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Could have had Howard for Engram and Webb

Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 10:59 pm
That is all. Ugh.
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RE: RE: and ellson is going to be more of a fullback  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 11:38 pm : link
In comment 13451321 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13451315 nygiants16 said:


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think the same role as bear pascoe, same role will nohnson was supposed to play..

engram will play the role will tye played and engram is not as bad of blocker as you think...

he is going to attack the middle of the field and with 4.4 speed will attract a lot of attention in the middle

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From what I know of Engram I don't expect that to be the case at all. If you're trying to utilize his speed you don't line him up our of the backfield (at least not often).


who said anytging about lining him up in the backfield?
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nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 11:39 pm : link
In comment 13451326 David in LA said:
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In comment 13451298 arcarsenal said:


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Will Tye was on the field for 65% of our downs.... he saw nearly 700 snaps. But yeah, there's no place for Engram to play.



Engram and Ellison are both likely going to be moved around a lot to create mismatches, and get a look at what the defense are doing. All the people whining about unimaginative play calling are going to see a huge difference this year. I think for McAdoo to truly run the offense the way he intended, they needed the right versatile pieces, so the same personnel gives you a ton of different looks.


people forget the loss of eill nohnson changed a lot of the play calling
RE: RE: RE: and ellson is going to be more of a fullback  
Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13451329 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13451321 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 13451315 nygiants16 said:


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think the same role as bear pascoe, same role will nohnson was supposed to play..

engram will play the role will tye played and engram is not as bad of blocker as you think...

he is going to attack the middle of the field and with 4.4 speed will attract a lot of attention in the middle

'

From what I know of Engram I don't expect that to be the case at all. If you're trying to utilize his speed you don't line him up our of the backfield (at least not often).



who said anytging about lining him up in the backfield?


Assumed that's what you meant when you compared his role to Will Johnson (our FB) and Bear Pascoe who routinely lined up in the backfield. What did you mean?
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arcarsenal : 4/28/2017 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13451314 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13451298 arcarsenal said:


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Will Tye was on the field for 65% of our downs.... he saw nearly 700 snaps. But yeah, there's no place for Engram to play.



Yea and he's being replaced by two players Ellison and Engram. So 60%ish still makes perfect sense.


You realize we had more than 1 TE on the roster last year, right? Ellison isn't replacing Tye.
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Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13451326 David in LA said:
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In comment 13451298 arcarsenal said:


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Will Tye was on the field for 65% of our downs.... he saw nearly 700 snaps. But yeah, there's no place for Engram to play.



Engram and Ellison are both likely going to be moved around a lot to create mismatches, and get a look at what the defense are doing. All the people whining about unimaginative play calling are going to see a huge difference this year. I think for McAdoo to truly run the offense the way he intended, they needed the right versatile pieces, so the same personnel gives you a ton of different looks.


I REALLY hope you're right.
RE: RE: RE: RE: and ellson is going to be more of a fullback  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 11:42 pm : link
In comment 13451333 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13451329 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13451321 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 13451315 nygiants16 said:


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think the same role as bear pascoe, same role will nohnson was supposed to play..

engram will play the role will tye played and engram is not as bad of blocker as you think...

he is going to attack the middle of the field and with 4.4 speed will attract a lot of attention in the middle

'

From what I know of Engram I don't expect that to be the case at all. If you're trying to utilize his speed you don't line him up our of the backfield (at least not often).



who said anytging about lining him up in the backfield?



Assumed that's what you meant when you compared his role to Will Johnson (our FB) and Bear Pascoe who routinely lined up in the backfield. What did you mean?


i saod ellson woild take that role..

engram will line up in the natural tight end spot ehile also splitting out ala jordan reed...

he is going to be a force in the west coast offense, did you see how much better the packers were with jared cook?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: and ellson is going to be more of a fullback  
Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13451342 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13451333 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 13451329 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13451321 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 13451315 nygiants16 said:


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think the same role as bear pascoe, same role will nohnson was supposed to play..

engram will play the role will tye played and engram is not as bad of blocker as you think...

he is going to attack the middle of the field and with 4.4 speed will attract a lot of attention in the middle

'

From what I know of Engram I don't expect that to be the case at all. If you're trying to utilize his speed you don't line him up our of the backfield (at least not often).



who said anytging about lining him up in the backfield?



Assumed that's what you meant when you compared his role to Will Johnson (our FB) and Bear Pascoe who routinely lined up in the backfield. What did you mean?



i saod ellson woild take that role..

engram will line up in the natural tight end spot ehile also splitting out ala jordan reed...

he is going to be a force in the west coast offense, did you see how much better the packers were with jared cook?


