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New York Giants 3rd Round Pick: QB Davis Webb

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2017 10:40 pm
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From Dave Te's write up  
PatersonPlank : 4/28/2017 11:50 pm : link
Football Sense- Webb is a student of the game, but you can see a bit of a gambler in him on the field, even though he does a good job of scanning the field. He is quick to make his decisions and has excellent poise to stand tall under the fierce rush. Even though he is cool under pressure, he can frustrate a coach by trying for force his deep ball. It’s not just for the sake of making the play, but he could do a better job of resetting his base before throwing on the move, as that does lead to costly interceptions. He has shown marked improvement the second half of 2016 with his progression reads and is alert to zone coverage. With the way he can easily draw up plays in pressure situations, there is no question that he can handle and digest a complicated playbook.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Again, the reason I'm skeptical is that I can't really recall a QB  
Mike from SI : 4/28/2017 11:51 pm : link
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who has improved his accuracy in the NFL from his days in college. I'd love if you could name some.


I mean Webb had a 61% completion percentage last year.



Brady has a higher completion percentage in NFL versus college. Want more?



Rivers has a higher NFL completion % versus college. I'm gonna stop now, but I found 2 college examples and 1 Arena League example of guys improving completion percentage.



Rivers was a 63/64% passer in college. 64/65% in the NFL.



You said you couldn't think of any examples and I gave you 2.5. It happens.



OK, how about a semi-DRAMATIC increase in completion percentage? Brady is the exception of all exceptions. Warner is also an anomaly.


I admittedly don't have time to fish for dramatic ones besides Brady, but considering I found a few increases in maybe 5-10 minutes of searching, I'm confident there are at least a few instances. Eli has a 59.7% career completion percentage, btw, so I think we can work with 61%.
RE: Senior Bowl MVP.......  
Devon : 4/28/2017 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13451346 Simms11 said:
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seems like a nice kid, tall and kind of lanky. It looks like he needs to put some muscle and weight on, as well; kind of like a guy named Brady coming out of college. Anyway, it will be interesting to see him develop.


Rodgers, Montana, and now Brady.
someone said.....  
BillKo : 4/28/2017 11:51 pm : link
he looks like Carson Palmer.

I watched a YouTube video of his highlights at Cal this year.

He immediately reminded me of #7 from the Steelers.
The best thing about Webb  
Vanzetti : 4/28/2017 11:53 pm : link
is he has a ton of college experience. Also, played in high octane passing attacks, similar to what he will be asked to do in NFL.

He is probably the most NFL ready of the QBs, except maybe Mahomes. So he is a good backup and he saves you a couple of million each year. Outside chance he develops into a decent starter.
RE: someone said.....  
PatersonPlank : 4/28/2017 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13451368 BillKo said:
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he looks like Carson Palmer.

I watched a YouTube video of his highlights at Cal this year.

He immediately reminded me of #7 from the Steelers.


I'd take either Big Ben or Palmer.
RE: RE: The revisionist history with  
Devon : 4/28/2017 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13451191 Matt in SGS said:
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Nassib is hilarious. He was a high rated QB that fell to the 4th and we traded up for. He ENDED UP as a backup. But everyone who defended it was saying we just took Eli's successor/trade bait to land us a haul of draft picks.

Same shit here with this kid.



Nassib was a value pick, who Reese himself said at the time he was drafted that he hopes he never plays. The biggest hope for the Giants was that if Eli got hurt and he had to go in for a few games, he would do well and become trade bait. Prior to Nassib, they were paying millions for Carr to hold a clip board and get a beating in the pre-season behind the 3rd string OL. The front office figured they might as well save some money and let Nassib do that and hope that they might get something to possibly trade down the line.


Carr was generally dirt cheap for a vet back up.

The only vet back-up they ever really paid good money to was Rosenfels, for one year.
RE: Given Reese's 3rd round track record . . . .  
AcidTest : 4/28/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13451307 TC said:
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I'd rather have him trade the pick to someone who knows how to use it.


LOL.
I have difficulty grasping the logic behind the reasoning . . . .  
TC : 4/28/2017 11:58 pm : link
that since many of Jerry's 3rd round picks have sucked, it's OK for 3rd round picks to suck.
RE: I have difficulty grasping the logic behind the reasoning . . . .  
Devon : 4/29/2017 12:01 am : link
In comment 13451376 TC said:
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that since many of Jerry's 3rd round picks have sucked, it's OK for 3rd round picks to suck.


Reese's have been worse than even the norm, but the norm is for third round picks to suck.
RE: RE: I have difficulty grasping the logic behind the reasoning . . . .  
TC : 4/29/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13451380 Devon said:
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that since many of Jerry's 3rd round picks have sucked, it's OK for 3rd round picks to suck.



Reese's have been worse than even the norm, but the norm is for third round picks to suck.

