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New York Giants 2nd Round Pick: DT Dalvin Tomlinson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2017 8:50 pm
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Another DT who won't be on the team  
Reb8thVA : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
I don't know he'd be there  
bc4life : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
30 picks from now
HATE THIS PICK  
superspynyg : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
Injury concern. Cunningham will be a stud.
RE: RE: RE: I am sorry but you don't draft a guy with  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13450338 Essex said:
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2 ACLs. Forget the likelihood that he will reinjure it, isn't there like only 3 guys who ever came back from a 3rd. It is a 7th round flier, not a second round pick. Really disappointed



His last ACL was 2013. Since then: Tomlinson played end in 14 games as a reserve in 2014 (22 tackles, 5.5 for loss, two sacks) and as the top back-up for the 2015 national champions (34 tackles, six pass breakups).

He had his best season statistically for the Tide as a senior (62 stops, 5.5 TFL, three sacks, four PBU) as Nick Saban used him inside and outside on the team's multiple-look defense.





So what? You don't risk second round capital on it, talent and when it happened is almost irrelevant. He is one injury away from probably being done. Not an optimal decision, imo.


It's not 'so what'. He's a defensive lineman, not a wide receiver. It's potentially as irrelevant as 40 times for defensive tackles.
RE: seems like a good clog the middle player  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13450356 Steve in South Jersey said:
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but a bad fit next to Snacks.


This is completely false.
RE: Need Pick...  
Rflairr : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13450345 M.S. said:
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...good player.

But there was better value on the Board.


So what. They need to WIN NOW. With Eli
Not who I wanted  
GiantsLaw : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
But welcome to the Giants!
CBS had him at 6th best DT  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
I think of Mcdowell as more of a DE, so maybe that's 5th best DT, for DT, right ahead of my own pick for second round prior to first round of actual draft, Montravious Adams.

Slightly shorter, if healthy, possibly slightly more reliable as a plugger, interior piece, lower set, whereas Adams has an interesting play making upside visa vis batted passes and fumbles recovered etc, length and direction change.

But I will take it -if healthy- good logic here, to not waste the opportunity of existing DL talents.
RE: HATE THIS PICK  
Rflairr : 4/28/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13450393 superspynyg said:
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Injury concern. Cunningham will be a stud.


Guy hasn't been injured since 14. lol
4 years  
bc4life : 4/28/2017 9:11 pm : link
what do you expect in an era of FA?
RE: Another DT who won't be on the team  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13450391 Reb8thVA said:
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.


Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?

The Giants waited about 30 seconds before Harry Carson  
Marty in Albany : 4/28/2017 9:11 pm : link
announced the pick, so the Giants must really like him.
He will probably be good for us  
UberAlias : 4/28/2017 9:11 pm : link
Then we can let him walk and us a 2nd rounder to draft his replacement in a few years.
Hitdog  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/28/2017 9:12 pm : link
I have heard today that the player the gmen coveted in the 1st was the Missouri DE who the dolphins picked at 22.

have you heard anything like that?
So let me get this straight,  
prdave73 : 4/28/2017 9:12 pm : link
The Giants get big run stuffing DT's because they don't want anyone to run on them due to not having good linebackers and because Reese doesn't like drafting Quality linebackers..? Wow ok. Good strategy..
I love a bunch of guys on a message board talking about value  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:13 pm : link
based on a bunch of other internet guys opinions of him are.


Meanwhile both NFL Network and ESPN guys loved the pick. Most draft pundits on twitter love the pick.

But some BBIers didn't think it was good value because a bunch of no-nothing 'mock drafters' on various sites didn't have him going this early
RE: RE: Another DT who won't be on the team  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13450402 arcarsenal said:
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.



Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?



I liked Wormley, Watkins, Jaleel Johnson, Eddie Vanderdoes, Larry Ogunjobi and Montravius Adams more than Tomlinson.
'Oh, he'll be gone in 4 years'  
jcn56 : 4/28/2017 9:13 pm : link
What is it that you people don't understand about the salary cap?

Do you think we just like picking DTs over and over again, or just not realize that you can't pay a guy like Hankins $10M/yr for what he brought to the table instead of replacing him with a cheap 2nd round pick?
hitdog called this pick at 8:30 am  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/28/2017 9:13 pm : link
this morning on Blogger's thread
Was feeling good about the pick  
bluepepper : 4/28/2017 9:13 pm : link
until I saw this from Duggan
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McAdoo and Reese both start by saying Tomlinson is NFL ready.

Reuben Randle flashbacks...lol
RE: Hitdog  
hitdog42 : 4/28/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13450410 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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I have heard today that the player the gmen coveted in the 1st was the Missouri DE who the dolphins picked at 22.

have you heard anything like that?


I posted earlier after you mentioned
Absolutely not
RE: Hitdog  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13450410 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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I have heard today that the player the gmen coveted in the 1st was the Missouri DE who the dolphins picked at 22.

have you heard anything like that?


He responded yesterday to you - said Harris was not in the conversation - so your info doesn't look good
Great  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:14 pm : link
tweet from Raanan.

Tomlinson not here to do their taxes - ( New Window )
RE: He will probably be good for us  
jeff57 : 4/28/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13450405 UberAlias said:
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Then we can let him walk and us a 2nd rounder to draft his replacement in a few years.

Probably true
Giants needed a DT and pretty much had their choice  
ZogZerg : 4/28/2017 9:14 pm : link
I'll trust them on the review.
We had to get a DT that we can play this year. So, it was a good pick in my eyes.