You can't do that when you have a shitty oline. They're going to have to utilize an inline TE more than you're anticipating unless Flowers somehow makes a huge leap this year.
engram is not a horrible blocker  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2017 11:48 pm : link
he can handle himself against linebackers and he will get a little bigger under an nfl regimin..

he is not a horrible blocker
Standing by a comment..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/28/2017 11:49 pm : link
that actually suggests the GM should be fired because of the Apple pick and that were are a poorly run organization takes some true balls of stupidity.
RE: Standing by a comment..  
Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13451356 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that actually suggests the GM should be fired because of the Apple pick and that were are a poorly run organization takes some true balls of stupidity.


I said it was time to fire him b/c of the leaks and the fact that the giants were not a well run organization. They were also were a horrible run team for 4 years in a row. I didn't say to fire him b/c of the single apple pick. To suggest otherwise is simply your trying to be a dick.
this is an aggressive thread.  
BlackburnBalledOut : 4/29/2017 12:30 am : link
why is everyone on here so negative towards other opinions? they're just thoughts. we're all fans of the same squad. we all want the giants to be successfull. too much hate going on.

Lets go Giants.
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annexOPR : 4/29/2017 12:35 am : link
AND WE COULDA HAD SHAWN MERRIMAN HAD WE NOT OVERPAID FOR ELI TOO ?!?
I don't like the Webb pick at all, but I think one can only arrive at  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 12:52 am : link
the OP's POV by badly underestimating how good Evan Engram is.
Josh  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/29/2017 1:13 am : link
I have a username for reality kings. Would you like it?
Could have had Howard for Engram and Webb  
Torrag : 4/29/2017 1:45 am : link
What a stupid post. As if the Giants had any clue Webb would be on the board #87...or would give up the opportunity to draft him if they did know. You suck.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/29/2017 5:32 am : link
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I said it was time to fire him b/c of the leaks and the fact that the giants were not a well run organization. They were also were a horrible run team for 4 years in a row. I didn't say to fire him b/c of the single apple pick. To suggest otherwise is simply your trying to be a dick.


Dress it up any way you like and it was a moronic comment last year. By a poster with a history of moronic comments. Who apparently stands by moronic comments instead of realizing he's fucking wrong.

A lot.
RE: An H-back guy  
Tuckrule : 4/29/2017 7:14 am : link
In comment 13451163 Josh in the City said:
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Who won't even start in our base 11 personnel and an average developmental qb prospect over the best college TE in the past few years. Gotta love BBI.


Lmao maybe we won't be in a base 11 personnel how bout that novel idea?
RE: .  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/29/2017 8:34 am : link
In comment 13451213 arcarsenal said:
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This guy is basically one of the whiniest posters on BBI, so.. this is basically par for the course.

This
You guys are ridiculous  
Josh in the City : 4/29/2017 8:37 am : link
When you don't agree with an opinion it becomes about the poster. Typical bbi.
RE: You guys are ridiculous  
Klaatu : 4/29/2017 8:52 am : link
In comment 13451698 Josh in the City said:
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When you don't agree with an opinion it becomes about the poster. Typical bbi.


Oh, woe is you!

Act like an ass...again...get called on it, then play the victim card. It's not me, it's BBI!
Klaatu - what do you think of this DT?  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2017 8:54 am : link
I was out last night and didn't get the low-down...
RE: Klaatu - what do you think of this DT?  
Klaatu : 4/29/2017 8:58 am : link
In comment 13451730 Jimmy Googs said:
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I was out last night and didn't get the low-down...


Well, he was part of my second Master Plan, so I do like him.
You need to get over the idea that you are right  
Mike from Ohio : 4/29/2017 9:02 am : link
and everyone else is wrong. You have an opinion that is not the same as many others. That is not because they are all dumb.
I wouldn't trade Engram  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/29/2017 9:07 am : link
for Howard straight up.

Howard doesn't strike me as a guy that wants to win.
RE: You need to get over the idea that you are right  
nygiants16 : 4/29/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13451743 Mike from Ohio said:
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and everyone else is wrong. You have an opinion that is not the same as many others. That is not because they are all dumb.


correction we are dumb, we are blind homers...god forbid we let these guys play first
RE: RE: Klaatu - what do you think of this DT?  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13451735 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13451730 Jimmy Googs said:


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I was out last night and didn't get the low-down...



