Would have disliked it as a 2nd, hated it as a first, but he has a huge arm and a huge ceiling. Probably won't get there, but if he does the pick is more than worth it.
Or maybe they drafted him as a chip to trade down the road.
All I know (or at least hope) is that the Giants won't pass next year on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph or Luke Falk for Davis Webb. Then again, those kids could fall ala Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg.
Jimmy G. has played all of 6 quarters, and got hurt.
He hasn't proved much, teams are just desperate.
No way in hell, those 3 QB's who went in the first 12 picks
were good enough IMO. You get a team like the Bears,
who go out a sign a QB, then trade up to draft one.
That is some dumbass shit on their part.
Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.
Same shit here with this kid.
Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.
Good arm. Bit immobile but considering he's a bit more athletic in terms of outside the pocket than Eli I don't think we should get hung up on that.
This is a great situation for him to come into.
This does not preclude a 2018 pick.
A more mobile Eli clone who can learn for a few years under Eli and Ben is worth this pick. (Eli would not feel as threatened by as some of the 1st rd QBs. See Warner, Kurt)
If he succeeds, the NYG can adjust personnel and strategy.
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Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?
Off-hand, I don't remember, TBH
RE: can't wait for preseason when this kid starts a QB controversy
People will be outraged, people will be indignant, people will think they're smarter than the GM, but who gives a F?
Thompson is too soon to rate, but not one impact player in probably 10 years except Manningham, who was good, but limited. So get your outrage on, this QB can't be any worse than 90% of these guys.
2016: Darian Thompson S
2015: Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE
2014: Jay Bromley DT
2013: Damontre Moore DE
2012: Jayron Hosley CB
2011: Jerrel Jernigan WR
2010: Chad Jones S
2009: Ramses Barden WR (trade up), Travis Beckum TE
2008: Mario Manningham WR
2007: Jay Alford D
This is different than the Nassib pick. Nassib was never meant to play. He was a cheaper backup than paying relatively big bucks for the David Carr's of the world to sit behind Eli.
Trading up for a cheap backup who would never play was stupid.
And using a 3rd on a QB and then looking again at next year's class would be stupid, too.
Biggest need - O-line and Jerry ignored it again. He doesn't have the imagination to run a draft. He could have traded up in the second for Lamp and we'd be in good shape. Now, we may need to start Webb when this o-line gets Eli killed this year!
is Eli's last deal.
They have made multiple comments about his skills deteriorating.
I think fans need to realize it.
I preferred Mahomes but Webb it is, hopefully, he develops or we draft another QB over the next 2 years.
Since QB is not what I call a 'need' position, Webb must be the bpa
If Webb is truly the highest rated player on the Giants draft board, then I applaud the Giants for adhering to the philosophy of drafting the bpa, but at the same time, I scorn the Giant for throwing away their chances to draft somebody who can help them win this year.
it's quite clear the team thinks Eli is nearing the end
He's 36 and his contract has 3 years left. Of course he's nearing the end.
Patriots took Garropolo in the 2nd and Brissett in the 3rd. Brady is still playing at a high level. If the Patriots can use resources towards covering their asses in case Brady declines rapidly, then why shouldn't we do the same?
Yes he could be the answer in 2-3 years but he could also be another Nassib. A mediocre hat wearing clipboard holding QB that never gets in the game.
I think they are close but need OL help, LB and maybe RB.
Agreed, but I think the Pats traded up and got the OL the Giants were going to look at. Once that happened, the value wasn't there in the 3rd round slot at OL. Nor LB, and as for RB, they can get one tomorrow or just sign Blount. So if their draft board has Webb that high up on it, you take him. I'm just glad they didn't use a first rounder on Mahomes.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: would you let the next Joe Montana pass thru 3rd rd
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?
Off-hand, I don't remember, TBH
Only games he looked even close to as bad as hackenberg was Oregon State game where he hurt his throwing hand and couldn't grip the ball. They should have pulled him and the Washington game and that was some drops and Washington being studs on Def
Eli is near end of the road and no one is betting the backup is the heir apparent. he will have a few years to learn. has some physical tools and I cannot think of a better QB to learn from
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: would you let the next Joe Montana pass thru 3rd rd
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?
Off-hand, I don't remember, TBH
Only games he looked even close to as bad as hackenberg was Oregon State game where he hurt his throwing hand and couldn't grip the ball. They should have pulled him and the Washington game and that was some drops and Washington being studs on Def
And I didn't mean to compare him to Hackenberg. I meant the impression of him having a big arm but poor accuracy.
is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
it's quite clear the team thinks Eli is nearing the end
He's 36 and his contract has 3 years left. Of course he's nearing the end.
