We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
how many posters put total faith and belief in the front office's evaluation of players, except when it comes to Eli. The same posters who will say "they are the professionals, and if they like the guy, we should trust them!" Then they come on the board and say "Eli has at least 4-5 productive years left and is at the top of his game."
There could not be a clearer signal that the front office believes Eli's shelf life is short. It is prudent for them to plan based on that. They need someone who is ready to play after a couple of watching and learning. We can argue all day about whether or not Webb is that guy, but a guy was needed and this is the one the front office liked.
And for the "win now" folks confused by the pick - who was on the board late in the third round that was going to make this team noticeably better this year and next? I'll stop you right there...there wasn't one. You don't get "win now" talent late in the third round unless you trip over a lottery ticket.
Right on cue, Britt barrels in with "fuck this pick" lol.
We've done well with racist QBs in the past. Kerry Collins turned this franchise around. Too much kumbaya from the incumbent (an Ole Miss kid, no less!).
We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Settle down. We all know you are anti-Reese, but QB is absolutely a need.
I read that Eli is 7th all time in NFL pass attempts, 7th! Eli is my favorite athlete of all time, but he is 36 and has a ton of wear & tear on that arm.
How many developmental QB's have the Patriots taken? Who would have thought Dak would be what he is. I don't want another post Simms transition. This division has 2 young QB's in Dak & Wentz, and Cousins has proven he can win the division. Giants need to start thinking about the transition, and if the value was there, why not? They didn't mortgage a future first rounder for this pick.
Also, for all the shit the Nassib pick gets, he was a serviceable backup. I don't care who your starting QB is, teams always need a developmental QB that knows the offense. I completely understand the pick.
I'm anti-not having anybody past the 2nd round make it to a second contract over the better part of 10 years.
I don't pretend to know who we should have taken, I just know that we needed somebody that has the potential to contribute on offense now. Not in three years (maybe).
but I saw an interesting video of Colin Cowherd talking about Webb. They were asking if he was a future premier QB and Colin made a good point. He said that QB is one of those positions where almost every single good QB is a 1st round pick or very close to one. He said finding QBs out of the top round is almost a fluke. Outside of Dak/Russel Wilson/Brady/Romo - look at every other good QB. And this isn't a small sample size...
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
but I saw an interesting video of Colin Cowherd talking about Webb. They were asking if he was a future premier QB and Colin made a good point. He said that QB is one of those positions where almost every single good QB is a 1st round pick or very close to one. He said finding QBs out of the top round is almost a fluke. Outside of Dak/Russel Wilson/Brady/Romo - look at every other good QB. And this isn't a small sample size...
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
I don't buy this. There have been a ton of first round busts too.
We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
Well, yeah, great. It's easy, we'll be just like the Patriots.
Why is it that teams like the Eagles and Patriots can take these project/prospect QB's and end up getting picks for them, then ask yourself what have we gotten in return for all of our project QB's over the past 10 years?
Frigging AJ Feely, 2nd round pick. Kevin Kolb was traded for DRC AND a 2nd round pick! What did the Pats get Matt Cassel? A first rounder? High second? What are they going to get for Garrapolo?
but I saw an interesting video of Colin Cowherd talking about Webb. They were asking if he was a future premier QB and Colin made a good point. He said that QB is one of those positions where almost every single good QB is a 1st round pick or very close to one. He said finding QBs out of the top round is almost a fluke. Outside of Dak/Russel Wilson/Brady/Romo - look at every other good QB. And this isn't a small sample size...
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
Counterpoints to a not unfair argument:
1. #3 round isnt a middle round, and each prospect needs to be considered on his own.
2. The exception is becoming increasingly common
3. Many of the top QBs are #1 overall picks -- so should we just wait until we're the worst team in the NFL.
4. I havent dont a deep dive but there are a LOT of valueless QB picks in the first and second rounds, particularly outside of the very top picks. It's hardly just midround QBs who routinely dont pan out. And blown #1s and #2s are far costlier, obviously.
5. If you hit on a QB in the 3rd round (or later), it provides a massive cap advantage.
6. You need a backup QB. Giants fans forget this because Eli has been so durable. If you dont have a playable QB, you're done. So a 3rd rounder seems appropriate.