Well, he was part of my second Master Plan, so I do like him.


ok, what was the first master plan if I may ask?
Klaatu  
cosmicj : 4/29/2017 9:10 am : link
Nice work on those master plans. To me, the Tomlinson pick is a very safe high floor one. I expect him to be starting by October.
RE: RE: You guys are ridiculous  
Josh in the City : 4/29/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13451725 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13451698 Josh in the City said:


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When you don't agree with an opinion it becomes about the poster. Typical bbi.



Oh, woe is you!

Act like an ass...again...get called on it, then play the victim card. It's not me, it's BBI!


Act like an ass?! Please tell me where I acted like an aas. Having a different opinion isn't acting like an ass.
RE: RE: RE: Klaatu - what do you think of this DT?  
Klaatu : 4/29/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13451760 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13451735 Klaatu said:


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In comment 13451730 Jimmy Googs said:


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I was out last night and didn't get the low-down...



Well, he was part of my second Master Plan, so I do like him.



ok, what was the first master plan if I may ask?


This.
RE: RE: RE: You guys are ridiculous  
Klaatu : 4/29/2017 9:23 am : link
In comment 13451785 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13451725 Klaatu said:


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In comment 13451698 Josh in the City said:


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When you don't agree with an opinion it becomes about the poster. Typical bbi.



Oh, woe is you!

Act like an ass...again...get called on it, then play the victim card. It's not me, it's BBI!



Act like an ass?! Please tell me where I acted like an aas. Having a different opinion isn't acting like an ass.


Oh, I'm sorry. I said "ass" when I meant "whiny little douchebag."
Just tell these guys to look up Reese's draft record  
ghost718 : 4/29/2017 9:25 am : link
That by itself is worse than any insult most can think of.
Impressive projections my man.  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2017 9:25 am : link
Nailing our #1 and #2. Doesn't matter that it was in two different threads either.

You trying to to take Ranaan's job?

RE: Just tell these guys to look up Reese's draft record  
Klaatu : 4/29/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13451814 ghost718 said:
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That by itself is worse than any insult most can think of.


Or you can look at his two Super Bowl rings. Those by themselves should satisfy most fans, except for the whiny little douchebags among us who have nothing better to do than piss and moan, and who rarely have anything constructive to say.
I think that what has gone on kinda negates the 2 Superbowls  
ghost718 : 4/29/2017 9:37 am : link
Or at the very least would make me take a closer look at those victories,and just who was responsible.

But we know that's a waste of time with some people.
RE: I think that what has gone on kinda negates the 2 Superbowls  
Klaatu : 4/29/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13451844 ghost718 said:
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Or at the very least would make me take a closer look at those victories,and just who was responsible.

But we know that's a waste of time with some people.


An objective review of JR's draft history would show an abysmal 2011 and 2012, but 2007-2010 netted a whole bunch of starters and valuable role-players who were integral parts of two championship teams. 2013 to the present seems to have washed the bad taste of 2011 and 2012 out of the mouths of all concerned, except for those who are not interested in an objective review, and do little more than spout off with incessant anti-Reese posts.
There's no doubt that Reese's performance suffered  
cosmicj : 4/29/2017 9:53 am : link
Early in this decade, but it looks like he took a hard look in the mirror and has gone back to previous form.
RE: An H-back guy  
Rflairr : 4/29/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13451163 Josh in the City said:
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Who won't even start in our base 11 personnel and an average developmental qb prospect over the best college TE in the past few years. Gotta love BBI.


Howard is this how? Based on what? Certainly not production in College
RE: I think that what has gone on kinda negates the 2 Superbowls  
Rflairr : 4/29/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13451844 ghost718 said:
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Or at the very least would make me take a closer look at those victories,and just who was responsible.

But we know that's a waste of time with some people.


You're just being a fucking idiot now
Hey Rflair  
ghost718 : 4/29/2017 9:59 am : link
The Giants never took Coby Fleener

Just thought you should know
RE: I think that what has gone on kinda negates the 2 Superbowls  
Giantology : 4/29/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13451844 ghost718 said:
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Or at the very least would make me take a closer look at those victories,and just who was responsible.

But we know that's a waste of time with some people.


Right, the 2007 draft class had no impact and all of the key players in the 2011 Super Bowl weren't Reese picks. Like Jerry had nothing to do with it, even though before he was the GM, he was helping run the drafts with said key players.
RE: RE: RE: You guys are ridiculous  
mfsd : 4/29/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13451785 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13451725 Klaatu said:


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In comment 13451698 Josh in the City said:


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When you don't agree with an opinion it becomes about the poster. Typical bbi.



