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NFT: NY Rangers @ Ottawa Senators. Game 2. 3 PM on NBC

Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:18 am
Guess I'm up to the plate
Go Rangers!!!  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/29/2017 11:23 am : link
Beat 'Em!!!
Minimalist approach here  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 11:25 am : link
Hopefully you're just saving it for the ice, 'nak
RE: Minimalist approach here  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:26 am : link
In comment 13452074 redbeard said:
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Hopefully you're just saving it for the ice, 'nak



I tend to reverse jinx
Really inspiring anak.  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 11:35 am : link
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RE: Really inspiring anak.  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13452098 B in ALB said:
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I'm sorry. I'm not a lyrical wordsmith like you!
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arcarsenal : 4/29/2017 11:40 am : link
Jeez, I would have come out of retirement if I knew this was what we were getting today.

CMON NAK.
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Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 11:43 am : link
oh great, Anak has got this one....said nobody ever
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arcarsenal : 4/29/2017 11:56 am : link
Unrelated to our game.. but Talbot was fantastic last night for EDM. The Ducks are in deep shit.

Lundqvist v Talbot SCF.
I'm back boys ...  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 12:27 pm : link
no worries, we got this!

LFGR!!!
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 12:28 pm : link
Anak starting a playoff thread? You guys cannot be confident with that effort.
RE: Holy shit  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13452204 pjcas18 said:
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Anak starting a playoff thread? You guys cannot be confident with that effort.


No one expects a B in ALB-level of vulgarity and pomp but give us something
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arcarsenal : 4/29/2017 12:50 pm : link
It's a dangerous spot for Nak to be taking the wheel... no doubt about it.
If you guys want me to start  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 2:14 pm : link
another thread with a wide range of nastiness just let me know.
I just don't have good vibes with this one  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 2:16 pm : link
This is like bringing Puempel into the lineup and throwing him on the first line.

Anak Kiper Jr. probably won't even be watching the game, he's got the draft on!
RE: If you guys want me to start  
pganut : 4/29/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13452626 B in ALB said:
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another thread with a wide range of nastiness just let me know.
Sometimes the master has to remind the student. Kind of like how the male alpha lion will kill a weaker son to show the pride who really runs the show.
This thread is terrible  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:01 pm : link
Fuckin anak kiper jr is jerkin his gherkin and using one of his mock drafts as a happy tissue. He's not even watching this game.
No mention of Glass  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:10 pm : link
Being back in the lineup?

Great thread anak.
Glass is in?  
RDJR : 4/29/2017 3:11 pm : link
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RE: No mention of Glass  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13452842 B in ALB said:
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Being back in the lineup?

Great thread anak.


No, he's ooooot
fucking A  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 3:20 pm : link
I was a lot more confident about evening up this series until this abomination of a gamethread

fucking fuck
Is he?  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:20 pm : link
Just saw him skating around.
God forbid you touch  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:26 pm : link
Princess Karlsson. Fuckin Bullshit.
Beauty!  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:27 pm : link
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GRABNER...IT'S A SHORTHANDED GOAL!  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 3:27 pm : link
1-0 early
Quickie!  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 3:27 pm : link
Grabs buries the shorty!
Another fuckin stupid penalty  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:34 pm : link
Miller. Great Fuckin job asshole.
And ANOTHER FUCKING PENALTY!  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:38 pm : link
What are these idiots doing?
Another fuckig penalty???  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 3:38 pm : link
???
Another one here.  
RDJR : 4/29/2017 3:38 pm : link
Home job today.
Are we to assume  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 3:39 pm : link
the penalty is on Staal?
Well the 2nd one was clear as day  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 3:39 pm : link
I didn't see anything just now - would like a replay
Kreider with  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 3:40 pm : link
his foolish penalty out of the way early.
Wow I've never seen Karlsson that slow  
Deej : 4/29/2017 3:41 pm : link
heel might really be bothering him.
The only time I notice Kreider and Miller  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 3:41 pm : link
This postseason is when they go to the box
What the fuck was that sequence?  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 3:44 pm : link
Jesus Christ G...and Henrik cannot let that garbage in
All that  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 3:44 pm : link
momentum wiped out by a defenseman trying to get cute and Hank unfocused.
What the fuck was Girardi doing?  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:44 pm : link
Holy Christ. Fuck this game.
pathetic error  
spike : 4/29/2017 3:44 pm : link
and our goalie fell asleep
Henrik  
MookGiants : 4/29/2017 3:45 pm : link
should stop that shot in his sleep, jesus
WTF was that?  
Sonic Youth : 4/29/2017 3:45 pm : link
Hank has to stop that also. God damnit Girardi
Ridiculous  
bxgiants4 : 4/29/2017 3:45 pm : link
We look awful...
And there is the Girardi we know  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 3:45 pm : link
Jesus fucking Christ with this team this series
Brutal on  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 3:46 pm : link
both ends. Just no need for that.
So they can trip us  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 3:46 pm : link
In our zone and create a scoring chance out of it. But Kreider gets whistled for 'elbowing'

