He’s a consistent and reliable tackler. Pro Football Focus says Tomlinson missed a total of three tackles over his entire college career, which is incredible. He’s a tough run stopper, but he’s underrated in terms of getting pressure on opposing quarterbacks.
His sack numbers aren’t gaudy. He had just three sacks over his three seasons at Bama. But he managed to rack up 70 quarterback hurries over that span, which is significant. Link - ( New Window )
In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?
I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.
Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?
Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
Ok then. But you don't have to keep investing 2nd rounders if you employ this strategy. I'm sorry I just have a different view on this and I know I'm not the only one
Every single guy that hates this pick are the same negative SOBs that hate everything Reese does. The same cast of characters. It must really suck to go through life so miserably. Good lord man.
In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?
I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.
Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?
Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
Ok then. But you don't have to keep investing 2nd rounders if you employ this strategy. I'm sorry I just have a different view on this and I know I'm not the only one
So, what do you propose they do? Spend later round picks on DT's who are much less likely to be starting-caliber players and contribute?
watch some of the video on youtube. guy hustles all the time, usually takes up two blockers, almost impossible for one guy to move him, good at keeping guys off his legs...
go watch the tape and come back and tell us what you don't like.
only thing he does consistently well in that area is bull rush. but he moves pretty well. against wisconsin rushed the passer than ran up and made a tackle on received 15 yards down the field.
outside of the injuries which are pretty far removed, I don't see the reason for hating this pick
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?
I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.
Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?
Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
Ok then. But you don't have to keep investing 2nd rounders if you employ this strategy. I'm sorry I just have a different view on this and I know I'm not the only one
So, what do you propose they do? Spend later round picks on DT's who are much less likely to be starting-caliber players and contribute?
Then what?
But it's ok to spend later round picks on other positions of need in other drafts on players that are "much less likely to be starting caliber players and contribute?"
and replace Hankins. His ACLs were years ago so the player they are getting they saw last year. All players are an injury away from being done. I trust they did their homework and feel this is the right guy for them. He's not a "talent" risk pick like Austin was. That's two big holes filled. Hopefully OL is next.
Thanks Ryan that was great. He seems like a great person and I can't think of another activity outside of football that would compliment his DL play then wrestling.
ACLS? Who gives a shit ... He is not a WR or DB. He is a DL for chrisakes. Like someone said above, He has played 3 full seasons since his last one.
Yes, he had injury issues three years ago, but no one is going to care about how an ACL robs a defensive tackle of running speed or vertical leap.
When asked about the really slow 40 yard time he had one year at camp, George Martin replied, "If I have to run 40 yards to tackle guys, we're not winning too many games anyway."
He's a solid player who fills a need. He's nothing to get excited about, but he will stuff the run and make it difficult for qb's to step up into the pocket.
... so he's pretty much everything you want in a defensive tackle?
Does not play like an NFL player. Can't engage and shed, instantly swallowed, painfully slow/lacks quick twitch, I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong, I don't have a trained eye by any stretch, but wow am I disappointed by this pick. Would have MUCH rather had Wormley if they are gonna go DT. Bummed. More bummed that Walker went 3 picks before us.
First, I hate we have to draft a player to,replace a player we could have signed.
Second, two ACL on same knee. Really?
Third, you mean to tell me there is no OT available halfway decent?
I just don't feel warm and fuzzy like I did last night.
"....we could have signed...." but wouldn't it have been for a lot more money?
JR seems to be able to continue to replace that position at reasonable salaries.
Tomlinson also seems more flexible than Hanks based on his Alabama experience (a 1 tech who can also play some 3 tech and DE). Spags likes to move his guys around.
We're getting a 3rd round pick for Hankins next year, plus saving ~8-9m/year against the cap. The Giants are playing this perfectly.
Think of it this way...we brought in Snacks as an outside free agent last year for zero draft equity. We let Hankins walk for a larger contract that will net us a 3rd round pick. Tomlinsons 2nd round contract + Snacks deal last year roughly equals what Hankins got in Free Agency. In essence we traded Hankins and a 2017 2nd round pick for Snack, Tomlinson and a 2018 3rd round pick. Looks fair to me.
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announced the pick, so the Giants must really like him.
This guy is a very good football player and was three-time State Wrestling Champion in High School. Forget the medical history from 3-4 years ago. He's going to start alongside Snacks from day one playing the 3-technique DT spot in our 4-3 defense. And, STOP with all the nonsense bringing up replacing Hankins already! Hankins is a 1-technique NT who can't get to the QB. This kid Tomlinson can! And, like most Alabama DT's to come out of Nick Saban's NFL stable, he's disruptive to shoot the gaps, can twist and stunt, and also play the run.
Forget Hankins, he's gone and was NOT a good fit in our D after we brought in Snacks last year!
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But it's ok to spend later round picks on other positions of need in other drafts on players that are "much less likely to be starting caliber players and contribute?"
