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FROM DAVE TE-DETAILED EVAN ENGRAM SCOUTING REPORT

nflscouting : 4/28/2017 1:04 pm
For those that took me up on my offer for draft day profiles, check your email box.
Evan Engram full scouting report was just send.
For those that did not, the BBI moderators will put it up on the site shortly.
note-this is my organization's full scouting report on Engram. His entire packet, with game film breakdowns, charts, etc, checked in at 113 pages, so lots of homework was done on him. The scouting report provides details in sixteen different categories, lists his top games, his year by year performances and a NFL player comparison
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Thanks, Mr. Dave Te.
Dave, you rock.  
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Thank you so much for all the effort you put into your craft and giving us the privilege of reading your analyses.
Thanks Dave  
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Incredible work!!!
FROM DAVE TE-EVAN ENGRAM REPORT  
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RE: FROM DAVE TE-EVAN ENGRAM REPORT  
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In comment 13448819 nflscouting said:
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DAVE TE'S REPORT ON EVAN ENGRAM  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 1:25 pm : link
Player School Jersey Year Entered Test
ENGRAM, Evan Mississippi 17 2013 21
Height Weight Birth date College Position
6:03.1 234 9/02/94 H-Back/Y Receiver
Pro Position
H-Back/Slot/Motion TE
Bench Press Squat Power Clean Vertical Jump
225X19 n/a n/a 36”
Broad jump
10’04”
Time (10) Time (20) Time (40) 20-Yd Sh
1.49 2.52 4.42 4.23
Three-Cone
6.92
Arms Wingspan Hands Grade One Grade Two
33 ½” 79 1/8” 10” 7.43 8.10

2016 Best Games Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, Memphis, Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia Southern, Vanderbilt
2016 Worst Games Louisiana State, Mississippi State (Undisclosed injury)
2015 Best Games Texas A&M, Louisiana State, Oklahoma State
2015 Worst Games Alabama, New Mexico State
2014 Best Games Vanderbilt, Auburn, Arkansas, Mississippi State
2014 Worst Games Texas A&M, Texas Christian

Body Structure Engram is built more like a motion-type H-Back than as a traditional tight end, but he has a well-developed frame that can carry more bulk without it impacting his impressive quickness. He has excellent arm length for a player his size, along with being a natural hands catcher with good-sized “mitts.” He shows good chest and shoulder muscle structure with a firm, defined midsection, good bubble, strong hips and tapered thighs and calves.

General Report 8.32
Athletic Ability 8.2 Engram has that rare timed speed that makes cornerbacks and safeties accountable for him when he gets into the deep part of the secondary. He has a good second gear that is generally explosive, as he builds his acceleration nicely and with his loose hips, he can generate elusive moves to escape the initial tackler. He is stronger than his frame looks, but will have to continue his power development in the weight room before entering the NFL. He shows outstanding balance and body control, showing marked improvement making the sideline grabs (more conscious of boundaries) in 2016. The thing you see on film is his ability to adjust and contort his body to get to the off-target throws. He is very flexible weaving in and out of traffic and is a fluid-moving athlete in the open areas, easily getting behind coverage to get into the deep zones (see 2016 Florida State, Alabama, Georgia Southern games). He shows the ability to build acceleration nicely throughout the route’s progression and while not overpowering as an in-line blocker, he has enough strength to face up to second level defenders and a strong punch to invert edge rushers in pass protection. You can see his track experience in the way he moves off the snap, showing good urgency to get in his routes and proper hand usage to defeat the jam. He comes off the ball with above average athletic ability and acceleration, quickly getting into his patterns. He plays with good urgency and has the second gear needed to elude in the open. His ability to elude and not be rerouted by defenders makes him a player that needs to be always accounted for when he is on the field.

Football Sense 8.0 Engram has shown very good field vision and patience, doing a nice job of settling into the soft areas when working in the slot and going underneath. He is a bright kid with good academic standings. He has no problems “learning on the fly” and needs just minimal reps to retain plays. He understands defensive coverage and is alert to edge rushers and backside pressure when protecting the pocket. He is also a highly effective open field blocker, doing a nice job of locating and stalking second level defenders when asked to support the running game. He has a good understanding of concepts and has no problem dealing with game-time adjustments.

Character 8.5 Engram has really taken to the program at Ole Miss and is regarded as a leader by example type. He is not one that likes to draw attention to himself and you can he handles his captaincy and leadership responsibilities well, having shown solid maturing process since arriving on campus. He has no known off-field issues and is regarded highly for his work ethic and manners, according to the coaches.

Competitiveness 8.3 Engram has that blue-collar work ethic. What other elite tight end do you know that relishes his role on special teams like him? He plays with good aggression and while he lacks the brute strength to overpower defensive linemen as an in-line blocker, he will not hesitate to face up and sacrifice himself at all costs to protect the quarterback or to make that big second level hit to spring a ball carrier (see 2016 Memphis, Arkansas, Georgia Southern games). He loves to compete for the ball in a crowd and he is the type of athlete who plays and practices with the same urgency. He’s just that solid all-around effort type that plays until the whistle. He is the type that will play with pain and even when injured, coaches have to “hide his helmet” (see 2013 season when he played with an ankle injury that required off-season surgery) to insure he won’t sneak back on the field.

