be able to block better.. for Eli, and for the backs. But reaching for a lineman @ 23 when much more talented players were on the board - like Engram - would have been a terrible strategy.
RE: How old is  
Koffman : 4/27/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13447444 SHO'NUFF said:
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Engram?


22
I don't watch college football, so that's why I asked,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 11:33 pm : link
since he and Beckum are similar size. Not into college football. I'd rather ask then pretend I know.
All you guys...  
Ed A. : 4/27/2017 11:33 pm : link
complaining? The kid is a coverage nightmare with Odell, Brandon. Sterling and Ellison at FB. Good luck to the Defensive Coordinators trying to stop them.
had engram in my one and only mock  
floridagiantsfan : 4/27/2017 11:33 pm : link
In round 2 I had Dawkins. Hope I'm right. Engram is a great choice. Fastest TE, Best hand of all te's and great route runner. We'll love this guy. Future all pro imo
Dave in Hoboken  
Klaatu : 4/27/2017 11:34 pm : link
In one of my many pre-draft posts pushing for Engram, I brought up Travis Beckum, but only to say that Reese had the right idea with Beckum, but the wrong player.

This time, it's the right idea and the right player.
I usually get the position right  
djm : 4/27/2017 11:34 pm : link
But never get the player right in round 1. Don't care I love it. Always want to see an athletic freak mismatch picked in the premium slots.

Maybe the giants trade up in round 2 and fill a need. They've done it before.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:34 pm : link
Also, teams are not going to be able to C2 us to death anymore. Engram will be a seam buster. Very important.
25 years ago yesterday  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/27/2017 11:34 pm : link
The Giants drafted a TE #1
Engram's vertical is also better than Howard's  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:34 pm : link
36" vs. 30" (Njoku was 37 1/2)
Jordan Reed  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2017 11:34 pm : link
Is an impact player right? He plays the same game. But...he's more explosive. It's super impressive how Engram takes off after the catch. He can take a 5 yard hook and spilt the defense for long gains.

Engram will make plays and make it easier for BeckhamZ. A lot of good defensive talent on the board but this pick makes a lot of sense for NYG.
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dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13447458 arcarsenal said:
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Also, teams are not going to be able to C2 us to death anymore. Engram will be a seam buster. Very important.


His highlights in college show him as a monster running seam routes or along the hash marks
RE: Dave in Hoboken  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2017 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13447456 Klaatu said:
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In one of my many pre-draft posts pushing for Engram, I brought up Travis Beckum, but only to say that Reese had the right idea with Beckum, but the wrong player.

This time, it's the right idea and the right player.


Gotcha. They are similar size, but Engram appears to be way better at football; that's all I needed to hear. Thanks to you and arc for answering my question. Much appreciated.
This is a good pick  
blueblood : 4/27/2017 11:35 pm : link
this aint your grandaddy's NFL.. There is more than one type of TE in the NFL. They got a guy who can move the sticks. The Giants can now utilize another formation OTHER Than 11 personnel. He can attack the seam. He is too fast for most LB's and too big for most CB's and Safeties..

You need the ability to stress a defense. This kid can help do that..

Its a solid pick. He is a better receiver and route runner than Njoku is NOW.. Njoku might be better 3 years from now.. but right NOW I think Engram has better hands and runs better routes..

If he can seal the perimeter vs CB's and LB's on running plays.. then he is doing his job.
RE: Engram is a wr  
dk in TX : 4/27/2017 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13447390 Tuckrule said:
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Forget the tight end label. He can be marshalls replacement in a year or two. Ran a faster 40 than mike Evans.


Bingo!
The Kg offense was a poor fit for Beckum imo  
David in LA : 4/27/2017 11:37 pm : link
He didn't get much burn, but I think he could have been a poor man's Dustin Keller in the right system.
For you twerps complaining  
colin : 4/27/2017 11:37 pm : link
Just watch this...
Link - ( New Window )
I dont see Ehllison and Engram  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:37 pm : link
on the field at the same time unless we go to two receivers with Sheppard on the bench so it will be interesting to see how they prevent telegraphing run/pass depending on what TE is in.
I see  
Mkdaman1818 : 4/27/2017 11:39 pm : link
Ellison being our primary run blocking TE, and Engram being our primary passing TE. Of course, we will start to mix it up during play action, but I'm guessing that will be our approach. Ellison can also be our FB.
RE: I dont see Ehllison and Engram  
yatqb : 4/27/2017 11:39 pm : link
In comment 13447475 ZGiants98 said:
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on the field at the same time unless we go to two receivers with Sheppard on the bench so it will be interesting to see how they prevent telegraphing run/pass depending on what TE is in.


I think they will take Shep off at times, with Ellison and Engram in both 2-TE and H-Back sets.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2017 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13447464 dpinzow said:
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Also, teams are not going to be able to C2 us to death anymore. Engram will be a seam buster. Very important.



His highlights in college show him as a monster running seam routes or along the hash marks


Yup. Guys like this destroy C2's. We didn't have the right player to do it last year. Not anymore.
RE: RE: I dont see Ehllison and Engram  
ZGiants98 : 4/27/2017 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13447484 yatqb said:
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In comment 13447475 ZGiants98 said:


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on the field at the same time unless we go to two receivers with Sheppard on the bench so it will be interesting to see how they prevent telegraphing run/pass depending on what TE is in.



I think they will take Shep off at times, with Ellison and Engram in both 2-TE and H-Back sets.


Yeah. I guess they will have to put thats pretty mind blowing to process right now. We are in a 3 WR set like all the time. lol.
Klaatu  
stretch234 : 4/27/2017 11:44 pm : link
Reese had the right idea with Beckum - Coughlin was the coach who would not utilize him in the role and wanted him to be a inline blocking TE. Beckum was really one of the first of that type of TE's

Engram as SO-SR played 8 games against AL, LSU, FL, FSU & TN - teams that send a lot of defensive players to NFL

8 games 34 catches 492 yds 14.47 ypc 4 TD's

He was hard to defend by good defenses - that is what you look at
Or maybe this one,  
colin : 4/27/2017 11:45 pm : link
The kid is a PROBLEM. My favorite one is at the 1:30 mark.
Link - ( New Window )
Beckum washed out on his own.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:45 pm : link
He wasn't really committed to work hard.
RE: RE: RE: Chips pushed straight  
SoDev : 4/27/2017 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13447327 B in ALB said:
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Into the fuckin middle. All of um. Win now.




2 time SB MVP w/2-3 good years left. A guy who has proven he has the it factor Anything other than going all in would be insane to me. I'd have puked if we took a QB. Would have meant to me they thought Eli was a shell of his former self.

Im riding off your quote, but responding to the idea of QB or long term strategy more than directly to you, B.



I like the pick. Not sure what your response means, I guess?

Are we in agreement? I'm hoping so.

It's a solid pick. Very exciting.


We are man. I agree. It was to people wanting a QB or other long term strategy. Engram should help us win more games on Sunday from day 1. Can't wait to see Beckham, Marshall, Shepherd and Engram on the field together. Anyone on edge will feel better when training camp reports start coming out.
I'm really excited about this offense!!!  
Captplanet : 4/27/2017 11:45 pm : link
Two tight end sets with Engram and Ellison
Marshall and Sheppard on one side
Beckham on the other
A one back set with Perkins in the backfield
And one of the best no huddle qb running the hurry-up.

