Football Sense- Webb is a student of the game, but you can see a bit of a gambler in him on the field, even though he does a good job of scanning the field. He is quick to make his decisions and has excellent poise to stand tall under the fierce rush. Even though he is cool under pressure, he can frustrate a coach by trying for force his deep ball. It’s not just for the sake of making the play, but he could do a better job of resetting his base before throwing on the move, as that does lead to costly interceptions. He has shown marked improvement the second half of 2016 with his progression reads and is alert to zone coverage. With the way he can easily draw up plays in pressure situations, there is no question that he can handle and digest a complicated playbook.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.
OK, how about a semi-DRAMATIC increase in completion percentage? Brady is the exception of all exceptions. Warner is also an anomaly.
I admittedly don't have time to fish for dramatic ones besides Brady, but considering I found a few increases in maybe 5-10 minutes of searching, I'm confident there are at least a few instances. Eli has a 59.7% career completion percentage, btw, so I think we can work with 61%.
seems like a nice kid, tall and kind of lanky. It looks like he needs to put some muscle and weight on, as well; kind of like a guy named Brady coming out of college. Anyway, it will be interesting to see him develop.
is he has a ton of college experience. Also, played in high octane passing attacks, similar to what he will be asked to do in NFL.
He is probably the most NFL ready of the QBs, except maybe Mahomes. So he is a good backup and he saves you a couple of million each year. Outside chance he develops into a decent starter.
Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.
Same shit here with this kid.
Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.
Carr was generally dirt cheap for a vet back up.
The only vet back-up they ever really paid good money to was Rosenfels, for one year.
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I was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius today and they were talking about Webb and the Senior Bowl. They said that when Webb came in the coach (the Stanford guy maybe) completely changed the offensive attack, because Webb could make a lot more throws than the other QB's. This is the game Webb was the MVP on.
Also please remember that he was starting at Texas Tech before he popped out his shoulder, which brought Mahomes in the game. Yes Mahomes won the job in the fall in a close race, but TT has a unique system. Webb went to Cal and dominated, following Goff there. So just because Mahomes won the job, this doesn't necessarily mean he's a better NFL prospect. Look at the previous TT QB's, very few translate into the NFL. Cal QB's do.
And if opportunity strikes again next year, hell, I'd pick up another QB.
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
Got injured and then Mahomes went on to throw 16 TDs to like 2 picks in 4 games. They then battled it out and Mahomes barely won it. Interesring fact that Mayfield from Oklahoma transferred because Webb beat him out after he got hurt. He will be a top 3 round QB next year. TT had some players at QB!
And if opportunity strikes again next year, hell, I'd pick up another QB.
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
Webb was starting and got hurt. So Mahomes came in and finished the season. So they went into competition in the fall of the next season and Mahommes won the job. Webb went with his old coach Dykes to Cal.
Actually Dykes wasnt his coach ever before he went to Cal. The head coach of TT was his player tho and said this guy is amazing, he is a leader, and has the best work ethic. He came highly recommend and said he thought they were both amazing players and that they were so close, but Mahomes had more time so he started the younger player.
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it. There are at least some folks whose views I respect who think Webb may be the goods. Joe Montana was late 3d round and the 4th QB taken that year. It does happen.
Their next QB. We got a comparable prospect late in the 3rd round. Great value and clearly bpa. I doubt anyone left was going to step in and start this year on the OL anyway, plus I think some of the guys being discussed will still be there on our 4th pick. Great value and worth the pick/gamble.
Probably, yeh. But that doesn't make this a bad pick. QBs don't come easy, you have to take chances and invest resources into finding one. Every year that we wait before Eli retires, the cost goes up.
Their next QB. We got a comparable prospect late in the 3rd round. Great value and clearly bpa. I doubt anyone left was going to step in and start this year on the OL anyway, plus I think some of the guys being discussed will still be there on our 4th pick. Great value and worth the pick/gamble.
Please show me where the Bears, Chiefs, and Texans transferred because the completion was too tough
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it. There are at least some folks whose views I respect who think Webb may be the goods. Joe Montana was late 3d round and the 4th QB taken that year. It does happen.
That said ... did I say I didn't see it coming?
He's a classless jerk who would sell any team out to make a buck. His history proves this
to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
is he has a ton of college experience. Also, played in high octane passing attacks, similar to what he will be asked to do in NFL.
He is probably the most NFL ready of the QBs, except maybe Mahomes. So he is a good backup and he saves you a couple of million each year. Outside chance he develops into a decent starter.
How the fuck can ANYONE say its an outside chance he will be a starter?!?! tom brady was a 7th round pick like wtf....guys this isnt an exact science. you evaluate talent and if the value is there when you pick you make it to better your roster and franchise. this is a top 5 QB in the draft. some say he should have went much higher and clearly the giants couldnt pass up the opportunity...jesus at this point i hope he becomes our starter and actually polays well just to shut some of you up. its insane to think that its an outside chance...the guy has 2-3 years on the bench much like rodgers...who fucking knows. rodgers had a ton of flaws coming into the pros and now what? take a fucking breather here people
Also coming off his worst season since his maturation. I don't think there's any hidden info here.
