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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2017 9:22 pm
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Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:54 pm : link
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to watch:

Deashon Hall. Texas AM. Garrett's teammate. Up and coming DE. Classic Giants 4-3 DE.



He is so over rated on this site. This guy never makes plays. Don't get the love at all.



Sy's write up:

8 – Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M: 78

Summary: Four year contributor that made a full time position move from outside linebacker to defensive end in 2015. Hall still has some rawness to his game but the tools and ability cannot be overlooked. He has some of the best natural talent and overall upside in the entire class. His strength needs to catch up to his weight gain but when it does, every other trait is ready to go. Hall has uncanny bend-ability and straight line explosion, making him a nightmare for any blocker. His versatility as an inside-outside rusher could really get a defensive coordinator excited. Enormous upside.

*I’ve been back and forth on Hall a few times. Whenever I would scout Garrett, I kept noting that the guy on the other side of the line was quite the tools-rich prospect himself. They looked like two NFL DEs playing against college kids. Upon further review, I noticed that Hall lacked a physical presence when engaged with blockers. He didn’t get much push and struggled to disengage from quality players. I really saw this at the Senior Bowl. Re-watching some of his game tapes I noticed some of the same things. His talent and upside are high, but I wish I saw some more physical play from him. This is a guy NYG will have a high grade on.

Upside Pro Comparison: Michael Johnson – CIN



And? He is over rated by Sy then. No offense to him he is right some and wrong some. Even he was like i am back and forth and the reason why is because he doesnt make any plays!



Upside. But the chances of him being the pick are small, and I still prefer Asiata, Rivers, or Webb.



I will put it this way.. i would draft Damonte again before Hall. He never shows up. Dont believe me go watch their games.



Difference of opinion. Saw Texas AM games. 3rd/4th is where Hall should go.


True... i am wrong all the time. Just hate players that dont make plays. If you can't make plays in college how can you in the NFL
RE: RE: RE: what pick are we on? can someone copy the last 10 picks or so  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:54 pm : link
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for me? on a flight right now and being charged by the MB and all the live draft trackers are not good for this. fucking TAP Portugal!!

i say hold off on RB for now.



2 23 55 New York Giants Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama
2 24 56 Oakland Raiders Obi Melifonwu S UConn
2 25 57 Houston Texans Zach Cunningham LB Vanderbilt
2 26 58 Seattle Seahawks Ethan Pocic C LSU
2 27 59 Kansas City Chiefs Tanoh Kpassagnon DE Villanova
2 28 60 Dallas Cowboys Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
2 29 61 Green Bay Packers Josh Jones S NC State
2 30 62 Pittsburgh Steelers JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC
2 31 63 Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins OL Temple
2 32 64 Carolina Panthers Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan


3rd round
65: Cleveland Browns: Larry Ogunjobi, DL, Charlotte

66: San Francisco 49ers: Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado

67: New Orleans Saints: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee

68: Jacksonville Jaguars: Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois

69: Los Angeles Rams: Connor Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington



thanks lukes! who is king that SY is referencing? thought king went 33?

8.85 MB left. spent 40 bucks on 40 mb so far lol



CB/FS Desmond King of Iowa
RE: best remaining?  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/28/2017 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13450648 Reale01 said:
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84 DE Jordan Willis – 6’5/250 – Kansas State
84 DT Chris Wormley – Michigan – 6’5/298
83 S Desmond King – 5’11/200- Iowa
80 CB Fabian Moreau – 6’0/206 – UCLA
80 DT Caleb Brantley – 6’3/307 – Florida
80 G/C Isaac Asiata – 6’3/335 – Utah
80 OT Conor McDermott – 6’8/307 – UCLA
80 RB Kareem Hunt – 5’11/216 – Toledo
80 WR ArDarius Stewart – 5’11/204 – Alabama
79 CB Jourdan Lewis – 5’10/186 – Michigan
79 G/C Dan Feeney – 6’4/305 – Indiana
79 S John Johnson – 6’0/202 – Boston College
79 WR Chad Hansen – 6’2/202 – California
78 DE Daeshon Hall – 6’6/260 – Texas A& M
78 DT Montravius Adams – 6’4/304 – Auburn
78 G/C Dorian Johnson – 6’5/300 – Pittsburgh
78 LB Samson Ebukam – 6’2/240 – Eastern Washington
78 OT Will Holden – 6’7/311 – Vanderbilt
78 RB Marlon Mack – 5’11/213 – South Florida
78 TE Jordan Leggett – 6’5/258 – Clemson
78 WR Dede Westbrook – 6’0/176 – Oklahoma


a lot of good players there -- Giants gonna get a good one in the third!
Surprised about Wormley too  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 9:55 pm : link
He's versatile and has off-the-charts intangibles
RE: It's one thing to make good picks but it's  
Diver_Down : 4/28/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13450634 nicky43 said:
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another thing to ignore your biggest need. I can believe he didn't go OL in round 2. JR just doesn't understand the value of a good o-line.