Oh, woe is you!

Act like an ass...again...get called on it, then play the victim card. It's not me, it's BBI!



Act like an ass?! Please tell me where I acted like an aas. Having a different opinion isn't acting like an ass.


Have a different opinion is reasonable. Starting your own thread to rant about it, when every else is fine discussing it on the thread started to discuss it is acting like an ass. Period. The end.
LOL..  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2017 11:49 am : link
ghost718 literally LIVES to fucking whine about Jerry Reese. It's like Reese personally came by and took a giant dump in his living room and lit it on fire.

Have not once seen this poster contribute anything of value to this board. Every single post is complaining about Reese.

Go root for the fucking Browns, Jets, Bengals, or any other team that is starved for actual success and let us know how it is over there.
RE: There's no doubt that Reese's performance suffered  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13451889 cosmicj said:
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Early in this decade, but it looks like he took a hard look in the mirror and has gone back to previous form.


Succinct and cogent. I never expect less
RE: LOL..  
ghost718 : 4/29/2017 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13452129 arcarsenal said:
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ghost718 literally LIVES to fucking whine about Jerry Reese. It's like Reese personally came by and took a giant dump in his living room and lit it on fire.

Have not once seen this poster contribute anything of value to this board. Every single post is complaining about Reese.

Go root for the fucking Browns, Jets, Bengals, or any other team that is starved for actual success and let us know how it is over there.


Nah I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing,and not give a shit what you think.

and you can do your thing,that is being wrong most of the time.
Is there nothing the OP won't complain about?  
Section331 : 4/29/2017 12:23 pm : link
I wanted Howard, too, but Engram looks like a great pick, and I REALLY like Webb. In 3 or 4 years, if Webb is our starter, will he still complain about not trading up? This is silly. Howard is a much better blocker, but Engram is much more of a threat. I'd rather have the 3rd rounder and Engram than Howard.
I don't think Howard will be any better than EE  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2017 12:25 pm : link
and then we also got a potential future QB. That sounds like a deal to me.
RE: RE: LOL..  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13452171 ghost718 said:
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In comment 13452129 arcarsenal said:


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ghost718 literally LIVES to fucking whine about Jerry Reese. It's like Reese personally came by and took a giant dump in his living room and lit it on fire.

Have not once seen this poster contribute anything of value to this board. Every single post is complaining about Reese.

Go root for the fucking Browns, Jets, Bengals, or any other team that is starved for actual success and let us know how it is over there.



Nah I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing,and not give a shit what you think.

and you can do your thing,that is being wrong most of the time.


I'm sure you don't care what I think. Just letting you know that your contributions here are literally worthless.

If that's your goal, cool. The next interesting football point you make will be the first. I can't imagine logging onto this site each and every day to complain about the same thing. But you keep on keepin' on, sweetheart. :)
RE: RE: RE: LOL..  
mfsd : 4/29/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13452200 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13452171 ghost718 said:


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In comment 13452129 arcarsenal said:


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ghost718 literally LIVES to fucking whine about Jerry Reese. It's like Reese personally came by and took a giant dump in his living room and lit it on fire.

Have not once seen this poster contribute anything of value to this board. Every single post is complaining about Reese.

Go root for the fucking Browns, Jets, Bengals, or any other team that is starved for actual success and let us know how it is over there.



Nah I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing,and not give a shit what you think.

and you can do your thing,that is being wrong most of the time.



I'm sure you don't care what I think. Just letting you know that your contributions here are literally worthless.

If that's your goal, cool. The next interesting football point you make will be the first. I can't imagine logging onto this site each and every day to complain about the same thing. But you keep on keepin' on, sweetheart. :)


Stop arguing with her arc, she's not worth your time
Well thanks for the news bulletin  
ghost718 : 4/29/2017 12:38 pm : link
But that also goes in the I don't give a shit file,which you just acknowledged exists.

Have fun chasing down new users suspected of being dupes
killer insults here..  
GMenLTS : 4/29/2017 12:43 pm : link
I'm seriously shocked at any handwringing over the engram pick.

He fills such a huge need, was likely top on the board and it's crazy to me to think people are upset about that one.

I can get the apprehension about the QB but for myself, as someone who didn't like the pick, I just look north a little and think if it's a good enough strategy for BB, I'll give him some time to develop before I get upset about it. Fact is this draft did not play nice with the positional holes we have and I'd rather us stick to the board than reach for needs.

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