I think some are being silly, getting worked up over a third round project, where the chance was worth the smaller cost, but he was a third rounder. Not almost a first, not on par with guys who had multiple first traded for them.
This is playing out a lot like the delusion with Nassib where people, til the end, claimed he could have gone in the first his draft year and just wouldn't let go of the he had a second round grade stuff... he went in the fourth for a reason. Webb went in the third for a reason (and no, citing Brady or Prescott outliers don't change that); that's who he is and what the league sees his value as, right now.
Britt, you and I are in sync about Eli..I honestly feel, as you know,
he can play at least another 5 years at a good to high level..Obviously, if the push up the middle that takes him out of his comfort zone (that of stepping up in the pocket) isn't fixed, he might be done in 2 years..Today's nutrition, conditioning and absurd changes in the rules to benefit QBs, are among the big reasons I expect him to play as long as Brady and Brees will and Favre did..Assuming he wants to..
I expect a big year out of Eli, given what we've improved upon (at least on paper)..I understand why they took a QB where they did, albeit not thrilled with it..
Here's where I may differ with you..By all reports, Mahomes, who they ostensibly wanted, is not all that much better than Webb is. We shall see on that. Some scouts have said he's better than Mahomes. Doesn't matter if he is or not. But, it appears that the difference is negligible enough, that to give up what KC did, would be egregious, imo..Those very high picks, are so needed and to give them up, would have been incompetent by Reese..Imo..
RE: I actually would have been okay if they traded up for Mahomes,
drafted QB's. In fact my order, based on NFL potential, would be Mahomes (1a), Webb (1b), Watson, then Trubisky. I think the Bears really hurt themselves. If Trubisky isn't a top QB starter they really screwed up.
Again our downside here is minimal compared to the other three picks, and I don't see much difference.
So we should just stop looking for a successor? i don't think so. You only hate the pick, because you're taking offense on eli's behalf. I doubt Eli is as close to upset about this pick.
Actually David, we do not know what's happening with Eli. It's possible he already told the team he only wants another year or two.
Webb's highlights are impressive.
RE: RE: I actually would have been okay if they traded up for Mahomes,
believe it or not. That would show me they really valued the guy, and the time to strike was now.
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Oh really? What's a more logical prediction, that a late third round project quarterback is going to come in and supplant our 15 year franchise HOF quarterback, or be another in a long list of projects that don't pan out and don't net us any value in return?
Here's my logic:
Danny Kanell (4th round), Mike Cherry (6th round), Ryan Nassib (4th round traded up to get), Rhett Bomar (5th round), Andre Woodson (6th round), Jesse Palmer (4th round).
All of the non first round quarterbacks that we've selected in the past 20 years.
What's your logic that Webb is going to buck that trend?
Everybody always points to the Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers succession
The Packers picked Rodgers in the first round, not knowing how much longer Favre was going to play, which ended up being three more years before he "retired".
That's conviction when it comes to finding a real replacement.
The Giants need contributors on offense RIGHT NOW.
They have a championship caliber defense, a HOF franchise Quarterback who can still play at a high level, and arguably the best WR in the league. They are one or two pieces away from being a viable Superbowl contender.
The time to win is now, and pardon me for feeling like it's a dumb move to waste a 3rd round pick on a 3 year project that may or may not pan out.
On the other hand, Jerry Reese has a pretty dreadful track record with everything past the 2nd round anyways, so maybe it didn't matter who we drafted.
RE: RE: RE: I actually would have been okay if they traded up for Mahomes,
believe it or not. That would show me they really valued the guy, and the time to strike was now.
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Oh really? What's a more logical prediction, that a late third round project quarterback is going to come in and supplant our 15 year franchise HOF quarterback, or be another in a long list of projects that don't pan out and don't net us any value in return?
Here's my logic:
Danny Kanell (4th round), Mike Cherry (6th round), Ryan Nassib (4th round traded up to get), Rhett Bomar (5th round), Andre Woodson (6th round), Jesse Palmer (4th round).
All of the non first round quarterbacks that we've selected in the past 20 years.
What's your logic that Webb is going to buck that trend?
I just added it up. 47% (15 of 32) of the starting QBs were not drafted in the 1st round. Players rise and fall for many reasons, some are meaningless. Its not a fact that a QB needs to be taken, or reached for, in the 1st round to be your guy.
RE: RE: RE: I actually would have been okay if they traded up for Mahomes,
believe it or not. That would show me they really valued the guy, and the time to strike was now.
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Oh really? What's a more logical prediction, that a late third round project quarterback is going to come in and supplant our 15 year franchise HOF quarterback, or be another in a long list of projects that don't pan out and don't net us any value in return?
Here's my logic:
Danny Kanell (4th round), Mike Cherry (6th round), Ryan Nassib (4th round traded up to get), Rhett Bomar (5th round), Andre Woodson (6th round), Jesse Palmer (4th round).
