He is a great receiving TE with great speed. He is not a great blocker and I don't think he will be anytime soon. Anyone else think he might take Marshalls spot after 2 years?
They need a TE who can own the seams to break-up the cover-2 defense that teams have been using to slow down OBJ. Safeties aren't going to be able to sit back deep anymore if this guy plays the way we all hope.
As much as a TE. Obviously he's a bit of both but Sy described him as a top end speed receiver who weighs 237. Good enough for me whatever you call him.
Just because he's similar in stature doesn't mean he is going to backfill a guy at a different position.
One of the best traits Engram will offer is the ability to work the middle of the field, which in turn will open up the perimeter for the WRs. Additionally, Engram is versatile and can be used in multiple spots, not just lining up outside. Why would you want to take that away?
And if you look beyond the surface, while he may not be a devasting blocker a la Dan Campbell, it seems he can more than hold his own. But his calling card will be his positional versatility and creating mismatches, predominantly in the middle of the field, with a ripple effect that will benefit the outside WRs.
They need a TE who can own the seams to break-up the cover-2 defense that teams have been using to slow down OBJ. Safeties aren't going to be able to sit back deep anymore if this guy plays the way we all hope.
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I would agree, they can bring him along slowly, as I said
last night, more WR than a TE. I heard a comparison to
Mike Evans (with more speed obviously).
I think with Ellison here now, he's not going to be asked
to block TOO much as a rookie. For example, they can line
him up, about 5-10 yards off the LT or RT. They can have
him run some seam routes you mentioned. He has some speed
that can down the field. Mac will find a way to utilize him.
Engram, on paper, creates mismatches and moves all over the scheme. He gets bracket coverages off OB, gives them a red zone threat and target, and he's got a lot of versatility and upside. A ton to like, and being at Ole Miss they figure to know him well.
how many good receiving TE's in the NFL are great blockers?
We need this guy to be a sneaky blocker.....by that I mean, he is used mainly as a receiver.....and every once in awhile, we use him to block.....
Donnell and Tye....how many times did they whiff on blocks? I think this guy is going to surprise people with occasional blocks, because he is not expected to block on offense.....
Marshall and Engram will create nightmares for the defense in the Red Zone, and OBj/SS/Perkins may benefit the most from this......
We needed offensive weapons....That being said, I still would have taken Njoku ahead of Engram.......only time will tell if Reese took the right TE.....
1. Attacking the seam of the cover-2: Engram's speed/size down the middle could finally make Ds pay.
2. Formation predictability: with Engram and Ellison in the fold, we'll see a lot more 2 TE sets or even some formations with one of them lined up in the backfield with Perkins.
3. Moving the chains: Giants offense was horrible at sustaining drives last year and a weapon like Engram in the middle of the field should help drastically. Too often it was get the ball to Beckham or bust.
RE: The fixed mindset on some people is crazy to me.
In the slot mostly. Outside and definitely tight on the line. He is not big, but he gives it his all blocking.
At first I was ehhh because I wanted Foster sooo badly, but I'm excited and over the whole Foster thing. I know the Giants don't take players in the 1st with red flags. Engram over Njoku all day. I like the pick.
To be the TE to break up the cover 2 and he can do that. He is an average blocker who will improve.
I think some fans are caught up in his height and weight.
Engram was not brought in here to block. We're not a power running football team. They signed Ellison to help in the run game.
Engram is going to line up all over the place and they will try to exploit mismatches. Teams will now have to deal with Beckham, Marshall, Shephard, and Engram in passing situations. Teams can't defend us the way they did last year by sitting back in Cover 2.
I love this pick because I don't expect him to be a dominant blocker at TE. I'm sure he will be able to chip an end and go out on a route or help seal the edge at times, but he won't be asked to do that all the time.
If the Giants didn't have Ellison, than being concerned about his blocking ability would make sense to me.
and I am excited to have a weapon. I was just saying he is similar in size to Marshall with better hands. We could groom him to take his place eventually.
We are going to see ton more 4 wide looks with him in the line up. Marshall, Shepard, Engram, OBJ. Or even 3 wides with him as a sub for Shepard.
