The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdniWncWu4
What? First I doubt all this us true, it sounds like fake news to me. Second, to paint this into a racist vs Hawains thing is pathetic. Typical slander.
SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.
The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.
But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.
Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.
Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
Yes, that's exactly the type of inside, to the core, bone rattling information that I was referring too..........
RE: RE: RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians? Â
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
No, but racism is a serious allegation
RE: RE: RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians? Â
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
the north jersey Hawaiian association must be storming the gates of MetLife as we speak. I'm selling my season tix, if I can even get rid of them, after this franchise brought shame to us all
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians? Â
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
Fair enough account...Amtoft, would you trust Webb after this act? Can he be a leader of men after having committed to a few teams only to abandon them?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians? Â
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Enemy? Bro no one cares about Colorado. They were good this last year because of theu DC and a ton of SR talent. They will be garbage this year and no one will care because it is Colorado.
RE: Don't you think the in-depth analysis scouts do would have uncovered Â
A scandal with CU if it was true? Of course they would have.
It wasn't really a scandal so much as it was just a lame effort for a player to relieve himself of a commitment to lead. Webb promised the coaching staff that he could be the man to lead them out of mailaize but he buckled under that pressure and Sefo assumed the reigns with great success.
Makes zero sense. Win now mode and we take a DT and QB on draft day two? We have a QB and we have a top ranked defense. I was gonna look past the number two pick but jeeze, a QB project with our third pick? What's the reasoning here? If you Eli is done then why draft a TE with your 1? And if Eli ain't done, and he's clearly not then why draft a QB project at 3?I just don't get it.
He is who I targeted out of all the quarterbacks in this draft as the size and arm strength that Giant's would need for the future. He throws a tight spiral which will help come November and December in MetLife stadium. He loves to study film and is very willing to work on his craft.
He is a solid pick in the 3rd round and can be the starter in years to come.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians? Â
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Enemy? Bro no one cares about Colorado. They were good this last year because of theu DC and a ton of SR talent. They will be garbage this year and no one will care because it is Colorado.
Classic Sergio Lavrov defense. No one will care because we aren't Alabama.
Makes zero sense. Win now mode and we take a DT and QB on draft day two? We have a QB and we have a top ranked defense. I was gonna look past the number two pick but jeeze, a QB project with our third pick? What's the reasoning here? If you Eli is done then why draft a TE with your 1? And if Eli ain't done, and he's clearly not then why draft a QB project at 3?I just don't get it.
I think you need to look at the DT depth chart. DT was the biggest hole on this team. DT would have made sense in the first round.
QB? I think folks here are in denial about Eli's shelf life.
Makes zero sense. Win now mode and we take a DT and QB on draft day two? We have a QB and we have a top ranked defense. I was gonna look past the number two pick but jeeze, a QB project with our third pick? What's the reasoning here? If you Eli is done then why draft a TE with your 1? And if Eli ain't done, and he's clearly not then why draft a QB project at 3?I just don't get it.
I think you need to look at the DT depth chart. DT was the biggest hole on this team. DT would have made sense in the first round.
QB? I think folks here are in denial about Eli's shelf life.
I'm with you, Eric. All three picks have made sense to me so far People are very invested in their own views about the draft, and that's cool, but sometimes it's not really that complicated.
Makes zero sense. Win now mode and we take a DT and QB on draft day two? We have a QB and we have a top ranked defense. I was gonna look past the number two pick but jeeze, a QB project with our third pick? What's the reasoning here? If you Eli is done then why draft a TE with your 1? And if Eli ain't done, and he's clearly not then why draft a QB project at 3?I just don't get it.
you, in fact, make zero sense.
1. yes, the giants have a QB. he is old, nearing the end of his career.
2. yes, the giants have a top ranked defense - that just lost Hankins. Poof, the giants acquire the more cost effective top run stopper in the draft.
3. a TE was drafted 1 because he's a freak of nature that could thrive in various roles, regardless of who is QB.
quick recap: day 1 contributors in rounds 1/2 ... value to good to pass up on a QB they think could develop (as a "project") for a couple years - at which point the giants could determine if he is Eli's successor, or they need to look elsewhere in order to ensure this team doesn't become the Jaguars/Browns after Eli retires.
quicker recap: it's been a great draft so far.
sorry a DT isn't flashy enough. the silly giants are looking beyond 2017 with this draft - as they should, while still adding 2 guys that'll contribute week 1.
Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
Fair enough account...Amtoft, would you trust Webb after this act? Can he be a leader of men after having committed to a few teams only to abandon them?
He is a great leader. Look he was committed to TT and played great there. He beat out Brad Mayfield who transferred to Oklahoma. I dont knock Mayfield for wanting to start. Webb played a whole year as Mahomes backup his JR year as a good team player. I dont knock kids for wanting to start and give themselves a chance to make the NFL. He didnt leave TT as the starter like say Russell Wilson did to North Carolina State. He left it with JR QB Mahomes. Cal wasnt an option when he committed to Colorado. They weren't sure if that was the direction they wanted to go. He committed to CO because he was told their 3 year starter was hurt and would be out for the year. When word came out he wasnt that hurt the TT coach called Dykes and said this is a good kid and you will love him. It actually took a lot for him to change his mind because he did want to go CO where he was committed, but i dont blame the kid. Cal was a better fit with familiarity with the OC and HC in that offense. The offensive talent at Cal was far superior, they just had the #1 pick in the draft and was offered keys to drive the offense and he took it. I dont blame players ever for doing what is right for them.
He is a great kid. I have talked to him and he loves football. He studies football all the time. Players loved him and how hard he worked. He is a great kid. High level character and leader.
to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.
It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
I can't tell if you're echoing what I'm saying, or misunderstanding it, but you and I completely see eye to eye. I wouldn't be shocked if Eli said that this is his last contract, or something to that effect. It would explain this sudden urgency for a QB (and if they were going to trade up for Mahomes, and settled for Webb, that does suggest urgency). My point was simply he's earned the right to call his own shot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Davis Webb is racist against Hawaiians? Â
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Enemy? Bro no one cares about Colorado. They were good this last year because of theu DC and a ton of SR talent. They will be garbage this year and no one will care because it is Colorado.
Classic Sergio Lavrov defense. No one will care because we aren't Alabama.
How do you look at yourself in the mirror?
No no no... we dont care because you have only been in the Pac-12 for a min. Do something, get a rivalry that matters, get some time in the league. You arent USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington... you are Utah only they at least are good every year not a one year thing
DT was the biggest hole on the Giants? What about RB? We going all the way with Perk this year? Vareen gonna play in more than 8 games this year? Oh that's right, we're gonna sign Blount because guys that leave NE always pan out. And I'm not in denial about Eli. He's got two or three good years left and signing a QB project with our third pick in the draft makes no sense. Should have picked a RB.
DT was the biggest hole on the Giants? What about RB? We going all the way with Perk this year? Vareen gonna play in more than 8 games this year? Oh that's right, we're gonna sign Blount because guys that leave NE always pan out. And I'm not in denial about Eli. He's got two or three good years left and signing a QB project with our third pick in the draft makes no sense. Should have picked a RB.
The RB class is stacked... Mack, McNichols, Hill, I'tavius, Samaje, Conner, my favorite Elijah Hood, etc... the one place we could wait is RB. Davis was being talked about maybe slipping into the first round. Late in the 3rd is a steal. His potential is huge with that arm and the work he will put in. This couldn't be a better spot for him
DT was the biggest need on the team and it's not even close.
Quantity. We only have three on the roster.
Quality. Two of the three are journeymen. If Harrison gets hurt, we have nothing.
I don't get it. We had a top ranked defense. How could DT be our biggest need? TE and RB are our biggest need. Our offense was pathetic last year. Anyway, I didn't love the second pick but hey, he's a run stopper and we lost Hank. Seems like a quality young man. Ok. But this QB, can you really say this is a best available player pick? I can't. We'll see. We shall see.
DT was the biggest hole on the Giants? What about RB? We going all the way with Perk this year? Vareen gonna play in more than 8 games this year? Oh that's right, we're gonna sign Blount because guys that leave NE always pan out. And I'm not in denial about Eli. He's got two or three good years left and signing a QB project with our third pick in the draft makes no sense. Should have picked a RB.
