Howard's the better inline blocker, but I think EE is going to be moved around a lot to create mismatches. He could be a queen on the chessboard type of weapon for us. Howard has all the physical gifts, but I'm not sure he's really ever going to live up to how gifted he is.
RE: RE: RE: You've been whining this entire draft.
i love how everyone thinks trading is like taking a piss....you NEED TO HAVE TWO TEAMS TO MAKE A TRADE. another team has to want to move down....im taking engram and webb....not because its what we did but because i like engram and i like the upside of the webb pick especially where we got him. in round 2 id agree but that pick with nobody else as a standout need at 87, webb was a good pick
if you are that unhappy with the Giants. If Howard was that much of a can't miss prospect he wouldn't have lasted until the 19 pick. Howard is not rated that much higher than Engram. In a nutshell, Engram + Webb > Howard.
RE: Just looked at the Eli Apple thread from last years draft.!
Yea b/c we had two teams jump us b/c everyone and their mother knew who we were targeting last year. So contextually it WAS a disaster! Wasn't in reference to Eli Apple as a player.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You've been whining this entire draft.
Not something that is going to bother me after tonight. But like many here (who seem to have suddenly changed their mind) I thought Howard was a perfect fit for our needs and when he lasted past 16 wanted us to go get him. According to the value chart a 3rd rounder would have been more than enough to get him. Seeing what we ended up with makes it an even tougher pill to swallow and I thought it was worth pointing out and having a discussion about it.
RE: RE: Just looked at the Eli Apple thread from last years draft.!
Yea b/c we had two teams jump us b/c everyone and their mother knew who we were targeting last year. So contextually it WAS a disaster! Wasn't in reference to Eli Apple as a player.
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Josh in the City : 9:49 pm : link
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Funny, the guy who runs the offense seems to disagree, but I'm sure you know better.
While I'm sure we won't run 11 personnel 96% of the time this year, it will most definitely still be our primary grouping. Engram isn't starting over OBJ, MArshall and Shep. He's not an inline blocker so not starting over Ellison. He might get put into one of those positions every so often but no, I don't believe he will be a starting player this year (and no, that doesn't mean I don't expect him to get around 60% of snaps).
RE: RE: RE: Just looked at the Eli Apple thread from last years draft.!
Yea b/c we had two teams jump us b/c everyone and their mother knew who we were targeting last year. So contextually it WAS a disaster! Wasn't in reference to Eli Apple as a player.
Here's your next comment:
With a top 10
Josh in the City : 9:49 pm : link
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Again, being a whiny bitch.
I stand by that comment (I literally just said the same thing a few comments up). Glad Apple seems to have worked out but he was clearly not who they wanted there.
What kind of dummy decides he knows how the lineup is going to work
11 personnel was a product of the actual personnel on the team last year. We had no player with Engram's skill set. To assume we drafted this kid to have him stand on the sidelines for half of games is quite frankly, fucking moronic.
11 personnel was a product of the actual personnel on the team last year. We had no player with Engram's skill set. To assume we drafted this kid to have him stand on the sidelines for half of games is quite frankly, fucking moronic.
So which one of the guys I mentioned is being taken off the field?
11 personnel was a product of the actual personnel on the team last year. We had no player with Engram's skill set. To assume we drafted this kid to have him stand on the sidelines for half of games is quite frankly, fucking moronic.
So which one of the guys I mentioned is being taken off the field?
11 personnel was a product of the actual personnel on the team last year. We had no player with Engram's skill set. To assume we drafted this kid to have him stand on the sidelines for half of games is quite frankly, fucking moronic.
So which one of the guys I mentioned is being taken off the field?
Ellison.
You don't really think Ellison is going to be on the field for more than 50% of the snaps, do you? He's a situational player.
I swear some of the people on here are performance artists maintaining a character instead of adults trying to convince other adults of the value of their viewpoints
he did this exact same thing last year, this is nothing new
Whining bc I don't like the picks! Should I pretend to be enthusiastic about picks that aren't good?
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Wouldn't have mattered who we took after your pissies about Engram. You will find fault with tomorrow as well..We get it..Enough already
he did this exact same thing last year, this is nothing new
Go into the archives. You're wrong, I liked last years draft a lot.