And that stat comes from where?
My last comment on this tonight  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2017 12:03 am : link
I was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius today and they were talking about Webb and the Senior Bowl. They said that when Webb came in the coach (the Stanford guy maybe) completely changed the offensive attack, because Webb could make a lot more throws than the other QB's. This is the game Webb was the MVP on.

Also please remember that he was starting at Texas Tech before he popped out his shoulder, which brought Mahomes in the game. Yes Mahomes won the job in the fall in a close race, but TT has a unique system. Webb went to Cal and dominated, following Goff there. So just because Mahomes won the job, this doesn't necessarily mean he's a better NFL prospect. Look at the previous TT QB's, very few translate into the NFL. Cal QB's do.
25 wonderlic  
xman : 4/29/2017 12:05 am : link
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this team is in win now mode  
BlackburnBalledOut : 4/29/2017 12:08 am : link
i understand "get the heir apparent" but now is not the time to put a value resource on a baby QB who isnt going to play.

Why are they ignoring the offensive line?
cliff notes  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 12:09 am : link
great arm, "looks the part" w/ great size, underrated athleticism (40 on par with mahomes/kizer so maybe some untapped rushing potential?)

maaaaaaaybe this works?
RE: this team is in win now mode  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 12:10 am : link
In comment 13451391 BlackburnBalledOut said:
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i understand "get the heir apparent" but now is not the time to put a value resource on a baby QB who isnt going to play.

Why are they ignoring the offensive line?


because the prospects available in their eyes couldn't contribute day 1 so they took a QB with all the tools needed to develop into a quality QB?
RE: Love the pick..why the hell not?  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 12:13 am : link
In comment 13451338 SHO'NUFF said:
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And if opportunity strikes again next year, hell, I'd pick up another QB.

What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?


Got injured and then Mahomes went on to throw 16 TDs to like 2 picks in 4 games. They then battled it out and Mahomes barely won it. Interesring fact that Mayfield from Oklahoma transferred because Webb beat him out after he got hurt. He will be a top 3 round QB next year. TT had some players at QB!
Beyond  
SomeFan : 4/29/2017 12:13 am : link
Dumb
Thanks  
Spike13 : 4/29/2017 12:14 am : link
Annex.
RE: RE: Love the pick..why the hell not?  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 12:16 am : link
In comment 13451343 PatersonPlank said:
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And if opportunity strikes again next year, hell, I'd pick up another QB.

What were the circumstances of Webb being replaced by Mahomes?



Webb was starting and got hurt. So Mahomes came in and finished the season. So they went into competition in the fall of the next season and Mahommes won the job. Webb went with his old coach Dykes to Cal.


Actually Dykes wasnt his coach ever before he went to Cal. The head coach of TT was his player tho and said this guy is amazing, he is a leader, and has the best work ethic. He came highly recommend and said he thought they were both amazing players and that they were so close, but Mahomes had more time so he started the younger player.
You can't make  
Phil in LA : 4/29/2017 12:16 am : link
OL's appear where there are none.
RE: You can't make  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 12:17 am : link
In comment 13451407 Phil in LA said:
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OL's appear where there are none.


Exactly. Take the BPA. Don't force picks. Don't reach.
This is a wasted pick  
SomeFan : 4/29/2017 12:17 am : link
in 3 years you will be saying WTF!
RE: This is a wasted pick  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 12:18 am : link
In comment 13451409 SomeFan said:
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in 3 years you will be saying WTF!


Or we'll be saying, "What a steal!"
I didn't see this QB pick coming, but based on what I'm reading  
Del Shofner : 4/29/2017 12:20 am : link
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it. There are at least some folks whose views I respect who think Webb may be the goods. Joe Montana was late 3d round and the 4th QB taken that year. It does happen.

That said ... did I say I didn't see it coming?

RE: And BTW  
SomeFan : 4/29/2017 12:23 am : link
In comment 13450960 Josh in the City said:
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This is the pick that it would have taken to land Howard. So we got engram and Webb instead of Howard. Ugh.


This x 1,000.
Chicago, KC, and Houston all mortgaged their future on a shot for  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2017 12:24 am : link
Their next QB. We got a comparable prospect late in the 3rd round. Great value and clearly bpa. I doubt anyone left was going to step in and start this year on the OL anyway, plus I think some of the guys being discussed will still be there on our 4th pick. Great value and worth the pick/gamble.
Davis stinks  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:24 am : link
Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.

- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II

- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him

- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period

* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*

- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou

- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him

- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance

Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
RE: This is a wasted pick  
AcesUp : 4/29/2017 12:25 am : link
In comment 13451409 SomeFan said:
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in 3 years you will be saying WTF!


Probably, yeh. But that doesn't make this a bad pick. QBs don't come easy, you have to take chances and invest resources into finding one. Every year that we wait before Eli retires, the cost goes up.
I did not want a QB early  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 12:25 am : link
but that was mostly because I thought davis/mahomes would be 1st rounders (and I want nothing to do with others)

3rd round is an ideal time to roll the dice - especially after drafting 2 players who will contribute day 1.

worst case: cheap backup for a few years.
RE: Chicago, KC, and Houston all mortgaged their future on a shot for  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:26 am : link
In comment 13451424 PatersonPlank said:
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Their next QB. We got a comparable prospect late in the 3rd round. Great value and clearly bpa. I doubt anyone left was going to step in and start this year on the OL anyway, plus I think some of the guys being discussed will still be there on our 4th pick. Great value and worth the pick/gamble.