The RB class is stacked... Mack, McNichols, Hill, I'tavius, Samaje, Conner, my favorite Elijah Hood, etc... the one place we could wait is RB. Davis was being talked about maybe slipping into the first round. Late in the 3rd is a steal. His potential is huge with that arm and the work he will put in. This couldn't be a better spot for him
Ok then, this makes me feel better actually. Hope he's the goods. And I hope we get a good RB.
a QB they thought would be long gone fell into their laps in the 3rd, they pounced.
mediocre OL class means you look elsewhere. Asiata is not a fit in this offense, and I highly doubt anyone on the board will be a contributor day 1 ... in those situations, roll the dice on a potential franchise QB
to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.
It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
I can't tell if you're echoing what I'm saying, or misunderstanding it, but you and I completely see eye to eye. I wouldn't be shocked if Eli said that this is his last contract, or something to that effect. It would explain this sudden urgency for a QB (and if they were going to trade up for Mahomes, and settled for Webb, that does suggest urgency). My point was simply he's earned the right to call his own shot.
Does Webb care about winning? If so, why did he choose a team that got their brains beat out while CU became a top 15 team?
Johnathan Hankins left. Jay Bromley and Robert Thomas barely played. Without Tomlinson, one of those two would be starting.
And if Harrison tore his ACL, our defense could actually fall apart.
I would argue Harrison may be the most important player on the team outside of Odell Beckham.
I certainly see your point. Still think we need a RB to make plays out of the backfield. The defense was spectacular last season and that wasn't enough. I'm okay with the DT at 2. Its the QB at 3 I'm not sure about about.
...but I'm a believer in pocket passers with nuanced mobility and the ability to extend and improvise rather than scramblers or loose cannons. I'd rather have Webb to develop behind Eli for a couple of seasons than Mahomes.
is mahomes that much of a better prospect? simply asking because I'm shocked at their respective draft prices ... I thought Webb was going 1st round to Houston
BUT we need a GOOD RB and a stout OLine more than we need another QB. Unless they know they can't protect Eli and are stacking the position because they know they are getting Eli beat up.
Let's try filling the holes we have first ok?
Actually it sucks. When do we fix that? Is the plan to carry 4 QB's because they can't do anything to improve the line? We can wait on RB? Really? Who can we draft that will move the pile and still run like a deer?
I'm fine with the DT. But with the third we have other needs greater than a questionable QB.
Typical Reese 3rd round pick.
Actually it sucks. When do we fix that? Is the plan to carry 4 QB's because they can't do anything to improve the line? We can wait on RB? Really? Who can we draft that will move the pile and still run like a deer?
I'm fine with the DT. But with the third we have other needs greater than a questionable QB.
Typical Reese 3rd round pick.
So your philosophy is picking base off need. That's not how good teams build their roster, but carry on.
I just read that the Giants think Webb has the best arm in the draft? Â
Then how come they were burning up the phone lines to trade up for Mahomes? Defies logic.....
Because while arm is important, it isn't the only thing. To me you have to make an NFL throw or you can't make it. You have to throw accurately. You have to be a leader and take command of your team. You have to have a quick release. You have to make quick decisions. You have to work harder especially in the film room than any other position. You have to handle pressure. You have to read defenses. You have to make progressions. There is a lot to playing QB. I had Trubisky as a top 15 QB. I had Mahomes slightly ahead of Webb as a late first and Webb as a mid to late 2nd rounder. I had everyone else as 4th rounders or later.
Good size, great arm, coach's kid and a gym rat. He's also an outstanding value in the 3rd round. He'll have 2 - 3 years to learn before taking over for Eli.
I get that many on BBI are disappointed that this doesn't fill an immediate need, but you've got to think about the future and not just next season.
And speaking of the future...since I believe that Webb will one day be the starting QB, I fully expect that this thread will be archived. So I'd like to give a shout out to my future self. I hope things worked out for you ;>)
how many posters put total faith and belief in the front office's evaluation of players, except when it comes to Eli. The same posters who will say "they are the professionals, and if they like the guy, we should trust them!" Then they come on the board and say "Eli has at least 4-5 productive years left and is at the top of his game."
There could not be a clearer signal that the front office believes Eli's shelf life is short. It is prudent for them to plan based on that. They need someone who is ready to play after a couple of watching and learning. We can argue all day about whether or not Webb is that guy, but a guy was needed and this is the one the front office liked.
And for the "win now" folks confused by the pick - who was on the board late in the third round that was going to make this team noticeably better this year and next? I'll stop you right there...there wasn't one. You don't get "win now" talent late in the third round unless you trip over a lottery ticket.
