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How much do the Giants value offensive line.

LauderdaleMatty : 4/29/2017 8:18 am
I started this because IMO I do bit think the current GM and his staff value OL nearly as much as they should

I don't believe you can judge any GM year to year. It isn't really fair. And I like he first two picks this year. And I also know it's harder to find NFL ready offensive linemen as the college game has changed.

But here's a quick loomaf Reese's investment in the OL over his tenure as GM vs the other position groups

OL. Rounds 1-3. 4 picks
DL. Rnds 1-3. 9 picks
WR 1-3. 9 picks
DB. 1-3. 9 picks

Now along w that the only two guys I can remember them targeting As starter level FAs were Baas who. Was never healthy and Schwartz. Neither guys you would say were studs. Not like grabbing Vernon or Rolle.

So you don't draft peremium players alll that much and you don't sign FAs.

So people who want to give Reese cover fine. But to me it's like LB. He just doesn't invest in it. Hence why that group is thin and for the 5th year in a row highly suspect
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OL looks like it's going to be somewhere between  
The_Boss : 4/29/2017 11:14 am : link
Mediocre to bad once again. Normally I would take this opportunity to excoriate the GM, but to be fair, we didn't have the cap space to chase the (few) quality FA OL this year and the draftsble OL prospects were/are poor and that can be backed up with the paucity of OL drafted through 3 rounds. I think the number is 7?? Anyway, what concerns me beyond how the OL is going to perform in 2017 is who is going to be around in 2018? I don't think Pugh is close to an $8 million per year OG, but I'm sure he might get it on the open market and Richburg is a slightly above average OC, at best. Fluker is a FA and Flowers (if he doesn't markedly improve) is heading down Bust Avenue.
RE: so  
81_Great_Dane : 4/29/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13451690 Eric from BBI said:
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if you want to criticize Reese, don't criticize him for not investing picks. Criticize him for picking the wrong guys.
Exactly. They've put a ton of resources into O-line. But they haven't got the results.
this OL class sucks  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 11:19 am : link
and the giants will be much better off long term going in the direction they have

in my mock I didn't bother with an OL early for the same reason. Day 3 I wouldn't be shocked if they drafted least 1 (possibly 2) developmental prospects to try and coach up.

Lamp in the 2nd round would've been the only logical choice, but staying put for Tomlinson will pay off in other ways.

I expect the Giants would've drafted accordingly had they felt the OT/G were worth it. Instead they add a potential unstoppable force to the receiving corp, the best run stopping DT, and the potential successor to Eli.

we will never know if a trade down was available  
idiotsavant : 4/29/2017 11:22 am : link
but a magic move that could have been within this context

and asiata vs the QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's been addressed in the OTHER thread  
David in LA : 4/29/2017 1:06 pm : link
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your dumb take doesn't require another thread dedicated to it. It's already been shitted on by multiple posters.



Poor fatty. Sitting at his desk with his untucked shirt. So Reese has invested lot of players in the OL in 10 years. Missed that. PleAse copy and paste for me fatty



Not fat. That's now three swings and three misses for you this morning. Look at the rousing support you're getting on this thread. You got caught with your pants down in the logic department, and hurl an insult when cornered. That's the tactic of someone without a leg to stand on.



David, you didn't respond to the comment about your shirt being untucked. I think we - as witnesses to this brilliant exchange - deserve to know the truth about these rumors of slovenly dress.


Lmao!
RE: We are going to have a quick hitting offense  
mdc1 : 4/29/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13451672 UConn4523 said:
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where pass pro won't be as big a factor as it was under Gillbride. We have the weapons now to pull it off. We also invested in running the ball more.

With the contracts out there for average lineman we took a different approach to fixing a weakness. We'll see how it pans out.


I think the Giants have dumbed down on stupid again here, regardless of whether this is an on year or off year for oline picks. Right now we have guys that should not be playing. What do we do we select an hback receiver type at TE that is not a blocker? Eli is not mobile enough to deal with the lack of talent up front. You win championships in the trenches, this unit will not do it. You can re-arrange the deck chairs, plug holes, put lipstick on a pig, but at the end of the day its still a pig.
The giants probably like their guards very much  
djm : 4/29/2017 1:25 pm : link
They definitely like their center. They obviously trust flowers and feel he's about to enter his prime in year 3, which happens virtually all the time but in the world of BBI he's garbage and forever will be garbage. Giants have been right about younger players that needed time to develop and they have been wrong but I feel like their track record warrants some faith. Gasp.

The only position they probably feel needs talent infusion is RT and stop me if I'm going to fast, they might not like the players in this draft.

Hard to process I know. Let it marinate a bit.
Very few on here want to acknowledge  
djm : 4/29/2017 1:29 pm : link
That teams in this era, giants included are comfortable with having one or two areas of the team comprised of lesser quality talent. As long as those players are reliable and professional they figure they can make do. The giants aren't the only good team with flaws. The giants aren't the only team with flawed olines.

Three highly drafted players are on this line. Four if you count fluker. The key is flowers. If he gets even a little better the unit will be fine and actually house a lot of depth.

They addressed the OL for past several years  
micky : 4/29/2017 3:40 pm : link
Unfortunately, the whiffed on talent evaluation for 3/5ths of that line..via draft and fa.

They may be handcuffed..the offense that is..again this year. It's up to Eli now to overcome it.
RE: so  
widmerseyebrow : 4/29/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13451690 Eric from BBI said:
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if you want to criticize Reese, don't criticize him for not investing picks. Criticize him for picking the wrong guys.


Absolutely on the guys he picks. And also for not bringing in additional competition when offensive line was arguable the weakest spot on the team.
Just because there weren't any good 1st round left tackles  
widmerseyebrow : 4/29/2017 3:53 pm : link
Doesn't mean there weren't any quality offensive linemen in the entire draft. We could use competition at guard just as badly as tackle.
Big IF but  
mrvax : 4/29/2017 4:05 pm : link
if Fluker & Flowers can improve a little, this Oline could become average this season.
RE: Big IF but  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/29/2017 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13453044 mrvax said:
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if Fluker & Flowers can improve a little, this Oline could become average this season.


So that's the goal? Average. The whole point of the thread is to point out he fallacy that the Giants FO really does put assets into the OL. They missed on. Bromley. They grabbed Tomlinson. They missed on Hosley they grab Apple and sign DRC.

When Reese took over the OL was set. So for 5 years he took one OL in the top 3 rounds. Then he had to force pick OL. None of them Pro bowlers by any stretch. . And in the same time when he's missed on DBs DTs and CBs he goes out and gets them.

Anyone who enjoyed the offense last year is a massochist. The OL has sucked for 5 years and this year Iike younim praying the OL takes a step forward. But if Webb is a future pick and they can't sign Pugh in the offseason. And Fluker leaves the OL is fucked.

A RB In Rd 4 over Asiata or anyone else?
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