We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
Well, yeah, great. It's easy, we'll be just like the Patriots.
Why is it that teams like the Eagles and Patriots can take these project/prospect QB's and end up getting picks for them, then ask yourself what have we gotten in return for all of our project QB's over the past 10 years?
Frigging AJ Feely, 2nd round pick. Kevin Kolb was traded for DRC AND a 2nd round pick! What did the Pats get Matt Cassel? A first rounder? High second? What are they going to get for Garrapolo?
Because their QBs get hurt/suspended, giving backups a chance to shine?
you make a fantastic point that so many on BBI forget. The importance of a developmental backup QB who knows the offense.
Jerry Reese said he hoped that Nassib would NEVER play, but a developmental backup was a position of need after David Carr left (who was a very serviceable backup). Nassib was a solid backup for us. That isn't a meaningless position.
but I saw an interesting video of Colin Cowherd talking about Webb. They were asking if he was a future premier QB and Colin made a good point. He said that QB is one of those positions where almost every single good QB is a 1st round pick or very close to one. He said finding QBs out of the top round is almost a fluke. Outside of Dak/Russel Wilson/Brady/Romo - look at every other good QB. And this isn't a small sample size...
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
Counterpoints to a not unfair argument:
1. #3 round isnt a middle round, and each prospect needs to be considered on his own.
2. The exception is becoming increasingly common
3. Many of the top QBs are #1 overall picks -- so should we just wait until we're the worst team in the NFL.
4. I havent dont a deep dive but there are a LOT of valueless QB picks in the first and second rounds, particularly outside of the very top picks. It's hardly just midround QBs who routinely dont pan out. And blown #1s and #2s are far costlier, obviously.
5. If you hit on a QB in the 3rd round (or later), it provides a massive cap advantage.
6. You need a backup QB. Giants fans forget this because Eli has been so durable. If you dont have a playable QB, you're done. So a 3rd rounder seems appropriate.
Ryan Mallett (who might not be the worst comp, physically, for Webb) got dumped for a sixth rounder after they spent a highish third on him. They aren't trading Jimmy G.
At the end of the day, really, it's a third round pick. The overreactions on both sides to this are silly. It likely won't amount to anything more than a cheap backup (sorry Brady/Rodgers/Montana/Palmer/Big Ben comps in this thread alone), but if not even that happens, whatever -- this is the point in the draft where you can take a risk and, if your team is run competently, you can easily survive it.
I think drafting a QB bothers a lot of people because:
(1) It's an unpleasant reminder that Eli is near done.
(2) Folks hate drafting players they know won't play for a while.
But if the Giants waited to draft Eli's replacement the year before he retired or the year that he retired, fans would be screaming, "Why did the Giants wait so long? This guy isn't ready!"
We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Little extreme but pretty accurate.
It's funny how a lot of posters change their position after the fact to coincide w the Giants company line. Several talented CBS went right after this shit pick that would've got Trevin Wade/Leon Hall off the field -- Jordon Lewis, Rasul Douglas, Cameron Sutton, etc. Could've made a very talented unit absolutely stacked and unfortunately a few went to division rivals.
The consistently good teams in this league hit on mid to late rounders with greater consistency than the rest of the league. Reese needs to get his shit together in this regard.
I recognize Eli is on the tail end of his career. But, this was not the year to draft a QB for several reasons. One, there are actually pressing needs we need to fill. The first two picks did just that. Two, based on the cap, Eli's likelihood to restructure one more time, his desire to play more than a couple of years the timing doesn't work out. Three, something tells me they don't really believe this is thE heir apparent. So, why make the pick in a year we don't need a QB?
The only thing I can think of is they plan on him being the #2, potentially saving a drop against the cap having a rookie as the backup.
A pick like this would have made more sense next year
We've done well with racist QBs in the past. Kerry Collins turned this franchise around. Too much kumbaya from the incumbent (an Ole Miss kid, no less!).
We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
This is a good argument for supporting this draft pick. We all know Patriots have the smartest guys running an NFL team, so copying them can't be a bad thing.
I just don't agree with the timing (round spent and this year). His rookie deal could be up before Eli is done, which would essentially mean it could be a wasted pick.
