All draft picks are a roll of the dice, but QBs are especially so.
They're even a roll of the dice once they're on the field. RGIII looked one way when he arrived, another way now. Drew Brees was underwhelming at first.
I think the takeaway from this pick is the Giants are starting their succession plan at QB. Webb may be the guy, or not. Maybe they end up drafting a few QBs over the next few years, trying to find the next franchise QB. That wouldn't be surprising.
And that would be okay. Not ideal, but acceptable -- IF they find their next great QB at the end of the process.
If it takes 3 draft picks, with two wasted on guys who wash out, that's bad, but not as bad as having a crappy QB for years. (Remember what it was like between Simms and Collins? Kent Graham... Dave Brown... Jesse Palmer...). If you have a bad QB your team is dead in the water.
WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipation. Timing passes must come out sooner. Plagued by accuracy issues and decision-making outside the numbers on both intermediate and deep throws. Five of his 12 interceptions in 2016 were along deep sidelines due to under-throws and failure to read safety help. Touch and placement are an issue when forced to leave the pocket. Not a factor as a scrambler.
Why just list his weaknesses? Whats the agenda here, why not his positives too?
STRENGTHS Stands tall in the pocket with a high release point. Rhythm passer. Can drive it with accuracy between hashes when allowed to sling from a clean pocket. Shows patience to allow crossing routes to clear traffic. Expedites release with compact delivery when blitzed. Functional poise with blitz in his face. Slides to create cleaner platform to launch from when pocket gets noisy. Internal clock is operational. Has feel for when ball has been in his hands too long and will look to release it. Feet are good enough to operate in a boot-action passing attack. Completion percentage saw an uptick in the fourth quarter in 2016.
No agenda, merely trying to see where he lacks and is deficient. Obviously, this has to be overcome, right?
Well it is the infamous 3rd round of the NFL draft Â
is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
You will have a year with Webb and a real understanding of capabilities.
If you think they are better you draft them but if they don't fall or Webb is really impressing the staff you made the right choice and move forward.
Because we drafted Webb does not hold us back of pick a better QB if they drop
is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
And who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph, or Falk will be better than Webb? I didn't want a QB in the 1st, but we got a potential 1st rounder in the late 3rd. Its a steal, and if it works its a home run. The kid has it all, I hope he can put it together. He's as good as Trubisky for sure.
Again, the reason I'm skeptical is that I can't really recall a QB Â
seems like decent value. They may swing and miss 5 times before finding Eli's successor, but at this point they need to start planning it.
For perspective, people are saying the Bears made a huge mistake drafting Mitch #2. KC & Houston traded next years first for Mahomes & Watson. Maybe Webb pans out, maybe he stinks, but it's much less risk in finding out.
is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
And who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph, or Falk will be better than Webb? I didn't want a QB in the 1st, but we got a potential 1st rounder in the late 3rd. Its a steal, and if it works its a home run. The kid has it all, I hope he can put it together. He's as good as Trubisky for sure.
That's fair. I think they are, but I concede that things could change from now until next April. No doubt.
And I don't know if he's as good as Trubisky. If he was, he would've been taken earlier than he did. Let's hope he is. Let's hope he's an amazing pick. I certainly hope so.
RE: Lots of people who have never seen him are the ones blasting him Â
The kid is a terrific gamble in the 3rd. A better gamble than the other players available. This is a big potential hit, big upside. We can still get the same OL players in the 4th. I bet Asiata, McDermott, etc. will all still be there.
Webb reminds me of Carson Palmer frankly.
I think many of us are just thinking that we have much more critical needs now than a backup QB. I have nothing against Webb but I hate the pick for going for any QB in the draft this year. We were close last year but still have some serious needs. We picked up a good TE, and a good DE which we absolutely needed after letting Hankins walk and then we wasted a third rounder. So here we are three picks in and the only improvement is a TE.