RE: For you twerps complaining  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2017 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13447474 colin said:
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Just watch this... Link - ( New Window )


nice!
RE: Or maybe this one,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13447511 colin said:
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The kid is a PROBLEM. My favorite one is at the 1:30 mark. Link - ( New Window )


WOW. This kid moves like a wide reciever.
Just listened to the Giants.com video of NFL Network analysis  
dpinzow : 4/27/2017 11:49 pm : link
Mayock was comparing him to MIKE EVANS
RE: I'm really excited about this offense!!!  
WillVAB : 4/27/2017 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13447519 Captplanet said:
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Two tight end sets with Engram and Ellison
Marshall and Sheppard on one side
Beckham on the other
A one back set with Perkins in the backfield
And one of the best no huddle qb running the hurry-up.


That's 12 players.
He has very quick  
dune69 : 4/27/2017 11:50 pm : link
reaction after the catch. Speed kills. He will make Jerry Jones cry.
GB was able to murder us  
colin : 4/27/2017 11:52 pm : link
With their 4th option. Engram as the 4th option makes this offense scary. Doesn't matter if they know what we're doing if all our guys can beat 1 on 1 coverage. What's that term? Heavy handed? I love this pick.
Going to really interesting  
map7711 : 4/27/2017 11:53 pm : link
With Howard within reach (3rd round pick)
And Njoku on the board
But they went with Engram

Here's hoping he turns out to be great.
RE: Just listened to the Giants.com video of NFL Network analysis  
colin : 4/27/2017 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13447530 dpinzow said:
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Mayock was comparing him to MIKE EVANS


But faster. And honestly, may have better hands, Evans catches a case of the dropsies from time to time.
Kinda sounds like people who are falling back on  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2017 11:55 pm : link
"where will he play" are just upset that he's not Howard.

NFL Network/Mike Mayock.

yeah, Giants added Marshall plus this kid?  
Vanzetti : 4/27/2017 11:55 pm : link
whoa. That is a huge addition to the passing game. Throw in that Vereen will be back and Perkins will have more experience.

That it is a high octane passing game
"Engram is essentially a top tier speed WR that weighs 234 pounds."  
BillT : 4/27/2017 11:56 pm : link
From Sy's review. Like it!
RE: Thiis makes  
Mike from SI : 4/27/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13447432 mrvax said:
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the deep cover 2 defenseless.

FANTASTIC PICK.


Great point! Have fun playing that against us now!
RE: Anak is  
Anakim : 4/27/2017 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13447123 UConn4523 said:
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PISSED


Well, yes, I was but I guess I've warmed up to it...mainly because I've had to. I would've taken Foster, Ramczyk or Njoku. But one thing that gives me consolation is that McAdoo was a TE's coach so he must've pounded the table for Engram.

But even so, you guys said there was no chance we'd take a TE in the first round. That we don't put a premium on the TE position.
My 1st Round Yardstick since the late 70's: Do the Cowboys, Skins  
RGhost : 4/27/2017 11:59 pm : link
and Eagles fans I know hate our pick?

2017 Answer: F*(# yeah they do.
I think the NYG drafted the best player in the division tonight.  
The_Boss : 4/27/2017 11:59 pm : link
Yes, Washington took Allen, but he's taking his arthritic shoulder along for the ride. Dallas and Philly took edge rushers severely lacking lacking in twitch and explosion.
RE: RE: Anak is  
Klaatu : 4/27/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13447556 Anakim said:
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PISSED



Well, yes, I was but I guess I've warmed up to it...mainly because I've had to. I would've taken Foster, Ramczyk or Njoku. But one thing that gives me consolation is that McAdoo was a TE's coach so he must've pounded the table for Engram.

But even so, you guys said there was no chance we'd take a TE in the first round. That we don't put a premium on the TE position.


You fucked up! You trusted us!
RE: And let me just say  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13447288 bigbluehoya said:
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Hitdog is a stone cold assasain on the asshattery
yup, hitdog is money good, must be a direct line between MetLife and Trinity Pawling
RE: RE: Anak is  
BillT : 4/28/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13447556 Anakim said:
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PISSED



Well, yes, I was but I guess I've warmed up to it...mainly because I've had to. I would've taken Foster, Ramczyk or Njoku. But one thing that gives me consolation is that McAdoo was a TE's coach so he must've pounded the table for Engram.

But even so, you guys said there was no chance we'd take a TE in the first round. That we don't put a premium on the TE position.


"Engram is essentially a top tier speed WR that weighs 234 pounds."

From Sy's review.
OBJ 40-yard time: 4.43  
CT Charlie : 4/28/2017 12:01 am : link
Engram'? 4.42
RE: RE: RE: Anak is  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 12:02 am : link
In comment 13447568 BillT said:
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PISSED



Well, yes, I was but I guess I've warmed up to it...mainly because I've had to. I would've taken Foster, Ramczyk or Njoku. But one thing that gives me consolation is that McAdoo was a TE's coach so he must've pounded the table for Engram.

But even so, you guys said there was no chance we'd take a TE in the first round. That we don't put a premium on the TE position.



"Engram is essentially a top tier speed WR that weighs 234 pounds."

From Sy's review.


We'll see where they play him. I thought he was an H-Back and I didn't see how it made sense with Ellison and Tye essentially as H-Backs, but I do think he's an upgrade over those two. I was pretty pissed when the pick was made, but I do think Engram has potential to be a good player.
Klaatu  
Percy : 4/28/2017 12:02 am : link
Hit the nail on the head! Nice! (I like it, too.)
RE: OBJ 40-yard time: 4.43  
BillT : 4/28/2017 12:02 am : link
In comment 13447571 CT Charlie said:
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Engram'? 4.42

OBJ runs 4.43 in his sleep. I don't care what the combine numbers say. Use your eyes. He's easily in the 4.3s
RE: ...  
Mr. Nickels : 4/28/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13447053 Eric from BBI said:
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Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 8s8 seconds ago

There were whispers before the draft that the Giants liked Engram more than Howard.


Not this again. Fake news!
Various Twitter quotes RE; Engram  
blueblood : 4/28/2017 12:03 am : link
McAdoo: "Length, speed, play-maker... We're excited to hit him to the mix and hit the ground running with him."

Ben McAdoo on Evan Engram: "The fastest way to the end zone is down the middle of the field."

Ross on difference between Engram and Njoku: "(Engram's) versalitly, his hands, route running experience were what we liked about him"-GM

Ross: "The way Ole Miss used him, he could line up at 4-5 positions. I would envision we would use him in a similar fashion"-GM

Reese thinks Engram's speed down the middle will stress the 2-high safety look they saw so much last season.

"I can't put it into words...New York was at the top. This is an amazing feeling." - Evan Engram

"I know I'm ready to come in and make an immediate impact. I know for a fact." - Evan Engram

"Coaches love to move me around to create mismatches....I get excited when I see a big linebacker trying to man me up." - Evan Engram
RE: RE: Anak is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:04 am : link
In comment 13447556 Anakim said:
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PISSED



Well, yes, I was but I guess I've warmed up to it...mainly because I've had to. I would've taken Foster, Ramczyk or Njoku. But one thing that gives me consolation is that McAdoo was a TE's coach so he must've pounded the table for Engram.

But even so, you guys said that we don't put a premium on the TE position.


