this time in the third round. The Patriots, having just selected their first pick two picks before, traded up to pick #85 to select OT Antonio Garcia, and then Kansas City traded up to #86 to select RB Kareem Hunt.
Now for all we know the Giants were dead set on taking Webb at #87, or the Pats and Chiefs may have been worried some other team behind the Giants wanted these players. But the players they chose are certainly both at positions of need for the Giants, and it's not unreasonable to think the Patriots and Chiefs made their moves in order to beat the Giants to these picks.
We'll probably never know. And having this happen in the third round is certainly less of an issue than what seemed to happen last year in the first round. But it does seem a bit curious.
Oh, Hunt is gone...let's grab Webb. That's it...Garcia's taken, grab Webb.
I am assuming grabbing Webb was decided early in the round and discussed several times
JR outsmarted them again
It's a lot different than the 1st round where teams actually do draft similulations
I like Foreman as a bruiser and he'd be cheaper(but Blount is an option) so that's why I say the OT.
Now Jourdan Lewis did have GREAT value at CB and is a need even more pressing than QB, which is a need whether people want to see it or not. So as some have said we take a gamble on a spread QB with the great potential and some rough spot but all rough spots that are correctable with good coaching. He sits behind Eli for 2 yr minimum (barring injury) gets the coaching and a mentor. Now bad for the long term plan whereas we reach the next 2 yrs for a QB or over pay in FA and that is a cap killer ... how often has that worked for teams?
And even though Reese has made many picks in his tenure that run contradictory to our vision we still love to assume he has the same vision we do. It should be clear now that is just Not the case
Or do you believe the Giants "telegraphed" their intention to take a specific player with a specific pick, and it cost the Giants? If so, let me assure you that didn't happen.
The front office telegraphing all their picks and getting beat to them is starting to take on a BBI life like stealing Cruz from the Jets and getting the Saints first rounder for Shockey...
It's really laughable.
The Giants clearly need OL and RB help. Teams that wanted these players thought they might not make it past the Giants.
It's not rocket science and it happens to many teams every year.
They felt the need to get in front of somebody. That's the fact, not an alternative one.
Maybe they wanted to get in front of Miami, which had pick #86 before trading it to get KC. Maybe it was the Giants at #87. But somebody in the New England front office thought it was important enough to pull the trigger for an OT who was probably one of the last available with some starting-level qualities in the NFL.
People ARE going to keep moving ahead of the Giants to take Tackles until the Giants actually draft one.
The Giants clearly need OL and RB help. Teams that wanted these players thought they might not make it past the Giants.
It's not rocket science and it happens to many teams every year.
I agree with this, actually. But it is a matter of those teams being more aggressive in pursuing their needs. I would have liked to have seen the Giants doing that, particularly for OL.
If you consider the possibility that they didn't have a strong belief in any of those guys (a very distinct possibility) then it makes complete sense why they didn't trade up to get one. Fans like to believe the Giants are desperately looking for a tackle in this draft, and their is simply no evidence that that is the case.
If you consider the possibility that they didn't have a strong belief in any of those guys (a very distinct possibility) then it makes complete sense why they didn't trade up to get one. Fans like to believe the Giants are desperately looking for a tackle in this draft, and their is simply no evidence that that is the case.
Well, I'd say it is the fans, or some of them anyway, who are desperate for OT help this offseason, and there is little evidence that the front office is (I don't believe the signing of Fluker was a serious attempt to address the situation).
Posters on other threads have pointed out that the Giants have invested more draft resources in their OLine in recent years than the Patriots. But here is a case where New England made a calculated mid-round investment that the Giants presumably were not wiling to match. It seems like their approach has been more cost-effective in the long run. I guess we'll have to wait and see how Garcia turns out.
You're right, of course. We may never know. The best we can do is keep track of what Garcia does (and Hunt, for that matter) in future years. I guess that's what makes the draft fun.
Anyway, I appreciate your constructive discussion.