According to Keith Schlosser of SNY's The Knicks Blog, Washington Wizards forward Otto Porter could be among the restricted free agents New York pursues when the signing period opens this coming summer.
One potential target is Washington's Otto Porter, who averaged 13.4 points on 51.6 percent shooting to go with 6.4 rebounds, all career-highs, and 1.5 assists in 80 games this season. Porter also showed his ability to shoot from long range by going 43.4 percent from the three-point line, another career-best.
Many believe Porter, who is a restricted free agent, will sign a max contract this summer, which could be worth up to $128.2 million over five years.
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Porter has his best season of his young career this season and he's a nice player. IMO he's an above average role player. A lot of teams could do a lot worse than him as a starting SF, but he's probably not worth a max contract.
Not sure he'd take our $$ over another team, but there is a reasonable chance WASH doesnt pony up long term for Porter after extending Beal and needing to pay Wall.
Give them Melo. Expensive, but short term.
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as there is a good shot based on that that both NY teams could extend max offers.
Maybe Larry didnt want to start from scratch. New guy trades PG and rebuilds around Turner and the LA pick+
as there is a good shot based on that that both NY teams could extend max offers.
Not really...
Non-star players will always listen when max offer sheets are on the table. It's always been that way.
Kanter, Crabbe, Parsons. Nothing new.
I think Washington matches regardless. They'll easily find a trade partner if they don't want Porter on the books.
Given the small rosters, the importance of high picks, and the fact that the best players have such an overwhelming impact (more important than great depth), I think the NBA is the hardest league to succeed in. A great GM with a great plan still doesnt have a good shot at winning a title.
To paraphrase Jalen Rose, it's never about how much you're worth, it's about how much leverage you have in negotiations.
Nope. It's the NBA. Good players that come free get max deals. It isn't right. It just is. If there's an easier way to turn things around I am all ears.
Do you know what a max deal is?
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Indiana is one of many teams that has made a lot of good decisions but remains in no man's land on the NBA landscape. The league is very unforgiving.
Given the small rosters, the importance of high picks, and the fact that the best players have such an overwhelming impact (more important than great depth), I think the NBA is the hardest league to succeed in. A great GM with a great plan still doesnt have a good shot at winning a title.
Cannot be stressed enough. If I were to own a team I'd choose Daryl Morey to be my GM. His title outlook looks bleak, doesn't take away from his management abilities.
But people think max and say "well top 10 players get max deals and Porter isnt a top 10 player so he cant be worth the max". It's just a bad way to think about these things.
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Is worthy of a max deal! Is this a joke.
Nope. It's the NBA. Good players that come free get max deals. It isn't right. It just is. If there's an easier way to turn things around I am all ears.
The market always corrects itself. It's Darwinism at play. When you pay Crabbe, Turner and all you 8th,9th and 10th men a combined $80M you are taking yourself out of the gene pool for a long time.
Even without Hinkie I think the Sixers are showing a good example of this. Is Noel a good player that will get maxed? Certainly. But that doesn't mean you always give it to them. You wait around to give the right players the right amount of money and deal everyone else off for another team to convince themselves it is the right idea.
But people think max and say "well top 10 players get max deals and Porter isnt a top 10 player so he cant be worth the max". It's just a bad way to think about these things.
I'm tired of paying non-elite players lots of money. And while this isn't as much money as it used to be (in relation to the cap), it's still too much for me to give Porter.
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People befuddled by this concept likely dont get that there are three different max levels. Porter's max is going to be ~26 million. A 10 year vet's max is going to be ~36 million.
But people think max and say "well top 10 players get max deals and Porter isnt a top 10 player so he cant be worth the max". It's just a bad way to think about these things.
I'm tired of paying non-elite players lots of money. And while this isn't as much money as it used to be (in relation to the cap), it's still too much for me to give Porter.
Respectfully, your exhaustion is irrelevant. Knicks have never signed a player like Porter -- a guy with 4 years experience.
Look, the elite players dont want our money. I'd love to max Durant. He didnt want to meet with us. One way to draw in the elite talent is to be better. Porter is a guy who makes you better. He's one of those guys without a big hole in his game. Statistically, he was fantastic this season. You get KP, Porter, Willy, and the draft pick going and suddenly in ~2 years, an elite player will be interested. Or Porter can be part of a package for an elite player (because he'll be in his prime).