As a big Eli fan, I'm concerned with what has been going with him the last few seasons.
Taking Webb is a calculated risk. It looks like he's a difficult prospect to scout because his college tape is working in two weird or at least non-NFL-like offensive systems, but his physical and mental characteristics cry out NFL QB and taking him this year allows a molding and developmental process to occur on a reasonable schedule. Also, The Giants will know a lot more about their QB situation circa 2020 by next year, partly because Webb will have been working in the system for a year already.
1) Its likely none of the OL players there would step in this season and help anyway (so the win now theory really doesn't apply)
2) This pick was tremendous value. KC, CHicago, and Houston all mortgaged their futures to grab QB's that are roughly the same as Webb. In fact, IMO, Webb has a bigger upside.
3) I believe any of the OL players that folks are talking about, such as McDermott and Asiata, will still be there in the 4th (and maybe 5th).
So its a great value pick, and in a later round where the chances are we wouldn't get a player who can do anything for us this year anyway
Are picking on Webb for some of the same issues that plague Eli.
Elis been hot and cold many times. He's been clutch a lot but he also has significant accuracy and timing problems even to this day.
I'm not really sold on Elis ability to throw a good deep ball anymore and I am curious to see how he throws the seam and the out routes now with Engram and Marshall here.
All QBs need playing time and some bullets flying around them. And I am not talking about 2 qtrs of a preseason game where they play with 4 starters and against even less. They need regular season snaps, and some time reading defenses and making throws. Hell, I would be fine if Webb played 85% of the snaps this pre-season!
Not saying I want Webb starting games or coming in when its 21-14 with 10 minute left, but McAdoo has to be more judicial with 4qtr snaps now that Eli is getting on in age.
Last thing I want to hear 2 years from now is..."we still do not know what we have in Davis Webb".
and like it more the more I look at Webb and read about him. Smart, confident without being cocky, can make all the throws, has a nice touch when he needs to use it (doesn't just throw it as hard as he can all the time).
I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. I am wondering what turned other teams off.
So my guess is that Geno is still the game backup this season
unless of course Webb progresses very fast. Webb will be "redshirted" this year with an eye towards next season. By this I mean if Eli goes down I bet Geno comes in not Webb this season.
originally. Wow what a QB trio they had; Webb, Mahomes, Mayfield. Mayfield of course transferred to OU. I don't blame Webb for transferring. He lost his job because of injury initially. I also don't ding him for losing out to Mahomes. Mahomes is another top QB, and his style is a better fit for the TT offensive plan. I think Webb could be the better NFL prospect though, i guess we will see. All I know is we got Webb for a 3rd round pick, KC gave away the farm for Mahomes.
You probably don't know how valuable a guy like this can be in the locker room, in the film room and at practice. He'll make everyone around him better. He'll help younger players develop. And just maybe he can take the reins in a few years. But even if he never sees the field... trust me this guy won't be a total waste.
As I mentioned previously I was not in favor of picking a QB.
However, I am appalled by the comments on the site. People are making the most outlandish statements that could be considered slanderous.
What you can say definitively is that Webb has the physical characteristics to play in the NFL. If the Giants can mold him into a starting quality QB he will be a steal.
If not they will select another QB.
Webb has a high ceiling and a low floor.
RE: I just read that the Giants think Webb has the best arm in the draft?
...I don't believe most people are surprised. At least not those that paid attention. They may not like it but this was in the wind for a while with Garafolo and others on it and the Giants themselves indicating they were open to it during the process.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
There could not be a clearer signal that the front office believes Eli's shelf life is short. It is prudent for them to plan based on that. They need someone who is ready to play after a couple of watching and learning. We can argue all day about whether or not Webb is that guy, but a guy was needed and this is the one the front office liked.
And for the "win now" folks confused by the pick - who was on the board late in the third round that was going to make this team noticeably better this year and next? I'll stop you right there...there wasn't one. You don't get "win now" talent late in the third round unless you trip over a lottery ticket.
Right on cue, Britt barrels in with "fuck this pick" lol.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Settle down. We all know you are anti-Reese, but QB is absolutely a need.