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Wouldn't have mattered who we took after your pissies about Engram. You will find fault with tomorrow as well..We get it..Enough already
Whining bc I don't like the picks! Should I pretend to be enthusiastic about picks that aren't good?
you did the same thing last year and how does last years draft look so far?
hoe about we let the kids play first?
Don't be surprised if Engram turns out better than Howard. Howard was gone when we picked anyway so who cares
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Wouldn't have mattered who we took after your pissies about Engram. You will find fault with tomorrow as well..We get it..Enough already
Whining bc I don't like the picks! Should I pretend to be enthusiastic about picks that aren't good?
No but you can stop acting like you know better than the coaches and the general manager
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Wouldn't have mattered who we took after your pissies about Engram. You will find fault with tomorrow as well..We get it..Enough already
Whining bc I don't like the picks! Should I pretend to be enthusiastic about picks that aren't good?
No but you can stop acting like you know better than the coaches and the general manager
Not acting like I know better...giving my opinion. Hope I'm wrong!
"What a fucking disaster..."
"What a fucking disaster..."
Yea b/c we had two teams jump us b/c everyone and their mother knew who we were targeting last year. So contextually it WAS a disaster! Wasn't in reference to Eli Apple as a player.
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In comment 13451145 Big Blue '56 said:
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Wouldn't have mattered who we took after your pissies about Engram. You will find fault with tomorrow as well..We get it..Enough already
Whining bc I don't like the picks! Should I pretend to be enthusiastic about picks that aren't good?
No but you can stop acting like you know better than the coaches and the general manager
Not acting like I know better...giving my opinion. Hope I'm wrong!
Not really, that comment you made about Ingram being an HBack sounded more like you were giving a fact then your opinion
Not something that is going to bother me after tonight. But like many here (who seem to have suddenly changed their mind) I thought Howard was a perfect fit for our needs and when he lasted past 16 wanted us to go get him. According to the value chart a 3rd rounder would have been more than enough to get him. Seeing what we ended up with makes it an even tougher pill to swallow and I thought it was worth pointing out and having a discussion about it.
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Your first comment after he was selected was....
"What a fucking disaster..."
Yea b/c we had two teams jump us b/c everyone and their mother knew who we were targeting last year. So contextually it WAS a disaster! Wasn't in reference to Eli Apple as a player.
Here's your next comment:
With a top 10
Josh in the City : 9:49 pm : link
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Again, being a whiny bitch.
While I'm sure we won't run 11 personnel 96% of the time this year, it will most definitely still be our primary grouping. Engram isn't starting over OBJ, MArshall and Shep. He's not an inline blocker so not starting over Ellison. He might get put into one of those positions every so often but no, I don't believe he will be a starting player this year (and no, that doesn't mean I don't expect him to get around 60% of snaps).
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Your first comment after he was selected was....
"What a fucking disaster..."
Yea b/c we had two teams jump us b/c everyone and their mother knew who we were targeting last year. So contextually it WAS a disaster! Wasn't in reference to Eli Apple as a player.
Here's your next comment:
With a top 10
Josh in the City : 9:49 pm : link
pick you don't go for someone with big upside. You go for someone who is ready to start and contribute immediately. This was a bad pick and the Giants got caught with their pants down...again. Every team knew who the Giants wanted and they were leapfrogged twice b/c of it. The Giants are no longer a well run organization. It's time to fire Jerry Reese.
Again, being a whiny bitch.
I stand by that comment (I literally just said the same thing a few comments up). Glad Apple seems to have worked out but he was clearly not who they wanted there.
Someone who doesn't expect a team with the same coaching staff to revamp an entire playbook in an offseason. Stop being a homer.
So which one of the guys I mentioned is being taken off the field?
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11 personnel was a product of the actual personnel on the team last year. We had no player with Engram's skill set. To assume we drafted this kid to have him stand on the sidelines for half of games is quite frankly, fucking moronic.
So which one of the guys I mentioned is being taken off the field?
how about will tye?
Again - the Giants did not draft Evan Engram to have him watch half of the game from the sideline. He's going to play and he's going to play often.
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11 personnel was a product of the actual personnel on the team last year. We had no player with Engram's skill set. To assume we drafted this kid to have him stand on the sidelines for half of games is quite frankly, fucking moronic.
So which one of the guys I mentioned is being taken off the field?
Ellison.
You don't really think Ellison is going to be on the field for more than 50% of the snaps, do you? He's a situational player.