Ok then
They look like a  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 3:47 pm : link
Prolapsed asshole out there.
Rangers  
spike : 4/29/2017 3:47 pm : link
getting schooled
The turnovers and giveaways  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 3:48 pm : link
in the neutral zone have to stop or this will be a short series.
Just fucking sloppy  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 3:51 pm : link
What a pathetic showing so far
Literally WTF was Girardi doing there?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 3:56 pm : link
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Girardi inexcusable turnover  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 3:56 pm : link
Most players get benched for that shit, he's right back out there next shift.

Team needs to wake the hell up
They are making this Ottawa 1-3-1  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:03 pm : link
Look like the Devils dynasty trap.

Wake up. And when will we ever see these top two lines produce?
Hayes  
PaulN : 4/29/2017 4:20 pm : link
Miller, and Kreider have decided not to play this off season. Girardi sucks as usual, and the Ottawa Sens look like the next Stanley Cup winners playing us. We are a disinterested team, unreal. Sickening is what it is.
Anderson standing on his head  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:22 pm : link
nothing in this series is going right
fucking shit  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 4:24 pm : link
peppering Anderson all period but can't finish
Unreal how well Anderson always plays us  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:26 pm : link
Average as fuck against the rest of the league but he's always Hasak against us
How do you not score there  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:27 pm : link
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Jeez.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:27 pm : link
I'm shocked they called a penalty on Ottawa.
Although looking at the replays  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:28 pm : link
Fast has to finish. This is the playoffs. Be better

And vesey and Stepan can't even get shot on net on grade A scoring chance
Looked  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
like Hank got rolled there, need to see a replay of that.
nice sequence  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
Hank gets ripped down , announcers say nothing.

then Miller shoots right into Anderson's glove.

motherfucker
If JT can't score on that then WTF  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
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I give up  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
Stones Miller and somehow they mug lundqvist and no call
RE: Unreal how well Anderson always plays us  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13453132 MetsAreBack said:
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Average as fuck against the rest of the league but he's always Hasak against us


Anderson isn't even any good but he always stands on his head against us. He thinks he is Carey Price when he sees the Rangers
And now Anderson is gonna turn into Roy  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
Fucking typical
JFC  
Sonic Youth : 4/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
WE CAN NEVER SCORE ON FUCKIN ANDERSON EVER
WELCOME TO THE FUCKING PLAYOFFS 20  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 4:31 pm : link
!!!
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?@?@@?@?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:31 pm : link
Kreider
KREIDER!!! 2-1  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:31 pm : link
Anderson stopped his Patrick Roy impression for once
FUCKIN CK BABY  
Sonic Youth : 4/29/2017 4:32 pm : link
LETS GO
It's a Kreidahhh  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:32 pm : link
!!