I read that Eli is 7th all time in NFL pass attempts, 7th! Eli is my favorite athlete of all time, but he is 36 and has a ton of wear & tear on that arm.
How many developmental QB's have the Patriots taken? Who would have thought Dak would be what he is. I don't want another post Simms transition. This division has 2 young QB's in Dak & Wentz, and Cousins has proven he can win the division. Giants need to start thinking about the transition, and if the value was there, why not? They didn't mortgage a future first rounder for this pick.
Also, for all the shit the Nassib pick gets, he was a serviceable backup. I don't care who your starting QB is, teams always need a developmental QB that knows the offense. I completely understand the pick.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Britt, what direction would you have preferred we gone? What player would you have picked?
I don't pretend to know who we should have taken, I just know that we needed somebody that has the potential to contribute on offense now. Not in three years (maybe).
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
I don't buy this. There have been a ton of first round busts too.
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We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
Well, yeah, great. It's easy, we'll be just like the Patriots.
Why is it that teams like the Eagles and Patriots can take these project/prospect QB's and end up getting picks for them, then ask yourself what have we gotten in return for all of our project QB's over the past 10 years?
Frigging AJ Feely, 2nd round pick. Kevin Kolb was traded for DRC AND a 2nd round pick! What did the Pats get Matt Cassel? A first rounder? High second? What are they going to get for Garrapolo?
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
Counterpoints to a not unfair argument:
1. #3 round isnt a middle round, and each prospect needs to be considered on his own.
2. The exception is becoming increasingly common
3. Many of the top QBs are #1 overall picks -- so should we just wait until we're the worst team in the NFL.
4. I havent dont a deep dive but there are a LOT of valueless QB picks in the first and second rounds, particularly outside of the very top picks. It's hardly just midround QBs who routinely dont pan out. And blown #1s and #2s are far costlier, obviously.
5. If you hit on a QB in the 3rd round (or later), it provides a massive cap advantage.
6. You need a backup QB. Giants fans forget this because Eli has been so durable. If you dont have a playable QB, you're done. So a 3rd rounder seems appropriate.
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We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
Well, yeah, great. It's easy, we'll be just like the Patriots.
Why is it that teams like the Eagles and Patriots can take these project/prospect QB's and end up getting picks for them, then ask yourself what have we gotten in return for all of our project QB's over the past 10 years?
Frigging AJ Feely, 2nd round pick. Kevin Kolb was traded for DRC AND a 2nd round pick! What did the Pats get Matt Cassel? A first rounder? High second? What are they going to get for Garrapolo?
Because their QBs get hurt/suspended, giving backups a chance to shine?
Some posers need to come in off the ledge. The Giants didn't just flip a coin or pull him out of their ass.
Jerry Reese said he hoped that Nassib would NEVER play, but a developmental backup was a position of need after David Carr left (who was a very serviceable backup). Nassib was a solid backup for us. That isn't a meaningless position.
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but I saw an interesting video of Colin Cowherd talking about Webb. They were asking if he was a future premier QB and Colin made a good point. He said that QB is one of those positions where almost every single good QB is a 1st round pick or very close to one. He said finding QBs out of the top round is almost a fluke. Outside of Dak/Russel Wilson/Brady/Romo - look at every other good QB. And this isn't a small sample size...
I hate the mid round QB selections. Danny Kanell. Mike Cherry. Nassib. Bomar. Andre Woodson. Jesse Palmer. I just don't think the return on investment is there as often as other positions.
Counterpoints to a not unfair argument:
1. #3 round isnt a middle round, and each prospect needs to be considered on his own.
2. The exception is becoming increasingly common
3. Many of the top QBs are #1 overall picks -- so should we just wait until we're the worst team in the NFL.
4. I havent dont a deep dive but there are a LOT of valueless QB picks in the first and second rounds, particularly outside of the very top picks. It's hardly just midround QBs who routinely dont pan out. And blown #1s and #2s are far costlier, obviously.
5. If you hit on a QB in the 3rd round (or later), it provides a massive cap advantage.
6. You need a backup QB. Giants fans forget this because Eli has been so durable. If you dont have a playable QB, you're done. So a 3rd rounder seems appropriate.
Totally fair argument.
