but the player will see precious little time on the line this year. If anything, drafting an o-lineman is more for insurance if we fail to re-sign Pugh, Richburg, or Fluker.
Lamp is versatile and can even play center. Dawkins, Garcia, Asiata, Elflein, Pocic are all good lineman who would add depth and insurance. I'm sure we'll come away with someone halfway decent.
For the second round, I think we stick with the BPA strategy and worry about drafting for depth and the future from round 3 on.
I would either go o-line or defense (any position) in rounds 2-3. Pay attention to rb , possibly kicker and depth in day 3.
All defensive positions can use some depth with the d-line in strictest need. However if any players standout elsewhere by all means I hope Reese goes for them.
If you are using the word 'depth' as early as round 2, you fucked up.
Disagree. A third de is an obvious need and a great way to rotate in fresh players. A great cover lb is a great need on passing packages. Another cab would be a great way to cover four wr packages outside of your base. All are great tools for a championship team.
All the names being thrown around this is crazy. Whether they trade up or not, they will land a solid player. One of the more exciting Day 2's I can remember. Almost feels more exciting than Rd 1.
...the BPA. Don't force anything, let the board come to you.
Couldn't agree more. Way too many good players. But if Reese and Co. have a players rated in the 20's falling to the 40's I think they might make a move. Looks like the best rd to trade up to will be the 3rd. 2nd rounders that fall into the top of the 3rd could be the sweet spot.
Do you guys think we see more players skipping bowl games considering it seemingly had zero impact on Fournette and McCaffrey?
Yes no question. On Mike and Mike this morning they talked about it and Golic mentioned a good point. If the team doesn't even make a bowl game, why not sit out the last game or two of the season. Bad trend starting.
...the BPA. Don't force anything, let the board come to you.
Move up for the right player but I don't want to sacrifice next years picks.
Couldn't agree more. Way too many good players. But if Reese and Co. have a players rated in the 20's falling to the 40's I think they might make a move. Looks like the best rd to trade up to will be the 3rd. 2nd rounders that fall into the top of the 3rd could be the sweet spot.
Lots of players I really like that are left, my wish list, in order:
Jordan Willis
Chris Wormley
Budda Baker
Kevin King
Dalvin Cook
Tyus Bowser
Forrest Lamp
Cam Robinson
DeMarcus Walker
Isaac Asiata
At first glance, it would appear that Bowser and Asiata have the best chance of slipping to #56. Backflips would be in order if anyone from Willis-Cook made it to us. In terms of immediate impact, Baker would be awesome - he was the glue guy in the UW secondary not to mention that he could play both FS and slot corner if needed.
Anyone think there might be a chance for a trade up?
But I doubt they will. Need to address OL, and then in rd 3, either RB/CB/DL. I'd be thrilled if they could get one of the CBs in this draft...I feel the D-line needs to be beefed up though.
RB and DL can also be addressed out of the draft (Blount, some of the fA DTs)... we still have a few holes to fill but if we can go OL in rd 2, and address the otehr positions, I'd be estatic.
I think Wormley is worth giving up the Round 4 pick. I don't know about giving up the Round 3 pick. Maybe.
Lamp, I don't know if I would trade up though, if I thought I could get Dawkins. Now, as I think about it, I would not trade up for Lamp.
Wormley, yes, I would trade up for him. JPP, Wormley, Snacks, Vernon. That seems to be a killer D-Line and everyone would be signed too. Plus DT is a "need" position since Hankins went to Indy (never to be heard from again ...)
We're set much deeper in the Round than last year and our 4th rounder is buried in the backwater due to the 'walkie talkie' penalty from the dallas game. No way should we trade our 3rd in this Draft.
With a DT and a CB, they can consider the night a success. I don't see the need to force an OL pick or a RB pick.
With the reduced practice time and spread offenses prevalent in college FB, few- if any- OL will be prepared to step in immediately and start. Thus, the Giants are better off drafting a development OL type who would benefit from a year in the weight room and the film room.