Patriots took Garropolo in the 2nd and Brissett in the 3rd. Brady is still playing at a high level. If the Patriots can use resources towards covering their asses in case Brady declines rapidly, then why shouldn't we do the same?
Everyone wants to be the Patriots, but they don't want to be the Patriots.
comments on this thread from those who know the program and have seen him play.
It's telling that Daniel Jeremiah, who is a fantastic scout, said he may end up being the best QB of the class.
Then again, I do recall similar things being said about Ryan Nassib, who had a good arm and top-notch intangibles as well. He didn't have Webb's size though.
I guess we'll see. All I know is that it shouldn't impact whether we take a better QB next year.
WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipation. Timing passes must come out sooner. Plagued by accuracy issues and decision-making outside the numbers on both intermediate and deep throws. Five of his 12 interceptions in 2016 were along deep sidelines due to under-throws and failure to read safety help. Touch and placement are an issue when forced to leave the pocket. Not a factor as a scrambler.
Lots of people who have never seen him are the ones blasting him
The kid is a terrific gamble in the 3rd. A better gamble than the other players available. This is a big potential hit, big upside. We can still get the same OL players in the 4th. I bet Asiata, McDermott, etc. will all still be there.
is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
(And if you think that anything can be coached up effectively with a backup, given the practice-time and time-with-coaches limitations of the 2011 CBA.)
i never thought Nassib was that good to supplant Eli
WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipation. Timing passes must come out sooner. Plagued by accuracy issues and decision-making outside the numbers on both intermediate and deep throws. Five of his 12 interceptions in 2016 were along deep sidelines due to under-throws and failure to read safety help. Touch and placement are an issue when forced to leave the pocket. Not a factor as a scrambler.
Why just list his weaknesses? Whats the agenda here, why not his positives too?
STRENGTHS Stands tall in the pocket with a high release point. Rhythm passer. Can drive it with accuracy between hashes when allowed to sling from a clean pocket. Shows patience to allow crossing routes to clear traffic. Expedites release with compact delivery when blitzed. Functional poise with blitz in his face. Slides to create cleaner platform to launch from when pocket gets noisy. Internal clock is operational. Has feel for when ball has been in his hands too long and will look to release it. Feet are good enough to operate in a boot-action passing attack. Completion percentage saw an uptick in the fourth quarter in 2016.
If he is such a hard worker, how come he has lots of flaws?
Not everyone is perfect. I mean practice does make perfect but some things are not correctible.
Much of being a great qb is mental. His biggest weakness is decision making. Maybe he just isn't smart enough to figure it out. Not trying to be critical, just trying to understand why he has these weaknesses.
possible qb of the future for a 1 year solution at DT ... yeah ....
Okay, Mrs. Webb.
I mean...I hope you're right. Hahaha. 'Dem be lofty expectations
All I know (or at least hope) is that the Giants won't pass next year on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph or Luke Falk for Davis Webb. Then again, those kids could fall ala Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg.
Jimmy G. has played all of 6 quarters, and got hurt.
He hasn't proved much, teams are just desperate.
No way in hell, those 3 QB's who went in the first 12 picks
were good enough IMO. You get a team like the Bears,
who go out a sign a QB, then trade up to draft one.
That is some dumbass shit on their part.
Same shit here with this kid.
Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.
This is a great situation for him to come into.
This does not preclude a 2018 pick.
A more mobile Eli clone who can learn for a few years under Eli and Ben is worth this pick. (Eli would not feel as threatened by as some of the 1st rd QBs. See Warner, Kurt)
If he succeeds, the NYG can adjust personnel and strategy.
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This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smith
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?
Off-hand, I don't remember, TBH
Yeah...I don't think that's gonna happen
I think they are close but need OL help, LB and maybe RB.
People will be outraged, people will be indignant, people will think they're smarter than the GM, but who gives a F?
Thompson is too soon to rate, but not one impact player in probably 10 years except Manningham, who was good, but limited. So get your outrage on, this QB can't be any worse than 90% of these guys.
2016: Darian Thompson S
2015: Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE
2014: Jay Bromley DT
2013: Damontre Moore DE
2012: Jayron Hosley CB
2011: Jerrel Jernigan WR
2010: Chad Jones S
2009: Ramses Barden WR (trade up), Travis Beckum TE
2008: Mario Manningham WR
2007: Jay Alford D
Trading up for a cheap backup who would never play was stupid.
And using a 3rd on a QB and then looking again at next year's class would be stupid, too.
He's 36 and his contract has 3 years left. Of course he's nearing the end.
