Cleveland did a nice job: Garrett, Peppers and Njoku also picking up a 1st round pick in 2018. They still have number of picks and are s pretty young team. Their D line with Shelton, Garrett, Nassib and Ogbah is very good.
Plus they have Jamie Collins.
Next year get your QB by trading up if necessary.
Well done!
Plus, they really liked Trubisky this year. They FAILED to get him, even with all of their picks.
They got players, but you need a QB in this league.
I guess they could try to get one of the UFAs next year as well. SO they have options. We will see how this strategy works out for them in a few years.
Would them drafting a QB have made it a better night though? Wiser to stockpile more talent and wait for the QB you like instead of forcing it, IMV
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Would them drafting a QB have made it a better night though? Wiser to stockpile more talent and wait for the QB you like instead of forcing it, IMV
You need that franchise QB to vie seriously. Yes, there have been exceptions, but unless you build a 2000 Ravens D, you're not going anywhere, imo
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Would them drafting a QB have made it a better night though? Wiser to stockpile more talent and wait for the QB you like instead of forcing it, IMV
You need that franchise QB to vie seriously. Yes, there have been exceptions, but unless you build a 2000 Ravens D, you're not going anywhere, imo
Agreed, but why force a pick at QB just to try to fill the franchise QB role when you're not enamored with any of the QBs in the draft?
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Would them drafting a QB have made it a better night though? Wiser to stockpile more talent and wait for the QB you like instead of forcing it, IMV
You need that franchise QB to vie seriously. Yes, there have been exceptions, but unless you build a 2000 Ravens D, you're not going anywhere, imo
Agreed, but why force a pick at QB just to try to fill the franchise QB role when you're not enamored with any of the QBs in the draft?
Agree re forcing..I don't know anything about this QB crop to counter anything you say..They appear to be building something which is quite unusual for this franchise. Maybe they'll still go after Cousins?
And with 2 firsts and 2 seconds (already) in 2018, they should have plenty of ammo to move up for a QB if needed. And it's supposed to be a much better draft for QBs.
Plus, they really liked Trubisky this year. They FAILED to get him, even with all of their picks.
They got players, but you need a QB in this league.
I guess they could try to get one of the UFAs next year as well. SO they have options. We will see how this strategy works out for them in a few years.
Getting Trubisky would have been the Cleveland-of-old thing to do. With a rich QB draft next year, I like them not reaching for a QB and getting good players at other positions.
The Bears saw something.
Every year the Browns do "great in the draft", right after the draft, but continue to stink. Maybe this is the right approach, but they will need to tank this year.
They can compete with Taylor and then put together a nice package next year if need be in a top QB class.
They can compete with Taylor and then put together a nice package next year if need be in a top QB class.
Otoh, it's still Buffalo...😎
That's where they were the smartest. The skipped taking a second rate QB knowing they'll get a good shot at one of several,better QBs next year. And having the picks to trade up of they have a better year than most expect.
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That's where they were the smartest. The skipped taking a second rate QB knowing they'll get a good shot at one of several,better QBs next year. And having the picks to trade up of they have a better year than most expect.
You would know better than I re this QB crop..Again, they still might make a (strong?) play for Cousins, though, given Cousins can't be franchised again, they easily could lose him next year in FA if they can't work out a long term deal. Not a small dilemma for them
But, they bought really high on Collins, whom isn't a player worth the price.
The Bears saw something.
Every year the Browns do "great in the draft", right after the draft, but continue to stink. Maybe this is the right approach, but they will need to tank this year.
That is the point, they WON'T need to tank. They won't be great but they have 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks next year. They could trade them to get in the top 3 next year to get a franchise QB. They have a great OL and young receivers and have added Njoku who I think will be a very good TE. Both lines are strong and they are young. I also believe the coach is pretty safe.
They will be competitive and will have a chance at getting a QB better than any in this draft.
The Giants turned it around in one year. They went from arguably the worst defense in history to top 3 in the game. What you can't do is turn it around in 1 year without a franchise QB. So to clarify, you CAN turn it around in 1 year, but the Browns cant.
The Bears saw something.
Every year the Browns do "great in the draft", right after the draft, but continue to stink. Maybe this is the right approach, but they will need to tank this year.
The Bears gave up a haul to move up 1 spot! The Browns have to work the plan; which again I assume is leveraging their draft picks next year to get a good QB. To your point, they've picked high every year so these guys have to stick! The stat showing the numerous failed 2 first round picks over the past 10 years is downright awful!
Cleveland could of and should have had one. Now they wait 2 years PLUS time for development on who ever they pick next year.
Is Moneyball working in the NFL???
Plus, they really liked Trubisky this year. They FAILED to get him, even with all of their picks.
They got players, but you need a QB in this league.
I guess they could try to get one of the UFAs next year as well. SO they have options. We will see how this strategy works out for them in a few years.
How do you know they really liked trubisky?
But, they bought really high on Collins, whom isn't a player worth the price.
