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RE: What am I missing about Kamara?  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13450554 Anakim said:
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I think he could've gone in the first round and no one would've batted an eye. Same for Jordan Willis. I liked Willis a lot more than Charles Harris.


Off field stuff and fumbles is my guess
RE: Keep an eye out for these 2 OT  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13450560 Rick in Dallas said:
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Will Holden and Adam Biznowaty... Possible 3rd round picks for Giants.

Also like Derek Rivers edge rusher.


Rivers would be great.
RE: RE: Some OL names  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13450565 Big Blue '56 said:
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Conor McDermott - OT/UCLA
Will Holden - OT/OG - Vanderbilt
Dan Feeney - OG/Indiana
Isaac Asiata - OG/Utah
Dorian Johnson - OG/Pittsburgh



What about Garcia? Is he off the board?


I like Garcia but he has trouble keeping weight on.
RE: RE: What am I missing about Kamara?  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13450566 Amtoft said:
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I think he could've gone in the first round and no one would've batted an eye. Same for Jordan Willis. I liked Willis a lot more than Charles Harris.



Off field stuff and fumbles is my guess


Didn't stop Cook and Kamara is like Cook-lite.
RE: What am I missing about Kamara?  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13450554 Anakim said:
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I think he could've gone in the first round and no one would've batted an eye. Same for Jordan Willis. I liked Willis a lot more than Charles Harris.


Polian was on ESPN the other day and had Willis as his biggest surprise of the draft and said he should go at the end of the first round.

And a lot of people thought Kamara could go middle of the 2nd at the worst. So weird
2 OTs in a row to end round 2  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/28/2017 9:41 pm : link
... Dawkins and Morton
RE: RE: Name  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13450561 Amtoft said:
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to watch:

Deashon Hall. Texas AM. Garrett's teammate. Up and coming DE. Classic Giants 4-3 DE.



He is so over rated on this site. This guy never makes plays. Don't get the love at all.


Sy's write up:

8 – Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M: 78

Summary: Four year contributor that made a full time position move from outside linebacker to defensive end in 2015. Hall still has some rawness to his game but the tools and ability cannot be overlooked. He has some of the best natural talent and overall upside in the entire class. His strength needs to catch up to his weight gain but when it does, every other trait is ready to go. Hall has uncanny bend-ability and straight line explosion, making him a nightmare for any blocker. His versatility as an inside-outside rusher could really get a defensive coordinator excited. Enormous upside.

*I’ve been back and forth on Hall a few times. Whenever I would scout Garrett, I kept noting that the guy on the other side of the line was quite the tools-rich prospect himself. They looked like two NFL DEs playing against college kids. Upon further review, I noticed that Hall lacked a physical presence when engaged with blockers. He didn’t get much push and struggled to disengage from quality players. I really saw this at the Senior Bowl. Re-watching some of his game tapes I noticed some of the same things. His talent and upside are high, but I wish I saw some more physical play from him. This is a guy NYG will have a high grade on.

Upside Pro Comparison: Michael Johnson – CIN
RE: RE: RE: What am I missing about Kamara?  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13450573 Anakim said:
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I think he could've gone in the first round and no one would've batted an eye. Same for Jordan Willis. I liked Willis a lot more than Charles Harris.



Off field stuff and fumbles is my guess



Didn't stop Cook and Kamara is like Cook-lite.


Cook is top 10 talent and went second round. Same with Mixon. Both better than Kamara who is good but in a group below
Latest breadcrumbs from hitdog for round 3?  
bigbluehoya : 4/28/2017 9:43 pm : link
At this point I'm pretty sure his source is Jerry Reese himself.
Saints  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:44 pm : link
take Kamara.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What am I missing about Kamara?  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13450581 Amtoft said:
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I think he could've gone in the first round and no one would've batted an eye. Same for Jordan Willis. I liked Willis a lot more than Charles Harris.



Off field stuff and fumbles is my guess



Didn't stop Cook and Kamara is like Cook-lite.



