Using a 3rd round pick on a player that you do not expect to play for 3 years. Asiata, Lawson, King, Perine all seemed like better choices at this point.
This team NEEDS a QB that can hold down the fort if need be because the roster is so talented you don't want to fall out of playoff contention if Eli misses two or three games.
He hasn't missed any game ever but it's not reasonable to expect he will never miss a game.
This is a great kid... he works harder than anyone. In at 5am and there last at Cal. Just a great kid who wants to be good. He studies and works all the time. He reminds me of Eli in a lot of ways. I have Cal season tickets and know a lot of inside people at Cal. This guy is top notch. Now he needs work. He locks onto WRs, doesn't progress thru reads and needs help there. I guarantee you tho this guy will give it everything he has on and off the field to be good. Oh and has a rifle on his arm. Check out his ball velocity it is off 2nd to only Mahomes altho in other events his was higher. Love this!!
would you let the next Joe Montana pass thru 3rd rd Â
In fact I bet we can get guys like Asiata and McDermott in the 4th Rd too. Webb IS A STEAL HERE. Take a shot in the 3rd on a guy who could be the next starter rather than a forced OL pick would be the next Brewer.
Great pick. Archive this thread for the future.
Webb made some nice throws in the Senior Bowl game Â
Webb was talked about as a guy who could creep into the 1st round and some have thought he's better than Goff. Nothing wrong with grooming a potential successor for ~3 years give or take one either way. Even if the best case scenario is a Jimmy G type ala the Patriots. I like the pick
You can't be honestly surprised. Look at some of the comments. Some people don't even think long-term thinking plays into the draft.
Most QBs do, especially in the 3rd round. But you HAVE to sink resources into trying to find the right developmental guy (and I say guys). Otherwise, Eli retires and we're one of those teams trading away 2 drafts to move up for one.
You guys watch the Jets, life after Eli scares the shit out of me and should you too. Now is the time to start looking.
RE: Webb made some nice throws in the Senior Bowl game Â
lorenzen (UDFA, 2004), woodson (6th, 2008) bohmar (5th, 2009), nassib (4th, 2013), webb (3rd, 2017). our GM loves wasting picks on QBs who suck and are never long for the team. and he is now burning day one picks to continue with this? i'll admit i don't know the first thing about davis, but with reese's track record how could you not doubt it? the only position he's fucked up as consistently as QB is LB. i like the first two picks in this draft well enough but this drafting shitty QBs every 4 years with increasingly high picks has got to stop. for the love of god. lorenzen was the best of the bunch.
Or maybe they drafted him as a chip to trade down the road.
All I know (or at least hope) is that the Giants won't pass next year on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph or Luke Falk for Davis Webb. Then again, those kids could fall ala Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg.
I threw his name out there a long time ago, when he was considered possibly a 5th at that point?
Those were the possible projections then,
I said I wouldn't mind. Obviously he had moved up since.
I don't have a problem here, if they like him enough.
Would have maybe went for an OL or RB...but clearly a weak OL class and maybe the RB the wanted went. It makes sense - we need a guy to groom to replace Eli, a 3rd rounder isn't a huge gamble but still nets a solid talent, and has has the size and arm but needs some learning time. I get it and hope they can get him ready to go in 3 years or so....if not, we'll see another low pick once Eli is getting ready to hand em up
is much better than Nassib, and I was one of the few people who defended the Nassib pick. I thought Nassib could have gone in the second round, and the Steelers were interested in him, and had to settle for Landry Jones.
Webb is much bigger, and has a better arm, although Nassib is more mobile.
Eli is reaching the end. Whether that's in two or three years, his window is closing.
year to get Eli's successor they are guaranteed to get one because ...? If they have a conviction about this guy then I'm fine with it. Looking forward to seeing him in camp.
- Anything to potentially get Geno Smith off the roster is a positive
- This is closer to the traditional way teams used to handle young QBs, letting them caddie for a few years and learn before putting them on the field rather than learning on the job
- This is different than the Nassib pick. Nassib was never meant to play. He was a cheaper backup than paying relatively big bucks for the David Carr's of the world to sit behind Eli. Webb is a true potential heir to Eli because all indications are Eli is done once his deal is up.