Work Habits 8.6 In 2016, Engram took it upon himself to learn assignments at each of the receiver positions and the result was his emergence as the top pass catching tight end in college. He gives total effort in games and practices, displaying the work ethic the coaches hope the younger recruits would emulate. He is a leader by example, but would not hesitate to get after others if they are not performing up to their expected levels. He’s not going to win weight room awards, but he is a willing training room participant and spends the extra hours in the film room for game preparations. He takes pride in his special team coverage ability and is a classic team player.

Athletic Report 8.05
Release 8.3 Engram is sudden in his release off the line and can easily get behind a second level defender. His size poses issues for cornerbacks and he has the quickness to gobble up the cushion and come out of his breaks cleanly. He might not be the strongest tight end around, but he shows good hand placement and a surprising punch, along with a pretty nifty swim move to get a clean release attempting to get into his route. When linebackers try to push him off the route, he has the loose hips to sidestep and avoid contact on the move. With his smooth release, he gets into his running stride quickly and is savvy enough to know when he has to swim over or fight through the jam.

Acceleration 8.8 Engram has the quick feet and cat-quick moves to eat up the cushion and get behind coverage in an instant. He might not be as explosive when multiple blockers try to attack him off the line, but he covers ground quickly and is much like a wide receiver with his ability to stretch and threaten the deep seam. On short patterns, he has that natural feel for knowing when to adjust to uncover and shows very quick ball reaction skills looking the pass in over his shoulder without having to break stride. He has the vision to watch the ball into his hands and with his vertical speed (4.42 in the 40-yard dash), he forces teams to align a cornerback on him when attacking the deep areas (see 2016 Florida State, Alabama, Memphis, Vanderbilt games). Especially vs. Cover-2 defenses, he has the ability to get down the seam and make things happen in the open field. He flashes fluid moves and the burst to separate and adjust to the ball in flight and is more than capable of making the initial tackler miss with his array of moves. His speed needs to be accounted for by the defense at all times, as he is a threat to affect and stretch the coverage. In the short area, he is an inviting target due to his above lateral agility.

Quickness 8.4 Engram possesses above average quickness in his hands, feet and body (heavy track experience is the reason for his great flexibility). He has that sudden movement off the snap that forces second level defenders to leave their backpedal too early and flashes that snap quickness to even gain initial advantage vs. cornerbacks. He flashes the ability to defeat the jam with his feet and maintains his acceleration throughout the routes. He shows suddenness coming off the snap and getting into his routes. He also displays urgency to gain advantage when blocking on the edge or when cut blocking in the second level (good concept for taking angles).

Route Running 7.8 Engram has really worked hard at refining and sharpening his cuts out of his breaks. He no longer takes extra steps and shows very good awareness to coverage, as he can consistently get open vs. man coverage, even initially vs. a speedy cornerback. He is very alert to schemes and does a nice job of finding holes and soft areas when challenging the zone. I really like his body control and timing, as he has that crisp plant-&-drive agility to make the initial tackler miss. He has developed good sticks-&-boundaries awareness and has worked hard to improve his footwork to remain in bounds hugging the sidelines. He is a very disciplined route runner (no drift or false steps in his route progression), doing a text-book job of finding his marks, breaking and getting his head turned around on time (see 2016 Florida State, Alabama, Arkansas, Vanderbilt games). He has the ability to isolate the linebackers and safeties and shows the second gear needed to elude in the open. He has a very quick second gear to elude after the catch and does an excellent job finding the small crease when working in traffic.

Separation Ability 8.2 Bigger defenders might try to overpower Engram coming off the snap, but he has those cat-like moves and vastly improved footwork to defeat the jam. He won’t try to go one-on-one vs. the press coverage, but has the slippery moves to escape and get a quick outside release. He runs with good forward body lean and his ability to fluidly apply his weight transfer allows him to instantly snap off his breaks and separate, especially when utilized on flag and drag routes (see 2016 Florida State, Alabama, Auburn games). He has above average ability to uncover with awareness. The thing you see on film is his ability to make sharp cuts underneath or accelerate to get open immediately on deep routes. He also uses his body very well to shield defenders from the ball.

Ball Concentration 8.0 Engram will sacrifice his body with no hesitation, if it means he has even the slightest of a chance to get to the ball. He does a nice job of extending for the ball away from his frame and reaching and plucking it at its high point. He might lack brute strength, but he is a physical receiver who will not hesitate to fight the defender for the ball, especially when working in traffic. He has no fear of going inside to make those catches and will assert himself after the catch to break arm tackles. He has very good focus looking the ball in over his outside shoulder and I dispute the report of some scouts that say he can drop the easy passes (just three drops vs. 95 passes targeted to him).

Ball Adjustment 7.9 Engram has a bit of contortionist blood running through his veins, as he is very good at pleasing the fans with acrobatic catches. Whether at half speed or full stride, he has the flexibility to reach low or behind while making adjustments to get to the pass. He has that natural athletic ability to get to off-target throws or make the tough catch in a crowd. He is also very effective at tracking the ball on deep routes. With his athletic ability, burst and body control, he has made those his assets that are easily noticed thanks to his excellent ball adjustment skills. He just does a very nice job of reading the flight of the ball and making adjustments to it. He has above average body control and enough vertical ability to get to the pass at its high point. Most of his RAC comes when he catches the ball in stride, as he has that sudden burst to elude and get open quickly.