Keep peppering their net boys. Let's fucking go!!!
Rangers are really throwing the body  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 4:32 pm : link
Love it.
Nice to see  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 4:34 pm : link
one hit the back of the net and why not after the chances they've had. Maybe that'll get CK going.
yay another penalty  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 4:37 pm : link
jesus
These refs...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:37 pm : link
seriously.
Dominating these cunts  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 4:37 pm : link
Yeahhhhhhhhhh Step!!!
first Kreider, now Step!!  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 4:37 pm : link
LETS FUCKING GO!
Fuck the refs and fuck Andersson.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:38 pm : link
3-1.
Another shorthanded goal!  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:38 pm : link
Ottawa now getting scorched on their own PP. Stepan!
FUCK YEAH NASHER AND STEPS  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 4:38 pm : link
If this gets Krieds and Steps going....look out
Step shows up too!  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 4:39 pm : link
Huge goal now please kill the rest of this shot off!
STEPS!!  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:39 pm : link

This is an absurd penalty kill by the way. They are calling us for slashing and elbowing but 18000 gasped as they saw lundqvist get wrestled to the ground earlier
'Bout fucking time  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 4:39 pm : link
You're up, JT
No issues in Game 1 with the refs  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:39 pm : link
but Ottawa getting a crapload of calls in Game 2 (often the effect when a Canadian team goes 1-0 up in a series at home)

Finally an Ottawa penalty
And now these clowns score on a 4 on 4  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:40 pm : link
3-2 Rangers
Fuck  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:40 pm : link
Fuck
Fuck
Fuck
pathetic  
spike : 4/29/2017 4:40 pm : link
defense
That fuckin first soft goal  
Sonic Youth : 4/29/2017 4:41 pm : link
Is going to really bite us in the ass
Step giveth and he taketh  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 4:42 pm : link
that was his responsibility.
Brady Skjei! Goals are flowing now  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:43 pm : link
Anderson gives up a softie and it's 4-2
Okay... this game is going to be like that.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:43 pm : link
4-2 Rangers.
Skjei!  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 4:43 pm : link
Krieds with the screening!


This team can't hang with us if we are playing our best
Great job by Kreider  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 4:44 pm : link
In front of the net.

Keep scoring boys.
SHHHHHHHHHHH  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 4:44 pm : link
4-2 BITCHES
Wooohooo!  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 4:44 pm : link
CK doing his job in front.
What's there to review?  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 4:45 pm : link
Zucc was onsides...
Thank goodness...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:45 pm : link
We always get fucked by these challenges.
Adios timeout  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 4:45 pm : link
Nice job, Geeeeeeeee
That was a wasted challenge and Ottawa loses their timeout  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:46 pm : link
which they might need towards the end
Phew  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:46 pm : link

That fucking rule ... I swear to god not to mention the linesman almost blocked the entry (and his ruling can be overturned anyway)

Anyway- can we make this stand for fucks sake?
Only Girardi can get a somewhat open look shot blocked  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 4:52 pm : link
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Fuck Brassard.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:53 pm : link
I'm glad Nash's stick got him.
Our old friend Brassard gave Vesey a pretty good chop  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 4:53 pm : link
He didn't do that dirty stuff when he was here. Nash also gets a penalty. 4 on 4 for the rest of the period
Jeez...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 4:54 pm : link
Cap' almost shit the bed there.
clean play by McD  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 4:55 pm : link
quit crying you bitch
Take a fucking seat PrIncess  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 4:55 pm : link
Clean hit by the captain
Hopefully Karlsson will feel that  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 4:55 pm : link
For the rest of this series. Good clean hit by Mac.

Can we stop opening the ice up for them though (4 on 4)
20 minutes of  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 4:56 pm : link
responsible hockey boys, have to have it.
Agree  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 5:01 pm : link
Gotta have this one
Princess Karlsson  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 5:04 pm : link
Got his Fucking tiara knocked off and has to bitch about it of course. Fuckin twat.
RE: Our old friend Brassard gave Vesey a pretty good chop  
bigbluehoya : 4/29/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13453337 dpinzow said:
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He didn't do that dirty stuff when he was here. Nash also gets a penalty. 4 on 4 for the rest of the period


Brassard did stupid shit like that in the offensive zone all of the time. I always liked the skill set, but when things weren't going his way he turned into a petulant child and started taking stick penalties left and right. High stocks, slashes, trips.
After that save on JT  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 5:05 pm : link
I really thought we were screwed. That was a really strong period though. Those bounces were deserved. No shell here, keep the pressure on
RE: Princess Karlsson  
bigbluehoya : 4/29/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13453378 B in ALB said:
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Got his Fucking tiara knocked off and has to bitch about it of course. Fuckin twat.