- Next years draft has even more talented QBs in it. I wouldn't put it past the Giants to look there again next year if they aren't "feeling it" with Webb after a year of work behind Eli. Remember, you need a starter and a backup. This is similar to the Dave Brown/ Kent Graham set up years ago when Simms was on his last legs (hopefully this works out better)
- The Giants have needs at OL, but this draft blows for OL right now. So the value wasn't there at the 3rd round. They need a RB, but they can get a big back tomorrow, or just sign Blount.
- This screams a value pick, at an area of need somewhat immediately (upgrade the backup) with the potential to groom Eli's replacement. I think the Giants are hoping for a good transition like Favre to Rodgers when the time comes, and less like Simms to Brown.
a fan of Webb in the first or second, but fine here. Stunned he lasted so long. Giants probably were as well.
Saw a lot of Cal games. Has the height and the arm strength required to survive the howling winds of the Meadowlands. Better arm than Goff. Tremendous work ethic, just like Tomlinson. No injury history.
60-65% of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS, but that is true for most QBs from spread offenses. Some sideline "rail," throws, but few to the second and third levels. Generally accurate, but passes can sail. Limited experience with three, five, and seven step drops. Little mobility, and needs more lower body strength.
Good pick. Worth the risk.
Webb vs. Oregon - ( New Window )
someone commented "Eli's successor" on that video and it was from 3 months ago LOL.
RE: RE: would you let the next Joe Montana pass thru 3rd rd Â
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
1 - Evan Engram - TE/Ole Miss
2 - Dalvin Tomlinson - DT/Alabama
3 - Davis Webb - QB/California
My Draft
1 - David Njoku - TE/Miami
2 - Dion Dawkins - OL/Temple
3 - Montravious Adams - DT/Auburn
People said the same shit about Nassib.
I'd be willing to bet he doesn't play a meaningful down his entire rookie contract.
Now is the time to look for quality secondary depth, RB depth, or a flier on an interior lineman. The talent was there.
Took a DT who can't get to a quarterback and who won't finish the first season except on IR. May get hurt in camp.
Took a quarterback we don't need when we need OL help desperately.
Passed on better talent everywhere and with every pick.
My grade so far D-
Prediction: This draft hurts us for years and finally seals Jerry fate.
He hasn't missed any game ever but it's not reasonable to expect he will never miss a game.
Backup QB is absolutely a need
1 - Evan Engram - TE/Ole Miss
2 - Dalvin Tomlinson - DT/Alabama
3 - Davis Webb - QB/California
My Draft
1 - David Njoku - TE/Miami
2 - Dion Dawkins - OL/Temple
3 - Montravious Adams - DT/Auburn
I like your draft.
Good job on the podcast btw.
Nassib part 2. At least we didn't trade up but it's a deep draft (and a bad QB one).
He's a backup QB.
He MIGHT end up starting the year after Eli retires but it will just transition to when we pick high in the draft for a real franchise qb.
We will pick a kicker tomorrow.
in their post 1st round mocks.
Took a DT who can't get to a quarterback and who won't finish the first season except on IR. May get hurt in camp.
Took a quarterback we don't need when we need OL help desperately.
Passed on better talent everywhere and with every pick.
My grade so far D-
Prediction: This draft hurts us for years and finally seals Jerry fate.
Shut up you idiot.
1 - Evan Engram - TE/Ole Miss
2 - Dalvin Tomlinson - DT/Alabama
3 - Davis Webb - QB/California
My Draft
1 - David Njoku - TE/Miami
2 - Dion Dawkins - OL/Temple
3 - Montravious Adams - DT/Auburn
Prefer the Giants' tbh
I have been saying it for weeks. The kid has "it".
Perfect pick I would have taken him in the 2nd easy and maybe even the 1st.
Way better than any qb not named Mitch in this year's draft.