Leaping Ability 8.1 Engram has the natural leaping skills to high point the pass, along with very impressive timing. He is a really a super-quick leaper and when he has time to plant and jump, he can extend and reach for the ball away from his frame. He can generate the same burst after the catch when he has to go up for the ball as he does when he catches it in stride, but he has shown excellent ability (see 2016 Alabama and Vanderbilt games) that he can get to the ball at its highest point. In 2016 fall camp and throughout his final season, he displayed the ability to suddenly turn and run with the ball after the catch, thanks largely to his above average balance.

Hands 7.9 Engram is a natural hands catcher with good-sized “mitts” (10-inches). He has the smoothness to pluck the ball away from his frame and makes a concentrated effort to catch the ball with his hands, rather than let it absorb into his body. He shows good touch and flashes the ability to snatch the pass, even with defenders draped on him (see 2016 Florida State, Auburn and Memphis games). He secures the ball on contact and it is very rare to see him “bread basket” (leave it exposed), as he makes a conscious effort to keep it away from the defender (good ball distribution).

Run After the Catch 7.8 Engram is not going to simply run over defenders after the catch, especially level-one and level-two types, but he will show good leg drive and forward body lean to pick up extra yards when securing the ball in a crowd. He has the strength to run through arm tackles and take on safeties and cornerbacks, but without the ideal tight end’s bulk, he relies more on his escape skills to avoid linebackers on the move. Once in the open field, he is very elusive and has the speed to put on the afterburners and take the ball to the house. He will do anything he can to advance the ball. He has the straight-line speed to make the big play and very good run vision to elude. He has top finishing speed for a tight end and can turn it up field in an instant. He is the type of player that will consistently threaten a defense in deep routes. He is elusive and has the speed to win most foot races vs. linebackers and safeties.

Blocking Ability 7.3 Engram lacks the “sand in his pants” to be a stunning in-line blocker, but he will not hesitate to face up to the bigger defensive linemen. He might have size limitations, but also shows true courage and will never shy away from contact. He is on the edge rusher quickly and follows up with good hand placement and a pretty decent punch. He keeps his feet active in attempts to leverage (rare to see him be inverted) and he works hard to sustain. He might be better as a position-type blocker, but with his balance, it is not often that a defender can knock him back in attempts to get inside penetration. When he stays low in his pads and keeps his hands inside his frame, he will use his mitts efficiently to control the defender and get movement (good, not great). As for blocking down field, he has the athletic ability and intent to punish linebackers and safeties. He takes good angles as a cut blocker for the outside running game and will work to stalk when moving down field (see 2016 Memphis, Arkansas, Georgia Southern games). He shows very good effort and willingness when having to block in space, just needing more time in the weight room to improve his overall power. With his above average second level quickness, he should have no problems reaching and making the cut-off at the next level of competition (NFL), as he has the hip flexibility and footwork to position, change direction and sustain.


Summation
Engram is blessed with impressive athletic ability, good power and exceptional quickness for the tight end position. He has performed at the traditional tight end slot, as an H-back, slot receiver and at the “Y” receiver position, in addition to excelling on the special team coverage units.

His senior season was his finest as a pass catcher, leading the team with 65 receptions via 95 targets and also ranks as the nation’s leader among college tight ends with 2,320 yards receiving during his career. He has a well-built frame with good muscle definition in the chest and arms, good bubble, thick quadriceps, thighs and calves. He is very effective as a motion tight end, showing the functional strength and hand extension to be very effective making angle blocks. He comes off the snap with above average acceleration and is sudden to get into his patterns. He also plays with good urgency and has the speed to affect and stretch coverage.

He consistently shows a quick release, using his hands effectively to avoid the jam and will not take any false steps or hesitate getting into his patterns. He has enough functional strength to power through the line hold-up, but needs to do a better job of protecting his feet vs. the low hits. The thing you notice on film is his acceleration and ability to drive off the ball instantly. He does a good job of using his hands to prevent defenders from rerouting him and he has the vision to break down and settle into the soft spot of the zone.

His routes are crisp and defined, as his body control and quickness allows him to easily uncover and separate after the catch. He will not hesitate to compete for the ball going over the middle and has the strength and physical nature to try to gain extra yardage after the catch. He will sometimes try to run through a defender rather than elude, but is generally very efficient at reading coverage in order to quickly separate.

Engram possesses the vertical speed to get deep. He has sure hands, doing a nice job of extending to catch away from the body’s framework and makes good body adjustments to get to the off-target throws. He has the ability to get open quickly in the short and medium areas and has good acceleration after the catch. When he has to leap for the contested ball, he becomes a physical receiver who shows toughness to out-fight the defender for the sphere.

