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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 8:36 am
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Asiata all day  
idiotsavant : 4/29/2017 10:08 am : link
not that knowledgeable on Ol this year.

Lacking any, (if so) a RB that can get to the edge DAMN QUICK-LIKE might help alleviate the weak run situation and lack of play action.

Quick I mean quick
Do you do a need pick or a best player pick?  
chiefmps : 4/29/2017 10:09 am : link
I hate to say this but this Giants offensive line is BAD! I Don't see them doing as well this year, harder schedule then last year. Must draft at least one hopeful offensive lineman with one of the next four picks, prefer two but likely to get one. If the Giants don't improve their offensive line they will be lucky to go 8 and 8. Yes, improve and what they have now.
Perine would be nice  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 10:24 am : link
If they don't draft a RB then Blount is almost certainly a Giant by Monday
Vince biegel please  
Tuckrule : 4/29/2017 10:25 am : link
. Can play inside or outside
80 G/C Isaac Asiata 63/335 Utah  
Carson53 : 4/29/2017 10:32 am : link
Well, did he play predominantly guard or center for the Utes?
My other question, now that other kid McDermott (UCLA),
is he that big LT? I would hope they go O Line in 4th.
Maybe RB in the 5th?

Off topic, I noticed James Conner went in the 3rd to the
Steelers, was kind of hoping he would be around day 3.
I was on his bandwagon, and I am pulling for that young man!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 10:32 am : link
Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 15s15 seconds ago

Giants picked 11 spots lower in 4th round today as part of penalty for "walkie-talkie gate" game against Cowboys.
Eric from BBI  
EB222 : 4/29/2017 10:32 am : link

Relax. After failing to secure a first round talent with each day three pick, Jerry Reese will be forced to admit,"Gee, this drafting process isn't as easy as I
thought it would be."

All BBI will rejoice.
RE: ...  
Carson53 : 4/29/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13451971 Eric from BBI said:
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Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 15s15 seconds ago

Giants picked 11 spots lower in 4th round today as part of penalty for "walkie-talkie gate" game against Cowboys.
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Could have been worst, could have lost a pick TBH.
Thanks for the reminder, kind of forgot myself.
Hopefully there is a run on TE's and QB's in the 4th round  
mofti : 4/29/2017 10:42 am : link
That will allow some OL, RB, or LB prospects to talk to us.
Any chance  
Mr. Nickels : 4/29/2017 10:57 am : link
we move back up (maybe even higher than our original pick)?

What would that take
This is the Round I'd like to trade up in  
Torrag : 4/29/2017 11:00 am : link
Hate that almost two full traditional Rounds will have passed between our 3rd and pick #140 with the depth of talent in this class.
RE: ...  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13451835 Eric from BBI said:
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I love the draft but this is the day I dread on BBI given the reactions to 4-7 round picks.


BBI didn't pick the likes of Adriene Robinson and Mykelle Thompson.
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PatersonPlank : 4/29/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13452014 jeff57 said:
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In comment 13451835 Eric from BBI said:


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I love the draft but this is the day I dread on BBI given the reactions to 4-7 round picks.



BBI didn't pick the likes of Adriene Robinson and Mykelle Thompson.


And I still don't like those picks
RE: ...  
Rory : 4/29/2017 11:04 am : link
In comment 13451971 Eric from BBI said:
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Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 15s15 seconds ago

Giants picked 11 spots lower in 4th round today as part of penalty for "walkie-talkie gate" game against Cowboys.


why does every controversial story thats related to breaking rules have to have the word "gate" at the end lol
Considering the Giants are in win now mode  
Matt in SGS : 4/29/2017 11:04 am : link
I wonder if we see the Giants trade a later round pick for a veteran who can fill in for one year or so. That could be pretty much in any area of need (OL, DL, LB, RB). I'd be curious if they pull a trigger like that in the 5th or 6th round.
Early odds say  
WillVAB : 4/29/2017 11:06 am : link
Giants takes a shitty LB who barely plays specials.
Perine, McNichols or Asiata  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 11:07 am : link
If one of them is there at 140, and they don't take him, I'll be pissed.
...  
est1986 : 4/29/2017 11:07 am : link
UCLA tackle
Uconn tackle
Rounds 4 and 6

5 and 7 go Edge and CB
these comments  
Rory : 4/29/2017 11:10 am : link
god our fans suck
The top four guys on my board are:  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:12 am : link
CB/FS Desmond King of Iowa
RB Samaje Perine of Oklahoma
RB Marlon Mack of South Florida
RB Jeremy McNichols of Boise State


I'm sure one of them will be there.