Biggest need - O-line and Jerry ignored it again. He doesn't have the imagination to run a draft. He could have traded up in the second for Lamp and we'd be in good shape. Now, we may need to start Webb when this o-line gets Eli killed this year!
Another wasted QB pick.
Foreman, Lewis, Adams, Sutton, etc would contribute this year.
They have made multiple comments about his skills deteriorating.
I think fans need to realize it.
I preferred Mahomes but Webb it is, hopefully, he develops or we draft another QB over the next 2 years.
If Webb is truly the highest rated player on the Giants draft board, then I applaud the Giants for adhering to the philosophy of drafting the bpa, but at the same time, I scorn the Giant for throwing away their chances to draft somebody who can help them win this year.
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it's quite clear the team thinks Eli is nearing the end
He's 36 and his contract has 3 years left. Of course he's nearing the end.
Patriots took Garropolo in the 2nd and Brissett in the 3rd. Brady is still playing at a high level. If the Patriots can use resources towards covering their asses in case Brady declines rapidly, then why shouldn't we do the same?
I think they are close but need OL help, LB and maybe RB.
Agreed, but I think the Pats traded up and got the OL the Giants were going to look at. Once that happened, the value wasn't there in the 3rd round slot at OL. Nor LB, and as for RB, they can get one tomorrow or just sign Blount. So if their draft board has Webb that high up on it, you take him. I'm just glad they didn't use a first rounder on Mahomes.
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This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smith
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?
Off-hand, I don't remember, TBH
Only games he looked even close to as bad as hackenberg was Oregon State game where he hurt his throwing hand and couldn't grip the ball. They should have pulled him and the Washington game and that was some drops and Washington being studs on Def
Not everyone is perfect. I mean practice does make perfect but some things are not correctible.
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This pick will go down as a legendary pick.
Aaron Rodgers now Joe Montana.
Here's a more realistic take:
Ryan Smith
@RSmithNFL
Davis Webb is the Christian Hackenberg of 2017. Big arm but struggles with touch and accuracy at all levels of the field. Not correctable.
That was my impression from the little I saw of him, which is why he wasn't on my radar. How many QBs have improved their accuracy from college? Insane work ethic, pretty good arm, good size but the accuracy was poor.
What game did you feel he looked like Hackenberg?
Off-hand, I don't remember, TBH
Only games he looked even close to as bad as hackenberg was Oregon State game where he hurt his throwing hand and couldn't grip the ball. They should have pulled him and the Washington game and that was some drops and Washington being studs on Def
And I didn't mean to compare him to Hackenberg. I meant the impression of him having a big arm but poor accuracy.
A lot of it is his offense. They dont ask him to read defenses. They dont ask him to gp thru progressions. He needs work.
We have seen a few of those in Giantland, LOL.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Giants brass all say they're surprised Webb fell. Marc Ross think he's comparable to first round QBs.
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it's quite clear the team thinks Eli is nearing the end
He's 36 and his contract has 3 years left. Of course he's nearing the end.
Patriots took Garropolo in the 2nd and Brissett in the 3rd. Brady is still playing at a high level. If the Patriots can use resources towards covering their asses in case Brady declines rapidly, then why shouldn't we do the same?
Everyone wants to be the Patriots, but they don't want to be the Patriots.
It's telling that Daniel Jeremiah, who is a fantastic scout, said he may end up being the best QB of the class.
Then again, I do recall similar things being said about Ryan Nassib, who had a good arm and top-notch intangibles as well. He didn't have Webb's size though.
I guess we'll see. All I know is that it shouldn't impact whether we take a better QB next year.
Webb reminds me of Carson Palmer frankly.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
(And if you think that anything can be coached up effectively with a backup, given the practice-time and time-with-coaches limitations of the 2011 CBA.)
Why just list his weaknesses? Whats the agenda here, why not his positives too?
STRENGTHS Stands tall in the pocket with a high release point. Rhythm passer. Can drive it with accuracy between hashes when allowed to sling from a clean pocket. Shows patience to allow crossing routes to clear traffic. Expedites release with compact delivery when blitzed. Functional poise with blitz in his face. Slides to create cleaner platform to launch from when pocket gets noisy. Internal clock is operational. Has feel for when ball has been in his hands too long and will look to release it. Feet are good enough to operate in a boot-action passing attack. Completion percentage saw an uptick in the fourth quarter in 2016.
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If he is such a hard worker, how come he has lots of flaws?
Not everyone is perfect. I mean practice does make perfect but some things are not correctible.
Much of being a great qb is mental. His biggest weakness is decision making. Maybe he just isn't smart enough to figure it out. Not trying to be critical, just trying to understand why he has these weaknesses.