Engram will always maintain concentration working in the crowd and shows the vertical skills to go up and get the ball at its high point. He looks very flexible and times his leaps properly. He runs hard and has that second gear needed to burst up the seam after the catch. Despite giving up bulk to the larger down linemen, he works hard to steer and drive defenders off the ball and does a very good job of creating outside rush lanes for the ball carriers. He does an adequate job and shows good effort blocking in-line, but is better when making the cut block up field (not used much as a lead blocker).

Engram knows how to keep his feet and uses his hands effectively to control the defender and get movement coming off the snap. When working in the second level, he shows good intent to punish and has the long arms needed to tie up a defender when working in space. He is a natural hands catcher who will best be served as a motion tight end at the NFL level. He has great field vision and the ability to break down and locate and is a big target for the vertical passing game due to his deep speed. He is a very sharp route runner who gets his head turned properly to track the ball in flight over his shoulder. He still has room to grow physically, but it is his athletic ability that immediately catches your eyes.

Career Notes Among current active college tight ends (all levels), Engram leads that contingent with 2,320 yards receiving…Among FBS tight ends, only Jonnu Smith of Florida International (178) has made more catches than Engram (162)…A starter in 42-of-45 appearances, he holds the school all-time tight end record for receptions (fourth on the overall chart), yardage (fifth overall) and touchdown catches (sixth overall)…Is the first Ole Miss tight end to start all four seasons…In 2016, he set the school tight end season records with his 65 receptions for 926 yards and eight touchdowns.

2016 Season All-American first-team selection by The NFL Draft Report, Associated Press Sporting News, SI, USA Today, CBS Sports, Scout.com, SB Nation), second team (Walter Camp, FOX Sports), fourth team (Phil Steele) … 58th first team All-America selection in school history … Won Ozzie Newsome Award as nation’s best tight end … Recipient of the Pop Warner College Football Award for excellence on the field and in the community … C Spire Conerly Trophy winner as Mississippi’s top college football player … Invited to the Senior Bowl … All-SEC first team (Coaches, AP, ESPN.com, Athlon, Gridiron Now, Phil Steele), second team (PFF) … SEC Community Service team … Mackey Award semifinalist ... Senior CLASS Award finalist ... Midseason All-America first team (Sporting News, SI.com, CBS Sports, ESPN.com) ... Midseason All-SEC first team (ESPN.com, SEC Country) ... On in-season watch list for the Biletnikoff Award ... Led all the nation's tight ends with 84.2 receiving ypg and 5.9 catches/games, while ranking tied for second with eight TD catches ... Ranked second among all SEC players with 84.2 receiving ypg (32nd in nation) and 5.9 catches/game (30th nationally), while ranking tied for fifth with eight TD catches (T-47th nationally) ... Broke the Ole Miss single-season records for catches (65) and receiving yards (926) by a TE and tied the record for TD catches (8) by a TE … Started all 11 games in which he played … Missed the Mississippi State game due to injury … Had 95 passes targeted to him (caught 65; 68.42%) … Recorded 37 first downs and eight touchdowns, converting eighteen third-down tosses …Eight of his receptions gained at least 30 yards, sixteen were for 20 yards or longer and a total 33 generated at least ten yards.
vs. #4 Florida State: Made a career-high nine catches for 121 yards and a touchdown ... vs. Wofford: Had two catches for 43 yards ... vs. #1 Alabama: Tied his career high with nine catches, racking up 138 yards with a 63-yard TD ... vs. #11 Georgia: Produced game highs with six catches and 95 receiving yards and a TD ... vs. Memphis: Caught four passes for 82 yards and a TD ... at #22 Arkansas: Led all players in the game with seven catches for 111 yards and a TD ... at #23 LSU: Caught three passes for 15 yards ... vs. #15 Auburn: Led the team with a career high-tying nine catches for 95 yards and a TD ... vs. Georgia Southern: Caught four passes for 75 yards and a TD and was named John Mackey National TE of the Week ... at #8 Texas A&M: Caught six passes for 49 yards ... at Vanderbilt: Led the Rebels with six catches for 102 yards and a TD.

2015 Season An All-SEC second team pick (Coaches, Athlon, Phil Steele), earning all-league honors for the third straight year ... Named All-America third team by College Sports Madness ... SEC Community Service team ... John Mackey Award midseason watch list ... Greatly improved his blocking skills as a junior ... Tied for second on team with 38 catches, fifth with 464 receiving yards and sixth with two TD catches ... Helped the Rebel offense shatter the majority of single-season school records, including most total yards, points, touchdowns and passing yards ... One of four team captains ... Started 12 of 13 games.
vs. UT Martin: Made one catch for 5 yards in start ... at #2 Alabama: Caught one pass for 22 yards in start ... vs. Vanderbilt: Hauled in three passes for 41 yards and made one tackle on an interception, in start ... at #23 Florida: Caught three passes for 41 yards in start ... vs. New Mexico State: Caught two passes for 28 yards in start ... at #22 Memphis: Four catches for 24 yards in start ... vs. #15 Texas A&M: Caught four passes for 35 yards and his first TD of the year in start ... at Auburn: Hauled in four catches for 36 yards in start ... Made a key fourth-down grab and then made the block that sprung Akeem Judd to a 25-yard touchdown run to tie the game at 10-10 in the 2nd quarter ... vs. Arkansas: Had three catches for 35 yards in start ... vs. #15 LSU: Caught a team-high five passes for 58 yards and a TD in start ... at #21 Mississippi State: Caught two passes for 43 yards ... Sugar Bowl vs. #16 Oklahoma State: Caught a game-high six passes for a game-high 96 yards to help Ole Miss to its first Sugar Bowl win since 1970 and its most points (48) and yards (554) in any bowl game in school history.