Cook is top 10 talent and went second round. Same with Mixon. Both better than Kamara who is good but in a group below


True. Still, Kamara has no business being around at this point.
I don't think  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 9:44 pm : link
NYG is going with a pure DE here. I think they could beef up pass rush but it will be an interior guy OR a pass rushing LB
Why  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2017 9:44 pm : link
the hell did the Saints just take Kamara.

Are they trading Ingram? Makes no sense.
RE: RE: RE: Name  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13450580 AcidTest said:
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to watch:

Deashon Hall. Texas AM. Garrett's teammate. Up and coming DE. Classic Giants 4-3 DE.



He is so over rated on this site. This guy never makes plays. Don't get the love at all.



Sy's write up:

8 – Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M: 78

Summary: Four year contributor that made a full time position move from outside linebacker to defensive end in 2015. Hall still has some rawness to his game but the tools and ability cannot be overlooked. He has some of the best natural talent and overall upside in the entire class. His strength needs to catch up to his weight gain but when it does, every other trait is ready to go. Hall has uncanny bend-ability and straight line explosion, making him a nightmare for any blocker. His versatility as an inside-outside rusher could really get a defensive coordinator excited. Enormous upside.

*I’ve been back and forth on Hall a few times. Whenever I would scout Garrett, I kept noting that the guy on the other side of the line was quite the tools-rich prospect himself. They looked like two NFL DEs playing against college kids. Upon further review, I noticed that Hall lacked a physical presence when engaged with blockers. He didn’t get much push and struggled to disengage from quality players. I really saw this at the Senior Bowl. Re-watching some of his game tapes I noticed some of the same things. His talent and upside are high, but I wish I saw some more physical play from him. This is a guy NYG will have a high grade on.

Upside Pro Comparison: Michael Johnson – CIN


And? He is over rated by Sy then. No offense to him he is right some and wrong some. Even he was like i am back and forth and the reason why is because he doesnt make any plays!
Would the Giants actually go for Webb if available  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
by their pick? Would he be worth it?
How many RBs do they need?  
ZogZerg : 4/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
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Mark Ingram is probably on the market.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
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So the Saints  
SimpleMan : 4/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
have AP, Ingram, and now Kamara?

Maybe they cut ties with Ingram? Weird pick.
Saints trade a 2nd round pick next year  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
to get Kamara at the top of the 3rd

Saints needed a 3rd down back and they got a good one here
Jesus, the Saints take another one of my guys  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:45 pm : link
Ramczyk, Marcus Williams and now Kamara. And Lattimore too. Amazing draft for the Saints.
RE: So the Saints  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13450594 SimpleMan said:
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have AP, Ingram, and now Kamara?

Maybe they cut ties with Ingram? Weird pick.


AP and Ingram are not threats as receivers out of the backfield
RE: Would the Giants actually go for Webb if available  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13450591 Big Blue '56 said:
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by their pick? Would he be worth it?


God I hope not
Man someone gonna get a major steal  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
with Wormley and King
RE: Why  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13450589 Jon in NYC said:
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the hell did the Saints just take Kamara.

Are they trading Ingram? Makes no sense.


AP may be done. You dont pass on talent in the 3rd because of a 32 old RB and Ingram is probably only one year left if they dont trade him
RE: RE: RE: RE: Name  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13450590 Amtoft said:
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to watch:

Deashon Hall. Texas AM. Garrett's teammate. Up and coming DE. Classic Giants 4-3 DE.



He is so over rated on this site. This guy never makes plays. Don't get the love at all.



Sy's write up:

8 – Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M: 78

Summary: Four year contributor that made a full time position move from outside linebacker to defensive end in 2015. Hall still has some rawness to his game but the tools and ability cannot be overlooked. He has some of the best natural talent and overall upside in the entire class. His strength needs to catch up to his weight gain but when it does, every other trait is ready to go. Hall has uncanny bend-ability and straight line explosion, making him a nightmare for any blocker. His versatility as an inside-outside rusher could really get a defensive coordinator excited. Enormous upside.

