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Thoughts on personnel groupings on offense

SLIM_ : 4/28/2017 10:19 am
One of the writers who didn't like the pick made the point of taking Sheppard off the field in place of Engram. I don't view that as a bad thing as while I have high hopes for Sheppard, I don't think he has proven that he should play in the high 90% of snaps. Of course there will always be injuries to but here is my thoughts on groupings with some rough guesses of percentages.

Base 1-1 Beckham,Marshall,Sheppard,Ellison,Perkins -40%
Pass 1-1 Beckham,Marshall,Sheppard,Engram,Vereen -25%
2-1 Beckham,Marshall,Ellison,Engram,Perkins -25%

Yes. I know this comes out to 90%. I want to completely get away from last year's debacle and throw a lot of variation at teams so 10% may come from game plan specific packages using some of our other players. I still think Adams has some value and I could see him and Ellison together, I would like to see a 4th receiver have a ton of speed and slip him in in place of Sheppard and even Marshall some downs.

Anybody have any other thoughts on percentages?




Double TE set  
averagejoe : 4/28/2017 10:29 am : link
With Marshall, Beckham, and Engram works for me. A matchup nightmare for DC.
See my post  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/28/2017 10:29 am : link
in Engram, TE for now.
I have a couple of points about your 11s 'pass' package:  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/28/2017 10:43 am : link
1)It's notable that Ellison, whom many see as Eli's bodyguard, isn't even on the field in obvious passing situations. And I think you're probably right about the personnel. In that package, the offensive linemen have to do the job they're paid to do - usually without a lot of help.
2) 25% seems like a low snap percentage for Shane Vereen - at least until he gets hurt. But I guess if the offense clicks, the third-down back plays less.
We could go 4 wide  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/28/2017 11:13 am : link
with Shepard, and OBJ in the slot as well.
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idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 11:15 am : link
Becks....EE......(line)Ellison...........Marshal

................Manning.......................
......................Perkins............



outside zone runs often both sides,
wheel routes,
pass to RB often,
(but all must develop very quickly, so)
toss right to perkins,
left outside zone perkins then
play action manning right off that...pass to EE.
more under center play


experiment with Shep in backfield especially in case perkins gets injured
This signals to the D that every time Engram is in we are throwing  
PatersonPlank : 4/28/2017 11:27 am : link
Thats just as predictable. In sure passing situations I'd go 4 wide with Ellison in the backfield for extra blocking (plus he can catch swing passes). However, since EE is a Rd 1 pick, I expect him to block and be in there on running plays too. He needs to be a full time player
You drafted a player in the first round, a huge investment, he gets  
SterlingArcher : 4/28/2017 11:29 am : link
on the field immediately or you wasted the pick!
PP, no  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 11:32 am : link
the idea with Engram and Ellison is outside zone runs. your big slot and in line TE do run blocking on those.

you do need half decent movement from your OTs tho-
the 2-1  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 11:33 am : link
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RE: I have a couple of points about your 11s 'pass' package:  
giants#1 : 4/28/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13448321 Big Blue Blogger said:
Quote:
1)It's notable that Ellison, whom many see as Eli's bodyguard, isn't even on the field in obvious passing situations. And I think you're probably right about the personnel. In that package, the offensive linemen have to do the job they're paid to do - usually without a lot of help.
2) 25% seems like a low snap percentage for Shane Vereen - at least until he gets hurt. But I guess if the offense clicks, the third-down back plays less.


Vereen will get snaps in the 'base'. A healthy Vereen probably gets 10-12 touches/game and he's solid at picking up the blitz too.

In addition to the above, we'll probably see some 21 sets with SS/Beckham as the 2 WRs.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see a few 3 TE sets (or 22 sets if they get/keep a FB) thrown in per game.
RE: This signals to the D that every time Engram is in we are throwing  
giants#1 : 4/28/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13448466 PatersonPlank said:
Quote:
Thats just as predictable. In sure passing situations I'd go 4 wide with Ellison in the backfield for extra blocking (plus he can catch swing passes). However, since EE is a Rd 1 pick, I expect him to block and be in there on running plays too. He needs to be a full time player


Not really. Even with the above breakdowns, Engram is out there for 25% of the snaps as part of a 21 package. At most, they'd probably have a 40-60 run-pass split from that grouping and probably closer to 50-50.

Personally, even with BM/SS/OBJ, I think we might see this grouping become our 'base' package as it really takes advantage of the mismatches Engram creates. If the D matches it with their base (43 or 34), then you'll see Eli audibling a lot to a pass with a LB matched up on Engram. If the D goes to a nickel to try and get a better cover guy out there on Engram, then Eli will gladly switch it up and run.
2nd look  
SLIM_ : 4/28/2017 12:11 pm : link
Probably split up a 2-1 look and some of 1-1 to get Vereen 10% more carries. That gets Perkins down to 55% and Vereen up to 35%. Throw in the remaining 10% for Perrine :)

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