2014 Season All-America second team (Sports Illustrated), third team (Sports on Earth), fourth team (Athlon, Phil Steele) ... All-SEC first team (AP, Coaches, ESPN.com, Athlon, Phil Steele, College Sports Madness) ... John Mackey Award Semifinalist ... Led all SEC tight ends with 662 receiving yards and was second with 38 catches ... Led the nation’s tight ends and ranked seventh among SEC players with 17.4 yards per catch ... Set a single-season school record for receiving yards by a tight end ... Started at tight end in every game ... Midseason All-SEC first team (ESPN.com, Phil Steele).
vs. Boise State: Had four catches for 41 yards ... at Vanderbilt: Named CFPA National TE of the Week after posting seven catches for 112 yards ... vs. UL-Lafayette: Started, but did not have a catch for the first time in his career ... vs. Memphis: Caught three passes for 22 yards ... vs. #1 Alabama: Had three catches for a team-high 71 yards ... at #14 Texas A&M: One catch for 18 yards ... vs. Tennessee: Caught a 28-yard touchdown, his first score of the season ... vs. #3 Auburn: Named CFPA National TE of the Week after posting eight catches for 123 yards and a touchdown ... at Arkansas: Hauled in five passes for 65 yards ... vs. #4 Mississippi State: Had five catches for a career-high 176 yards (fourth-highest total in school history) en route to CFPA National TE of the Week honors ... Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl vs. #6 TCU: Caught one pass for 11 yards.

2013 Season All-SEC second team selection (Associated Press, College Sports Madness) ... One of the first two true freshmen in school history (along with Laremy Tunsil) to be named All-SEC ... Freshman All-America honorable mention (College Football News) ... Phil Steele Midseason All-SEC third team ... Played in eight games with six starts at tight end ... Set an Ole Miss freshman TE record with three touchdown catches ... Finished with 21 catches for 268 yards and three TDs (T-3rd on team) ... Suffered a high ankle sprain against LSU and missed the remainder of the regular season after undergoing corrective surgery, but returned for the bowl game.
at Vanderbilt: Caught five passes for 61 yards in his collegiate debut ... vs. Southeast Missouri: Made his first career start at TE and caught two passes for 70 yards, including a 64-yard TD ... Named honorable mention CFPA National TE of the Week ... at Texas: Caught four passes for 44 yards and a 17-yard TD in start ... at #1 Alabama: Caught two passes for 14 yards ... at Auburn: Caught two passes for 22 yards in start ... vs. #9 Texas A&M: Had three catches for 26 yards with a TD in start ... vs. #6 LSU: Caught two passes for 28 yards in start before going down with an ankle sprain

High School Listed as a 3-star recruit and the No. 22 tight end in the nation by Scout.com ... Rated the No. 27 TE in the country by ESPN.com ... Named first team All-State as a senior by the Georgia Sports-writers Association and the Associated Press ... All-State honorable mention by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ... Hauled in 40 catches for 975 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior ... Caught 18 passes for 300 yards and four touchdowns as a junior, helping Hillgrove go 11-1 and advance to the second round of the state playoffs ... Caught two touchdowns in the Cobb County All-Star Senior Bowl ... Coached in high school by Phillip Ironside.

Personal Son of Michelle Zelina and Derrick Engram ... Full name is Evan Michael Engram ... Born: Sept. 2, 1994 ... Sister, Mackenzie, plays basketball at Georgia and was named to the 2014-15 SEC All-Freshman team ... Integrated marketing communications major ... Made U.M.A.A. Honor Roll for Fall 2014 ... Works closely with Special Olympics.

Statistics RECEIVING STATISTICS…R/PG indicates receptions per game...GM/AVG indicates average yards gained per game.
STATS GP GS NO YARDS AVG TD LONG
2013 08 06 021 0268 12.76 03 64
2014 13 13 038 0662 17.42 02 83
2015 13 12 038 0464 12.21 02 36
2016 11 11 065 0926 14.25 08 63
TOTAL 45 42 162 2320 14.32 15 83

Compares To VERNON DAVIS-ex-San Francisco…Engram is a lot like the “former” San Francisco 49er Vernon Davis (not the current version). He might not be as strong or physical as Davis, but he shows that burst and acceleration to instantly challenge the deep areas of the secondary. He is a fluid athlete whose elite receiver’s skills shine through. He has that sudden accelerating ability that allows him to easily gobble up the cushion and get behind second level defenders. With his blue collar work ethic (loves to play on the special team coverage units), he’s the type of player, that if used as a motion tight end, defenses will have to account for him the entire game.