Another point, while Eli has been durable, that may change as he enters his late 30s. Having a competent backup is much more important to the Giants success than it has been in the past.
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I wouldn't expect folks to follow the recruiting of a graduate senior to a borderline irreplaceable school (that became top 10) but our starting QB was hawiian and classless Davis Webb expected to walk all over him until...
SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.
The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.
But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.
Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.
Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.
It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
Telling us we got a first round talent in the 3rd round. Just like they did with Nassib. we probably got a 6th round talent in the 3dd- just like we got with Nassib
SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.
The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.
But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.
Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.
Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.
I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.
Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?
Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.
Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.
You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.
OK, how about a semi-DRAMATIC increase in completion percentage? Brady is the exception of all exceptions. Warner is also an anomaly.
I admittedly don't have time to fish for dramatic ones besides Brady, but considering I found a few increases in maybe 5-10 minutes of searching, I'm confident there are at least a few instances. Eli has a 59.7% career completion percentage, btw, so I think we can work with 61%.
Rodgers, Montana, and now Brady.
I watched a YouTube video of his highlights at Cal this year.
He immediately reminded me of #7 from the Steelers.
He is probably the most NFL ready of the QBs, except maybe Mahomes. So he is a good backup and he saves you a couple of million each year. Outside chance he develops into a decent starter.
I watched a YouTube video of his highlights at Cal this year.
He immediately reminded me of #7 from the Steelers.
I'd take either Big Ben or Palmer.
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Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.
Same shit here with this kid.
Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.
Carr was generally dirt cheap for a vet back up.
The only vet back-up they ever really paid good money to was Rosenfels, for one year.
LOL.
Reese's have been worse than even the norm, but the norm is for third round picks to suck.
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that since many of Jerry's 3rd round picks have sucked, it's OK for 3rd round picks to suck.
Reese's have been worse than even the norm, but the norm is for third round picks to suck.
And that stat comes from where?
Also please remember that he was starting at Texas Tech before he popped out his shoulder, which brought Mahomes in the game. Yes Mahomes won the job in the fall in a close race, but TT has a unique system. Webb went to Cal and dominated, following Goff there. So just because Mahomes won the job, this doesn't necessarily mean he's a better NFL prospect. Look at the previous TT QB's, very few translate into the NFL. Cal QB's do.
Why are they ignoring the offensive line?
maaaaaaaybe this works?
Why are they ignoring the offensive line?
because the prospects available in their eyes couldn't contribute day 1 so they took a QB with all the tools needed to develop into a quality QB?
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
Got injured and then Mahomes went on to throw 16 TDs to like 2 picks in 4 games. They then battled it out and Mahomes barely won it. Interesring fact that Mayfield from Oklahoma transferred because Webb beat him out after he got hurt. He will be a top 3 round QB next year. TT had some players at QB!
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And if opportunity strikes again next year, hell, I'd pick up another QB.
What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?
Webb was starting and got hurt. So Mahomes came in and finished the season. So they went into competition in the fall of the next season and Mahommes won the job. Webb went with his old coach Dykes to Cal.
Actually Dykes wasnt his coach ever before he went to Cal. The head coach of TT was his player tho and said this guy is amazing, he is a leader, and has the best work ethic. He came highly recommend and said he thought they were both amazing players and that they were so close, but Mahomes had more time so he started the younger player.
Exactly. Take the BPA. Don't force picks. Don't reach.
Or we'll be saying, "What a steal!"
That said ... did I say I didn't see it coming?
This x 1,000.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
Probably, yeh. But that doesn't make this a bad pick. QBs don't come easy, you have to take chances and invest resources into finding one. Every year that we wait before Eli retires, the cost goes up.
3rd round is an ideal time to roll the dice - especially after drafting 2 players who will contribute day 1.
worst case: cheap backup for a few years.
Please show me where the Bears, Chiefs, and Texans transferred because the completion was too tough
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
That said ... did I say I didn't see it coming?
He's a classless jerk who would sell any team out to make a buck. His history proves this
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
Would you bet money that Webb will also alienate his teammates with his selfish antics?
He is probably the most NFL ready of the QBs, except maybe Mahomes. So he is a good backup and he saves you a couple of million each year. Outside chance he develops into a decent starter.
How the fuck can ANYONE say its an outside chance he will be a starter?!?! tom brady was a 7th round pick like wtf....guys this isnt an exact science. you evaluate talent and if the value is there when you pick you make it to better your roster and franchise. this is a top 5 QB in the draft. some say he should have went much higher and clearly the giants couldnt pass up the opportunity...jesus at this point i hope he becomes our starter and actually polays well just to shut some of you up. its insane to think that its an outside chance...the guy has 2-3 years on the bench much like rodgers...who fucking knows. rodgers had a ton of flaws coming into the pros and now what? take a fucking breather here people
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdniWncWu4
Another point, while Eli has been durable, that may change as he enters his late 30s. Having a competent backup is much more important to the Giants success than it has been in the past.
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
I googled this topic and found as follows:
SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.
The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.
But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.
Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.
Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.
It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
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LOLWUT?
I googled this topic and found as follows:
SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.
The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.
But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.
Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.
Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
I guess he should've played worse...