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdniWncWu4
What? First I doubt all this us true, it sounds like fake news to me. Second, to paint this into a racist vs Hawains thing is pathetic. Typical slander.
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LOLWUT?
I googled this topic and found as follows:
SYDNEY — Davis Webb threw four touchdown passes and ran for another score in a sensational debut for California, leading the Bears to a 51-31 win over Hawaii on Saturday in college football's season opener at Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Khalfani Muhammad had 94 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Chad Hansen had 14 receptions for 160 yards and two scores to help Cal win the game played Down Under as a tourism initiative and to increase awareness of "gridiron" in the country.
The teams provided plenty of early entertainment for unfamiliar fans, scoring two touchdowns each by midway through the opening quarter.
But Webb, the graduate transfer from Texas Tech replacing Jared Goff — the No. 1 overall NFL draft pick by the Los Angeles Rams — helped move Cal into control in the second quarter.
Hawaii fumbled on a kickoff following Matt Anderson's second field goal for Cal, and Webb's 34-yard pass to wide Hansen on the next play gave Cal a 27-14 lead.
Webb got into the act himself, rushing three yards off-tackle for another Cal touchdown and a 34-14 halftime lead. Webb was 38 for 54 and 441 yards total passing with no interceptions.
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
No, but racism is a serious allegation
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
I like. a lot.
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
Fair enough account...Amtoft, would you trust Webb after this act? Can he be a leader of men after having committed to a few teams only to abandon them?
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Enemy? Bro no one cares about Colorado. They were good this last year because of theu DC and a ton of SR talent. They will be garbage this year and no one will care because it is Colorado.
He is a solid pick in the 3rd round and can be the starter in years to come.
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Enemy? Bro no one cares about Colorado. They were good this last year because of theu DC and a ton of SR talent. They will be garbage this year and no one will care because it is Colorado.
How do you look at yourself in the mirror?
I think you need to look at the DT depth chart. DT was the biggest hole on this team. DT would have made sense in the first round.
QB? I think folks here are in denial about Eli's shelf life.
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Makes zero sense. Win now mode and we take a DT and QB on draft day two? We have a QB and we have a top ranked defense. I was gonna look past the number two pick but jeeze, a QB project with our third pick? What's the reasoning here? If you Eli is done then why draft a TE with your 1? And if Eli ain't done, and he's clearly not then why draft a QB project at 3?I just don't get it.
I think you need to look at the DT depth chart. DT was the biggest hole on this team. DT would have made sense in the first round.
QB? I think folks here are in denial about Eli's shelf life.
I'm with you, Eric. All three picks have made sense to me so far People are very invested in their own views about the draft, and that's cool, but sometimes it's not really that complicated.
you, in fact, make zero sense.
1. yes, the giants have a QB. he is old, nearing the end of his career.
2. yes, the giants have a top ranked defense - that just lost Hankins. Poof, the giants acquire the more cost effective top run stopper in the draft.
3. a TE was drafted 1 because he's a freak of nature that could thrive in various roles, regardless of who is QB.
quick recap: day 1 contributors in rounds 1/2 ... value to good to pass up on a QB they think could develop (as a "project") for a couple years - at which point the giants could determine if he is Eli's successor, or they need to look elsewhere in order to ensure this team doesn't become the Jaguars/Browns after Eli retires.
quicker recap: it's been a great draft so far.
sorry a DT isn't flashy enough. the silly giants are looking beyond 2017 with this draft - as they should, while still adding 2 guys that'll contribute week 1.
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Let us document the disgusting tribulations of this young man.
- commits to the University of Colorado as a graduate commitment, after having been beaten and afraid by the competition offered by Patrick Mahomes II
- convinces the CU coaching staff to build their offense around him
- actively recruits 17 year old recruits to join him at CU as a 23 year old transfer up and after the February signing period
* CU is now contractually obligated to honor their offer to Webb*
- attends Spring Game and ensures CU coaching staff that he will
be in attendance in the fall to compete against injured incumbent, Sefo Luifaou
- becomes nervous that Sefo may be healthy and demands his release front CU, after the coaching staff has tailored their offense around him
- attends Cal and get his brains beat in bun CU and Sefo who demonstrate their dominance
Webb is a loser who is afraid of competition and may be a racist against Hawaiians. It's disgusting that the Giants drafted him
LOL. Something tells me this post isn't entirely accurate...