All of the non first round quarterbacks that we've selected in the past 20 years.
What's your logic that Webb is going to buck that trend?
Past results don't dictate a future outcome. For how many years was it that the Giants could never find, or never bothered to look for a Wide Reciever?
Look, QB is the toughest roster spot to fill in any sport, and I have no idea if Webb is going to pan out, but you do actually have to try.
Even if you believe, like I do, that the most effective way to do it is tank for a #1 in a good year for QBs, that can and does fail very often too, and whiffing on a #1 overall is damn sure a lot more painful than blowing it on a 3rd round guy.
This is playing out a lot like the delusion with Nassib where people, til the end, claimed he could have gone in the first his draft year and just wouldn't let go of the he had a second round grade stuff... he went in the fourth for a reason. Webb went in the third for a reason (and no, citing Brady or Prescott outliers don't change that); that's who he is and what the league sees his value as, right now.
I expect a big year out of Eli, given what we've improved upon (at least on paper)..I understand why they took a QB where they did, albeit not thrilled with it..
Here's where I may differ with you..By all reports, Mahomes, who they ostensibly wanted, is not all that much better than Webb is. We shall see on that. Some scouts have said he's better than Mahomes. Doesn't matter if he is or not. But, it appears that the difference is negligible enough, that to give up what KC did, would be egregious, imo..Those very high picks, are so needed and to give them up, would have been incompetent by Reese..Imo..
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Again our downside here is minimal compared to the other three picks, and I don't see much difference.
Actually David, we do not know what's happening with Eli. It's possible he already told the team he only wants another year or two.
Webb's highlights are impressive.
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believe it or not. That would show me they really valued the guy, and the time to strike was now.
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Oh really? What's a more logical prediction, that a late third round project quarterback is going to come in and supplant our 15 year franchise HOF quarterback, or be another in a long list of projects that don't pan out and don't net us any value in return?
Here's my logic:
Danny Kanell (4th round), Mike Cherry (6th round), Ryan Nassib (4th round traded up to get), Rhett Bomar (5th round), Andre Woodson (6th round), Jesse Palmer (4th round).
All of the non first round quarterbacks that we've selected in the past 20 years.
What's your logic that Webb is going to buck that trend?
The Packers picked Rodgers in the first round, not knowing how much longer Favre was going to play, which ended up being three more years before he "retired".
That's conviction when it comes to finding a real replacement.
They have a championship caliber defense, a HOF franchise Quarterback who can still play at a high level, and arguably the best WR in the league. They are one or two pieces away from being a viable Superbowl contender.
The time to win is now, and pardon me for feeling like it's a dumb move to waste a 3rd round pick on a 3 year project that may or may not pan out.
On the other hand, Jerry Reese has a pretty dreadful track record with everything past the 2nd round anyways, so maybe it didn't matter who we drafted.
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believe it or not. That would show me they really valued the guy, and the time to strike was now.
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Oh really? What's a more logical prediction, that a late third round project quarterback is going to come in and supplant our 15 year franchise HOF quarterback, or be another in a long list of projects that don't pan out and don't net us any value in return?
Here's my logic:
Danny Kanell (4th round), Mike Cherry (6th round), Ryan Nassib (4th round traded up to get), Rhett Bomar (5th round), Andre Woodson (6th round), Jesse Palmer (4th round).
All of the non first round quarterbacks that we've selected in the past 20 years.
What's your logic that Webb is going to buck that trend?
I just added it up. 47% (15 of 32) of the starting QBs were not drafted in the 1st round. Players rise and fall for many reasons, some are meaningless. Its not a fact that a QB needs to be taken, or reached for, in the 1st round to be your guy.
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In comment 13452441 Britt in VA said:
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believe it or not. That would show me they really valued the guy, and the time to strike was now.
To me, this feels like a waste.
That's not logic. It's just a weird gut feeling.
Oh really? What's a more logical prediction, that a late third round project quarterback is going to come in and supplant our 15 year franchise HOF quarterback, or be another in a long list of projects that don't pan out and don't net us any value in return?
Here's my logic:
Danny Kanell (4th round), Mike Cherry (6th round), Ryan Nassib (4th round traded up to get), Rhett Bomar (5th round), Andre Woodson (6th round), Jesse Palmer (4th round).
All of the non first round quarterbacks that we've selected in the past 20 years.
What's your logic that Webb is going to buck that trend?
Past results don't dictate a future outcome. For how many years was it that the Giants could never find, or never bothered to look for a Wide Reciever?
Look, QB is the toughest roster spot to fill in any sport, and I have no idea if Webb is going to pan out, but you do actually have to try.
Even if you believe, like I do, that the most effective way to do it is tank for a #1 in a good year for QBs, that can and does fail very often too, and whiffing on a #1 overall is damn sure a lot more painful than blowing it on a 3rd round guy.