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Jesse B : 4/28/2017 1:43 pm : link
If you could add one email to your list
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Pete in MD : 4/28/2017 1:45 pm : link
highlight reel immediately reminded me of Vernon Davis at his peak but I thought that was just because I'm a Maryland homer.
Is that it?  
Klaatu : 4/28/2017 1:47 pm : link
Ha! I kill me.
1.49 10 yard split?  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 1:59 pm : link
holy crap that is quick
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Rocky369 : 4/28/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13448855 Jesse B said:
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Dave - he got it in before 2:00 pm.
"Works closely with Special Olympics"  
Mike from SI : 4/28/2017 2:14 pm : link
Bravo!
Thanks for posting  
steve in ky : 4/28/2017 2:24 pm : link
A lot of information to read through, thanks for sharing. I am curious how does one determine that he "needs just minimal reps to retain plays" ? Wouldn't a lot of that be the result of the time/effort put in at practice and not game reps?

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Kevin in Annapolis : 4/28/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13448953 steve in ky said:
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A lot of information to read through, thanks for sharing. I am curious how does one determine that he "needs just minimal reps to retain plays" ? Wouldn't a lot of that be the result of the time/effort put in at practice and not game reps?


I would think this type of info comes from talking to coaches.
So he's very awesome?  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/28/2017 2:30 pm : link
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Joeguido : 4/28/2017 2:31 pm : link
for sharing Dave....awesome stuff as usual
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nflscouting : 4/28/2017 2:35 pm : link
Sorry can't add and a few of you that got your emails in did not read my post-if you had pictures or attachments or funny company logos, it kicked it into the spam folder

I'm in Boston, computer's in Arizona & those that got the request in were taken care of. Sorry guys, but out of town & heading to Europe right after the draft
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nflscouting : 4/28/2017 2:39 pm : link
I judge a kid on much more than the game itself. Take for example my trips recently to spring camps. I want to see the players working out the rough spots on what might possibly be a different system, how well they took care of themselves after months long layoffs, how they go about preparing on the field before workouts begin.
Then, in the August camps, I return to see how they absorbed those plays, adhered to the offseason training program & how they applied what they learned & how well they fit into the scheme.
Me? The phrase I hate the most is a guy is a "game player." Scares me when there's 294 hours in a week & the guy just gives me one hour
Great stuff...  
Dunedin81 : 4/28/2017 2:40 pm : link
if he can develop as an average or better blocker in space he could be very useful, even if he's never much of a in-line blocker. If they can run effectively out of passing formations, that could be a lethal offense.
love that his work habits  
GiantsLaw : 4/28/2017 2:42 pm : link
is one of his highest grades. Kid has talent, and will work to achieve it. Can't be said for many prospects.
DAVE TE TO STEVE IN KY  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 2:43 pm : link
Thanks for posting
steve in ky : 2:24 pm : link : reply
A lot of information to read through, thanks for sharing. I am curious how does one determine that he "needs just minimal reps to retain plays" ? Wouldn't a lot of that be the result of the time/effort put in at practice and not game reps?
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You like a guy who can sit in the position classroom & take the play from the chalk board to the playing field. That expression merely states that the player has that ability. When I was at Utah practices late last year, wondering why this left tackle was getting tons of attention. I see a guy getting "Bolles what are you doing?" shouts from his coach often, Asiata calmly explaining things to him. Not my kind of guy, especially at what position & how much field smarts count there. I'm seeing a guy that in a power scheme, okay. In a zone blocking - no way Jose.
is great stuff  
ColHowPepper : 4/28/2017 2:47 pm : link
a gift, you have the gift, thank you!
DAVE TE TO DUNDEIN81  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 2:48 pm : link
Great stuff...
Dunedin81 : 2:40 pm : link : reply