Plus a stud wrestler and it sounds like a great kid. I'm happy to have him on the Giants.
Jcn  
UberAlias : 4/28/2017 9:15 pm : link
It was a joke. Relax.
If the knees hold up  
TMS : 4/28/2017 9:15 pm : link
he looks like a good replacement for Hankins. Happy to get that because we were solid last year against the run. Big body space eater to help Snacks collapse the pocket and bring pressure up the middle like last year. Three techniques are hard to find outside the top 15 picks in the draft.
RE: The Giants waited about 30 seconds before Harry Carson  
B in ALB : 4/28/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13450404 Marty in Albany said:
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announced the pick, so the Giants must really like him.


How do you know that?
To beat Dallas  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/28/2017 9:16 pm : link
You have to stop the run
RE: RE: Another DT who won't be on the team  
Reb8thVA : 4/28/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13450402 arcarsenal said:
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.



Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?


I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
Personal story is mighty impressive.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2017 9:18 pm : link
I can't say I was even remotely thinking about him as the pick. If he can line up over the nose, he might be the depth we need for Snacks... can't have him playing that same ridiculous amount of snaps.
Yeah, Reb. I too feel it's a bit of a waste of resources.  
yatqb : 4/28/2017 9:18 pm : link
But as jlukes says, it's the salary cap era.
If the time horizon is to only have this guy for 2 years  
32_Razor : 4/28/2017 9:18 pm : link
then I can see his pick. He eventually will have some problems with the knees as time goes on.
DT  
stretch234 : 4/28/2017 9:18 pm : link
You are going to battle Dallas for the division. You need run stuffing DT's. This guy was a decorated wrestler who knows leverage. He is not going ot be moved around. Like the pick

if healthy and as advertised  
idiotsavant : 4/28/2017 9:19 pm : link
the benefit is that you can switch he and Snacks interchangeably, which is helpful scheme wise as well as rotation wise.

in addition, this benefits the linebackers, particularly the quicker smaller ones,

in addition, if you want to go with extra d backs and even a 5-0-6, you need serious DTs up front to keep your Dbacks clean

again, I had Adams right here, but cannot argue the logic at all.
Great read  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/28/2017 9:19 pm : link
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Tomlinson the bad ass - ( New Window )
I mean if your are going  
Reb8thVA : 4/28/2017 9:20 pm : link
To deliberately follow that philosophy why draft one so high? Both Keith Hamilton and Cofield were fourth rounders if I remember correctly.
RE: RE: RE: Another DT who won't be on the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 9:21 pm : link
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.



Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?




I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.


You can't keep all your players. Your losses have to come from somewhere.
If you're a good team filling holes,  
81_Great_Dane : 4/28/2017 9:21 pm : link
you're going to overpay for the guys who fill those holes.

The Giants are behaving like a good team in that respect, arguably leaving better players on the board to fill needs, and taking their guys "early." Off an 11-win season, I can understand their thinking. Let's hope they're right.

Seems Like a  
Jim in Tampa : 4/28/2017 9:21 pm : link
Even though they're much different players.

Also, count me in as one of the guys that hate finding out about the pick on BBI, before Miami even announces their pick.

And before you say it...yes I know that I should just STFU and leave the site.

RE: RE: RE: Another DT who won't be on the team  
BillT : 4/28/2017 9:22 pm : link
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.



Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?




I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.

So you would have paid Hankins $11m/per to keep him.
Jeez  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/28/2017 9:23 pm : link
I was excited about the pick and then I read the comments above. SMH
From Snacks  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/28/2017 9:23 pm : link
"Welcome to the @Giants @DalvinTomlinson bring that hard hat and lunch pail...we hunt soon"

Love it
I'm not overwhelmed or underwhelmed by this pick.  
Ira : 4/28/2017 9:23 pm : link
He's a solid player who fills a need. He's nothing to get excited about, but he will stuff the run and make it difficult for qb's to step up into the pocket.
Guys  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 9:23 pm : link
Tomlinson has played 3 seasons since his last ACL. He's fine.
RE: RE: RE: Another DT who won't be on the team  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 9:23 pm : link
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.



Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?




I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.


It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.

Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?

Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
RE: From Snacks  
Ira : 4/28/2017 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13450472 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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"Welcome to the @Giants @DalvinTomlinson bring that hard hat and lunch pail...we hunt soon"

Love it


That's great.
Alright, on to Round 3  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:25 pm : link
My best available players (not counting the interior linemen because I didn't watch them):

DE Jordan Willis
CB/FS Desmond King
CB Rasul Douglas
CB Fabian Moreau
CB Cordrea Tankersley
RB Alvin Kamara
RB D'Onta Foreman
RB Samaje Perine
RB Kareem Hunt
RB Marlon Mack
RB Jeremy McNichols
RE: Jeez  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/28/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13450471 Ron Johnson 30 said:
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I was excited about the pick and then I read the comments above. SMH


Some people are unhappy with everything.

The guy started for Nick Saban on a top 2 team. He fills precisely the role Hankins had for about $8.5m less. Yes, he had injury issues three years ago, but no one is going to care about how an ACL robs a defensive tackle of running speed or vertical leap.
RE: From Snacks  
David in LA : 4/28/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13450472 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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"Welcome to the @Giants @DalvinTomlinson bring that hard hat and lunch pail...we hunt soon"

Love it


Snacks is already up there as one of my all time favorite Giants.
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