I'm not really sure what you want them to do. Who did you want them to draft instead? DT was a legitimate need now that Hankins is gone and there was a good player there who filled that need so we took him.
Should we have forced a pick at another position even if the value wasn't there?
He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
Had had 70 QB hurries @ Alabama. It doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about this player considering how much you're complaining about him.
Does not play like an NFL player. Can't engage and shed, instantly swallowed, painfully slow/lacks quick twitch, I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong, I don't have a trained eye by any stretch, but wow am I disappointed by this pick. Would have MUCH rather had Wormley if they are gonna go DT. Bummed. More bummed that Walker went 3 picks before us.
Boo hoo. Those with a "trained eye" love him. Plug and play Hankins fill in for a fraction of the cost
2 impact players in 1st 2 rounds ... this is a good thing.
He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
Had had 70 QB hurries @ Alabama. It doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about this player considering how much you're complaining about him.
Does not play like an NFL player. Can't engage and shed, instantly swallowed, painfully slow/lacks quick twitch, I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong, I don't have a trained eye by any stretch, but wow am I disappointed by this pick. Would have MUCH rather had Wormley if they are gonna go DT. Bummed. More bummed that Walker went 3 picks before us.
Have you ever played DT? Have you ever coached DL?
Nope. Didn't think so. You sound ridiculous with all due respect.
Setting the tone that we cant be run on gives the D a proud identity and eventually demoralizes the other team.
In our division that is especially true.
In our division, where December games in open roof, windy Met Life are against division rivals; stopping the run is hard nosed essential.
Love the pick.
And if I was watching the Giants I would be much more concerned about Hankins declining play in a contract year when he played next to Snacks on a line with OV and JPP. What is with that mystery?
Rather a guy determined to make it happen then a guy who alligator armed in a year when it mattered.
He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
Had had 70 QB hurries @ Alabama. It doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about this player considering how much you're complaining about him.
Agreed, arc. Now we need O,line and CB.
Thank you! At least someone is doing their homework. 70 QB hurries as a rotational DT at Alabama that churns out defensive lineman like nobody's business! This kid can play and Giants fans are going to love him!
He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
except he does, but otherwise great point. Feel free to become a Jets fan.
How so? Listen I want be wrong, and if you're more knowledgeable about him, explain, no need to be a dick.
From what I've seen, he's a product of the players around him getting there. Consistently the 2nd or 3rd hit, can't get off blocks, his stunts are alright but he doesn't have the speed or quick twitch (to my untrained eye) to be able to execute at an NFL level. I just don't see it with this guy. Intangibles don't = talent.
Again, I don't claim to be a know it all, just a fan, but I'm not excited about the pick. If you wanna share what makes you excited about the pick in reference to his pass rush capabilities, I really would like to hear them. Like I said, no need for the nastiness.
In the grand scheme of things, DT is generally a position you are not busting the bank for.
I love HitDog
His sack numbers aren’t gaudy. He had just three sacks over his three seasons at Bama. But he managed to rack up 70 quarterback hurries over that span, which is significant.
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Love it
Snacks has become my favorite Giant.
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?
I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.
Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?
Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
Ok then. But you don't have to keep investing 2nd rounders if you employ this strategy. I'm sorry I just have a different view on this and I know I'm not the only one
I'm really surprised they left Wormley on the board there, I thought they'd love that kid.
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?
I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.
Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?
Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
Ok then. But you don't have to keep investing 2nd rounders if you employ this strategy. I'm sorry I just have a different view on this and I know I'm not the only one
So, what do you propose they do? Spend later round picks on DT's who are much less likely to be starting-caliber players and contribute?
Then what?
go watch the tape and come back and tell us what you don't like.
outside of the injuries which are pretty far removed, I don't see the reason for hating this pick
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In four years. He might turn out to be a very good player but it sure seems like we are spinning our wheels.
Did we not need to replace Jonathan Hankins?
I don't have a strong negative feeling toward Tomlinson but I do question the strategy or philosophy that seems to lead us to have to recycle DTs every four years. It's hard to get better at other positions when that is the case.
It's a necessary evil in the cap era. The Giants seem to feel they can continue to find replacement DT's every few years in the draft instead of re-upping a guy they already have. You can't pay every guy you draft when his rookie deal is up. It's just the nature of the league. You're going to lose talent somewhere and are going to need to replace it with a less costly player.
Not sure what people would rather do. Pay Hankins 10M a year so that we can draft another position but then get crunched somewhere else because we're now committed to Hankins?
Cap resources are finite. This is just how it goes.
Ok then. But you don't have to keep investing 2nd rounders if you employ this strategy. I'm sorry I just have a different view on this and I know I'm not the only one
So, what do you propose they do? Spend later round picks on DT's who are much less likely to be starting-caliber players and contribute?