if he can develop as an average or better blocker in space he could be very useful, even if he's never much of a in-line blocker. If they can run effectively out of passing formations, that could be a lethal offense.
ANSWER
Despite lining up in a variety of roles, he had 56 second level blocks last year. He's never going to blow up a DE, but he will surely try. Besides, a guy that gives effort in-line is just playing a supporting role there. I'm just hoping McAdoo realizes what he has in this kid & not pigeon-hole him into one spot on the field
I tell ya, I was doing Senor Crappypants as those two Bama kids slid. When TB took Howard - GREAT - the best guy for that role for Big Blue was Engram, I felt.
But, then, I realized most of the OL guys were there & Foster. When Engram's name was called, it was time to dance the jig
Thanks  
steve in ky : 4/28/2017 2:55 pm : link
.
Holy Crap  
antdog24 : 4/28/2017 3:26 pm : link
that was awesome!
DAVE TE TO ANTDOG  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 3:49 pm : link
I just want BBI readers to see everything on file with the Giants picks - after all, who knows more about Big Blue than BBI readers
Wow.  
Jerry K : 4/28/2017 3:51 pm : link
Best draft pick ever.
Seriously, thanks for posting this.
If Dave is dancing the jig for this pick  
Canton : 4/28/2017 4:01 pm : link
good enough for me. Can't wait to see him in camp.
Thanks Dave  
illmatic : 4/28/2017 4:01 pm : link
Awesome stuff
Dave  
nygirlie : 4/28/2017 5:02 pm : link
What would you say Engram's weaknesses are?
Dave TE  
JPinstripes : 4/28/2017 5:08 pm : link
you are incredible man, a treasure to learn from. Thank you so much for all your insight and perspective on players. WOW, you are just WOW.
DAVE TE TO THE GRATEFUL DEAD  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 5:10 pm : link
Google Docs
Thegratefulhead : 1:27 pm : link : reply
Make it public and post a link
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Big guy, Dave Te here. My info is for you guys only & I am going to have BBI pull the google link they set up. Here's the thing. When the wife died, I walked away from everything, done, caput, totally fried. Months later, a Giants exec sent me a monster post from BBI that had a zillion responses, all hoping I was okay. I reluctantly came back to help the Giants & a few other teams get the player info they needed, but decided as a thank you to you guys, if anybody wants to read my stuff, they gotta come here. Screw all other sites. Google & see if ANY of my info is posted on any other site or even published this year. I know, the stuff is long & hard to digest all at once, but this is what I do, enjoy it & if I gotta start doing this for one site, that for another guy, etc, there's no more fun in it for me & I'll just hop in my car & do the Route 66 trick. So, I ask, bear with this ecentric dude, at least through the draft. If your eyes go from reading too much, we will all chip in for group lasik surgery.
DAVE TE TO NYGIRLIE  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 5:22 pm : link
I would say in-line blocking. Not that he does not give total effort & is good on combos, but one-on-one, he could get walked back. Another issue is when he tries to turn and run with just a little too much wiggle (some 20-yard runs take him 30 yards to reach). With his god-given speed & upper body? Lower the pads and drive ahead. Me? I look at his assets more - I can line him in the slot, use him in motion, breaking him out wide-right or put him in the backfield. Not used in games, but several scouts have been impressed with his arm on the flea flickers. There's a lot of elements to this guy's game & if done right, he can be a highly effective receiving weapon & I bet you a few Big Blue runners are going to thank him for his desire to block in the second level.
Don't get me wrong - Corey Davis had a great career, but look at Kevin White & Brett Perriman & their injury woes. Williams is a big target, but not going to be a speed threat. Engram was the ONLY pass catching weapon in round one. Oh, don't drink the Miami TE bug juice. If he was that good, where was he until this year? If he was that good, why not put him out there for three downs?
You guys really got a steal & along with San Fran, I was very pleased how round one went, because thankfully, I don't live in Chicago or Cleveland!
DAVE TE TO JPINSTRIPES  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 5:23 pm : link
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In one highlights, he ran away from Collins while at Bama.  
George from PA : 4/28/2017 5:26 pm : link
He seems much more fluid then Noku and love the OBJ catches.....He does those one handed deals at practice.