It is, but some correct.. he was committed to Colorado and SR QB Sefo was better than expected, but he wasnt signed, didnt need a release, and ultimately thought going to be in the same offense with Dykes and Spav was in his best interest. His HC recommended him to Dykes and vise versa. He was transferring to start to give him a shot at the NFL and thought going to battle a 3 year starter in a new offense wasnt the best move.
Fair enough account...Amtoft, would you trust Webb after this act? Can he be a leader of men after having committed to a few teams only to abandon them?
He is a great leader. Look he was committed to TT and played great there. He beat out Brad Mayfield who transferred to Oklahoma. I dont knock Mayfield for wanting to start. Webb played a whole year as Mahomes backup his JR year as a good team player. I dont knock kids for wanting to start and give themselves a chance to make the NFL. He didnt leave TT as the starter like say Russell Wilson did to North Carolina State. He left it with JR QB Mahomes. Cal wasnt an option when he committed to Colorado. They weren't sure if that was the direction they wanted to go. He committed to CO because he was told their 3 year starter was hurt and would be out for the year. When word came out he wasnt that hurt the TT coach called Dykes and said this is a good kid and you will love him. It actually took a lot for him to change his mind because he did want to go CO where he was committed, but i dont blame the kid. Cal was a better fit with familiarity with the OC and HC in that offense. The offensive talent at Cal was far superior, they just had the #1 pick in the draft and was offered keys to drive the offense and he took it. I dont blame players ever for doing what is right for them.
He is a great kid. I have talked to him and he loves football. He studies football all the time. Players loved him and how hard he worked. He is a great kid. High level character and leader.
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to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.
It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
I can't tell if you're echoing what I'm saying, or misunderstanding it, but you and I completely see eye to eye. I wouldn't be shocked if Eli said that this is his last contract, or something to that effect. It would explain this sudden urgency for a QB (and if they were going to trade up for Mahomes, and settled for Webb, that does suggest urgency). My point was simply he's earned the right to call his own shot.
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
Clearly, because I don't see anything about it. How do you know this?
Cmon bro, do you need a press release for any sort of info you get? You're better than that. You've become good at this...just believe me when I tell you that most bros on the ground thought Webb was a jackass and acted like a buffoon
Oh please not even. Webb is highly respected and is a great guy.
That tells a coaching staff and team of his intentions to join them one day while jumping ship to their enemy the next.
Enemy? Bro no one cares about Colorado. They were good this last year because of theu DC and a ton of SR talent. They will be garbage this year and no one will care because it is Colorado.
Classic Sergio Lavrov defense. No one will care because we aren't Alabama.
How do you look at yourself in the mirror?
No no no... we dont care because you have only been in the Pac-12 for a min. Do something, get a rivalry that matters, get some time in the league. You arent USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington... you are Utah only they at least are good every year not a one year thing
Quantity. We only have three on the roster.
Quality. Two of the three are journeymen. If Harrison gets hurt, we have nothing.
The RB class is stacked... Mack, McNichols, Hill, I'tavius, Samaje, Conner, my favorite Elijah Hood, etc... the one place we could wait is RB. Davis was being talked about maybe slipping into the first round. Late in the 3rd is a steal. His potential is huge with that arm and the work he will put in. This couldn't be a better spot for him
Quantity. We only have three on the roster.
Quality. Two of the three are journeymen. If Harrison gets hurt, we have nothing.
I don't get it. We had a top ranked defense. How could DT be our biggest need? TE and RB are our biggest need. Our offense was pathetic last year. Anyway, I didn't love the second pick but hey, he's a run stopper and we lost Hank. Seems like a quality young man. Ok. But this QB, can you really say this is a best available player pick? I can't. We'll see. We shall see.
it was a huge need, and now it isn't
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DT was the biggest hole on the Giants? What about RB? We going all the way with Perk this year? Vareen gonna play in more than 8 games this year? Oh that's right, we're gonna sign Blount because guys that leave NE always pan out. And I'm not in denial about Eli. He's got two or three good years left and signing a QB project with our third pick in the draft makes no sense. Should have picked a RB.