Keep an eye on OT Julie'n Davenport of Bucknell. A worthy project at OT.
Saturday  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 11:13 am : link
in golf is moving day. In football, its scouts day. The picks today will likely be made by the Giants scouts. Most day three picks fail, so Id like get a few extra to increase our chances. But Reese apparently does not trade down, and is now about 0 for 75. I dont know a single context where that is a good statistic. This team also has a lot of holes. We need an edge rusher, OL, a CB, and a RB.

Today is about finding players with upside. High ceiling, low floor players. That is the right approach. Reese has simply picked the wrong players. Adrian Robinson (JPP of TEs), Markus Kuhn, every OL (Whimper, Mosley, Brewer, Petrus, McCants, Herman), Geremy Davis, Cooper Taylor, Williams, Jackson, etc. Moore and Bromley were round three picks.

Kennard, Goodson, Perkins, Adams, and possibly Hart create hope, as do his UDFAs, including Lewis, Tye, and Adams. We have to hope that improvement continues.

Here are some players the Giants should target by position, with my favorites being Isaac Asiata, Dorian Johnson, Avery Moss, and Samson Ebukam.

RB: Samaje Perine, Brian Hill, Marlon Mack, Jamal Williams.

WR: Malachi Dupree, Chad Henson.

OT: Andreas Knappe, Joseph Dieugot Jermaine Eleumunor, Adam Bisnowaty, Julien Davenport,
Aviante Collins, and Collin Buchannon. The Giants will add a developmental OT, but it has to be somebody who has a chance to play LT.

G: Dorian Johnson, Isaac Asiata, Kareem Are.

DT: Grover Stewart, Rashaad Coward.

DE: Avery Moss.

LB: Carl Lawson, Samson Ebukam, Paul Magloire,

CB: Jeremy Cutrer, Brian Allen, Marquez White, Channing Stribling.

S: Tedric Thompson.

Let's get some good players. Hopefully, no "rouge" picks.
Lots of people want a RB still  
illmatic : 4/29/2017 11:16 am : link
but I'm guessing they have something going on with Blount. So I'm just hoping they can add an OL and CB with solid potential today.
I hear Zane Gonzalez, PK  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 11:16 am : link
is terrific..Pull the trigger
RE: I hear Zane Gonzalez, PK  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13452056 Big Blue '56 said:
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is terrific..Pull the trigger


In the fourth round though?
The 5th round is typically the "WTF pick" from Reese  
The_Boss : 4/29/2017 11:19 am : link
Where he typically reaches for a guy whose profile suggests UDFA.
Not sure where most upside talent resides but got to be thinking  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2017 11:19 am : link
some type of O-lineman, RB, LB and CB with the rest of these picks.

Not sure I would be unhappy if we only picked OL and LB from here on out...
RE: The 5th round is typically the  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13452060 The_Boss said:
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Where he typically reaches for a guy whose profile suggests UDFA.


Perkins was slated to go higher last year
RE: RE: I hear Zane Gonzalez, PK  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 11:20 am : link
In comment 13452059 Anakim said:
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In comment 13452056 Big Blue '56 said:


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is terrific..Pull the trigger



In the fourth round though?


No..6th?
RE: RE: RE: I hear Zane Gonzalez, PK  
Percy : 4/29/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13452065 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13452059 Anakim said:


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In comment 13452056 Big Blue '56 said:


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is terrific..Pull the trigger



In the fourth round though?




No..6th?


Doubt he'll last through the fifth.
RE: Would  
81_Great_Dane : 4/29/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13451930 Jon in NYC said:
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like to see them add another RB here. Hope Perine drops, but that feels unlikely.
Agree. Perine seems like a good fit. Hard to believe he'll last to the end of the 4th.

But why he is still on the board at all?
3 things I'll be watching for  
SirYesSir : 4/29/2017 11:27 am : link
1. Will they draft a kicker, specifically Zane Gonzalez. We could use one, but in the past, we've just gone to the fa pile if we need one, and after drafting a qb they may feel spending a pick there is too much of a luxury

2. Do they add a running back and try to land another Perkins-ish value on day 3. And if so, are they looking for a big back like Perrine to balance the position, or do they just grab the best athelete, like Marlon Mack. (And is Blount an option later?)