I don't think picking a TE on the first day for the first time in fourteen years means that that line of thinking was suddenly all nonsense. They have passed on many TEs over the years.
Willvab  
Captplanet : 4/28/2017 12:05 am : link
You're right that is 12 players. I guess you also made the case for drafting Howard over Engram. With Howard, no need to have a 2 tight end set for versatility.
AND I can potentially  
Dave on the UWS : 4/28/2017 12:05 am : link
See him replacing Marshall at WR in a couple of years with Adams being the full time TE of he develops. I don't think the Emgram pick precludes this as a possibility.
this is a scary thought  
blueblood : 4/28/2017 12:05 am : link
Ole Miss Evan Engram ran 4.42 in the 40, 3rd-fastest by a TE since 2006. Only 4 wide receivers ran the 40 faster than Engram at the combine.
When I started reading about this kid . . . .  
TC : 4/28/2017 12:06 am : link
I was worried that he was too soft for TE, jut an over-sized WR. Was quickly disabused watching his video. He may not be taking on DL's from a 3-point stance, but I've not seen any TE tougher or more willing to square up to defenders. I think more than a few will be surprised by how tough and aggressive this kid is as a blocker.
RE: Word is  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 12:07 am : link
In comment 13447173 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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They were set to take Missouri DE there before Miami took him 1 pick before.


Well, there's that. I'd rather have Engram than Charles Harris. I'd be surprised if Harris ends up as anything more than a situational pass-rusher.
Good solid pick.  
prdave73 : 4/28/2017 12:07 am : link
Could be a very scary offense, lets just hope the Oline holds up..
RE: RE: RE: Anak is  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 12:07 am : link
In comment 13447581 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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PISSED



Well, yes, I was but I guess I've warmed up to it...mainly because I've had to. I would've taken Foster, Ramczyk or Njoku. But one thing that gives me consolation is that McAdoo was a TE's coach so he must've pounded the table for Engram.

But even so, you guys said that we don't put a premium on the TE position.



I don't think picking a TE on the first day for the first time in fourteen years means that that line of thinking was suddenly all nonsense. They have passed on many TEs over the years.


Granted, but there were people who said there was no chance we'd take a TE. Call him an overgrown WR or whatever, but he's listed as a TE.
Engram is a better player NOW than Njoku  
blueblood : 4/28/2017 12:07 am : link
he runs better routes and catches the ball much better. Njoku has more upside but he is still learning..
I love it  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/28/2017 12:07 am : link
I agree with him on making an immediate impact.
Speed Kills!! I'm excited by the prospect of a big fast receiver with  
Marty in Albany : 4/28/2017 12:07 am : link
big soft hands. If he were also a top notch blocker, he'd have been picked long before he got to us. He looks like a real weapon.

Nevertheless, after watching his highlight reel, I have some doubts about his ability to help the Giants:

1. Evan seems to catch the ball in stride instead of always having to jump to make a reception. This is bad form, no?

2. After catching the ball, Evan continues to run with it instead of falling down. I thought falling down was required.

3. He seems to hold onto the ball at all times instead of dropping it on a regular basis.

4. Evan seems to catch a lot of passes without much effort instead of having to make a circus catch to complete any pass thrown his way.

I just don't know what Reese was thinking.
You're killing me, Marty!  
Klaatu : 4/28/2017 12:10 am : link
You're killing me.
Vacchiano says Peppers came in second  
jeff57 : 4/28/2017 12:11 am : link
That if it weren't for the diluted sample, they may have taken him. Harris and Davis were smokescreens. Would have taken Bolles.
Link - ( New Window )
Marty, you'll just have to live with it.  
TC : 4/28/2017 12:13 am : link
Not everyone can be the JPP of TE's.
Marty  
GeoMan999 : 4/28/2017 12:13 am : link
Exactly! It will take us a full season to get used to this guy!
RE: Vacchiano says Peppers came in second  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2017 12:14 am : link
In comment 13447603 jeff57 said:
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That if it weren't for the diluted sample, they may have taken him. Harris and Davis were smokescreens. Would have taken Bolles. Link - ( New Window )


I heard Engram from two different people (a long time ago), one who insisted Bolles was never in the picture.
I think he ran...  
M.S. : 4/28/2017 12:16 am : link
...a 4.37 at the Combine!

If true, think about that for a moment.

A 6-3+ guy at 235 with great hands and super track speed.

Whoa.

Yikes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:16 am : link
I would not be happy with Peppers. I feel like that is a move a GM makes to make it seem like he's smarter than the room.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2017 12:16 am : link
NFL Media's Matt Smith, Bucky Brooks, and Lance Zierlein give Evan Engram an A draft grade.
Instant Draft Grade Evan Engram: A - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Vacchiano says Peppers came in second  
Klaatu : 4/28/2017 12:18 am : link
In comment 13447608 Eric from BBI said:
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That if it weren't for the diluted sample, they may have taken him. Harris and Davis were smokescreens. Would have taken Bolles. Link - ( New Window )



I heard Engram from two different people (a long time ago), one who insisted Bolles was never in the picture.


Good job by you (and others) keeping that under your hat. As much as I wanted the Giants to draft Engram, I honestly didn't think there was a chance in hell that they would.
RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:20 am : link
In comment 13447615 Eric from BBI said:
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NFL Media's Matt Smith, Bucky Brooks, and Lance Zierlein give Evan Engram an A draft grade. Instant Draft Grade Evan Engram: A - ( New Window )


"Runs routes like a WR" and now the Giants interest makes a lot more sense.
Eric,  
Dan in the Springs : 4/28/2017 12:21 am : link
did you hear from a BBI poster? Can you confirm who on here seem to be legit asshats?

Just curious...
RE: RE: Don't hate the pick  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/28/2017 12:24 am : link
In comment 13447163 UConn4523 said:
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But Eli is still going to need more than two seconds to throw the ball.



1, the line is going to be better and 2, we are going to pass fast, run blocking just might be more important moving forward.


How so? I am confident that Reese and company think this guy is going to be special, but what leads you to think the line will be better? I hope that Flowers progresses and that a healthy Pugh and Richburg will help, but that seems like a bold statement
RE: RE: RE: Don't hate the pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:28 am : link
In comment 13447631 Ned In Atlanta said:
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In comment 13447163 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 13447137 Reb8thVA said:


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But Eli is still going to need more than two seconds to throw the ball.



1, the line is going to be better and 2, we are going to pass fast, run blocking just might be more important moving forward.



How so? I am confident that Reese and company think this guy is going to be special, but what leads you to think the line will be better? I hope that Flowers progresses and that a healthy Pugh and Richburg will help, but that seems like a bold statement


It's optimistic, but not bold. You're asking players who have played at a high level before to play at a high level again. We now know Richburg was playing with injury. Pugh always seems to be dinged up.
I'm quite relieved we took a playmaker...  
Torrag : 4/28/2017 12:31 am : link
...and didn't force the OL.

As for Engram he's a physical freak with incredible upside as a receiving threat from multiple formations. His length, 33.5" arms, 4.42 speed, sub 7 3-cone all add up to a guy that is a mismatch for LB's and most safeties. I think he'll also be a very good perimeter and space blocker. Not sure he'll ever be a 'plus' blocker in-line but he doesn't have to be if we utilize him properly.

I have a buddy  
mattyblue : 4/28/2017 12:45 am : link
who works for Ole Miss football and he says Engram will be above average blocker when he hits the NFL regimen.
He called  
mattyblue : 4/28/2017 12:46 am : link
him very very strong.
I have been  
mattyblue : 4/28/2017 12:47 am : link
trying to get him to post on here but I don't think he is willing to. He isn't a Giants fan either.
RE: RE: Vacchiano says Peppers came in second  
Lionhart28 : 4/28/2017 12:47 am : link
In comment 13447608 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13447603 jeff57 said:


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That if it weren't for the diluted sample, they may have taken him. Harris and Davis were smokescreens. Would have taken Bolles. Link - ( New Window )



I heard Engram from two different people (a long time ago), one who insisted Bolles was never in the picture.


yeah, sounds like Ralph is covering his ass
Bolles looks like an oddball.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:48 am : link
Kinda thinking that was smoke.
RE: Eric,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2017 12:51 am : link
In comment 13447623 Dan in the Springs said:
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did you hear from a BBI poster? Can you confirm who on here seem to be legit asshats?