At the end of the day, really, it's a third round pick. The overreactions on both sides to this are silly. It likely won't amount to anything more than a cheap backup (sorry Brady/Rodgers/Montana/Palmer/Big Ben comps in this thread alone), but if not even that happens, whatever -- this is the point in the draft where you can take a risk and, if your team is run competently, you can easily survive it.
But, I expect some head scratchers and skinny players high- so 'wait and see.'
but, obviously Asiata was my pick there.
(1) It's an unpleasant reminder that Eli is near done.
(2) Folks hate drafting players they know won't play for a while.
But if the Giants waited to draft Eli's replacement the year before he retired or the year that he retired, fans would be screaming, "Why did the Giants wait so long? This guy isn't ready!"
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Little extreme but pretty accurate.
It's funny how a lot of posters change their position after the fact to coincide w the Giants company line. Several talented CBS went right after this shit pick that would've got Trevin Wade/Leon Hall off the field -- Jordon Lewis, Rasul Douglas, Cameron Sutton, etc. Could've made a very talented unit absolutely stacked and unfortunately a few went to division rivals.
The consistently good teams in this league hit on mid to late rounders with greater consistency than the rest of the league. Reese needs to get his shit together in this regard.
The only thing I can think of is they plan on him being the #2, potentially saving a drop against the cap having a rookie as the backup.
LOL!!
Reese sees Webb as being less "skittish".
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We didn't break twenty points in our final six games, paired with a championship caliber defense.
The time to win is now.
These project QB's are bullshit, and we never even get value in return for them like other teams do.
Jerry Reese's decade long history of shit picks outside of the first two rounds continues. Total f-cking waste.
Patriots expended 2nd and 3rd round picks on Garapollo and Brissett in respective years, while Brady is playing at an MVP level. It's called covering your ass. It would be irresponsible not to start the search for the next QB. Who knows, Eli might have told the FO privately that he's not playing beyond his current contract. Read Dave Te's stuff on him and step off the ledge.
This is a good argument for supporting this draft pick. We all know Patriots have the smartest guys running an NFL team, so copying them can't be a bad thing.
Taking Webb is a calculated risk. It looks like he's a difficult prospect to scout because his college tape is working in two weird or at least non-NFL-like offensive systems, but his physical and mental characteristics cry out NFL QB and taking him this year allows a molding and developmental process to occur on a reasonable schedule. Also, The Giants will know a lot more about their QB situation circa 2020 by next year, partly because Webb will have been working in the system for a year already.
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2) This pick was tremendous value. KC, CHicago, and Houston all mortgaged their futures to grab QB's that are roughly the same as Webb. In fact, IMO, Webb has a bigger upside.
3) I believe any of the OL players that folks are talking about, such as McDermott and Asiata, will still be there in the 4th (and maybe 5th).
So its a great value pick, and in a later round where the chances are we wouldn't get a player who can do anything for us this year anyway
Elis been hot and cold many times. He's been clutch a lot but he also has significant accuracy and timing problems even to this day.
I'm not really sold on Elis ability to throw a good deep ball anymore and I am curious to see how he throws the seam and the out routes now with Engram and Marshall here.
All QBs need playing time and some bullets flying around them. And I am not talking about 2 qtrs of a preseason game where they play with 4 starters and against even less. They need regular season snaps, and some time reading defenses and making throws. Hell, I would be fine if Webb played 85% of the snaps this pre-season!
Not saying I want Webb starting games or coming in when its 21-14 with 10 minute left, but McAdoo has to be more judicial with 4qtr snaps now that Eli is getting on in age.
Last thing I want to hear 2 years from now is..."we still do not know what we have in Davis Webb".
Sounds like Eli. Plays a style like Eli too.
I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. I am wondering what turned other teams off.
He sounds a lot like someone we know...
However, I am appalled by the comments on the site. People are making the most outlandish statements that could be considered slanderous.
What you can say definitively is that Webb has the physical characteristics to play in the NFL. If the Giants can mold him into a starting quality QB he will be a steal.
If not they will select another QB.
Webb has a high ceiling and a low floor.
Do we know for a fact that they tried to move up for mahomes? I ain't buying it. Rumors are just that.