He is not going to be a blocking threat at TE, and that's just calling a spade, a spade.
I don't think its unrealistic that he could eventually play in the same receiver spot as Marshall, when he eventually leaves.
post Marshall. Do they still #2 Wr maybe maybe not in this drat (early) We still have potential in King and Lewis ... the pick is aggressive how do they replace Hankins CB and LB upgrade is the key but OL is more than likely the 2nd rd pick (I would not shocked to see a trade up there is about to be a run on OLs).
and I am excited to have a weapon. I was just saying he is similar in size to Marshall with better hands. We could groom him to take his place eventually.
We are going to see ton more 4 wide looks with him in the line up. Marshall, Shepard, Engram, OBJ. Or even 3 wides with him as a sub for Shepard.
He is not going to be a blocking threat at TE, and that's just calling a spade, a spade.
That depends on whom you ask him to block. Is he going to stone a 280-pound DE? Probably not. A 250-pound LB? Well, I watched him knock Ryan Anderson (253) on his butt at the Senior Bowl practices. A smaller DB? Absolutely.
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I don't think its unrealistic that he could eventually play in the same receiver spot as Marshall, when he eventually leaves.
To be the TE to break up the cover 2 and he can do that. He is an average blocker who will improve.
I think some fans are caught up in his height and weight.
Engram was not brought in here to block. We're not a power running football team. They signed Ellison to help in the run game.
Engram is going to line up all over the place and they will try to exploit mismatches. Teams will now have to deal with Beckham, Marshall, Shephard, and Engram in passing situations. Teams can't defend us the way they did last year by sitting back in Cover 2.
I love this pick because I don't expect him to be a dominant blocker at TE. I'm sure he will be able to chip an end and go out on a route or help seal the edge at times, but he won't be asked to do that all the time.
If the Giants didn't have Ellison, than being concerned about his blocking ability would make sense to me.
Guy runs a 4.4. He's a matchup nightmare.
Great pick!
Eddie thats what I hope he just becomes a good chipper with Ellison. From the reports his blocking against LBs and DBs is actually good ... just not against DLs
I think he will replace BM over the next year or 2.. there is nothing in his game that makes me think he is a TE.. He actually has measurables compared to Mike Evans.. it would kick ass if we could have him and OBJ on the 2 sides..
For next year I don't see them just having 4 pass catchers and Ellison out there.. It doesn't make sense.. Eli will get killed.. we need some resemblance of running threat on most plays.. and with that lineup.. it would be easy to simply put pressure on an immobile qb and force your cover guys to cover for 2 seconds.. Once in a while someone will make a big play but an offense can't sustain drives with this philosophy..
I like the pick.. he will complement OBJ real well and in the long term we need a big tall pass catcher like him.. but I don't understand how people think we put the 4 catchers out there and have Ellison in for block on the same play over next season..
OBJ, Shepherd, Marshall, Engram and Perkins/Vereen as a base package. Not the base, but one of many and not just limited to passing downs.
You have run and pass play called, one is selected at the line based on opposition personnel. In either case, you want to be in a spread out formation.
If opposition goes small, you run and have Marshall and Engram blocking DB's who they can completely eliminate. These guys are great blockers when not at a size disadvantage.
If opposition goes normal base personnel, good luck covering Engram with LB or most S.
Also with Engram/Ellison the no-huddle needs more emphasis. We should be able to get opposition into wrong personnel, and keep them in wrong personnel sometimes.
However he better block at an NFL level too. If he can, then he can be on the field for running plays too. Then he can do as Bob says above, which would be a huge upgrade. If he can't then he comes on situationally in passing situations, which also tips of the D on what is coming. So not only isn't our #1 pick on the field for 50% of the plays, but the D also gets an easier job.
However he better block at an NFL level too. If he can, then he can be on the field for running plays too. Then he can do as Bob says above, which would be a huge upgrade. If he can't then he comes on situationally in passing situations, which also tips of the D on what is coming. So not only isn't our #1 pick on the field for 50% of the plays, but the D also gets an easier job.