Reaffirms my belief that JR was not a fan of TC and did not/ would not build the "Giants football" team TC wanted: nasty and bruisers throughout the roster, and more a rush than passing O. Look at all the project OLs that failed(Brewer), and the anti-LT/Banks/Carson ones he drafted(sintim, Dillard).
Instead, JR built his vision of a team; eg as JM even said, the 1st rder is JRs. And I know TC and Ross also contributed to failures but its JRs team.
No disrespect or anger to Mc, but they are, appropriately , building a Mc O, including for the Webb pick that could have been used more wisely considering even @32, there would be a group of 5-7 QBs from which we'd have at least 1-2
QBs that would still be there, better than this QB class.
You're talking about a 21 year old college kid. Your comment might be the stupidest comment I've read here in many years if not ever. Why bother having professional coaches if all these players have 4 years of college coaching to fix their flaws ?
seems like decent value. They may swing and miss 5 times before finding Eli's successor, but at this point they need to start planning it.
For perspective, people are saying the Bears made a huge mistake drafting Mitch #2. KC & Houston traded next years first for Mahomes & Watson. Maybe Webb pans out, maybe he stinks, but it's much less risk in finding out.
+1. Chicago, KC, and Houston mortgaged their futures trying to get their next QB. We spent a late 3rd rounder on a guy that a lot of people think is just as good as the top 3.
The Kid also has a "Fresh" medical, Never been hurt very durable Â
who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers just off the top of my head
but for the record, 61% would be better than Eli's career completion percent.
Tom Brady is an exception. I mean he was a sixth rounder. Let's be honest. Brady is the greatest QB of all-time.
And Rodgers kind of hovered around where he was at college, IIRC, which is around 65%.
Who cares? My point was even if Webb becomes an NFL starting QB and his completion percent is 61% it will be higher than Eli Manning's career completion percentage.
Given Reese's 3rd round track record, I wouldn't get worked up about it.
Yes he could be the answer in 2-3 years but he could also be another Nassib. A mediocre hat wearing clipboard holding QB that never gets in the game.
I think they are close but need OL help, LB and maybe RB.
Agreed, but I think the Pats traded up and got the OL the Giants were going to look at. Once that happened, the value wasn't there in the 3rd round slot at OL. Nor LB, and as for RB, they can get one tomorrow or just sign Blount. So if their draft board has Webb that high up on it, you take him. I'm just glad they didn't use a first rounder on Mahomes.
I agree that I would rather have Webb with a 3rd than trade picks and take Mahomes.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers just off the top of my head
but for the record, 61% would be better than Eli's career completion percent.
Tom Brady is an exception. I mean he was a sixth rounder. Let's be honest. Brady is the greatest QB of all-time.
And Rodgers kind of hovered around where he was at college, IIRC, which is around 65%.
Who cares? My point was even if Webb becomes an NFL starting QB and his completion percent is 61% it will be higher than Eli Manning's career completion percentage.
Given Reese's 3rd round track record, I wouldn't get worked up about it.
You're right that it would be higher than Eli's career completion percentage, but let's be honest: are most of us okay with that? With someone who will throw around 61%? I mean don't you want a more...consistent and accurate QB?
Tomlinson = arm cocked
Webb = Remote officially thrown.
Sorry, but I'm hugely disappointed with the NYG 2017 draft. Typical JR flubs and reaches. If it wasn't for the OBJ pick he'd be out of the league by now.
RE: RE: Again, the reason I'm skeptical is that I can't really recall a QB Â
who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
The kid has a gun. If he can be molded we've got our QB of the future. If not we've done no worse than in many past drafts in which our 3rd rounders failed. And that would be possible if we took Asiata or any of the other guys you are high on.
lorenzen (UDFA, 2004), woodson (6th, 2008) bohmar (5th, 2009), nassib (4th, 2013), webb (3rd, 2017). our GM loves wasting picks on QBs who suck and are never long for the team. and he is now burning day one picks to continue with this? i'll admit i don't know the first thing about davis, but with reese's track record how could you not doubt it? the only position he's fucked up as consistently as QB is LB. i like the first two picks in this draft well enough but this drafting shitty QBs every 4 years with increasingly high picks has got to stop. for the love of god. lorenzen was the best of the bunch.