Collins isn't worth that price, but Cleveland has so much money it's basically irrelevant. Ditto the Osweiler move. They likely had to spend some money just to reach the required minimums.
I think Cleveland is headed in the right direction. Yes, they still need a QB, but they're not forcing a pick on someone they don't love and are building up the rest of the team with young talent to give the eventual QB a chance to succeed. They had 13 picks last year, 12 picks in 2015, and currently 10 picks this year. Plus, I believe 9 picks already for 2018. That's 44 picks over a 4 year span or essentially a full roster turnover.
And it looks like they've actually hit on some of those 2015/16 picks.
Shelton/Ogbah/Nassib/Garrett/Peppers plus Collins is a nice defensive core.
Coleman/Njoku give them some nice weapons and Erving, Zietler and Thomas (for now) give them a solid OL to protect the QB.
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But, the Browns really liked him and failed to get him.
The Bears saw something.
Every year the Browns do "great in the draft", right after the draft, but continue to stink. Maybe this is the right approach, but they will need to tank this year.
The Bears gave up a haul to move up 1 spot! The Browns have to work the plan; which again I assume is leveraging their draft picks next year to get a good QB. To your point, they've picked high every year so these guys have to stick! The stat showing the numerous failed 2 first round picks over the past 10 years is downright awful!
Agree, seeing the price SF paid to move 1 spot up, the price to move 10 spots would have been prohibitive.
I thought last night when they drafted Garret what he must be feeling fulfilling a lifelong dream making the NFL and being the #1 pick drafted by the Browns. Is it yeah!!! I made it! Oh fuck really the Browns?
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a bit of a gamble on Trubisky.
But, they bought really high on Collins, whom isn't a player worth the price.
Collins isn't worth that price, but Cleveland has so much money it's basically irrelevant. Ditto the Osweiler move. They likely had to spend some money just to reach the required minimums.
I think Cleveland is headed in the right direction. Yes, they still need a QB, but they're not forcing a pick on someone they don't love and are building up the rest of the team with young talent to give the eventual QB a chance to succeed. They had 13 picks last year, 12 picks in 2015, and currently 10 picks this year. Plus, I believe 9 picks already for 2018. That's 44 picks over a 4 year span or essentially a full roster turnover.
And it looks like they've actually hit on some of those 2015/16 picks.
Shelton/Ogbah/Nassib/Garrett/Peppers plus Collins is a nice defensive core.
Coleman/Njoku give them some nice weapons and Erving, Zietler and Thomas (for now) give them a solid OL to protect the QB.
I don't agree with the spending strategy. They've got a handful of prospects I really liked for NYG via the draft.
That's not true. The difference between winning and losing usually comes down a few plays. If they can find a way to get average QB play they can turn it around this year
I don't agree with the spending strategy. They've got a handful of prospects I really liked for NYG via the draft.
Normally I'd agree with you, but they have minimum amounts they are required to spend and what FA is really going to choose the Browns if two deals are close? And with them still having $62M+ in cap space it's not like it's going to hamper them going forward.
Granted, with a young team you can argue that Collins is the exact opposite of vets they should be bringing in as they need some strong leaders to help the young guys adjust.
I didn't like the trade down for next year's late first rounder. Felt like they moved around a lot and ended up lifting Houston out of QB hell in the process. Ask Houston, who got rid of a one QB disaster while adding the QB they wanted if the Browns had a good night. I think the BRowns did one good thing--they drafted Garrett. We'll see about the rest.
Don't blame them for not getting a QB last year or this year.
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That's not true. The difference between winning and losing usually comes down a few plays. If they can find a way to get average QB play they can turn it around this year
You're not winning anything in this league with average qb play. better to try for one of the qbs next year and truly turn this franchise around
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They should have taken Wentz last year.
Plus, they really liked Trubisky this year. They FAILED to get him, even with all of their picks.
They got players, but you need a QB in this league.
I guess they could try to get one of the UFAs next year as well. SO they have options. We will see how this strategy works out for them in a few years.
How do you know they really liked trubisky?
The fact that they almost passed on the best player in the draft for him. The fact they were working hard to come up to #2 to take him. Trubisky is very under rated on this site.
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Would them drafting a QB have made it a better night though? Wiser to stockpile more talent and wait for the QB you like instead of forcing it, IMV
You need that franchise QB to vie seriously. Yes, there have been exceptions, but unless you build a 2000 Ravens D, you're not going anywhere, imo
Agreed, but why force a pick at QB just to try to fill the franchise QB role when you're not enamored with any of the QBs in the draft?
Agree re forcing..I don't know anything about this QB crop to counter anything you say..They appear to be building something which is quite unusual for this franchise. Maybe they'll still go after Cousins?
I think Cleveland is positioning themselves to draft one of the elite level QB's coming out next season. Which is what smart franchises do.
Peppers = F
Njoku = B-
Kiper also not a fan of what they did.
Time will tell.