Curious to see how he compares as a WR vs. the 3 guys that went in the top 10?

This team has more talent at the skill positions then EVER before......Protect Eli....and even more important, make sure Eli feels safer.....They will kick ass.
TO GEORGE IN PA  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 5:50 pm : link
Oh, the Giants got the best of the four, buddy. Just from an injury standpoint alone, its win/win. Most teams feel Davis will be ready by the start of the season, but ankle issues on a WR? Better get Aflick & John Ross could be a poster child for that company. Williams lacks speed & broke his back that forced him to sit out a season. Going up for the ball & he takes a helmet hit? He's outta here. Engram missed 4 of 49 games at Ole Miss - three with a bad ankle as a frosh & undisclosed in the 2016 season finale. To boot, he's very familiar with Eli already, spending 2 summers at the Manning camp & off the field, you are going to love him in the community. Hey, I know this is BBI, but hats off to the co-tenants in Rutherford, as Jamal Adams is going to be huge for that defense
Hey Dave  
Sonic Youth : 4/28/2017 5:52 pm : link
First off, thanks for everything you do. Also, you're f'in hilarious on the podcasts.

I haven't researched as much as others, but the Engram's highlight reel reminds me of Ebron a little. They're both undersized and athletic, primarily pass catchers.

So what was it that made Ebron a top 10 pick and Engram a late first?
FROM DAVE TE TO SONIC YOUTH  
nflscouting : 4/28/2017 6:55 pm : link
Cool name, better music!
Hey Dave
Sonic Youth : 5:52 pm : link : reply
First off, thanks for everything you do. Also, you're f'in hilarious on the podcasts. I haven't researched as much as others, but the Engram's highlight reel reminds me of Ebron a little. They're both undersized and athletic, primarily pass catchers. So what was it that made Ebron a top 10 pick and Engram a late first?
ANSWER
First off, no f'in cursing on the site, won't have that s##t!
Kidding, from Brooklyn, cursing is in our DNA
Well, Ebron was a big surprise when Detroit took him, as he had coaching issues well known at UNC. How'd that work out? He's dropped an average of 10% of targeted passes & the Lions might now drop him. They declined his 5th year option & if the Ashland kid slips into round 3 (doubt it), Quinn really likes the guy. Oh, he checked around the league trying to see what return he could get & Quinn's calls went relatively unanswered.
Here's one thing that ticks me off when people talk about Engram - oh, he's not really a tight end - he lacks size - he can't block, etc.
First, good, he's not a traditional tight end. By Giants schemes, that means he won't be a spaz on the field, good for blocking, maybe. This kid is a vacuum going for the ball. His size? He puts up the weights real well & his 87% blocking grade led the FBS "tight ends" last year. 56 second level blocks, 8 on TD runs. The kid can play & I dispute the NY Post saying he does not fit & won't play an important role.
Between Marshall & Beckham, when they lose their cool? Both disappear on the field, save for their mouth. Geez, imagine if they signed Bennett. They's have to hire Kanae West as their receivers coach so you will have all your Fruit Loops in one bowl.
RE: FROM DAVE TE TO SONIC YOUTH  
Sonic Youth : 4/28/2017 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13449558 nflscouting said:
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Cool name, better music!
Hey Dave
Sonic Youth : 5:52 pm : link : reply
First off, thanks for everything you do. Also, you're f'in hilarious on the podcasts. I haven't researched as much as others, but the Engram's highlight reel reminds me of Ebron a little. They're both undersized and athletic, primarily pass catchers. So what was it that made Ebron a top 10 pick and Engram a late first?
ANSWER
First off, no f'in cursing on the site, won't have that s##t!
Kidding, from Brooklyn, cursing is in our DNA
Well, Ebron was a big surprise when Detroit took him, as he had coaching issues well known at UNC. How'd that work out? He's dropped an average of 10% of targeted passes & the Lions might now drop him. They declined his 5th year option & if the Ashland kid slips into round 3 (doubt it), Quinn really likes the guy. Oh, he checked around the league trying to see what return he could get & Quinn's calls went relatively unanswered.
Here's one thing that ticks me off when people talk about Engram - oh, he's not really a tight end - he lacks size - he can't block, etc.
First, good, he's not a traditional tight end. By Giants schemes, that means he won't be a spaz on the field, good for blocking, maybe. This kid is a vacuum going for the ball. His size? He puts up the weights real well & his 87% blocking grade led the FBS "tight ends" last year. 56 second level blocks, 8 on TD runs. The kid can play & I dispute the NY Post saying he does not fit & won't play an important role.
Between Marshall & Beckham, when they lose their cool? Both disappear on the field, save for their mouth. Geez, imagine if they signed Bennett. They's have to hire Kanae West as their receivers coach so you will have all your Fruit Loops in one bowl.
LOL thanks for answering, and I appreciate the clarification. In retrospect, I do remember Ebron being an ever-so-slight reach when the Lions took him at 8. From what I've seen from your and Sy's scouting, it's not that he *can't* block, but that he's more of a second level blocker, and more just limited in his ability to handle DEs due to size/strength. Having said that, putting someone that can work the middle on the Giants is probably going to counteract any shortcomings in his DL blocking, and Ellison is here for when we need to road-grate. Last year was just OBJ and Shep (Cruz, so cooked, heady, could find soft spots, good for a big play a game, wish he got a step back, would still resign him, but he was a slot WR to begin with and was useless outside).... I think Marshall + Engram + Shep in the slot, with Tavarres King and Roger Lewis looking to be at least contributors, and Harris showing he can at least be a fill in in the passing game, means that we have the potential for a top 5 passing attack (need to fix the line though, would be ecstatic if we can get some great OL here and sign Blount).

And shit, I loved you before but I love you even more now that I know you like Sonic Youth (I've gotten shit for the board before for the band I named my username after, lol - but I was 16, wanted to look older, and Sonic Youth has been one of my favorite bands since an early teen so in my mind it was worth it so people didn't realize I was 16).

Lastly, I'm from NJ, so yeah, not the most kosher of mouths. Thanks for all the effort you put towards giving your fellow Giants brethren fantastic, informed insights bro!

(p.s. - lol @ dig at POTUS45)
That's 16 at the time  
Sonic Youth : 4/28/2017 7:16 pm : link
I'm unfortunately 28 now, but if you can find a way to turn back the clock to March 2005, share it with me.
DAVE TE TO SONIC YOUTH  
nflscouting : 4/29/2017 12:00 am : link
Until I moved & my grand daughter stole it from me, my '95 lallapalooza shirt rested in my closet Bubba! Renaldo, what a freaking thing he would do on the guitar. Shame he broke them up about 6-7 years ago.So before you make me dig for my Washing Machine album, what did you think of the draft so far. Remember, no cursing, especially about the Webb pick
To Sonic Youth  
nflscouting : 4/29/2017 1:38 pm : link
He, we like fun, but we keep it PG. Tone down on the cursing stuff, not cool here, capece?
RE: DAVE TE TO SONIC YOUTH  
Sonic Youth : 4/29/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13451379 nflscouting said:
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Until I moved & my grand daughter stole it from me, my '95 lallapalooza shirt rested in my closet Bubba! Renaldo, what a freaking thing he would do on the guitar. Shame he broke them up about 6-7 years ago.So before you make me dig for my Washing Machine album, what did you think of the draft so far. Remember, no cursing, especially about the Webb pick
Not happy about the Webb pick, I don't see the point, I think it's a wasted pick that doesn't contribute to our window of 1-3 years. But I defer to those more knowledgable than I. Who knows - I am awful with picks and whatever I feel about players usually means the opposite will happen, so maybe Webb will be great. But I hate drafting a QB so high. If Eli gets hurt, we are finished anyway. Invest in the OL
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