They would also be better served seeing if a bruising RB will fall to round 4- the tough yardage type. If one does, draft him day 3. If not, sign Blount. Why use a premium pick on a guy who will have a limited role in the offense and isn't likely to become a feature back even in the future?
Instead, focus on developing depth again. As FA approaches for OBJ and some other young guys, the Giants are not going to have lots of cap space going forward. Thus, be proactive- draft the guys who will replace the vets going forward- and be the depth now.
A good CB who can be the 4th CB now could allow the Giants to let DRC walk next year- and help keep the cap in balance.
Think there's a decent that Reese will pull a Landon Collins in round 2 and trade up several spots. Think they'd like either Willis or Bowser and they won't get either at 55.
If they don't trade up, I'll go with Dion Dawkins or Taylor Moton in Rd 2 and Derek Rivers or Daeshon Hall in Rd 3.
I wanna sit tight for a bit and see how some things unfold
There's no one I really think is worth trading up for...at least right now. After a few picks go by and the trade demands drop a bit, then I might be tempted to move up.
Lots of players I really like that are left, my wish list, in order:
Jordan Willis
Chris Wormley
Budda Baker
Kevin King
Dalvin Cook
Tyus Bowser
Forrest Lamp
Cam Robinson
DeMarcus Walker
Isaac Asiata
At first glance, it would appear that Bowser and Asiata have the best chance of slipping to #56. Backflips would be in order if anyone from Willis-Cook made it to us. In terms of immediate impact, Baker would be awesome - he was the glue guy in the UW secondary not to mention that he could play both FS and slot corner if needed.
Just make a list of all the DTs and that is our board for this pick. This is where we go get our DTs in round 2 and 3. Mostly 2, but sometimes 3. We are a lock to get a DT no matter what today. Ohhh wait I mean my inside info says DT is likely!
DE Jordan Willis
DT Chris Wormley
FS Budda Baker
CB/FS Desmond King
CB Kevin King
CB Chidobe Awuzie
CB Quincy Wilson
RB Dalvin Cook
RB Alvin Kamara
OLB Tyus Bowser
OLB Zach Cunningham
OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson
FS Marcus Williams
FS Obi Melifonwu
I mean that's a long list....meaning the Giants won't take anyone from my list :P
MAYBE. MAYBE. MAYBE Malik McDowell but that is entirely up to the scouts who have spoken to him and those around him.
I would be quite pissed if we deviated from my list :P
Lamp is versatile and can even play center. Dawkins, Garcia, Asiata, Elflein, Pocic are all good lineman who would add depth and insurance. I'm sure we'll come away with someone halfway decent.
For the second round, I think we stick with the BPA strategy and worry about drafting for depth and the future from round 3 on.
All defensive positions can use some depth with the d-line in strictest need. However if any players standout elsewhere by all means I hope Reese goes for them.
As we saw, as much as we love Pugh as a guard, even he got pushed back within the framework of never ending obvious pass plays.
If you are using the word 'depth' as early as round 2, you fucked up.
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If anything, drafting an o-lineman is more for insurance if we fail to re-sign Pugh, Richburg, or Fluker.
The same can be said for the LB unit, as a number of players on the unit have contracts that will be ending this year.
If you are using the word 'depth' as early as round 2, you fucked up.
Disagree. A third de is an obvious need and a great way to rotate in fresh players. A great cover lb is a great need on passing packages. Another cab would be a great way to cover four wr packages outside of your base. All are great tools for a championship team.
Wormley
Willis
Lawson
Asiata
Hunt
Perine
Couldn't agree more. Way too many good players. But if Reese and Co. have a players rated in the 20's falling to the 40's I think they might make a move. Looks like the best rd to trade up to will be the 3rd. 2nd rounders that fall into the top of the 3rd could be the sweet spot.
Yes no question. On Mike and Mike this morning they talked about it and Golic mentioned a good point. If the team doesn't even make a bowl game, why not sit out the last game or two of the season. Bad trend starting.
