Was just listening to NFL network and they were discussing the cowboys pick. Apparently the cowboys didn't have a first round grade on Taco but decided to go with him anyway.
According to the reporter, the Cowboys had 18 players with a first round grade and by the time they got to their pick, 1 was left. They decided to pass on the one player left (didn't say who it was) and take Taco instead.
Was this a Jerry Jones pick instead of Stephen?
Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't take Dalvin Cook or Reuben Foster despite being quite loaded at both RB and LB.
Where they might've 'reached' is in taking (likely) the top pass rusher on their board over some higher rated players. Doubt they had Watt (or Bowser) rated above Taco since both of those guys can get after the QB which is arguably their biggest need.
Who says the DBs remaining were rated that much higher by the Cowboys? There were a ton of CB/S taken in the first yesterday. And DE/pass rusher is easily as big a need as secondary help for them.
It's quite possible the 1 guy they had remaining with a 1st round grade was Dalvin Cook and there's a pretty obvious reason why they would pass on him.
Take the guy you want if you are concerned he won't be there later. This is not that big of a deal.
Also they may have just put this out there to motivate him..
I am just worried about our OL after 2 of the best DL players in Allen and Barnett went to the shegles and Skins..
How would they weigh someone to have a first round grade if he's left and they don't see value in picking him? Position would seem to be a major aspect of rating a player...
I am just worried about our OL after 2 of the best DL players in Allen and Barnett went to the shegles and Skins..
I'm very worried about our o-line even before those great defensive picks.
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Could have been someone like Cook, Kizer, or Webb and they didn't want to take him with having Zeke and Prescott from last year
How would they weigh someone to have a first round grade if he's left and they don't see value in picking him? Position would seem to be a major aspect of rating a player...
In theory yes, but every team has their own way of assembling a draft board. A team may just arrange boards based on talent level and then have a code for either major position need or lack thereof just as teams have character and injury flags. So the last player with Round 1 talent all else being equal is flagged for lack of necessity at position, injury, and/or character, but a top Round 2 talent has a flag for position need they go with the latter player.
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In comment 13448759 Mike in NY said:
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Could have been someone like Cook, Kizer, or Webb and they didn't want to take him with having Zeke and Prescott from last year
How would they weigh someone to have a first round grade if he's left and they don't see value in picking him? Position would seem to be a major aspect of rating a player...
In theory yes, but every team has their own way of assembling a draft board. A team may just arrange boards based on talent level and then have a code for either major position need or lack thereof just as teams have character and injury flags. So the last player with Round 1 talent all else being equal is flagged for lack of necessity at position, injury, and/or character, but a top Round 2 talent has a flag for position need they go with the latter player.
That would the ideal situation for Dallas now, which seems to be what everyone is assuming. But, maybe they grade players in a way that - with Elliot already on the team - they had no first round grades on RB, for example. That wouldn't be a crazy way of doing things.
This is a bad look either way. And reaching for a guy whose knocks have been mental/effort marks for team that has a line full of guys like that already...
Yeah! It's not like the Cowboys or the Eagles ever drafted any top-tier pass-rushers before! It has to be a slap in the face to our Front Office! The sneaky little rat bastards!
Its not a stretch at all.
Ps...I hate the Cowboys!
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reaching for pass rush DE's high is a direct 'fuck you' to our front office within the subject of our tackle play, and overall design of our O.
Yeah! It's not like the Cowboys or the Eagles ever drafted any top-tier pass-rushers before! It has to be a slap in the face to our Front Office! The sneaky little rat bastards!
Stop trying to reason with someone who will find a reason to dislike anything the Front Office does. With hindsight it is easy to know that Lamp, Robinson, etc. are still there at the start of Day 2. On Draft Day, there is no way you can know for sure. What I do know, from reputable posters, is that Engram and Peppers were the two highest rated players on the Giants' board at 23. The logical trading partner in a trade down would have been Atlanta (because New Orleans was tied heavily to Engram). Based on what Atlanta, Cleveland, and likely Pittsburgh did or were rumored to be targeting, there is a good chance that Engram and Peppers would have both been taken before Pick 31. If we had a significant drop after Engram and Peppers (see Dallas comment about having 1 player with first round grade at Pick 28), I could see why you don't take that risk even if you net additional pick(s) if they are not of enough value to make up the difference based on how you think draft will play out.
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Could have been someone like Cook, Kizer, or Webb and they didn't want to take him with having Zeke and Prescott from last year
How would they weigh someone to have a first round grade if he's left and they don't see value in picking him? Position would seem to be a major aspect of rating a player...
Probably give each player an overall grade, but then when they are on the clock they consider the grades + their needs, which is probably what most teams do.
Using Sy as an example, he considers 80+ a "1st round grade". So they could've had Foster graded an 82 and Taco a 78 and felt the slight difference in grades didn't outweigh the need that Taco addressed.
This exactly... It was Foster, but shoulder is messed up and off field stuff not worth the risk. Would have sucked for Washington to get Allen widely regarded as a top 5 pick and Dallas to get Foster widely regarded as a top 15 pick.
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and Reuben Foster was the only one left. They decided to pass on him. Thank goodness.
This exactly... It was Foster, but shoulder is messed up and off field stuff not worth the risk. Would have sucked for Washington to get Allen widely regarded as a top 5 pick and Dallas to get Foster widely regarded as a top 15 pick.
Jaylon Smith, Sean Lee, and Reuben Foster would be something else...
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In comment 13448775 Csonka said:
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and Reuben Foster was the only one left. They decided to pass on him. Thank goodness.
This exactly... It was Foster, but shoulder is messed up and off field stuff not worth the risk. Would have sucked for Washington to get Allen widely regarded as a top 5 pick and Dallas to get Foster widely regarded as a top 15 pick.
Jaylon Smith, Sean Lee, and Reuben Foster would be something else...
Something else as in all world talent or something else as in all injured talent! for the 4 games they were healthy they would be deadly!
Jaylon Smith, Sean Lee, and Reuben Foster would be something else...
For the 2 games they'd actually play together...
Wouldn't be surprised if Smith's injury issues are partly the reason they "shied" away from taking Foster.
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In comment 13448838 idiotsavant said:
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reaching for pass rush DE's high is a direct 'fuck you' to our front office within the subject of our tackle play, and overall design of our O.
Yeah! It's not like the Cowboys or the Eagles ever drafted any top-tier pass-rushers before! It has to be a slap in the face to our Front Office! The sneaky little rat bastards!
Stop trying to reason with someone who will find a reason to dislike anything the Front Office does. With hindsight it is easy to know that Lamp, Robinson, etc. are still there at the start of Day 2. On Draft Day, there is no way you can know for sure. What I do know, from reputable posters, is that Engram and Peppers were the two highest rated players on the Giants' board at 23. The logical trading partner in a trade down would have been Atlanta (because New Orleans was tied heavily to Engram). Based on what Atlanta, Cleveland, and likely Pittsburgh did or were rumored to be targeting, there is a good chance that Engram and Peppers would have both been taken before Pick 31. If we had a significant drop after Engram and Peppers (see Dallas comment about having 1 player with first round grade at Pick 28), I could see why you don't take that risk even if you net additional pick(s) if they are not of enough value to make up the difference based on how you think draft will play out.
Good stuff. Seems logical not to trade back if that was the case. Peppers comes as sort of a surprise considering the diluted sample. I'd much rather have Engram at this point because I think Peppers came with some question marks. Engram you know what you are getting.
Sounds about right. I thought that last year they should have gone defense with their #4 pick.