*I’ve been back and forth on Hall a few times. Whenever I would scout Garrett, I kept noting that the guy on the other side of the line was quite the tools-rich prospect himself. They looked like two NFL DEs playing against college kids. Upon further review, I noticed that Hall lacked a physical presence when engaged with blockers. He didn’t get much push and struggled to disengage from quality players. I really saw this at the Senior Bowl. Re-watching some of his game tapes I noticed some of the same things. His talent and upside are high, but I wish I saw some more physical play from him. This is a guy NYG will have a high grade on.

Upside Pro Comparison: Michael Johnson – CIN



And? He is over rated by Sy then. No offense to him he is right some and wrong some. Even he was like i am back and forth and the reason why is because he doesnt make any plays!


Upside. But the chances of him being the pick are small, and I still prefer Asiata, Rivers, or Webb.
I'd trade a fifth or a sixth for Ingram  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:46 pm : link
:)
what pick are we on? can someone copy the last 10 picks or so  
DCPollaro : 4/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
for me? on a flight right now and being charged by the MB and all the live draft trackers are not good for this. fucking TAP Portugal!!

i say hold off on RB for now.
RE: RE: So the Saints  
SimpleMan : 4/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13450599 jlukes said:
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have AP, Ingram, and now Kamara?

Maybe they cut ties with Ingram? Weird pick.



AP and Ingram are not threats as receivers out of the backfield


Fair point, just seems like a crowded backfield. There were Ingram trade rumors so maybe they are just not very high on him.
RE: Man someone gonna get a major steal  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13450603 Sy'56 said:
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with Wormley and King


Agreed
RE: Jesus, the Saints take another one of my guys  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13450598 Anakim said:
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Ramczyk, Marcus Williams and now Kamara. And Lattimore too. Amazing draft for the Saints.


I picked Ramczyk, Kamara and Tomlinson in the 1st three rounds for the Broncos in our mock.
Kamara ia gonna catch 60+ passes  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 9:47 pm : link
in that offense.
Jaguars  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:48 pm : link
take Smoot. Rams take Kupp. More trades.
RE: what pick are we on? can someone copy the last 10 picks or so  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13450609 DCPollaro said:
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for me? on a flight right now and being charged by the MB and all the live draft trackers are not good for this. fucking TAP Portugal!!

i say hold off on RB for now.


2 23 55 New York Giants Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama
2 24 56 Oakland Raiders Obi Melifonwu S UConn
2 25 57 Houston Texans Zach Cunningham LB Vanderbilt
2 26 58 Seattle Seahawks Ethan Pocic C LSU
2 27 59 Kansas City Chiefs Tanoh Kpassagnon DE Villanova
2 28 60 Dallas Cowboys Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
2 29 61 Green Bay Packers Josh Jones S NC State
2 30 62 Pittsburgh Steelers JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC
2 31 63 Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins OL Temple
2 32 64 Carolina Panthers Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan


3rd round
65: Cleveland Browns: Larry Ogunjobi, DL, Charlotte

66: San Francisco 49ers: Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado

67: New Orleans Saints: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee

68: Jacksonville Jaguars: Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois

69: Los Angeles Rams: Connor Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington
RE: RE: Jesus, the Saints take another one of my guys  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13450613 jlukes said:
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Ramczyk, Marcus Williams and now Kamara. And Lattimore too. Amazing draft for the Saints.



I picked Ramczyk, Kamara and Tomlinson in the 1st three rounds for the Broncos in our mock.



Haha, I came close with the Bears one year too. I drafted Kevin White and Hroniss Grasu.
RE: RE: Would the Giants actually go for Webb if available  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13450600 Anakim said:
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by their pick? Would he be worth it?



God I hope not


Me too
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Name  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13450606 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13450561 Amtoft said:


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to watch:

Deashon Hall. Texas AM. Garrett's teammate. Up and coming DE. Classic Giants 4-3 DE.



He is so over rated on this site. This guy never makes plays. Don't get the love at all.