Operative quote: "I admit I don't know the first thing about davis..."
RE: Eli thinks and processes information very fast. Â
Why would you say this? Everything I have read says the kid is very smart and a student of the game. His dad is a coach. Read Dave Te, Sy, ESPN, etc. He's a really smart kid. Big, great arm, smart, and athletic.
who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
And if opportunity strikes again next year, hell, I'd pick up another QB.
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
Webb was starting and got hurt. So Mahomes came in and finished the season. So they went into competition in the fall of the next season and Mahommes won the job. Webb went with his old coach Dykes to Cal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Again, the reason I'm skeptical is that I can't really recall a QB Â
who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.
seems like a nice kid, tall and kind of lanky. It looks like he needs to put some muscle and weight on, as well; kind of like a guy named Brady coming out of college. Anyway, it will be interesting to see him develop.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Again, the reason I'm skeptical is that I can't really recall a QB Â
who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.
OK, how about a semi-DRAMATIC increase in completion percentage? Brady is the exception of all exceptions. Warner is also an anomaly.
Why would you say this? Everything I have read says the kid is very smart and a student of the game. His dad is a coach. Read Dave Te, Sy, ESPN, etc. He's a really smart kid. Big, great arm, smart, and athletic.
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WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipaction.
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California quarterback Davis Webb, believed by some teams to be a first-round caliber passer, went to the Giants with the 87th overall pick on Friday. Webb is the highest passer taken by the Giants since 2004, when the team picked Philip Rivers and swapped him for Manning in the first round.
A transfer out of Texas Tech -- Webb battled eventual first-round pick Patrick Mahomes for a starting spot -- Webb replaced last year's No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff at Cal and posted 4,295 yards and 37 touchdowns in 2016.
"We thought he had the best arm in the draft this year," Giants general manager Jerry Reese told reporters. He added: "He has a high ceiling that can develop behind (Eli Manning)."
Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.
Same shit here with this kid.
Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.
Giants brass all say they're surprised Webb fell. Marc Ross think he's comparable to first round QBs.
Just too bad that the big talk about QBs in this draft was that there's no real outstanding QBs in this draft.
They're even a roll of the dice once they're on the field. RGIII looked one way when he arrived, another way now. Drew Brees was underwhelming at first.
I think the takeaway from this pick is the Giants are starting their succession plan at QB. Webb may be the guy, or not. Maybe they end up drafting a few QBs over the next few years, trying to find the next franchise QB. That wouldn't be surprising.
And that would be okay. Not ideal, but acceptable -- IF they find their next great QB at the end of the process.
If it takes 3 draft picks, with two wasted on guys who wash out, that's bad, but not as bad as having a crappy QB for years. (Remember what it was like between Simms and Collins? Kent Graham... Dave Brown... Jesse Palmer...). If you have a bad QB your team is dead in the water.
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WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipation. Timing passes must come out sooner. Plagued by accuracy issues and decision-making outside the numbers on both intermediate and deep throws. Five of his 12 interceptions in 2016 were along deep sidelines due to under-throws and failure to read safety help. Touch and placement are an issue when forced to leave the pocket. Not a factor as a scrambler.
Why just list his weaknesses? Whats the agenda here, why not his positives too?
STRENGTHS Stands tall in the pocket with a high release point. Rhythm passer. Can drive it with accuracy between hashes when allowed to sling from a clean pocket. Shows patience to allow crossing routes to clear traffic. Expedites release with compact delivery when blitzed. Functional poise with blitz in his face. Slides to create cleaner platform to launch from when pocket gets noisy. Internal clock is operational. Has feel for when ball has been in his hands too long and will look to release it. Feet are good enough to operate in a boot-action passing attack. Completion percentage saw an uptick in the fourth quarter in 2016.
No agenda, merely trying to see where he lacks and is deficient. Obviously, this has to be overcome, right?