Absolute larceny by the Giants. Remember this night.
dude - hope you're right!
Great pick. Archive this thread for the future.
You can't be honestly surprised. Look at some of the comments. Some people don't even think long-term thinking plays into the draft.
You guys watch the Jets, life after Eli scares the shit out of me and should you too. Now is the time to start looking.
MVP... his pro day was great. I was there and he was throwing in the rain and making plays! He is a leader
I loved it. lol
dude he doesnt get along with marshall, he has a large contract and is a one year rental...in no way is that a better decision
umm last year you ripped every single pick and it ended up being a great draft
All I know (or at least hope) is that the Giants won't pass next year on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph or Luke Falk for Davis Webb. Then again, those kids could fall ala Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg.
Those were the possible projections then,
I said I wouldn't mind. Obviously he had moved up since.
I don't have a problem here, if they like him enough.
LOL
Webb is much bigger, and has a better arm, although Nassib is more mobile.
Eli is reaching the end. Whether that's in two or three years, his window is closing.
However, Webb was a leading performer in almost all the categories at the combine.
In addition Webb posted a 59 MPH velocity at the combine only second to Mahome @ 60 MPH.
He has plenty of arm strength.
Webb is also bigger than you might think he is almost 6'-6".
His hands are 9 1/4" but he has long arms.
He is a project.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smithþ
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
- This is closer to the traditional way teams used to handle young QBs, letting them caddie for a few years and learn before putting them on the field rather than learning on the job
- This is different than the Nassib pick. Nassib was never meant to play. He was a cheaper backup than paying relatively big bucks for the David Carr's of the world to sit behind Eli. Webb is a true potential heir to Eli because all indications are Eli is done once his deal is up.
- Next years draft has even more talented QBs in it. I wouldn't put it past the Giants to look there again next year if they aren't "feeling it" with Webb after a year of work behind Eli. Remember, you need a starter and a backup. This is similar to the Dave Brown/ Kent Graham set up years ago when Simms was on his last legs (hopefully this works out better)
- The Giants have needs at OL, but this draft blows for OL right now. So the value wasn't there at the 3rd round. They need a RB, but they can get a big back tomorrow, or just sign Blount.
- This screams a value pick, at an area of need somewhat immediately (upgrade the backup) with the potential to groom Eli's replacement. I think the Giants are hoping for a good transition like Favre to Rodgers when the time comes, and less like Simms to Brown.
Saw a lot of Cal games. Has the height and the arm strength required to survive the howling winds of the Meadowlands. Better arm than Goff. Tremendous work ethic, just like Tomlinson. No injury history.
60-65% of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS, but that is true for most QBs from spread offenses. Some sideline "rail," throws, but few to the second and third levels. Generally accurate, but passes can sail. Limited experience with three, five, and seven step drops. Little mobility, and needs more lower body strength.
Good pick. Worth the risk.
Webb vs. Oregon - ( New Window )
someone commented "Eli's successor" on that video and it was from 3 months ago LOL.
Quote:
This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smithþ
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
Oh hell no! Not even close! I hated hackenburg. Couldn't hit the side of a Barn. Webb is way better!!
Quote:
This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smithþ
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
There's something to dislike about this vs. reaching for a mediocre OL to join the rest of our mediocre OL?
So Davis Webb is going to be a top 5 QB of all-time?
Same shit here with this kid.
1 - Evan Engram - TE/Ole Miss
2 - Dalvin Tomlinson - DT/Alabama
3 - Davis Webb - QB/California
My Draft
1 - David Njoku - TE/Miami
2 - Dion Dawkins - OL/Temple
3 - Montravious Adams - DT/Auburn
I like your's better.
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In comment 13451098 32_Razor said:
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This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smithþ
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
Oh hell no! Not even close! I hated hackenburg. Couldn't hit the side of a Barn. Webb is way better!!
Much closer than this Rodgers/Montana garbage some of y'all are already starting.
He's a third round pick. Worth the chance, but no one should hanging the moon on him.
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In comment 13451098 32_Razor said:
Quote:
This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smithþ
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?