Sy's write up:

8 – Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M: 78

Summary: Four year contributor that made a full time position move from outside linebacker to defensive end in 2015. Hall still has some rawness to his game but the tools and ability cannot be overlooked. He has some of the best natural talent and overall upside in the entire class. His strength needs to catch up to his weight gain but when it does, every other trait is ready to go. Hall has uncanny bend-ability and straight line explosion, making him a nightmare for any blocker. His versatility as an inside-outside rusher could really get a defensive coordinator excited. Enormous upside.

*I’ve been back and forth on Hall a few times. Whenever I would scout Garrett, I kept noting that the guy on the other side of the line was quite the tools-rich prospect himself. They looked like two NFL DEs playing against college kids. Upon further review, I noticed that Hall lacked a physical presence when engaged with blockers. He didn’t get much push and struggled to disengage from quality players. I really saw this at the Senior Bowl. Re-watching some of his game tapes I noticed some of the same things. His talent and upside are high, but I wish I saw some more physical play from him. This is a guy NYG will have a high grade on.

Upside Pro Comparison: Michael Johnson – CIN



And? He is over rated by Sy then. No offense to him he is right some and wrong some. Even he was like i am back and forth and the reason why is because he doesnt make any plays!



Upside. But the chances of him being the pick are small, and I still prefer Asiata, Rivers, or Webb.


I will put it this way.. i would draft Damonte again before Hall. He never shows up. Dont believe me go watch their games.
Vikings  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:49 pm : link
take Elflein.
What  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2017 9:50 pm : link
do we think about D'Onta Foreman?
Rasul Douglas  
area junc : 4/28/2017 9:51 pm : link
would be a great pick. Perfect scheme fit
It's one thing to make good picks but it's  
nicky43 : 4/28/2017 9:51 pm : link
another thing to ignore your biggest need. I can believe he didn't go OL in round 2. JR just doesn't understand the value of a good o-line.

Yea, he's put a priority on grabbing a OL guy in high rounds but only when the need was so critical that we actually needed three upgrades on the line so we keep playing from behind as far as fixing the o-line. And at this rate it will never be fixed. It's already been shit for 4 years in a row!

We really need more than one upgrade on the line too.
Thank goodness  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:51 pm : link
I did not want DE Smoot. Would love Willis tho! Oh and Webb is a perfect pick for us. He works and studies like a Manning and can sit and learn!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Name  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13450621 Amtoft said:
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Deashon Hall. Texas AM. Garrett's teammate. Up and coming DE. Classic Giants 4-3 DE.



He is so over rated on this site. This guy never makes plays. Don't get the love at all.



Sy's write up:

8 – Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M: 78

Summary: Four year contributor that made a full time position move from outside linebacker to defensive end in 2015. Hall still has some rawness to his game but the tools and ability cannot be overlooked. He has some of the best natural talent and overall upside in the entire class. His strength needs to catch up to his weight gain but when it does, every other trait is ready to go. Hall has uncanny bend-ability and straight line explosion, making him a nightmare for any blocker. His versatility as an inside-outside rusher could really get a defensive coordinator excited. Enormous upside.

*I’ve been back and forth on Hall a few times. Whenever I would scout Garrett, I kept noting that the guy on the other side of the line was quite the tools-rich prospect himself. They looked like two NFL DEs playing against college kids. Upon further review, I noticed that Hall lacked a physical presence when engaged with blockers. He didn’t get much push and struggled to disengage from quality players. I really saw this at the Senior Bowl. Re-watching some of his game tapes I noticed some of the same things. His talent and upside are high, but I wish I saw some more physical play from him. This is a guy NYG will have a high grade on.

Upside Pro Comparison: Michael Johnson – CIN



And? He is over rated by Sy then. No offense to him he is right some and wrong some. Even he was like i am back and forth and the reason why is because he doesnt make any plays!



Upside. But the chances of him being the pick are small, and I still prefer Asiata, Rivers, or Webb.



I will put it this way.. i would draft Damonte again before Hall. He never shows up. Dont believe me go watch their games.


