Kurtenbach: "Engram over Njoku = preposterous"

Sy says he can block, ill trust him.

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preposterous.

as well

I liked him better when he played for the NY Rangers

its feeding the trolls.

they need to make outlandish statements to get traffic

I've never heard of him but Prisco re-tweeted this so I looked him up


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A guy who was a consensus first round talent is a D- pick at #23? Sounds a little harsh.

I never heard of him before. Does he have credentials?

In comment 13449151 ECham said:

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its feeding the trolls. they need to make outlandish statements to get traffic

I highly doubt it's that. It's a list full of all draft picks. The guy probably just disliked our pick - that's fine, who cares, it's his opinion.

From the eyeball test, I see what he means about blocking, by if scouts like Sy and Dave Te say otherwise, I'm more inclined to believe them.

like the day before? seems like they had something on him that they really didn't like. plus, to the extent they're comparable and thought engram was a better fit, so be it. i'm not going to complain about splitting hairs.

In comment 13449148 Big Blue '56 said:

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I liked him better when he played for the NY Rangers

Now that's funny!!

But I think you can question Engram over Njoku certainly, even if you like the pick.

Sy had a higher grade on Njoku and I think (might be wrong) said in real time his pick would have been Njoku.

But the career comparison has now been established.

so what does that say about him?

He's undersized as well. We Have Ellison as a blocker. He's better than either.

Dieter Kurtenbach?

In comment 13449159 Samiam said:

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I never heard of him before. Does he have credentials?

"Dieter Kurtenbach is a senior writer with Fox Sports analyzing the amazing and roasting the absurd in the world of sports. He came to Fox Sports via the South Florida Sun Sentinel and KNBR-San Francisco. A native Chicagoan, Kurtenbach is a graduate of the Missouri School of Journalism, and is an avid Liverpool FC fan. He lives in Los Angeles and is awaiting The Weakerthans'€™ inevitable reunion tour."

This guy still wants to be the Center of attention ;-).

excelled as a blocker against LBs and DBs.

He was not drafted to block DEs...he will rarely be asked to do so.

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In comment 13449185 Rflairr said:

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Double Yawn

Ndjoku caught 64 in two years. Saying Engram is only marginally better as a receiver is "preposterous".

This isn't a knock on him. He's only and still learning. So maybe he becomes a HOF TE But crap like this stupid. And it shows the writer to be a more interested being outlandish than giving any type of intelligent analysis

"Kurtenbach is a graduate of the Missouri School of Journalism, and is an avid Liverpool FC fan."

Yeah, I'm all set.

I'll trust Sy56

Watched a football game since 1997.

In comment 13449204 Victor in CT said:

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I'll trust Sy56

Yes..I was playing with the name..😎

Yawn...

In comment 13449143 UConn4523 said:

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Sy says he can block, ill trust him.

I've seen Engram block pretty well in his game tapes. He's OK, not great, but OK and more than willing.

except this time we picked first.....

The Giants controlled the pick.....it will be interesting to watch the career of Engram vs Njoku.....

posting negative views. It's like If you're a Trump fan why watch CNN?

Engrams is a willing, adequate blocker and most of all tries to finish his blocks and does not give up frequently. Watch the Texas A and M tape.

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What Sy said; Engram is a good and aggressive blocker given his physique and talent. You're not going to use him to attempt to uproot DT's.

The Giants are always very confident in their grades, and after a very detailed look/see at Njoku, they decided they like Engram better. Wouldn't surprise me if there are issues with Njoku that concern them. Immaturity?

It was as if my dad were here! "See Greg, back then the only tough guy the Rangers had was Orland Kurtenbach...."

You've lost Middle America.

Dieter! Dieter!

I really would like to know how these football draft experts go about doing their jobs. I would guess that someone in the team front office, if not Reese himself, watched every game Engram played thus year and maybe all his time at Miss. I'll bet somebody talked to his coaches and you have Wonderluc & physical tests at the Combine. I'm sure Kurtenvach watched the Senior Bowl and maybe a bowl game on tv and some YouTube videos

Catching

Blocking

In comment 13449249 Greg from LI said:

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It was as if my dad were here! "See Greg, back then the only tough guy the Rangers had was Orland Kurtenbach...."

Hehe..I think it's the first time I have seen that name since The Ranger F played..

In comment 13449252 Samiam said:

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I really would like to know how these football draft experts go about doing their jobs. I would guess that someone in the team front office, if not Reese himself, watched every game Engram played thus year and maybe all his time at Miss. I'll bet somebody talked to his coaches and you have Wonderluc & physical tests at the Combine. I'm sure Kurtenvach watched the Senior Bowl and maybe a bowl game on tv and some YouTube videos

i don't mean to judge but look at a picture of the kid? Does he look like he knows anything about football?