Please show me where the Bears, Chiefs, and Texans transferred because the completion was too tough
RE: Davis stinks  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2017 12:26 am : link
In comment 13451425 BurberryManning said:
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.

- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II

- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him

- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period

* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*

- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou

- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him

- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance

Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him


LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
I will also say this  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 12:26 am : link
I will bet money that Webb ends up better than Watson and Kizer.
RE: I didn't see this QB pick coming, but based on what I'm reading  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:27 am : link
In comment 13451414 Del Shofner said:
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it. There are at least some folks whose views I respect who think Webb may be the goods. Joe Montana was late 3d round and the 4th QB taken that year. It does happen.

That said ... did I say I didn't see it coming?

He's a classless jerk who would sell any team out to make a buck. His history proves this
Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians?  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 12:27 am : link
LOLWUT?
It's gonna take me a while  
colin : 4/29/2017 12:28 am : link
to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.

I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
RE: I will also say this  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:28 am : link
In comment 13451430 Amtoft said:
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I will bet money that Webb ends up better than Watson and Kizer.

Would you bet money that Webb will also alienate his teammates with his selfish antics?
RE: The best thing about Webb  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2017 12:29 am : link
In comment 13451369 Vanzetti said:
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is he has a ton of college experience. Also, played in high octane passing attacks, similar to what he will be asked to do in NFL.

He is probably the most NFL ready of the QBs, except maybe Mahomes. So he is a good backup and he saves you a couple of million each year. Outside chance he develops into a decent starter.


How the fuck can ANYONE say its an outside chance he will be a starter?!?! tom brady was a 7th round pick like wtf....guys this isnt an exact science. you evaluate talent and if the value is there when you pick you make it to better your roster and franchise. this is a top 5 QB in the draft. some say he should have went much higher and clearly the giants couldnt pass up the opportunity...jesus at this point i hope he becomes our starter and actually polays well just to shut some of you up. its insane to think that its an outside chance...the guy has 2-3 years on the bench much like rodgers...who fucking knows. rodgers had a ton of flaws coming into the pros and now what? take a fucking breather here people
RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians?  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:29 am : link
In comment 13451434 Anakim said:
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LOLWUT?

The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
OK ... well I didn't see the racist-against-Hawaiians allegation  
Del Shofner : 4/29/2017 12:30 am : link
coming either! Obviously a lot I don't know.
RE: Davis stinks  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 12:31 am : link
In comment 13451425 BurberryManning said:
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.

- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II

- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him

- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period

* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*

- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou

- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him

- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance

Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdniWncWu4
Eli is 36 with 3 years left on his deal  
AcesUp : 4/29/2017 12:31 am : link
Also coming off his worst season since his maturation. I don't think there's any hidden info here.

Another point, while Eli has been durable, that may change as he enters his late 30s. Having a competent backup is much more important to the Giants success than it has been in the past.
RE: OK ... well I didn't see the racist-against-Hawaiians allegation  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:32 am : link
In comment 13451441 Del Shofner said:
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coming either! Obviously a lot I don't know.
I wouldn't expect folks to follow the recruiting of a graduate senior to a borderline irreplaceable school (that became top 10) but our starting QB was hawiian and classless Davis Webb expected to walk all over him until...
RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians?  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 12:32 am : link
In comment 13451439 BurberryManning said:
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LOLWUT?


The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print


Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Thankfully Eli will continue to prosper and Webb will fail  
BurberryManning : 4/29/2017 12:34 am : link
...that's the beautify of having one of history's best talents
RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians?  
Del Shofner : 4/29/2017 12:35 am : link
In comment 13451434 Anakim said:
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LOLWUT?


I googled this topic and found as follows:

SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.

Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.

The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.

But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.

Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.

Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
RE: It's gonna take me a while  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2017 12:35 am : link
In comment 13451435 colin said:
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to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.

I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.


I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.

It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
RE: RE: Davis stinks  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 12:36 am : link
In comment 13451429 arcarsenal said:
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.

- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II

- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him

- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period

* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*

- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou

- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him

- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance

Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him



LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...


It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
The usual Jerry boot locks out in force  
HomerJones45 : 4/29/2017 12:36 am : link
Telling us we got a first round talent in the 3rd round. Just like they did with Nassib. we probably got a 6th round talent in the 3dd- just like we got with Nassib
RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians?  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 12:37 am : link
In comment 13451449 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 13451434 Anakim said:


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LOLWUT?



I googled this topic and found as follows:

SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.

Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.

The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.

But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.

Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.

Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.


I guess he should've played worse...
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