Yea, he's put a priority on grabbing a OL guy in high rounds but only when the need was so critical that we actually needed three upgrades on the line so we keep playing from behind as far as fixing the o-line. And at this rate it will never be fixed. It's already been shit for 4 years in a row!

We really need more than one upgrade on the line too.


Welcome to Jerry-ball.
RE: I'm guessing Jordan Willis and Carl Lawson have medical issues  
jlukes : 4/28/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13450642 Anakim said:
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Lawson has some durability issues. Not sure about Willis.


No injury or off-field issues for Willis.

Mayock mocked him to Pittsburgh in the 1st round! I don't get it!
If i am Chargers i go  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:56 pm : link
Wormsley. Think that is a good fit for them
Sy'56,Willis?  
Marty866b : 4/28/2017 9:57 pm : link
Can't believe he is still out there. Solid against the run and can rush the passer at 6-4,255 with a 4.57 40 time. Supposed to be a good kid and team leader. Very productive. Sy,why has he not been taken?
Man Lynch is just fleecing these teams  
Rflairr : 4/28/2017 9:57 pm : link
lol
My very short list  
Mike in NY : 4/28/2017 9:58 pm : link
Feeney
Asiata
Willis

I also love the DB's (Desmond King, Cordrea Tankersley, Fabian Moreau)
Lynch appears to be a good GM already.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/28/2017 9:58 pm : link
49ers lucked out.
RE: RE: I'm guessing Jordan Willis and Carl Lawson have medical issues  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 9:58 pm : link
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Lawson has some durability issues. Not sure about Willis.



No injury or off-field issues for Willis.

Mayock mocked him to Pittsburgh in the 1st round! I don't get it!


He is a little light for a 4-3 DE but he is so much better than Charles Harris. He should have been taken and hey why not Giants... great kid
Giants might go RB  
Rflairr : 4/28/2017 9:59 pm : link
Perrine or Freeman?
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nicky43 : 4/28/2017 9:59 pm : link
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another thing to ignore your biggest need. I can believe he didn't go OL in round 2. JR just doesn't understand the value of a good o-line.

Yea, he's put a priority on grabbing a OL guy in high rounds but only when the need was so critical that we actually needed three upgrades on the line so we keep playing from behind as far as fixing the o-line. And at this rate it will never be fixed. It's already been shit for 4 years in a row!

We really need more than one upgrade on the line too.



Welcome to Jerry-ball.


I've been frustrated by Jerry ball for 4 years now. The thing that gets me is that the need is so obvious to anyone.
Damn  
Mike in NY : 4/28/2017 10:00 pm : link
There goes Feeney
So the Chargers get both Feeney and Forrest Lamp  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 10:00 pm : link
Interesting.
Willis  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/28/2017 10:01 pm : link
To bengals
SD  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 10:01 pm : link
being smart in this draft.
RE: Willis  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13450678 CromartiesKid21 said:
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To bengals


Damn... nice pick there.
I saw Feeney as a JAG LG in gthe pros.  
yatqb : 4/28/2017 10:02 pm : link
Solidish, but nothing to excite me too much.
RE: So the Chargers get both Feeney and Forrest Lamp  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13450677 Anakim said:
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Interesting.


I think Lamp can play LT. His short arms are being marked to much. They are longer than Pugh and he was better than Pugh at tackle in college.
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Diver_Down : 4/28/2017 10:03 pm : link
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another thing to ignore your biggest need. I can believe he didn't go OL in round 2. JR just doesn't understand the value of a good o-line.

Yea, he's put a priority on grabbing a OL guy in high rounds but only when the need was so critical that we actually needed three upgrades on the line so we keep playing from behind as far as fixing the o-line. And at this rate it will never be fixed. It's already been shit for 4 years in a row!

We really need more than one upgrade on the line too.



Welcome to Jerry-ball.



I've been frustrated by Jerry ball for 4 years now. The thing that gets me is that the need is so obvious to anyone.


As Jerry sees it, the need is for Eli to get the ball out faster. Eli averages 2.38 seconds, now. Ben and Jerry want Eli to quit wasting so much time as the ball needs to be in the playmaker's hands and not some old, hang-dog looking, stand-in-the-pocket passer. If Eli can get his release to 1.5 seconds, Championship!
There goes all the...  
M.S. : 4/28/2017 10:03 pm : link
...offensive linemen.

But don't worry.