Difference of opinion. Saw Texas AM games. 3rd/4th is where Hall should go.
RE: Thank goodness  
Jon in NYC : 4/28/2017 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13450635 Amtoft said:
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I did not want DE Smoot. Would love Willis tho! Oh and Webb is a perfect pick for us. He works and studies like a Manning and can sit and learn!


Agreed. Would love Willis or Webb here.
RE: Vikings  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13450622 AcidTest said:
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take Elflein.


Damn that was my top guy because be can play LG, C, and RG. With so many on 1 year contracts he would have started for us at least next year
I'm guessing Jordan Willis and Carl Lawson have medical issues  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:53 pm : link
Lawson has some durability issues. Not sure about Willis.
Dottino and Banks  
Chris684 : 4/28/2017 9:53 pm : link
Both mentioned RBs in radio appearances this week.

Dottino mentioned Perine specifically. I'm keeping an eye on that.
RE: RE: what pick are we on? can someone copy the last 10 picks or so  
DCPollaro : 4/28/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13450618 jlukes said:
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for me? on a flight right now and being charged by the MB and all the live draft trackers are not good for this. fucking TAP Portugal!!

i say hold off on RB for now.



2 23 55 New York Giants Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama
2 24 56 Oakland Raiders Obi Melifonwu S UConn
2 25 57 Houston Texans Zach Cunningham LB Vanderbilt
2 26 58 Seattle Seahawks Ethan Pocic C LSU
2 27 59 Kansas City Chiefs Tanoh Kpassagnon DE Villanova
2 28 60 Dallas Cowboys Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
2 29 61 Green Bay Packers Josh Jones S NC State
2 30 62 Pittsburgh Steelers JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC
2 31 63 Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins OL Temple
2 32 64 Carolina Panthers Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan


3rd round
65: Cleveland Browns: Larry Ogunjobi, DL, Charlotte

66: San Francisco 49ers: Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado

67: New Orleans Saints: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee

68: Jacksonville Jaguars: Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois

69: Los Angeles Rams: Connor Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington


thanks lukes! who is king that SY is referencing? thought king went 33?

8.85 MB left. spent 40 bucks on 40 mb so far lol
best remaining?  
Reale01 : 4/28/2017 9:54 pm : link
84 DE Jordan Willis – 6’5/250 – Kansas State
84 DT Chris Wormley – Michigan – 6’5/298
83 S Desmond King – 5’11/200- Iowa
80 CB Fabian Moreau – 6’0/206 – UCLA
80 DT Caleb Brantley – 6’3/307 – Florida
80 G/C Isaac Asiata – 6’3/335 – Utah
80 OT Conor McDermott – 6’8/307 – UCLA
80 RB Kareem Hunt – 5’11/216 – Toledo
80 WR ArDarius Stewart – 5’11/204 – Alabama
79 CB Jourdan Lewis – 5’10/186 – Michigan
79 G/C Dan Feeney – 6’4/305 – Indiana
79 S John Johnson – 6’0/202 – Boston College
79 WR Chad Hansen – 6’2/202 – California
78 DE Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M
78 DT Montravius Adams – 6’4/304 – Auburn
78 G/C Dorian Johnson – 6’5/300 – Pittsburgh
78 LB Samson Ebukam – 6’2/240 – Eastern Washington
78 OT Will Holden – 6’7/311 – Vanderbilt
78 RB Marlon Mack – 5’11/213 – South Florida
78 TE Jordan Leggett – 6’5/258 – Clemson
78 WR Dede Westbrook – 6’0/176 – Oklahoma
RE: What  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13450626 Jon in NYC said:
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do we think about D'Onta Foreman?


He's on my list, but I like Perine, Mack and Hunt more. For someone so big, Foreman dances around too much for my taste. If he learned to be an in-between tackles runner, he could very good.
Garcia from Troy is still there  
PatersonPlank : 4/28/2017 9:54 pm : link
So is Feeney, Asiata, and McDermott
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