Just curious...


I can't really comment on that for obvious reasons.
Anybody else looking forward to seeing an empty backfield . . . .  
TC : 4/28/2017 1:24 am : link
with Ellison lined up at TE, and OBJ, Shepard, Marshall and Engram as receivers?
Not that it really matters  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2017 1:33 am : link
but Jordan must be feeling a bit perplexed. He repeatedly said "no chance" Giants would take Engram. Yikes.
I love the pick...  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2017 1:34 am : link
Engram has incredible hands, athleticism, and like most say is essentially a bid body receiver out there playing TE. Oh and he's faster than everyone else. Great stuff Jerry!
RE: Not that it really matters  
blueblood : 4/28/2017 1:40 am : link
In comment 13447680 ryanmkeane said:
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but Jordan must be feeling a bit perplexed. He repeatedly said "no chance" Giants would take Engram. Yikes.


This means the Giants are getting better at the smokescreen...
From Walter Football:  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 1:49 am : link
"While other members of Ole Miss' superb 2013 recruiting class received more attention, Engram really played well in his debut for the Rebels. The true freshman caught 21 passes for 268 yards with three touchdowns. 2014 was an even better season for Engram than his freshman year. The sophomore caught 38 passes for 662 yards with two touchdowns in 2014. Engram was a dangerous receiving threat who carved up Alabama, Auburn and Mississippi State. Engram absolutely torched and abused future New York Giants safety Landon Collins in their matchup that season."
For the experts  
montanagiant : 4/28/2017 1:53 am : link
What would it have taken to move up to take Howard and would that have been worth it in comparison to getting Engram?
I'm sure it was posted somewhere at some point, but Mayock's quote  
ChaChing : 4/28/2017 1:59 am : link
"one of the smartest & cleanest players in this draft"
"his skillset i think is closer to Mike Evans"
"he ran a tenth of a second faster than Mike Evans at the same weight"

Mayock - ( New Window )
I'm resisting making a thread for this  
adamg : 4/28/2017 2:01 am : link
but Engram blocked #1 overall Myles Garrett several times in the Ole Miss vs. Texas A&M game, and didn't whiff except once.

He's a real h-back. With Ellison or Adams in-line, play action is going to be a true threat again.

This was a brilliant pick imo.
Dude if going to be a beast - ( New Window )
RE: For the experts  
adamg : 4/28/2017 2:04 am : link
In comment 13447685 montanagiant said:
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What would it have taken to move up to take Howard and would that have been worth it in comparison to getting Engram?


Looking at the draft pick value chart, it looks like our 2nd (350 points) and 1st (760 points) would buy the 18th (900 points).
Evans comp isn't a good one  
KWALL2 : 4/28/2017 2:05 am : link
He is much quicker. Much more explosive.

Evans wins with size and length. He doesn't use short area quicks to get open.

Engram cuts and separatesZ . He's better on short routes. He's quick and explosive. That isn't Evans. He is Jordan Reed but more explosive. That's he comp and it's a great weapon for us.
I paid way less attention to the draft  
giantgiantfan : 4/28/2017 2:31 am : link
this year than in past years. I figured Howard would be gone. After looking at highlights between Engram and Njoku, Engram seems like the guy who will come in an contribute more so day 1. Njoku looks like he could be your more traditional TE, which is appealing, but also looked like kind of a project.

Pretty happy with this selection. Great hands, speed, seems to love football. Sounds like he will be a willing blocker and can hopefully improve in that area. Maybe add 10 pounds to his frame to aid in that.

Go Giants! Can't wait for rounds 2 and 3!
RE: I'm resisting making a thread for this  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2017 4:32 am : link
In comment 13447687 adamg said:
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but Engram blocked #1 overall Myles Garrett several times in the Ole Miss vs. Texas A&M game, and didn't whiff except once.

He's a real h-back. With Ellison or Adams in-line, play action is going to be a true threat again.

This was a brilliant pick imo. Dude if going to be a beast - ( New Window )


His run blocking in that video was surprisingly good. While he struggled at times with technique, his effort level was ALWAYS high. Outside of 1 play, his pass protection was pretty good too.

Nice find.
RE: I'm resisting making a thread for this  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2017 4:30 am : link
In comment 13447687 adamg said:
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but Engram blocked #1 overall Myles Garrett several times in the Ole Miss vs. Texas A&M game, and didn't whiff except once.

He's a real h-back. With Ellison or Adams in-line, play action is going to be a true threat again.

This was a brilliant pick imo. Dude if going to be a beast - ( New Window )



His run blocking in that video was surprisingly good. While he struggled at times with technique, his effort level was ALWAYS high. Outside of 1 play, his pass protection was pretty good too.

Nice find.
RE: I'm resisting making a thread for this  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2017 4:32 am : link
In comment 13447687 adamg said:
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but Engram blocked #1 overall Myles Garrett several times in the Ole Miss vs. Texas A&M game, and didn't whiff except once.

He's a real h-back. With Ellison or Adams in-line, play action is going to be a true threat again.

This was a brilliant pick imo. Dude if going to be a beast - ( New Window )


His run blocking in that video was surprisingly good. While he struggled at times with technique, his effort level was ALWAYS high. Outside of 1 play, his pass protection was pretty good too.

Nice find.
Oops...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2017 4:47 am : link
sorry about that.
He's an upgrade at TE because he can run a route and catch the ball  
GeofromNJ : 4/28/2017 5:03 am : link
None of the TE's on the current roster can do this. But if you're looking to Ellison to block, Ellison will also have to be the RB if you want to play three WR's. You can field only 11 players on offense. Five OL, Engram, Shepard, Beckham, Marshall, Ellison, and Eli make eleven. No more room for a talented RB.
I like the pick ...  
Beer Man : 4/28/2017 5:11 am : link
Was surprised we took him in the 1st when a number of mocks had us taking him in the 2nd. Having said that, I fully realize JR and company do their homework; which doesn't include a review of the mocks.
Thrilled w/the pick  
TheMick7 : 4/28/2017 5:20 am : link
He was my guy for TE even w/Njoku still on the board. He ran a 4.42 at the combine (OBJ ran a 4.43), great hands, w/RAC every time he gets the ball (no Tye catch,Tye go down) & along w/Marshall,a huge red zone threat. Every draft guide I read compares him to Jordan Reed but faster. We have gone from the smurf receiving corp in 2016 to a 2017 addition w/OBJ,Shepherd,Marshall & Engram. If we can add Blount as a big back, this offense is scary. Going forward in the 2nd/3rd round,I hope we take an OLineman, which I think we will. But, Engram is a difference maker & I'm excited about how he'll fit into Mac's Offense!
RE: Oops...  
adamg : 4/28/2017 6:00 am : link
In comment 13447712 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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sorry about that.