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...the BPA. Don't force anything, let the board come to you.
Move up for the right player but I don't want to sacrifice next years picks.
Couldn't agree more. Way too many good players. But if Reese and Co. have a players rated in the 20's falling to the 40's I think they might make a move. Looks like the best rd to trade up to will be the 3rd. 2nd rounders that fall into the top of the 3rd could be the sweet spot.
Jordan Willis
Chris Wormley
Budda Baker
Kevin King
Dalvin Cook
Tyus Bowser
Forrest Lamp
Cam Robinson
DeMarcus Walker
Isaac Asiata
At first glance, it would appear that Bowser and Asiata have the best chance of slipping to #56. Backflips would be in order if anyone from Willis-Cook made it to us. In terms of immediate impact, Baker would be awesome - he was the glue guy in the UW secondary not to mention that he could play both FS and slot corner if needed.
Realistic - Wormley or Brantley
Or Davis Webb
RB and DL can also be addressed out of the draft (Blount, some of the fA DTs)... we still have a few holes to fill but if we can go OL in rd 2, and address the otehr positions, I'd be estatic.
I think Wormley is worth giving up the Round 4 pick. I don't know about giving up the Round 3 pick. Maybe.
Lamp, I don't know if I would trade up though, if I thought I could get Dawkins. Now, as I think about it, I would not trade up for Lamp.
Wormley, yes, I would trade up for him. JPP, Wormley, Snacks, Vernon. That seems to be a killer D-Line and everyone would be signed too. Plus DT is a "need" position since Hankins went to Indy (never to be heard from again ...)
2. Robinson
3. Adams
Would be an awesome haul.
Maybe the 4th would bump them up 2 or 3 spots. Maybe.
With the reduced practice time and spread offenses prevalent in college FB, few- if any- OL will be prepared to step in immediately and start. Thus, the Giants are better off drafting a development OL type who would benefit from a year in the weight room and the film room.
They would also be better served seeing if a bruising RB will fall to round 4- the tough yardage type. If one does, draft him day 3. If not, sign Blount. Why use a premium pick on a guy who will have a limited role in the offense and isn't likely to become a feature back even in the future?
Instead, focus on developing depth again. As FA approaches for OBJ and some other young guys, the Giants are not going to have lots of cap space going forward. Thus, be proactive- draft the guys who will replace the vets going forward- and be the depth now.
A good CB who can be the 4th CB now could allow the Giants to let DRC walk next year- and help keep the cap in balance.
If they don't trade up, I'll go with Dion Dawkins or Taylor Moton in Rd 2 and Derek Rivers or Daeshon Hall in Rd 3.
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Wouldn't trade up for him but he'd be on my shortlist when we pick
I think the Giants will look for OL, LB, maybe a RB and a QB but they will go BPA.
If they can sign Blount then that takes care of one of the positions.
Jordan Willis
Chris Wormley
Budda Baker
Kevin King
Dalvin Cook
Tyus Bowser
Forrest Lamp
Cam Robinson
DeMarcus Walker
Isaac Asiata
At first glance, it would appear that Bowser and Asiata have the best chance of slipping to #56. Backflips would be in order if anyone from Willis-Cook made it to us. In terms of immediate impact, Baker would be awesome - he was the glue guy in the UW secondary not to mention that he could play both FS and slot corner if needed.
I like this list a lot
DT Chris Wormley
FS Budda Baker
CB/FS Desmond King
CB Kevin King
CB Chidobe Awuzie
CB Quincy Wilson
RB Dalvin Cook
RB Alvin Kamara
OLB Tyus Bowser
OLB Zach Cunningham
OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson
FS Marcus Williams
FS Obi Melifonwu
I mean that's a long list....meaning the Giants won't take anyone from my list :P
MAYBE. MAYBE. MAYBE Malik McDowell but that is entirely up to the scouts who have spoken to him and those around him.
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