The RB class is stacked... Mack, McNichols, Hill, I'tavius, Samaje, Conner, my favorite Elijah Hood, etc... the one place we could wait is RB. Davis was being talked about maybe slipping into the first round. Late in the 3rd is a steal. His potential is huge with that arm and the work he will put in. This couldn't be a better spot for him
Ok then, this makes me feel better actually. Hope he's the goods. And I hope we get a good RB.
a QB they thought would be long gone fell into their laps in the 3rd, they pounced.
mediocre OL class means you look elsewhere. Asiata is not a fit in this offense, and I highly doubt anyone on the board will be a contributor day 1 ... in those situations, roll the dice on a potential franchise QB
And if Harrison tore his ACL, our defense could actually fall apart.
I would argue Harrison may be the most important player on the team outside of Odell Beckham.
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to warm up to this pick. Admittedly, it's because of the position, not the player. I would have prefer drafting for Eli's last championship instead of Eli's last season, if that makes sense. Also, if I'm being honest, a lot of it is a refusal to accept Eli's career is coming to an end.
I have to believe this is beyond Reese and BM "seeing something" in Eli that we don't, and moreover Eli saying he may not have a lot left. IMO, Eli has had a career warranting the ability to play until he thinks he can't anymore.
I can't fathom why some people think Eli is going to be one of those guys they have to tear the jersey off of. The people who would possibly know what his timeframe is are also the ones making the draft decisions. For all we know, they already know when he wants to get out. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to play until he's 43.
It's great that he's so healthy. It also means he's got a ton of wear on the tires. He's earned the right to go out on his terms. That doesn't always mean he wants to play until he's 42 like Favre did.
I can't tell if you're echoing what I'm saying, or misunderstanding it, but you and I completely see eye to eye. I wouldn't be shocked if Eli said that this is his last contract, or something to that effect. It would explain this sudden urgency for a QB (and if they were going to trade up for Mahomes, and settled for Webb, that does suggest urgency). My point was simply he's earned the right to call his own shot.
And if Harrison tore his ACL, our defense could actually fall apart.
I would argue Harrison may be the most important player on the team outside of Odell Beckham.
I certainly see your point. Still think we need a RB to make plays out of the backfield. The defense was spectacular last season and that wasn't enough. I'm okay with the DT at 2. Its the QB at 3 I'm not sure about about.
Has some wrinkles but is smart and has a big arm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdctyI9j5I
also gives us some "read option" potential near the goal line. Great size/underrated athleticism/cannon arm.
All the tools ... hope it all comes together.
Torrag : 4/26/2017 8:05 am
I'm not a fan of Trubisky or Mahomes. That said I think he's a clear 2nd Rounder.
Very good value as Mac and Ross indicated they thought he'd be long gone off the board by #87.
Let's try filling the holes we have first ok?
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LOLWUT?
The comments he made towards Sefo were not suitable for print
I found a video clip of this alleged racism:
Davis Webb is despicable!! - ( New Window )
I'm fine with the DT. But with the third we have other needs greater than a questionable QB.
Typical Reese 3rd round pick.
I'm fine with the DT. But with the third we have other needs greater than a questionable QB.
Typical Reese 3rd round pick.
So your philosophy is picking base off need. That's not how good teams build their roster, but carry on.
Because while arm is important, it isn't the only thing. To me you have to make an NFL throw or you can't make it. You have to throw accurately. You have to be a leader and take command of your team. You have to have a quick release. You have to make quick decisions. You have to work harder especially in the film room than any other position. You have to handle pressure. You have to read defenses. You have to make progressions. There is a lot to playing QB. I had Trubisky as a top 15 QB. I had Mahomes slightly ahead of Webb as a late first and Webb as a mid to late 2nd rounder. I had everyone else as 4th rounders or later.
I get that many on BBI are disappointed that this doesn't fill an immediate need, but you've got to think about the future and not just next season.
And speaking of the future...since I believe that Webb will one day be the starting QB, I fully expect that this thread will be archived. So I'd like to give a shout out to my future self. I hope things worked out for you ;>)
There could not be a clearer signal that the front office believes Eli's shelf life is short. It is prudent for them to plan based on that. They need someone who is ready to play after a couple of watching and learning. We can argue all day about whether or not Webb is that guy, but a guy was needed and this is the one the front office liked.
And for the "win now" folks confused by the pick - who was on the board late in the third round that was going to make this team noticeably better this year and next? I'll stop you right there...there wasn't one. You don't get "win now" talent late in the third round unless you trip over a lottery ticket.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.