Hey, highlighting my post without the need for a whole thread. I consider that a win, brother.
a very big surprise for me,  
BIGbluegermany : 4/28/2017 6:32 am : link
but a nice pick,imo.
2nd fastest skill position player at the Combine this year  
ZogZerg : 4/28/2017 7:25 am : link
Wow.
for better or worse its a clear trend  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 7:37 am : link
David Wilson over Cordy Glen, ODB over Zach Martin and a super skinny TE Engram over Lamp.

There are probably other examples.

And, while we do love ODB for sure, we also all saw the results of the trend come W/L column, style of play and frustrating inconsistency high risk / high reward choices in what to do with the ball, how to maintain drives.

All that said, the draft is not at all over.

That said, it is typically much harder to hit on all 7 picks when one goes this direction early. Expect a trade up in 2 with resulting effect on rest of draft, team balance issues.
nothing against the kid, at all, he will probably be great  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 7:51 am : link
but check out how narrow his base is for a TE.

Jerry has often placed additional value on kids on both sides of the ball with that narrow base for whatever reason.


Hey, idiot...  
Klaatu : 4/28/2017 8:04 am : link
Did you forget about Justin Pugh over Tyler Eifert, or Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley and DeVante Parker? How about Weston Richburg over Jace Amaro?

Suddenly, the trend is not so "clear," is it.
excepth those were 'had to', or 'best left' vs 'ideal'  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 8:08 am : link
based on how they drafted the years prior.

and neither has been ideal for mac ball, as the maddening inability to maintain drives without resorting to Eli-Becks every time showed us.
I like the pick. Sy56 is very high on him, says he's a better blocker  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2017 8:13 am : link
than most think. Peppers and maybe Charlton are the only guys taken below him that I had any interest in for the Giants. I think this is a better pick.

KUDOS to Jordan Ranaan for the spot on call that the Giants had no interest in Njoku.
RE: Pudits comparing  
Deej : 4/28/2017 8:17 am : link
In comment 13447096 Rflairr said:
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him to Jordan Reed


EE is a better athlete. Much faster.
"Truly hard to hit on  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2017 8:20 am : link
all 7 picks when one goes this direction early." I'm not even sure what that means but it makes close to zero sense.
bright side  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 8:20 am : link
with marshal and engram, our wr corps should now be better at blocking Dbacks in the run game, or for short reception deals, screens what have you.

also taller.
RE: excepth those were 'had to', or 'best left' vs 'ideal'  
Klaatu : 4/28/2017 8:22 am : link
In comment 13447856 idiotsavant said:
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based on how they drafted the years prior.


That's just so much BS. Either there's a trend or there isn't, and "clearly" there isn't.

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and neither has been ideal for mac ball, as the maddening inability to maintain drives without resorting to Eli-Becks every time showed us.


Hence the signing of Brandon Marshall, who should pay big dividends on 3rd down and in the red zone, and the drafting of Engram, as dynamic an offensive playmaker as you'll find in this year's draft. 6-3, with 4.42 speed and ten-inch hands...he's just what the doctor ordered to cure our woefully anemic offense.
ryan  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 8:23 am : link
long term trend:

-especially when picking late ish in each round, your choice of positional emphasis in round 1 impacts on your ability, or not, to find quality at certain positions all the way down the rest of the draft.
hope so klaatu  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 8:24 am : link
also would enjoy a team that can actually run the ball.

I think eli might appreciate to run viable play action again as well
Has Dave Te  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/28/2017 8:32 am : link
posted his scouting report of Engram yet. I know he likes him, but would love to read his write up.
Great pick. Exactly what this offense needed.  
Watson : 4/28/2017 9:11 am : link
Somewhere Beckham should be smiling.
I like the Pick.  
GMen23 : 4/28/2017 9:29 am : link
Didn't see mentioned here. A typical Reese grading factor. "Two year Ole Miss Captain.
RE: Speed Kills!! I'm excited by the prospect of a big fast receiver with  
clatterbuck : 4/28/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13447597 Marty in Albany said:
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big soft hands. If he were also a top notch blocker, he'd have been picked long before he got to us. He looks like a real weapon.

Nevertheless, after watching his highlight reel, I have some doubts about his ability to help the Giants:

1. Evan seems to catch the ball in stride instead of always having to jump to make a reception. This is bad form, no?

2. After catching the ball, Evan continues to run with it instead of falling down. I thought falling down was required.

3. He seems to hold onto the ball at all times instead of dropping it on a regular basis.

4. Evan seems to catch a lot of passes without much effort instead of having to make a circus catch to complete any pass thrown his way.

I just don't know what Reese was thinking.


Perfect!
RE: nothing against the kid, at all, he will probably be great  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13447819 idiotsavant said:
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but check out how narrow his base is for a TE.

Jerry has often placed additional value on kids on both sides of the ball with that narrow base for whatever reason.




He probably isn't a TE in the long term. Fattening him up may not be the best move for his career. He is an athlete. Watch him play. He runs and moves and makes adjustments to a pass like a WR.

Swap the position from his info card to WR and guys with timed speed and eye test like this usually go in the top ten. If we look back on this in two years and he's basically Mike Evans, I won't complain one bit.
RE: Speed Kills!! I'm excited by the prospect of a big fast receiver with  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/28/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13447597 Marty in Albany said:
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big soft hands. If he were also a top notch blocker, he'd have been picked long before he got to us. He looks like a real weapon.

Nevertheless, after watching his highlight reel, I have some doubts about his ability to help the Giants:

1. Evan seems to catch the ball in stride instead of always having to jump to make a reception. This is bad form, no?

2. After catching the ball, Evan continues to run with it instead of falling down. I thought falling down was required.

3. He seems to hold onto the ball at all times instead of dropping it on a regular basis.

4. Evan seems to catch a lot of passes without much effort instead of having to make a circus catch to complete any pass thrown his way.

I just don't know what Reese was thinking.


I also noticed that he doesn't do a somersault when he anticipates contact. Something to work on.
RE: ....  
JonC : 4/28/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13447020 Eric from BBI said:
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JonC called it.


Thanks, Eric.
really  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/28/2017 9:53 am : link
feeling like the red zone issues we had last year was a primary concern going into the offseason. Marshall & Engram should improve the red zone offense considerably. TE has always been a very big role in our red zone offense. Larry Donnell was a weak option but still had a high percentage of our red zone looks. Replace that with Engram and Cruz with Marshall and that's a lot of body space in the endzone.
lots of draft to come, that's the good news  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 10:03 am : link
problem being, that if we cannot run the ball, you leave the current OL on the horns of a dilemma:

Having to do very basic pass pro technique on each and every down (with no viable play action threat).

which did not go well last year. poor Flowers is a basket case right now.

not sure what the plan is - schematic or positional, or both, but it is not all that entertaining for old school football fans and did not help Manning much.
Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
Deej : 4/28/2017 10:05 am : link
NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically
Link - ( New Window )
Engram  
WillVAB : 4/28/2017 10:07 am : link
I like his athleticism and upside. If he's used correctly (big if) he could be an impact player.

That said, there's questions about his blocking ability. If he struggles blocking at the NFL level it's going to affect his ability to get on the field and really devalues the pick. If he can't block either he sits or Marshall/Shep sits (devaluing the Shep pick and/or Marshall acquisition).



You  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2017 10:09 am : link
guys need to watch Engram vs Texas A&M. He blows up Garrett on a few instances.
RE: really  
JonC : 4/28/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13448168 Steve in Greenwich said:
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feeling like the red zone issues we had last year was a primary concern going into the offseason. Marshall & Engram should improve the red zone offense considerably. TE has always been a very big role in our red zone offense. Larry Donnell was a weak option but still had a high percentage of our red zone looks. Replace that with Engram and Cruz with Marshall and that's a lot of body space in the endzone.