Engram has over Njoku are that he holds onto the ball and is already a solid route runner.

Bucky Brooks made a solid point that they don't really have time to wait on a developing somebody a bit more raw.

The only thing that is important to me is that Engram is a great TE for the NYG. I get it, comparing the two is natural, but its fodder for the unimportant. Both becoming great in not a mutually exclusive set and by all accounts both are good kids.

That's good enough for me.

Hopefully he can stay on the field, unlike Jordan Reed.

Dieter Kurtenbach = F

Liked Howard slightly better than Engram. He can be special with Eli and that cast

In comment 13449263 mphbullet36 said:

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In comment 13449252 Samiam said: Quote: I really would like to know how these football draft experts go about doing their jobs. I would guess that someone in the team front office, if not Reese himself, watched every game Engram played thus year and maybe all his time at Miss. I'll bet somebody talked to his coaches and you have Wonderluc & physical tests at the Combine. I'm sure Kurtenvach watched the Senior Bowl and maybe a bowl game on tv and some YouTube videos i don't mean to judge but look at a picture of the kid? Does he look like he knows anything about football?

No, he looks like he spends a lot of time in his mom's basement playing video games.

He's a nobody.

is a hack.

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Jacksonville Jaguars: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU Grade: C+ Fournette is a two-down back (an exceptional one, but still) who only fits into a few NFL offenses. Jacksonville is one of them. That said, they missed a good trade-down opportunity that could have improved their team in more than one way.

How on earth does he know that Jacksonville missed a "good trade-down opportunity"? How does he know Jacksonville received offers, or that they didn't try to make a trade? He's talking out of his ass. He then calls the #5 pick a reach but doesn't say they missed a trade opportunity.

The Chiefs get a D for trading up to get their man at QB but the Bears get an A- for trading up to get their man at QB.

And the piece de resistance

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Indianapolis Colts: Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State Grade: A The Colts could have taken any first-round-graded player except a quarterback and this would have been an A. Hooker is a first-round graded player who isn't a quarterback.

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So, not even 30, probably.

BWAHHHHHH

I don't think either one is going to be that much better than the other.

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for the Trubitsky pick? Credibility shot in my book....

While giving KC a D for Mahomes.

... Yeah, that Reese is such a fuck up. Kurtenbach knows way more than Reese. He writes for Fox Sports (or something like that) after all. All Reese has been doing is watching tape on these guys 24 hours a day for the last 5 months.

Kurtenbach knows way more....

With both Engram and Njoku.

For starters, Njoku isn't a, "significantly better" blocker. He only projects to be and then still only specifically against D-linemen

My observations of Engram and Njoku have been that on tape and in how they were described through the process, they both seem cool with being asked to block as being a primary part of their game. Both look good when when they square up and engage equal/smaller players.

Their biggest concern is also the same, they both wiff on more blocks than you'd like to see and in situations where they put themselves in positions to do better than the result that is there on the film.

Where they differ obviously is in their build and how they project forward over time. That is where my concern with Njoku comes in too, because despite being physically larger in just about every respect he would get tossed around like a rag doll by a number of collegiate defensive linemen. More so even than I noticed with Engram. Possibly because Engram tried to cut a lot more frequently in those situations but realistically Njoku can't be counted on to block bigger players out of the gate any more than Engram can. More to the point it was bad enough that I am not really sure how much 15-20 lbs is really going to help since more of the NFL dls are going to be about that much bigger than they were at the collegiate level likely with more functional strength gain than you could reasonalbly expect from a tight end.

Push comes to shove I probably take Njoku over Engram based on what I like at the position, but the idea that they aren't very close on the board, or that there is an objectively "right" pick between them is rediculous especially if you are making that distinction based solely on projected blocking ability.

Very similar in size/speed to Travis Beckum. He is ranked higher but Travis had a good draft analysis as well. He was not terrible but he did not translate to the NFL well.

I would rather have picked a taller and heavier TE.

But it is encouraging that Sy and Dave like him. So I'll wait and see.

don't spend the time on film and evaluations that scouts do.
It's a joke.
Dieter looks 12 and is a soccer fan.
He will be writing about another sport next week.

I am more concerned with Sy, Dave Te, and UK Giantsfan opinion.

Sportswriters are paid to give opinions and this guy gave his. Not everybody has to like the Giants' 1st RD pick and whether he liked or hated the pick, it's not going to have anything to do with Engram's actual performance.