His blocking is so ridiculously nitpicked it's insane. He actually has been effective vs LB/DB
I guess some people expect this guy to run 4.4 and also roadgrade DTs in order to be a balanced TE
I was reading (I think in the Post) that he will be an excellent addition to the team but don't expect much from him this year. The column suggested "not enough footballs to go around." Now I get that to a degree but if they aren't going to use him then he is a wasted pick.
He has similar size and speed of Marshall so they could move him outside in a year or two especially if his blocking is not good but I would use him to chip for the running game or keep Eli upright and run down the seam.
I can see putting him in the slot in 11 formations.
He will eat into the time of Sheppard not OBJ or Marshall.
TE screens and HB routes he will be a major weapon.
I expect him to be used a lot like Aaron Hernandez was in NE - everywhere. Thrilled with this pick.
One of the best traits Engram will offer is the ability to work the middle of the field, which in turn will open up the perimeter for the WRs. Additionally, Engram is versatile and can be used in multiple spots, not just lining up outside. Why would you want to take that away?
And if you look beyond the surface, while he may not be a devasting blocker a la Dan Campbell, it seems he can more than hold his own. But his calling card will be his positional versatility and creating mismatches, predominantly in the middle of the field, with a ripple effect that will benefit the outside WRs.
I would agree, they can bring him along slowly, as I said
last night, more WR than a TE. I heard a comparison to
Mike Evans (with more speed obviously).
I think with Ellison here now, he's not going to be asked
to block TOO much as a rookie. For example, they can line
him up, about 5-10 yards off the LT or RT. They can have
him run some seam routes you mentioned. He has some speed
that can down the field. Mac will find a way to utilize him.
Engram vs. Texas A&M 2016
He's really an h back. He's not a non-factor in the blocking game though.
One example of what I envisioned.
Giants break the huddle with OBJ, Marshall, Perkins, Ellison, Engram.
Perkins + Engram in the I, OBJ wide on the weak side, Marshall on the strong side, but lines up not too wide.
That could be a pretty damn good power running formation.
And then Engram goes in motion out to the slot on the weak side. Defensive coordinator says "fuck".
Or Engram goes in motion out wide on the strong side, Marshall as slot. D.C. Says "fuck".
...he is, indeed, Marshall's replacement.
We drafted a wide receiver with the 23rd pick of the 2017 NFL Draft.
If you want to call him a "move-TE"... fine!
We need this guy to be a sneaky blocker.....by that I mean, he is used mainly as a receiver.....and every once in awhile, we use him to block.....
Donnell and Tye....how many times did they whiff on blocks? I think this guy is going to surprise people with occasional blocks, because he is not expected to block on offense.....
Marshall and Engram will create nightmares for the defense in the Red Zone, and OBj/SS/Perkins may benefit the most from this......
We needed offensive weapons....That being said, I still would have taken Njoku ahead of Engram.......only time will tell if Reese took the right TE.....
1. Attacking the seam of the cover-2: Engram's speed/size down the middle could finally make Ds pay.
2. Formation predictability: with Engram and Ellison in the fold, we'll see a lot more 2 TE sets or even some formations with one of them lined up in the backfield with Perkins.
3. Moving the chains: Giants offense was horrible at sustaining drives last year and a weapon like Engram in the middle of the field should help drastically. Too often it was get the ball to Beckham or bust.
[quote] The guy is a weapon. List him as W for weapon and forget what your opinion of what TE means. [/quote
This+1
At first I was ehhh because I wanted Foster sooo badly, but I'm excited and over the whole Foster thing. I know the Giants don't take players in the 1st with red flags. Engram over Njoku all day. I like the pick.
LET'S GO BOWSER!
I think some fans are caught up in his height and weight.
Engram was not brought in here to block. We're not a power running football team. They signed Ellison to help in the run game.
Engram is going to line up all over the place and they will try to exploit mismatches. Teams will now have to deal with Beckham, Marshall, Shephard, and Engram in passing situations. Teams can't defend us the way they did last year by sitting back in Cover 2.