Yep, it also busts Cover-2 and gets brackets off OB. Big upside pick similar to Apple, these are really young dudes.
mentioned on the other thread  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 10:23 am : link
with the FA TE we signed, Marshal, and EE even just as a good blocking slot, we may need to go for a much heavier dose of outside zone runs next season, ala Falcons, and then play action.

Not sure how much advantage we are taking of Marshal, Engram and the new FA TE in blocking if we are still relying on the G-C-G to hold up on each and every play as a clear pass thing.

Whereas with a variety of outside zone runs, all these new players can run block various types of defenders.

getting Perkins out to the edge very quickly will be a key.

possibly the front office has forced a change to play calling %ages, either way it will a very close call if we can nail the rest of the draft.
conversly, if you want the new players to run deep seam routes  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 10:27 am : link
with current line and no play action, instead a simple drop back and pass, you are still asking the line to do something it had trouble with last year.

RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
blueblood : 4/28/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13448211 Deej said:
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )


He is also faster than AJ Green..

I dont care what they call this kid.. TE, HBack, WR. Doesnt matter. Giants just got more explosive of offense and should be much better in the red zone as well.
RE: RE: For the experts  
montanagiant : 4/28/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13447688 adamg said:
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In comment 13447685 montanagiant said:


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What would it have taken to move up to take Howard and would that have been worth it in comparison to getting Engram?



Looking at the draft pick value chart, it looks like our 2nd (350 points) and 1st (760 points) would buy the 18th (900 points).
I think our 3rd (155) gets us to the 900. Next question is giving up that 3rd worth it for Howard over Engram?
so what you guys are saying  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 10:33 am : link
is that -with a better pass protecting line-, this kid and ODB will basically torch and destroy defenses.

How to get that done?
RE: RE: RE: For the experts  
adamg : 4/28/2017 10:41 am : link
In comment 13448280 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13447688 adamg said:


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In comment 13447685 montanagiant said:


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What would it have taken to move up to take Howard and would that have been worth it in comparison to getting Engram?



Looking at the draft pick value chart, it looks like our 2nd (350 points) and 1st (760 points) would buy the 18th (900 points).

I think our 3rd (155) gets us to the 900. Next question is giving up that 3rd worth it for Howard over Engram?


Another thread showed teams usually overpay in the first to trade up. If you do the third pick, you likely have to include another as well, a 6th or 7th maybe. Or a 4th for a 5th swap kind of deal.

And no, I don't think Howard is worth two picks if we can land Engram.
Keep something in mind  
Jay on the Island : 4/28/2017 10:48 am : link
To those of you worried about Engram's blocking ability keep in mind who he is replacing. Donnell was the worst TE in the NFL in terms of blocking. While he works at it Tye is also a below average blocker. Jerrell Adams was our best blocking TE but he is still raw and needs to get stronger and improve his technique.

The TE position is very similar to 2002. The Giants had one of the league's best blocking TE's in Dan Campbell which allowed Shockey to run more routes. Now Ellison is Campbell but luckily we won't lose him in a year like the Giants did when Campbell left which affected Shockey's production and it also affected the play of the offensive line.
RE: RE: really  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13448242 JonC said:
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In comment 13448168 Steve in Greenwich said:


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feeling like the red zone issues we had last year was a primary concern going into the offseason. Marshall & Engram should improve the red zone offense considerably. TE has always been a very big role in our red zone offense. Larry Donnell was a weak option but still had a high percentage of our red zone looks. Replace that with Engram and Cruz with Marshall and that's a lot of body space in the endzone.



Yep, it also busts Cover-2 and gets brackets off OB. Big upside pick similar to Apple, these are really young dudes.


It's really interesting that they supposedly wanted Bolles after taking Flowers, Apple and Engram, all really young guys.
Yep they paid Ellison AND made this pick for a reason  
Stu11 : 4/28/2017 10:51 am : link
They will line up Ellison very much like Pasco/Cambell and to boot he's a better pass catcher than them. You have to be really excited about watching this football team next year. Man what a difference a year makes!
I like the pick but....  
Jersey55 : 4/28/2017 11:04 am : link
it just gives us another receiver who doesn't block well ....
RE: I like the pick but....  
The_Boss : 4/28/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13448381 Jersey55 said:
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it just gives us another receiver who doesn't block well ....


I've read his blocking is better than you think as is his willingness to block. The exact opposite of The and the departed Larry Donnell.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 11:20 am : link
There's a misconception around here that Engram is all pass-catcher and has no blocking ability.

This isn't true.
I can't get over his quickness and movement  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 11:23 am : link
He's just not a TE. You'd wouldn't believe it if you didn't know his position. He looks so natural turning back to catch a seam or making these twisting falling adjustment catches. Gonna try to cut some of this video into gifs.

With both Marshall and Engram  
GeofromNJ : 4/28/2017 11:27 am : link
the Giants should be able get into the end zone once they're in the red zone. Last year it was painful to watch them move downfield and come up empty.
If he can only learn from Donnell how to get airborne  
Jimmy Googs : 4/28/2017 11:28 am : link
more often, then we would have a complete TE in Engram...
Willing blocker is the best you're gonna get  
ghost718 : 4/28/2017 11:29 am : link
He also looks small out there when playing against teams like Auburn and A&M.
Daniel Jerremiah  
mitch300 : 4/28/2017 11:39 am : link
on Benigo and Roberts mentioned that the Giants can line him up in the back field, and see how the defense is set up and move him to the left or right.
RE: Willing blocker is the best you're gonna get  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13448478 ghost718 said:
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He also looks small out there when playing against teams like Auburn and A&M.


Is there anything the Giants do that you approve of? Or do you just choose to find fault in every single thing imaginable?

You must be a real treat...
RE: RE: Willing blocker is the best you're gonna get  
ghost718 : 4/28/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13448520 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13448478 ghost718 said:


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Is there anything the Giants do that you approve of? Or do you just choose to find fault in every single thing imaginable?

You must be a real treat...


Well, the problem is there has been a lot of bad the past few years(5 or so),so it kinda lines up with my opinions.1 playoff season hasn't erased my memory.
RE: RE: RE: really  
JonC : 4/28/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13448332 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13448242 JonC said:


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In comment 13448168 Steve in Greenwich said:


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feeling like the red zone issues we had last year was a primary concern going into the offseason. Marshall & Engram should improve the red zone offense considerably. TE has always been a very big role in our red zone offense. Larry Donnell was a weak option but still had a high percentage of our red zone looks. Replace that with Engram and Cruz with Marshall and that's a lot of body space in the endzone.



Yep, it also busts Cover-2 and gets brackets off OB. Big upside pick similar to Apple, these are really young dudes.



It's really interesting that they supposedly wanted Bolles after taking Flowers, Apple and Engram, all really young guys.


From what I was told there was no interest in OL at #23.
RE: .  
PatersonPlank : 4/28/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13448447 arcarsenal said:
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There's a misconception around here that Engram is all pass-catcher and has no blocking ability.

This isn't true.