3. Can we get another one of my Richmond Spiders on the team, specifically David Jones. Such an interesting prospect with the size to play safety but enough measurables to keep at cb if they think he can handle it
We aren't getting a big edge threat  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/29/2017 11:27 am : link
this late. Might as well stick with Okwara as the third DE.

CB and RB hold good value here.
Carlos  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 11:28 am : link
Watkins should also be on my list.
RE: We aren't getting a big edge threat  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13452080 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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this late. Might as well stick with Okwara as the third DE.

CB and RB hold good value here.


I really like Deatrich Wise Jr., but he's not exactly a twitchy guy. He won't be a sack guy in the NFL, but I think he can be a base end and be just a solid all-around DE.
RE: RE: The 5th round is typically the  
The_Boss : 4/29/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13452064 Anakim said:
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In comment 13452060 The_Boss said:


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Where he typically reaches for a guy whose profile suggests UDFA.



Perkins was slated to go higher last year


Sorry. Should have prefaced it by saying "before last year", the 5th has typically been the round where JR pulls the trigger on a player who has folks scratching their heads. But it is the 5th round. I've always felt after round 3, it's a total crapshoot. Most 4th thru 7th rounders fail anyway.
Hope they pick up an OL and a LB (Joker) on day 3  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/29/2017 11:30 am : link
Would love to see Vince Beigel in blue, I just think this kid will be a very good player. he can rush, he can cover, tested well.

I'll trust Sy and Dave Te and hope they pick up a OT to develop.
Couple things  
hitdog42 : 4/29/2017 11:35 am : link
Do you trust the talent evaluation of the giants in early rounds?

If so

Engram and Tomlinson basically same grade. Both high-

Happy to have taken Davis in 2nd round

Marlin Mack  
Rflairr : 4/29/2017 11:35 am : link
Would look good with Perkins
Marlon  
Rflairr : 4/29/2017 11:36 am : link
.
forget rb  
Rory : 4/29/2017 11:38 am : link
you can find those in FA

Draft 3 OL and let them all play and gel together as backups who will block for Davis Webb in 3 years.
RE: Couple things  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:38 am : link
In comment 13452097 hitdog42 said:
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Do you trust the talent evaluation of the giants in early rounds?

If so

Engram and Tomlinson basically same grade. Both high-

Happy to have taken Davis in 2nd round


I mean I have no idea in what universe was Tomlinson considered a first round pick, so that's a bit concerning. But I guess they see something we don't so if they're ok with it, I guess I have to be ok with it too.
So they had Tomlinson graded as a first Rounder?  
cosmicj : 4/29/2017 11:39 am : link
Very interesting. Given this front office's skill at evaluating DLs, I am now enthusiastic about that selection.
Anakim c'mon man  
cosmicj : 4/29/2017 11:40 am : link
If hitdog's info is correct, the grade is from the front office that has two decades of hitting on defensive linemen.
Not happy about the Webb pick  
Mike B from JC : 4/29/2017 11:43 am : link
Guy worthless to us for at least three years. Might not pan out just like nassib. So many players who could have helped now. This win now is b.s. when you make a project pick like that. Probably have a decent record but, won't win in the playoffs. Unless they have signings and a trade planned? This pick hurt them, for the time being.
Regarding today  
The_Boss : 4/29/2017 11:43 am : link
The question I have is was 2016 an anomaly in that Reese found Day 3 quality or will he return to the guy who accumulates Carl Banks described "scholarship" JAG's?
RE: Couple things  
WillVAB : 4/29/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13452097 hitdog42 said:
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Do you trust the talent evaluation of the giants in early rounds?

If so

Engram and Tomlinson basically same grade. Both high-

Happy to have taken Davis in 2nd round


The level of trust is dependent upon the position drafted based on the last 10 years.

Definitely think we need to go...  
M.S. : 4/29/2017 11:49 am : link

...wide receiver!
No need to draft a Kicker  
AcesUp : 4/29/2017 11:51 am : link
We have a solid prospect on the roster and our situation will attract the best UDFA, who probably won't be far off from any guy we draft.
RE: Anakim c'mon man  
Rory : 4/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13452110 cosmicj said:
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If hitdog's info is correct, the grade is from the front office that has two decades of hitting on defensive linemen.


This ^
OMG!  
mdthedream : 4/29/2017 12:08 pm : link
The Eagles fans kill me.Please stop all this crap and focus on the draft.
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