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Drafting players with off-field ?s (PR prep/headache)

Beezer : 4/28/2017 1:44 pm
So Reuben Foster was drafted. Too good not to be taken, and maybe all things being relative, his alleged transgressions were on the softer side (diluted urine - says he hydrated like crazy after being sick ... uh-huh ... and then that little run-in wit the hospital employee around the combine. Maybe that employee was a jerk?).

But here we go. Day 2, and a handful of upper-echelon prospects are on display.

Joe Mixon is right up there, the runningback who clocked a co-ed on video, breaking her face and forever changing her life. Maybe he can grow up, but how hard does your NFL PR department want to work at posing positive spins at whatever team might pull the trigger? With the abundance of talent out there, I'd personally be upset with my team taking this guy.

Gareon Conley and the rape allegation? We're supposed to know something more about the situation AFTER the draft, so how well are the teams able to dig into the situation and get satisfying answers before they're on the clock tonight? Allegedly the accuser went to the hospital and a rape kit was administered - odd that there's so little talk about that. Big risk for a team to take the guy and have something come of this situation.

Dalvin Cook will be a very good pro, we'd all agree. But with the whole Aaron Hernandez situation, thuggish start to finish, just how much risk is Cook? Tough upbringing, lots of red flags, and can he be a grown-up professional? Or would a guy like him backslide and lose focus and essentially render his pick ... pointless?

Even Cam Robinson, the huge O-lineman who has an arrest on his docket for pot and a stolen handgun in a car when he and another were pulled over? Again, maybe a solid pro in the coming years, but how much of a grown-up can this guy be while he's in the league?

This shit matters to some (although many on BBI say they couldn't care less about what these guys do off the field), and it would appear, over time, that the NY Football Giants place a higher importance on such things than the average team might.

I don't see the Giants getting the others, but maybe Robinson falls far enough tonight?

I hope there's someone else they like more if that scenario plays out.
Conley was already drafted  
Seventh Spiel : 4/28/2017 1:52 pm : link
by the Raiders.
Very interesting and difficult question  
nicky43 : 4/28/2017 1:52 pm : link
because even if the guy appears to be going straight you don't know how he's going to act with the new freedoms away from college and all the money they will soon find in their pockets and the hangers on that money tends to attract.
The Giants aren't special  
Bluenatic : 4/28/2017 1:56 pm : link
Sure, they prefer "clean" players. TC was known to have a fondness for kids who were captains in college. But the Giants have rolled the dice on several questionable players over the years.
For the Giants ....  
Beer Man : 4/28/2017 2:56 pm : link
They have been burned by the fire and want to stay away from it. They also have seen what it did to a Dallas defense, that may have been scary had their DEs stayed clean. Having elite talent means nothing if the player is on the suspension list for being a bonehead.
You could say the same for  
Beer Man : 4/28/2017 2:57 pm : link
players who are often injured.
Mixon made a mistake at 18  
MasherJints : 4/28/2017 3:38 pm : link
Everyone who condemns this young man needs to look in the mirror and answer the question, if at 18 a girl slapped your face how difficult would it be to stay your hand? What I saw was a millisecond reaction. There was no thought, just reflex. Neurologically the ability to impede an instinctive defense reflex is very difficult.

Oklahoma law is very severe on assault toward women, if they had to acknowledge that it wasn't a premeditated act we need to also understand the ramifications of action and reaction. Mixon is not a bad young man and whoever gives him an opportunity will reap the rewards of his talent and maturity. I for one would prefer to have that windfall upon our Giants.
I tend to think teams avoid these players for the PR nightmare  
Biteymax22 : 4/28/2017 3:48 pm : link
My reasoning is pretty simple. 30 years ago teams didn't go anywhere near as far as they do now to do their homework on character issues, the reasoning is because they could sweep things under the table rather easily. Now, if a player leaves a waiter a bad tip it is all over social media. They're more afraid of the headache than they are the risk.

It really makes you stop and think, if they had twitter and facebook in the 80's, we would have never drafted LT.
Sorry ... glossed over the Conley pick.  
Beezer : 4/28/2017 3:53 pm : link

More than condemning Mixon or anyone else, I'm just saying from a team's standpoint, how much damage control must they be willing to go through. There are huge fan bases that might not be as willing to forgive so easily, and after all, this is a business, and there's a product to be sold.
RE: I tend to think teams avoid these players for the PR nightmare  
Beezer : 4/28/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13449197 Biteymax22 said:
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It really makes you stop and think, if they had twitter and facebook in the 80's, we would have never drafted LT.


Was LT into shit in college? All the things I have read about him came after he was a pro. Were there red flags?
RE: RE: I tend to think teams avoid these players for the PR nightmare  
Biteymax22 : 4/28/2017 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13449219 Beezer said:
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In comment 13449197 Biteymax22 said:


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It really makes you stop and think, if they had twitter and facebook in the 80's, we would have never drafted LT.



Was LT into shit in college? All the things I have read about him came after he was a pro. Were there red flags?


That's kind of my point, they weren't doing their dilegence back then to the extent they do now. The food for thought in all of this is did he go off the rails when he was a pro or is it a case of teams not caring like they do now. LT showed up on Sundays and played better than anyone on the field, that's all that mattered in the past.
RE: Mixon made a mistake at 18  
djm : 4/28/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13449168 MasherJints said:
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Everyone who condemns this young man needs to look in the mirror and answer the question, if at 18 a girl slapped your face how difficult would it be to stay your hand? What I saw was a millisecond reaction. There was no thought, just reflex. Neurologically the ability to impede an instinctive defense reflex is very difficult.

Oklahoma law is very severe on assault toward women, if they had to acknowledge that it wasn't a premeditated act we need to also understand the ramifications of action and reaction. Mixon is not a bad young man and whoever gives him an opportunity will reap the rewards of his talent and maturity. I for one would prefer to have that windfall upon our Giants.


Just stop with this horse shit. taking mixon is a huge risk. I won't condem anyone for taking him but you're defending this guy....it's nonsense. Instinct? The fuck are you talking about.
Reflex  
djm : 4/28/2017 7:59 pm : link
Instinct whatever. Mixon looked way too comfy hitting that woman. It's easy for you to say pick him. You don't work for an NFL franchise. Like I said I won't kill any team for taking him but it's a huuuuuge huuuuuge red flag we're talking about. This isn't a kid getting busted for pot or facing an unfounded accusation. He obliterated a girl's face. Waaah he was under duress gimme a break. Walk away there Joe. Walk the fuck away.
RE: Mixon made a mistake at 18  
yatqb : 4/28/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13449168 MasherJints said:
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Everyone who condemns this young man needs to look in the mirror and answer the question, if at 18 a girl slapped your face how difficult would it be to stay your hand? What I saw was a millisecond reaction. There was no thought, just reflex. Neurologically the ability to impede an instinctive defense reflex is very difficult.

Oklahoma law is very severe on assault toward women, if they had to acknowledge that it wasn't a premeditated act we need to also understand the ramifications of action and reaction. Mixon is not a bad young man and whoever gives him an opportunity will reap the rewards of his talent and maturity. I for one would prefer to have that windfall upon our Giants.


Boy, do I disagree. When I worked with batterers that was their argument, until we got into it in depth, and they began to recognize all the decisions they made as to where they hit the person, in what situation (they sure didn't do it in public usually, so they were able to restrain themselves when it served them) and so on.
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