Im not jumping for joy over paying Porter $26 million. But to draw a parallel with past signings like Noah, it's nonsense. What other contracts are you thinking about? TC (good contract)? Amare? Melo?
In a vacuum, most certainly. But I'd imagine it would be easy to use Portland's cap situation against them in a trade scenario. Could probably pry Crabbe with an expiring and a 2nd round pick if it came down to it.
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in a heartbeat. Turner no.
In a vacuum, most certainly. But I'd imagine it would be easy to use Portland's cap situation against them in a trade scenario. Could probably pry Crabbe with an expiring and a 2nd round pick if it came down to it.
I dont think so. They'd call someone else. Most of the league is guard starved. Knicks would easily give up at least one of their #2s (prob both) without sending salary back. If not us, the Nets. Certainly the Sixers would. Kings, Pacers, and others would be in on a trade. You couldnt rob POR of Crabbee.
this is sort of true. Under an NFL style cap, guys like LeBron would be paid $50 to $60 million a year. The max salary system cuts that in half...so that leftover money has to go somewhere. And there's not enough franchise players and all stars to go around for each team.
Respectfully, your exhaustion is irrelevant. Knicks have never signed a player like Porter -- a guy with 4 years experience.
Look, the elite players dont want our money. I'd love to max Durant. He didnt want to meet with us. One way to draw in the elite talent is to be better. Porter is a guy who makes you better. He's one of those guys without a big hole in his game. Statistically, he was fantastic this season. You get KP, Porter, Willy, and the draft pick going and suddenly in ~2 years, an elite player will be interested. Or Porter can be part of a package for an elite player (because he'll be in his prime).
Im not jumping for joy over paying Porter $26 million. But to draw a parallel with past signings like Noah, it's nonsense. What other contracts are you thinking about? TC (good contract)? Amare? Melo?
My vision for this team is pure player development of KP, Willy, this lottery pick, and the next lottery pick. How does Otto Porter change this in any way? He had a good season and has gradually improved as a pro. He's still young. I'm not saying the guy is garbage, but I just have no interest with the team in it's current state in adding a non-elite player at that price. Next year, I might totally change my mind after seeing what the lottery pick looks like and seeing KP's progression.
It's more about where the franchise is than this specific player.
It's true, no one is coming to see Porter play. And as Enzo mentioned, the cap on star salaries pushes other salaries higher.
However, again, it is worth pointing out that getting hot under the collar about Porter being "a max player" ignores the fact that as a 4 year pro, his max is $10 million per year less than a 10 year pro.
You know who else is a max player? Porzingis. He has the max contract allowed to him under the CBA.
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Respectfully, your exhaustion is irrelevant. Knicks have never signed a player like Porter -- a guy with 4 years experience.
Look, the elite players dont want our money. I'd love to max Durant. He didnt want to meet with us. One way to draw in the elite talent is to be better. Porter is a guy who makes you better. He's one of those guys without a big hole in his game. Statistically, he was fantastic this season. You get KP, Porter, Willy, and the draft pick going and suddenly in ~2 years, an elite player will be interested. Or Porter can be part of a package for an elite player (because he'll be in his prime).
Im not jumping for joy over paying Porter $26 million. But to draw a parallel with past signings like Noah, it's nonsense. What other contracts are you thinking about? TC (good contract)? Amare? Melo?
My vision for this team is pure player development of KP, Willy, this lottery pick, and the next lottery pick. How does Otto Porter change this in any way? He had a good season and has gradually improved as a pro. He's still young. I'm not saying the guy is garbage, but I just have no interest with the team in it's current state in adding a non-elite player at that price. Next year, I might totally change my mind after seeing what the lottery pick looks like and seeing KP's progression.
It's more about where the franchise is than this specific player.
It's not crazy. Flipside is that there is a lot to be said for surrounding the kids with a young 2 way very effective SF. It will probably help with the progress. If you strip off Melo and Rose, it will put an awful lot on KP.
If there were 5 players under 25 I could root for I'd certainly buy a ticket. I'd welcome Porter with open Arms.
Don't know how giving Holiday $30M a year isn't outrageous but giving Porter $25M is.