But this guy is way off. I haven't seen one comparison of the top 3 TEs that didn't say Engram was a significantly better receiver and pass catCher that the other two. Njoku is not a significantly enter blocker. Better? Probably. But, not by a wide margin.

In comment 13449375 Johnny5 said:

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Very similar in size/speed to Travis Beckum. He is ranked higher but Travis had a good draft analysis as well. He was not terrible but he did not translate to the NFL well. I would rather have picked a taller and heavier TE. But it is encouraging that Sy and Dave like him. So I'll wait and see.

Travis came in day one and said he wasn't interested in blocking and wasn't interested it being a part of his game, but that he'd do what the coaches wanted. Engram is by leaps and bounds more physical, has a legit football player mentality. Two totally different players.

looks like what you would get if you mated a beaver with justin bieber

In comment 13449420 Giants_West said:

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Travis came in day one and said he wasn't interested in blocking and wasn't interested it being a part of his game, but that he'd do what the coaches wanted. Engram is by leaps and bounds more physical, has a legit football player mentality. Two totally different players.

Hmm, ok but even as a pass catcher, Beckum had more yards and catches in his senior year than Engram and everyone was high on him as an HB for us. They are also the same height. Just sayin... lol

was injured a lot if I remember correctly.

and most people here liked Njoku, catching was not his strongest suit. Engram has incredible hands. I'm sure Njoku will be a really solid player but with the Eli window we have, we can't afford for a playmaker to be learning how to catch and run.

Fuck the hat

then passed on Njoku...hmmm.

In comment 13449467 SHO'NUFF said:

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then passed on Njoku...hmmm.

And how do you know we wouldn't have passed on Njoku, too, if Engram was gone when we were up?

but what is relevant is Atlanta wanted a weapon like Engram and passed on Njoku.

Actually, I did read rumors about Njoku brushing a meeting with us off, so subsequently, we took him off our list.

And reportedly there was a scheduling conflict with us and Njoku, which is why the visit was cancelled.

I'm very excited but anything can happen

is that Reese himself said Engram's not a classic TE, he's more of an H-back, and that they drafted him because he's "a weapon."

So this writer is dismissing the pick as "preposterous" because Engram isn't a perfect fit -- for a position the Giants don't mean to play him at, and a role they don't expect to put him in most of the time.

The Giants have been known to try to fit square pegs in round holes before (Ron Dayne as the "Thunder" power back didn't work out so well.) but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

On the other hand, I give the writer credit for a very smart use of the word "preposterous," which comes from a Latin word for "in the wrong order."

the giants like thier guys to be smart and better route runners engram was the smarter and better route runner of the 2 ,faster too so they drafted to thier preference simple as that

within the giants system with all the other weapons around him engram will get alot of yards and hopefully alot of redzone points to boot he was more nfl ready than njoku the giants covet that attribute especially in the first and second rounds

too many people in the draft "expert" game make thier picks then criticize teams for not sharing thier scouting assessments. reese's early drafts were gang busters then they hit a bad patch were they reached for positions,drafted first round guys with injuries and relatives of successful nfl players and the drafts were ineffectual the last 2 or 3 drafts have been very good the last one was one of his best

they came out of the first 3 picks with 2 vital picks a move TE bbi has been screaming for for years,a day 1 starter at DT/NT to replace hankins and a QB they will try and develop to eventually replace eli in a few years at least they are making plans not giving up half a draft on an unknown commodity like cleveland and chicago has done

...after all the talk about Njoku 'blowing up the Combine' Engram had the better workout.

Engrams production dwarfs Njoku's and it isn't close.

Engram has the better hands when comparing drop rates.

Preposterous? I don't think he knows what the word means. Terrible analysis influenced by his personal bias for one player.

that coveted Engram.

Ask the beats...

both as a route runner and as a blocker. Physically he's obviously impressive, but so is Engram albeit in different ways. I'd have been happy with either play but I think it's a no-brainer that Engram is a more polished route runner day 1.

Tired of the position being a joke ....
I hope that Engram comes out of the gate strong and agree he
is more ready to contribute . I wanted Njoku no complaints.

In comment 13449375 Johnny5 said:

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Very similar in size/speed to Travis Beckum. He is ranked higher but Travis had a good draft analysis as well. He was not terrible but he did not translate to the NFL well. I would rather have picked a taller and heavier TE. But it is encouraging that Sy and Dave like him. So I'll wait and see.

Size yes. Speed, no.

but they are not in the same universe as receivers.

Another know nothing self proclaimed expert who looks like he's never been closer than the sidelines in any athletic endeavor... Deserves about as much credence as an ass pimple...

for a long time to come.