I sincerely hope this is true. If he can just be an adequate blocker, which means better than Donnel and Tye, then this is a great pick. I just want him on the field all the time, not just for pass plays.
RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13448211 Deej said:
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )


Reed is also 10 lbs heavier and having concussion issues playing TE at a smaller size in the NFL. I like the pick though as he creates big time match up issues. I am curious though how we can play him in single TE sets unless we plan on passing the whole time. If we play him in 2 TE sets, which makes a ton of sense, then you are taking one of Marshall, Shepherd, or OBJ off the field. One thing for sure... on 3rd and 4 in hurry up with Marshall, OBJ, Shep, Engram, and then flex Perkins or Vereen out of the back field for 5 wide... It is like in taken... good luck
RE: I like the pick but....  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13448381 Jersey55 said:
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it just gives us another receiver who doesn't block well ....


Well this is wrong... For a WR he is one of the better blocking WRs in the NFL. For a TE though his blocking is lacking. Big difference between the 2. He is a great blocker for WR
RE: RE: RE: Willing blocker is the best you're gonna get  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13448535 ghost718 said:
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In comment 13448478 ghost718 said:


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Is there anything the Giants do that you approve of? Or do you just choose to find fault in every single thing imaginable?

You must be a real treat...



Well, the problem is there has been a lot of bad the past few years(5 or so),so it kinda lines up with my opinions.1 playoff season hasn't erased my memory.


The team won 11 games last year. The defense was outstanding. We added the best available WR in FA - we just drafted a TE who is going to be a massive weapon in the pass game.

If you can't be excited about the prospect of this years team, I'm not sure if you're going to find good in anything.

2013-2015 were ugly. But this team is pretty clearly headed in a much better direction right now.
I love the thought process with this pick  
Kyle in NY : 4/28/2017 11:51 am : link
Brings another weapon to the offense with some versatility that we didn't have. This is the option down the seam that we simply did not have last season. I love the size, route running, and speed combination. And by all indications, while he's not a dominant blocker, he's more than willing and at least adequate at it.

Seeing comparisons to Jordan Reed and Aaron Hernandez (on the field obviously). Yes please.

sy on his blocking  
Kyle in NY : 4/28/2017 11:53 am : link
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While his blocking impact may not be as high as some of the others, he is no slouch. The two time team captain leaves it all out on the field each week and his weaknesses can be somewhat hidden in most situations.


So where are these complaints coming from? It's like people hear hybrid WR/TE and just assume he doesn't give a shit about his blocking
EE has elements of Odell to his game  
Deej : 4/28/2017 11:57 am : link
it's not surprising that this F.O. was drawn to him.
the TEs were an abomination  
djm : 4/28/2017 12:02 pm : link
this time last year. Now they are as intriguing and deep a group as any team going. BE happy.

Giants have managed to turn a few sore spots into strengths in the span of one calendar year. DL, TE, WR and DB are all loaded now. LB and RB aren't terrible but that's assuming we add a RB here at some point. The OL isn't as bad as people think. The biggest problem with the OL last year was at TE. Flowers needs to eliminate 2 bad games and we are fine. He doesn't have to be great. The OL doesn't have to even be very good. Just adequate. You can't have stars everywhere.
Here are some quick and dirty cuts from available video  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:15 pm : link
This is just on what I feel is WR type athletics and body control in TE wrapping paper.




His tested vertical was 36". It shows.




Fluid, natural athlete. Not creaky or slow to get moving. (Read: not Adrien Robinson)



Ball skills.





Quickness of a much smaller sized person.



Route running, hands, aggression and toughness when smelling a score.



Body control, balance to stay on his feet.



Hands, concentration to complete on a busted play, doesn't get too excited. Downfield speed.



Comfortable in the seam, makes his play without needing to change play speed.



RE: For you twerps complaining  
Knee of Theismann : 4/28/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13447474 colin said:
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Just watch this... Link - ( New Window )


Yeah after watching that... he is a dangerous weapon and a matchup nightmare for defenses. Can't really go wrong with a draft pick that fits that description.
RE: I like the pick but....  
djm : 4/28/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13448381 Jersey55 said:
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it just gives us another receiver who doesn't block well ....


Actually it gives us another "receiver" who does in fact block well. So does MArshall.

The draft makes people weird.
Tremendous ball skills  
GiantJake : 4/28/2017 12:19 pm : link
Watching the video highlights, what sticks out to me is his hands. Add that to his athletic ability and speed. This guy is a weapon. Eli and McAdoo are going to have fun finding ways to drive defenses crazy with these receivers.
TTH  
JonC : 4/28/2017 12:20 pm : link
Well done. The body control, hands, instincts, and ability to get open make him seem more like a big WR in the Mike Evans blueprint.
Shepard wasn't dynamic  
area junc : 4/28/2017 12:20 pm : link
enough to worry about taking him off the field. Imagine some packages with Marshall and Engram split wide - OBJ in the slot - and Ellison at in-line TE?

So much you can do.

We've gone from having to use the same formation 95% of the time and being laughably easy to prepare for, to being a team that can run almost an infinite number of formations. Hope McAdoo's ready to expand the playbook.
RE: TTH  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13448628 JonC said:
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Well done. The body control, hands, instincts, and ability to get open make him seem more like a big WR in the Mike Evans blueprint.


Mike Evans came to mind too, but he doesn't have that long-limbed awkwardness that a lot of bigs have. He seems really agile and quick, except he's also 230+ and 6'3.

It's really easy to see why the team liked him.
RE: RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
robbieballs2003 : 4/28/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13448542 Amtoft said:
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )



Reed is also 10 lbs heavier and having concussion issues playing TE at a smaller size in the NFL. I like the pick though as he creates big time match up issues. I am curious though how we can play him in single TE sets unless we plan on passing the whole time. If we play him in 2 TE sets, which makes a ton of sense, then you are taking one of Marshall, Shepherd, or OBJ off the field. One thing for sure... on 3rd and 4 in hurry up with Marshall, OBJ, Shep, Engram, and then flex Perkins or Vereen out of the back field for 5 wide... It is like in taken... good luck


Unless you put Beckham in the backfield. Swing passes. Toss passes. You can get creative with this. lol.
I found the highlights vs Texas A&M the best of the linked videos  
cosmicj : 4/28/2017 12:48 pm : link
Because it showed Engram blocking, which I thought he was doing well and, significantly, with some enthusiasm. Make sure to take the time and watch those highlights. Well worth it.
TTH  
KWALL2 : 4/28/2017 1:31 pm : link
Thanks for the images.

This is the play that should have everybody excited:



This quickness/explosion is what separates him from the other TEs. This guy is going to be a great player for NYG.
The ball skills  
Kyle in NY : 4/28/2017 1:35 pm : link
really stand out as well. Can't wait to see all these weapons together on the field
RE: sy on his blocking  
santacruzom : 4/28/2017 1:53 pm : link
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So where are these complaints coming from? It's like people hear hybrid WR/TE and just assume he doesn't give a shit about his blocking


Shit, I think people just reflexively think "can't block" of most tight ends who are really good at catching.

It's like how people reflexively think "can't play run" of any DE who's a fast pass rusher.
Those highlights are astounding.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/28/2017 2:29 pm : link
Guy is so fast and he's 6'3". That's insane.
RE: RE: For you twerps complaining  
Carson53 : 4/28/2017 3:04 pm : link
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Just watch this... Link - ( New Window )



Yeah after watching that... he is a dangerous weapon and a matchup nightmare for defenses. Can't really go wrong with a draft pick that fits that description.
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That's nice, means diddly starting in 2017. Thanks for input, and taking up half the thread as well!
What a great pick  
JPinstripes : 4/28/2017 4:20 pm : link
by the Giants. I can't believe they added a talent like this kid to OBJ, Shep and BM.
RE: I found the highlights vs Texas A&M the best of the linked videos  
annexOPR : 4/28/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13448707 cosmicj said:
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Because it showed Engram blocking, which I thought he was doing well and, significantly, with some enthusiasm. Make sure to take the time and watch those highlights. Well worth it.


the knocks on his blocking are so overblown it's ridiculous, almost as if people didn't pay attention and just assumed a guy that runs 4.4 must be "soft".