Then what?
here's hotdog's post this morning:
tomlinson would be nice
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Thanks Ryan that was great. He seems like a great person and I can't think of another activity outside of football that would compliment his DL play then wrestling.
ACLS? Who gives a shit ... He is not a WR or DB. He is a DL for chrisakes. Like someone said above, He has played 3 full seasons since his last one.
...Round Two Need Pick.
When asked about the really slow 40 yard time he had one year at camp, George Martin replied, "If I have to run 40 yards to tackle guys, we're not winning too many games anyway."
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... so he's pretty much everything you want in a defensive tackle?
I feel better reading this. I hope his knee injuries don't bite us. I think that bothered me more than anything.
Second, two ACL on same knee. Really?
Third, you mean to tell me there is no OT available halfway decent?
I just don't feel warm and fuzzy like I did last night.
"....we could have signed...." but wouldn't it have been for a lot more money?
JR seems to be able to continue to replace that position at reasonable salaries.
Tomlinson also seems more flexible than Hanks based on his Alabama experience (a 1 tech who can also play some 3 tech and DE). Spags likes to move his guys around.
Think of it this way...we brought in Snacks as an outside free agent last year for zero draft equity. We let Hankins walk for a larger contract that will net us a 3rd round pick. Tomlinsons 2nd round contract + Snacks deal last year roughly equals what Hankins got in Free Agency. In essence we traded Hankins and a 2017 2nd round pick for Snack, Tomlinson and a 2018 3rd round pick. Looks fair to me.
This guy is a very good football player and was three-time State Wrestling Champion in High School. Forget the medical history from 3-4 years ago. He's going to start alongside Snacks from day one playing the 3-technique DT spot in our 4-3 defense. And, STOP with all the nonsense bringing up replacing Hankins already! Hankins is a 1-technique NT who can't get to the QB. This kid Tomlinson can! And, like most Alabama DT's to come out of Nick Saban's NFL stable, he's disruptive to shoot the gaps, can twist and stunt, and also play the run.
Forget Hankins, he's gone and was NOT a good fit in our D after we brought in Snacks last year!
But it's ok to spend later round picks on other positions of need in other drafts on players that are "much less likely to be starting caliber players and contribute?"
I'm not really sure what you want them to do. Who did you want them to draft instead? DT was a legitimate need now that Hankins is gone and there was a good player there who filled that need so we took him.
Should we have forced a pick at another position even if the value wasn't there?
Why take the risk? This guy is nothing special.
Had had 70 QB hurries @ Alabama. It doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about this player considering how much you're complaining about him.
A good run plugger and can get a good push in the pocket will be be tremendous for this defense.
Anyone know the first thing about a defense??? IT'S STOP THE RUN!!!
Boo hoo. Those with a "trained eye" love him. Plug and play Hankins fill in for a fraction of the cost
2 impact players in 1st 2 rounds ... this is a good thing.
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He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
Had had 70 QB hurries @ Alabama. It doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about this player considering how much you're complaining about him.
Agreed, arc. Now we need O,line and CB.
except he does, but otherwise great point. Feel free to become a Jets fan.
I'm liking this pick more and more ...
Have you ever played DT? Have you ever coached DL?
Nope. Didn't think so. You sound ridiculous with all due respect.
Ask Deshaun Watson for HIS opinion.:)
In our division that is especially true.
In our division, where December games in open roof, windy Met Life are against division rivals; stopping the run is hard nosed essential.
Love the pick.
And if I was watching the Giants I would be much more concerned about Hankins declining play in a contract year when he played next to Snacks on a line with OV and JPP. What is with that mystery?
Rather a guy determined to make it happen then a guy who alligator armed in a year when it mattered.
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He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
Had had 70 QB hurries @ Alabama. It doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about this player considering how much you're complaining about him.
Agreed, arc. Now we need O,line and CB.
Thank you! At least someone is doing their homework. 70 QB hurries as a rotational DT at Alabama that churns out defensive lineman like nobody's business! This kid can play and Giants fans are going to love him!
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He adds nothing to the pass rush. I'm just very disappointed.
except he does, but otherwise great point. Feel free to become a Jets fan.
How so? Listen I want be wrong, and if you're more knowledgeable about him, explain, no need to be a dick.
From what I've seen, he's a product of the players around him getting there. Consistently the 2nd or 3rd hit, can't get off blocks, his stunts are alright but he doesn't have the speed or quick twitch (to my untrained eye) to be able to execute at an NFL level. I just don't see it with this guy. Intangibles don't = talent.
Again, I don't claim to be a know it all, just a fan, but I'm not excited about the pick. If you wanna share what makes you excited about the pick in reference to his pass rush capabilities, I really would like to hear them. Like I said, no need for the nastiness.
169-2 in HS wrestling 3 time state champ!!!
Could have gone to Harvard academically, but chose Ala!!!!
Sign me up!!!
Those who like the way Jerry handled this also thought that David Wilson was a great first round pick.