I love this pick because I don't expect him to be a dominant blocker at TE. I'm sure he will be able to chip an end and go out on a route or help seal the edge at times, but he won't be asked to do that all the time.
If the Giants didn't have Ellison, than being concerned about his blocking ability would make sense to me.
Guy runs a 4.4. He's a matchup nightmare.
Great pick!
Just need an average offensive line and the defense to remain top 5. We good. Would very much like the Giants to ink Hank.
Just need an average offensive line and the defense to remain top 5. We good. Would very much like the Giants to ink Hank.
Hank?
Just need an average offensive line and the defense to remain top 5. We good. Would very much like the Giants to ink Hank.
Uhhh...http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/johnathan-hankins-12330/
We are going to see ton more 4 wide looks with him in the line up. Marshall, Shepard, Engram, OBJ. Or even 3 wides with him as a sub for Shepard.
He is not going to be a blocking threat at TE, and that's just calling a spade, a spade.
I don't think its unrealistic that he could eventually play in the same receiver spot as Marshall, when he eventually leaves.
We are going to see ton more 4 wide looks with him in the line up. Marshall, Shepard, Engram, OBJ. Or even 3 wides with him as a sub for Shepard.
He is not going to be a blocking threat at TE, and that's just calling a spade, a spade.
That depends on whom you ask him to block. Is he going to stone a 280-pound DE? Probably not. A 250-pound LB? Well, I watched him knock Ryan Anderson (253) on his butt at the Senior Bowl practices. A smaller DB? Absolutely.
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To be the TE to break up the cover 2 and he can do that. He is an average blocker who will improve.
I think some fans are caught up in his height and weight.
Engram was not brought in here to block. We're not a power running football team. They signed Ellison to help in the run game.
Engram is going to line up all over the place and they will try to exploit mismatches. Teams will now have to deal with Beckham, Marshall, Shephard, and Engram in passing situations. Teams can't defend us the way they did last year by sitting back in Cover 2.
I love this pick because I don't expect him to be a dominant blocker at TE. I'm sure he will be able to chip an end and go out on a route or help seal the edge at times, but he won't be asked to do that all the time.
If the Giants didn't have Ellison, than being concerned about his blocking ability would make sense to me.
Guy runs a 4.4. He's a matchup nightmare.
Great pick!
Eddie thats what I hope he just becomes a good chipper with Ellison. From the reports his blocking against LBs and DBs is actually good ... just not against DLs
I honestly have no idea how defenses would match up against this [successfully]
For next year I don't see them just having 4 pass catchers and Ellison out there.. It doesn't make sense.. Eli will get killed.. we need some resemblance of running threat on most plays.. and with that lineup.. it would be easy to simply put pressure on an immobile qb and force your cover guys to cover for 2 seconds.. Once in a while someone will make a big play but an offense can't sustain drives with this philosophy..
I like the pick.. he will complement OBJ real well and in the long term we need a big tall pass catcher like him.. but I don't understand how people think we put the 4 catchers out there and have Ellison in for block on the same play over next season..
I'm still happy with the pick and this will surely open up the running game and passing game.
You have run and pass play called, one is selected at the line based on opposition personnel. In either case, you want to be in a spread out formation.
If opposition goes small, you run and have Marshall and Engram blocking DB's who they can completely eliminate. These guys are great blockers when not at a size disadvantage.
If opposition goes normal base personnel, good luck covering Engram with LB or most S.
Also with Engram/Ellison the no-huddle needs more emphasis. We should be able to get opposition into wrong personnel, and keep them in wrong personnel sometimes.
Point.
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Two.
But I bet he isn't as good at somersaulting after he gets hit
His blocking is so ridiculously nitpicked it's insane. He actually has been effective vs LB/DB
I guess some people expect this guy to run 4.4 and also roadgrade DTs in order to be a balanced TE
He has similar size and speed of Marshall so they could move him outside in a year or two especially if his blocking is not good but I would use him to chip for the running game or keep Eli upright and run down the seam.
He will eat into the time of Sheppard not OBJ or Marshall.
TE screens and HB routes he will be a major weapon.