I doubt he'll ever be a dominant "in line TE", but whatever it's 2017 and he's a freak of nature that I can't imagine covering 1 on 1 successfully, so there's that.
RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
annexOPR : 4/28/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13448211 Deej said:
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )


will tye's measurables eerily resembled Jordan reed if I remember correctly ... it's not even close with Engram

he's basically a turbocharged version of Reed/Hernandez ... with Odell outside and Marshall added I honestly have no idea how you'd game plan for this pass game.
After watching a lot of Engram highlights  
Jay on the Island : 4/28/2017 4:51 pm : link
I have to say I am very impressed with Chad Kelly's arm. I know he has a questionable character but I would like to take a chance on this kid in the 5th or 6th round. Having him sit and learn from Eli could be just what Kelly needs. He will see how hard a professional works and all the preparation that is needed to be successful.
RE: RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
Scyber : 4/28/2017 4:53 pm : link
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )



Reed is also 10 lbs heavier and having concussion issues playing TE at a smaller size in the NFL. I like the pick though as he creates big time match up issues. I am curious though how we can play him in single TE sets unless we plan on passing the whole time. If we play him in 2 TE sets, which makes a ton of sense, then you are taking one of Marshall, Shepherd, or OBJ off the field. One thing for sure... on 3rd and 4 in hurry up with Marshall, OBJ, Shep, Engram, and then flex Perkins or Vereen out of the back field for 5 wide... It is like in taken... good luck



Reed is 10lbs heavier now. He was just about the same weight as Engram coming out of school. Engram was 234 at the combine, Reed was 236.
RE: After watching a lot of Engram highlights  
annexOPR : 4/28/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13449329 Jay on the Island said:
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I have to say I am very impressed with Chad Kelly's arm. I know he has a questionable character but I would like to take a chance on this kid in the 5th or 6th round. Having him sit and learn from Eli could be just what Kelly needs. He will see how hard a professional works and all the preparation that is needed to be successful.


funny, I also found myself watching the QB after a few highlights ... he's the kind of guy you use a day 3 pick on

I'd much rather have Kelly in the 5/6th than any of these QBs in the 1st
RE: After watching a lot of Engram highlights  
cosmicj : 4/28/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13449329 Jay on the Island said:
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I have to say I am very impressed with Chad Kelly's arm. I know he has a questionable character but I would like to take a chance on this kid in the 5th or 6th round.


Glad you posted this Jay because I kept thinking that QB has some ability.
RE: RE: After watching a lot of Engram highlights  
Jay on the Island : 4/28/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13449350 annexOPR said:
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funny, I also found myself watching the QB after a few highlights ... he's the kind of guy you use a day 3 pick on

I'd much rather have Kelly in the 5/6th than any of these QBs in the 1st

I am not going to pretend I have seen a lot of Trubisky or any of the other QB's besides Mahomes but I was actually more impressed with Kelly's highlight videos than I was with Trubisky's. I also would rather use a late round pick on Kelly instead of a 1st on any of the other QB's.
Watched a bunch of Engram down here in SEC country  
Jimmy Googs : 4/28/2017 5:40 pm : link
over past few years. The guy has some serious wheels and has the type of game, at the speed level of the current NFL game, to be considered nothing other than a true weapon.

Looking forward to having Eli as my fantasy starter each week...

RE: RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
Mark C : 4/28/2017 5:40 pm : link
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )



will tye's measurables eerily resembled Jordan reed if I remember correctly ... it's not even close with Engram

he's basically a turbocharged version of Reed/Hernandez ... with Odell outside and Marshall added I honestly have no idea how you'd game plan for this pass game.


The defensive plan for this passing game? Two words: Pass rush
He seems somewhat similar to Ebron  
Sonic Youth : 4/28/2017 5:50 pm : link
And just as athletic. What was it about Ebron that made him go in the top 10 vs our boy Engram?
RE: RE: RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 5:51 pm : link
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )



Reed is also 10 lbs heavier and having concussion issues playing TE at a smaller size in the NFL. I like the pick though as he creates big time match up issues. I am curious though how we can play him in single TE sets unless we plan on passing the whole time. If we play him in 2 TE sets, which makes a ton of sense, then you are taking one of Marshall, Shepherd, or OBJ off the field. One thing for sure... on 3rd and 4 in hurry up with Marshall, OBJ, Shep, Engram, and then flex Perkins or Vereen out of the back field for 5 wide... It is like in taken... good luck



Unless you put Beckham in the backfield. Swing passes. Toss passes. You can get creative with this. lol.


Oh that is good. Of course your are telegraphing pass, but still who are you going to cover especially when there is motion. I mean it gives a lot of options and options are good.
RE: RE: RE: Reed vs. Engram 40 yard dash  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 5:52 pm : link
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )



Reed is also 10 lbs heavier and having concussion issues playing TE at a smaller size in the NFL. I like the pick though as he creates big time match up issues. I am curious though how we can play him in single TE sets unless we plan on passing the whole time. If we play him in 2 TE sets, which makes a ton of sense, then you are taking one of Marshall, Shepherd, or OBJ off the field. One thing for sure... on 3rd and 4 in hurry up with Marshall, OBJ, Shep, Engram, and then flex Perkins or Vereen out of the back field for 5 wide... It is like in taken... good luck




Reed is 10lbs heavier now. He was just about the same weight as Engram coming out of school. Engram was 234 at the combine, Reed was 236.


Good to know. I always though Reed was over 240 at the combine. Amazing the speed of Reed as he looks much quicker than 4.72 IMO.
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Sonic Youth : 4/28/2017 6:21 pm : link
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NFL Network: Engram "blows the doors off Reed" athletically Link - ( New Window )



Reed is also 10 lbs heavier and having concussion issues playing TE at a smaller size in the NFL. I like the pick though as he creates big time match up issues. I am curious though how we can play him in single TE sets unless we plan on passing the whole time. If we play him in 2 TE sets, which makes a ton of sense, then you are taking one of Marshall, Shepherd, or OBJ off the field. One thing for sure... on 3rd and 4 in hurry up with Marshall, OBJ, Shep, Engram, and then flex Perkins or Vereen out of the back field for 5 wide... It is like in taken... good luck



Unless you put Beckham in the backfield. Swing passes. Toss passes. You can get creative with this. lol.



Oh that is good. Of course your are telegraphing pass, but still who are you going to cover especially when there is motion. I mean it gives a lot of options and options are good.
I do agree it's a little bothersome that he doesn't seem well suited to a single TE set. Seems like the only way to have him and Ellison on the field at the same time is empty backfield.

I wonder if it's viable to go 3 wide with OBJ - Marshall - Shepard, Engram at TE or motioning out to the slot, with Ellison being the one in the H-back role for pass protection (I'm not a coach or scout, so maybe you'd switch Ellison and Engram's positions).

Lastly, I think that our goal line set would be awesome to pass out of if you had Ellison/Engram/Tye/Adams on the field at the same time (with one, probably Ellison or Adams lined up as fullback).

I wonder if they'll keep all 4 TEs, because they do all have a roll. I'd be kind of bummed if Tye or Adams was cut. I think they both deserve sports in lieu of a fullback.
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