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is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
You will have a year with Webb and a real understanding of capabilities.
If you think they are better you draft them but if they don't fall or Webb is really impressing the staff you made the right choice and move forward.
Because we drafted Webb does not hold us back of pick a better QB if they drop
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is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
And who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph, or Falk will be better than Webb? I didn't want a QB in the 1st, but we got a potential 1st rounder in the late 3rd. Its a steal, and if it works its a home run. The kid has it all, I hope he can put it together. He's as good as Trubisky for sure.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
LOL. Nice
For perspective, people are saying the Bears made a huge mistake drafting Mitch #2. KC & Houston traded next years first for Mahomes & Watson. Maybe Webb pans out, maybe he stinks, but it's much less risk in finding out.
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is a classic Reese pick because of his upside. He is a "high ceiling," "low floor" player. His work ethic gives him a decent chance at the former.
Many colleges are now using spread offenses. They don't translate well to the NFL. So QBs from that system need several years to learn how to play at this level. Most teams can't give them that time. We can, because Eli will play for the next two years at least. But we have to start now.
We also aren't getting anywhere near next year's QBs.
Well, I think he does have a low floor. He could never see the field... Couple that with his accuracy and yeah, he may never end up as a starting QB. So yeah, there lots to like about him but at the same time, we need to be a little realistic.
And while we probably won't get a chance at Darnold or Allen, who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph or Falk couldn't fall to where we pick in the first round (hopefully 32nd)?
And who says that Jackson, Rosen, Rudolph, or Falk will be better than Webb? I didn't want a QB in the 1st, but we got a potential 1st rounder in the late 3rd. Its a steal, and if it works its a home run. The kid has it all, I hope he can put it together. He's as good as Trubisky for sure.
That's fair. I think they are, but I concede that things could change from now until next April. No doubt.
And I don't know if he's as good as Trubisky. If he was, he would've been taken earlier than he did. Let's hope he is. Let's hope he's an amazing pick. I certainly hope so.
Webb reminds me of Carson Palmer frankly.
I think many of us are just thinking that we have much more critical needs now than a backup QB. I have nothing against Webb but I hate the pick for going for any QB in the draft this year. We were close last year but still have some serious needs. We picked up a good TE, and a good DE which we absolutely needed after letting Hankins walk and then we wasted a third rounder. So here we are three picks in and the only improvement is a TE.
Instead, JR built his vision of a team; eg as JM even said, the 1st rder is JRs. And I know TC and Ross also contributed to failures but its JRs team.
No disrespect or anger to Mc, but they are, appropriately , building a Mc O, including for the Webb pick that could have been used more wisely considering even @32, there would be a group of 5-7 QBs from which we'd have at least 1-2
QBs that would still be there, better than this QB class.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers just off the top of my head
but for the record, 61% would be better than Eli's career completion percent.
For perspective, people are saying the Bears made a huge mistake drafting Mitch #2. KC & Houston traded next years first for Mahomes & Watson. Maybe Webb pans out, maybe he stinks, but it's much less risk in finding out.
+1. Chicago, KC, and Houston mortgaged their futures trying to get their next QB. We spent a late 3rd rounder on a guy that a lot of people think is just as good as the top 3.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers just off the top of my head
but for the record, 61% would be better than Eli's career completion percent.
Tom Brady is an exception. I mean he was a sixth rounder. Let's be honest. Brady is the greatest QB of all-time.
And Rodgers kind of hovered around where he was at college, IIRC, which is around 65%.
Just when I was starting come around on Jerry, uh-oh! What is he thinking!?!?
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Kurt Warner had a higher completion % in the NFL versus the Arena League. Relax.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers just off the top of my head
but for the record, 61% would be better than Eli's career completion percent.
Tom Brady is an exception. I mean he was a sixth rounder. Let's be honest. Brady is the greatest QB of all-time.
And Rodgers kind of hovered around where he was at college, IIRC, which is around 65%.