Jerry will take real good care of this unit.
Ohhhh  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 10:04 pm : link
Love Taywon Taylor! He is fun to watch
Willis  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
to the Bengals. Pipe dream to have expected him to last to our third round pick.
Could Wormley fall?  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
Get on that and this DL is STACKED
...  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
Alex Anzalone to Saints

RE: There goes all the...  
Mike in NY : 4/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13450694 M.S. said:
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...offensive linemen.

But don't worry.

Jerry will take real good care of this unit.


Asiata is still there. Otherwise I really like DB's left
Not counting the O-Linemen,  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
My top guys available right now are:


FS/CB Desmond King of Iowa
RB Samaje Perine of Oklahoma
RB Kareem Hunt of Toledo
RB Marlon Mack of South Florida
CB Fabian Moreau of UCLA (he's injured though) - wildcard. Don't know his recovery time.
Still quite a few good names out there  
bigblue12 : 4/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
Carl Lawson
Antonio Garcia
Dorian Johnson
Jourdan Lewis
Tim Williams
Desmond King
Duke Riley
Fabian Moreau
Derek Rivers
Samaje Perine
Isaac Asiata
RE: Could Wormley fall?  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13450697 Sy'56 said:
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Get on that and this DL is STACKED


Why is he falling? He's productive, versatile and has amazing intangibles.
RE: Sy'56,Willis?  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13450663 Marty866b said:
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Can't believe he is still out there. Solid against the run and can rush the passer at 6-4,255 with a 4.57 40 time. Supposed to be a good kid and team leader. Very productive. Sy,why has he not been taken?


He has some pedestrian tape...and showed a lack of power presence at Senior Bowl. Perhaps some teams question if he can add weight.
How about...  
jnoble : 4/28/2017 10:06 pm : link
..RB James Conner? Tall for a RB, could be a power runner we lack
RE: Could Wormley fall?  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13450697 Sy'56 said:
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Get on that and this DL is STACKED


Wormley played DE in a 4-3 last year. He can move around and i think we need 2 DTs in this draft.
RE: There goes all the...  
jnoble : 4/28/2017 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13450694 M.S. said:
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...offensive linemen.

But don't worry.

Jerry will take real good care of this unit.


Not sure if serious....
RE: How about...  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13450706 jnoble said:
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..RB James Conner? Tall for a RB, could be a power runner we lack


I think he goes in Round 5. That's my guess
RE: RE: Could Wormley fall?  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 10:07 pm : link
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Get on that and this DL is STACKED



Why is he falling? He's productive, versatile and has amazing intangibles.


Never know. Could be a medical red flag that we don't know about.

If he is there...it's not even a thought.
Anakim  
old man : 4/28/2017 10:08 pm : link
They lost 2 OL, plus new locale, and going cheap.
Wormley  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 10:08 pm : link
to the Ravens. Sorry BBIers.
RE: RE: How about...  
jnoble : 4/28/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13450710 Anakim said:
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..RB James Conner? Tall for a RB, could be a power runner we lack



I think he goes in Round 5. That's my guess


I thought he was ranked as a 3rd or 4th
RE: How about...  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/28/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13450706 jnoble said:
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..RB James Conner? Tall for a RB, could be a power runner we lack


Rather grab Perrine. Kind is a monster and I think a bit better. Connor is such a great story hard not to root for him too. Rather grab Asiata though. Kicks Jerry to the bench and insurance if as many believe Pugh is too rich to re-sign
We all know Reese  
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2017 10:08 pm : link
Went to Vanderbilt pro day but perhaps it was to get a look at Holden. Sy - what do you think of Holden or McDermott with this pick?
RE: RE: Could Wormley fall?  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13450703 Anakim said:
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Get on that and this DL is STACKED



Why is he falling? He's productive, versatile and has amazing intangibles.


He is a little under sized for a 4-3 DT. His tape is also on the outside. Plus so many DBs going it is pushing people down and DT is loaded with a ton of talent left. Actually i don't go DT here. I go Cordrea or King. I want a DB
Of course he goes to BAL  
Sy'56 : 4/28/2017 10:09 pm : link
They know defensive talent
There goes Wormley  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 10:09 pm : link
Great pick for the Ravens
Wormley to Baltimore  
Mike in NY : 4/28/2017 10:09 pm : link
Just missed him in the Mock Draft
how many picks until us  
DCPollaro : 4/28/2017 10:09 pm : link
?

RE: Wormley  
Amtoft : 4/28/2017 10:09 pm : link
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to the Ravens. Sorry BBIers.


That is a better fit as a 3-4 DE... good player
Will Holden is not a starter to me  
Anakim : 4/28/2017 10:10 pm : link
I think he's at best a swing tackle. I don't see a starter there. But I'll be honest, I haven't seen him a ton.
Anzalone  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 10:10 pm : link
to the Saints, and Hall to the Panthers.
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