Who cares? My point was even if Webb becomes an NFL starting QB and his completion percent is 61% it will be higher than Eli Manning's career completion percentage.
Given Reese's 3rd round track record, I wouldn't get worked up about it.
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Yes he could be the answer in 2-3 years but he could also be another Nassib. A mediocre hat wearing clipboard holding QB that never gets in the game.
I think they are close but need OL help, LB and maybe RB.
Agreed, but I think the Pats traded up and got the OL the Giants were going to look at. Once that happened, the value wasn't there in the 3rd round slot at OL. Nor LB, and as for RB, they can get one tomorrow or just sign Blount. So if their draft board has Webb that high up on it, you take him. I'm just glad they didn't use a first rounder on Mahomes.
I agree that I would rather have Webb with a 3rd than trade picks and take Mahomes.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Kurt Warner had a higher completion % in the NFL versus the Arena League. Relax.
I'm not upset. Haha. I'm calm. Calmer than I thought I would be. Maybe because I haven't watched enough of Davis Webb.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers just off the top of my head
but for the record, 61% would be better than Eli's career completion percent.
Tom Brady is an exception. I mean he was a sixth rounder. Let's be honest. Brady is the greatest QB of all-time.
And Rodgers kind of hovered around where he was at college, IIRC, which is around 65%.
Who cares? My point was even if Webb becomes an NFL starting QB and his completion percent is 61% it will be higher than Eli Manning's career completion percentage.
Given Reese's 3rd round track record, I wouldn't get worked up about it.
You're right that it would be higher than Eli's career completion percentage, but let's be honest: are most of us okay with that? With someone who will throw around 61%? I mean don't you want a more...consistent and accurate QB?
With our OL as it is, we might need this kid sooner than later.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Webb = Remote officially thrown.
Sorry, but I'm hugely disappointed with the NYG 2017 draft. Typical JR flubs and reaches. If it wasn't for the OBJ pick he'd be out of the league by now.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
You're talking about a complete anomaly. Come on. Brady is the greatest QB of all-time and his story is a once in a lifetime thing.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
The kid has a gun. If he can be molded we've got our QB of the future. If not we've done no worse than in many past drafts in which our 3rd rounders failed. And that would be possible if we took Asiata or any of the other guys you are high on.
Nassib 2.0. Or maybe. Carson Palmer 2.0
Operative quote: "I admit I don't know the first thing about davis..."
Why would you say this? Everything I have read says the kid is very smart and a student of the game. His dad is a coach. Read Dave Te, Sy, ESPN, etc. He's a really smart kid. Big, great arm, smart, and athletic.
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
Webb was starting and got hurt. So Mahomes came in and finished the season. So they went into competition in the fall of the next season and Mahommes won the job. Webb went with his old coach Dykes to Cal.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.
OK, how about a semi-DRAMATIC increase in completion percentage? Brady is the exception of all exceptions. Warner is also an anomaly.
And it's smart to start now and not wait till Eli retires.
Also much cheaper to draft a potential starting QB then paying one in FA and screwing the cap.
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This guy? Not so much!
Why would you say this? Everything I have read says the kid is very smart and a student of the game. His dad is a coach. Read Dave Te, Sy, ESPN, etc. He's a really smart kid. Big, great arm, smart, and athletic.
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WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipaction.
California quarterback Davis Webb, believed by some teams to be a first-round caliber passer, went to the Giants with the 87th overall pick on Friday. Webb is the highest passer taken by the Giants since 2004, when the team picked Philip Rivers and swapped him for Manning in the first round.
A transfer out of Texas Tech -- Webb battled eventual first-round pick Patrick Mahomes for a starting spot -- Webb replaced last year's No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff at Cal and posted 4,295 yards and 37 touchdowns in 2016.
"We thought he had the best arm in the draft this year," Giants general manager Jerry Reese told reporters. He added: "He has a high ceiling that can develop behind (Eli Manning)."
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Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.
Same shit here with this kid.
Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.
Agreed.