I texted a couple of my buddies after the first period. Need to get pucks deep on Karlsson, make him play facing the glass, and pummel him. Hit him clean, but hit the shit out of him hard and a lot. He's the straw that stirs the entire drink for them. Make him feel pain.
Karlsson is starting to feel it  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 5:10 pm : link
Was hoping we'd make him pay the price and we sure have
goddamit  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 5:15 pm : link
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You've got to be kidding me  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
Now it's 4-3, very early in the 3rd. Lundqvist not at his best today
not over yet  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
wtf
Dammit...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
that was just bullshit.
Fuck beans  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
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4 on 4  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
is not good for the Rangers defense
Not a surprise  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
Unfortunately lundqvist does this once or twice every postseason. We are going to need another goal
The Staal - Holden pairing ...  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 5:16 pm : link
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RE: The Staal - Holden pairing ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13453436 Stufftherun said:
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I'm reminded of the Rangers-Oilers game earlier this seasonwhen it seemed like McDavid was on the ice all the time because he was constantly creating scoring chances every shift.

It's the opposite with Holden. It seems like he's on the ice all the time because bad things always happen when he is.
Im really stunned at the points Skjei puts up  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:18 pm : link
I think getting to watch McDonagh has done wonders for him.
As Holden loses the puck by the net...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:19 pm : link
why the fuck is he on the ice so much?
RE: Im really stunned at the points Skjei puts up  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13453445 Deej said:
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I think getting to watch McDonagh has done wonders for him.


WOOOOOOOW!!!
MARRY ME, BRADY!!!  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 5:20 pm : link
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BRADY SKJEI WITH MOVES LIKE A FORWARD  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:20 pm : link
Broke up the 3 on 1 and then scored! 5-3!
how bout that for a 2-way defenseman!  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 5:20 pm : link
FUCK YA 76!
Brady Skjei for MVP  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 5:21 pm : link
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Skjei Hey  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:21 pm : link
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Brady Skjei folks!  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 5:21 pm : link
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That was Skjeis best sequence of the season  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 5:21 pm : link
Wow
RE: MARRY ME, BRADY!!!  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13453455 Anakim said:
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Haha. Fuckin Gaynak. Nttawwt.
This series has more odd man rushes in 5+ periods (1 2/3 games)  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:23 pm : link
than the Montreal series had in 6 games (including 2 OT periods)
Did these goalies party at Chateua Redden last night?  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:24 pm : link
3pm too early for them, eh?
Chateaux  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:24 pm : link
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First Rangers rookie defenseman with a 2 goal playoff game  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:25 pm : link
since Leetch
Skjei has outscored  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:28 pm : link
the Blackhawks these playoffs.
RE: RE: The Staal - Holden pairing ...  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13453444 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13453436 Stufftherun said:


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I'm reminded of the Rangers-Oilers game earlier this seasonwhen it seemed like McDavid was on the ice all the time because he was constantly creating scoring chances every shift.

It's the opposite with Holden. It seems like he's on the ice all the time because bad things always happen when he is.


We all end up Holden our collective breath when he's on the ice.
Vesey is having a nice game  
Deej : 4/29/2017 5:31 pm : link
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Nice job by Brendan of selling that  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:33 pm : link
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You just knew the way we played that PP  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 5:39 pm : link
They'd get the best chance out of it.

I'm pacing in my house here. No lead feels safe today.
Kreider is lucky  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 5:41 pm : link
That was intercepted a foot after the blue line. A blind no look outlet pass in this situation? Jesus.
Fuck.  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
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Oh fuck...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
can we get the fuck outta there with a win please?
Like I said  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
Lundqvist is AWFUL today
Another pretty lame goal  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
Now it's 5-4. For the first time in the playoffs, the Rangers have to win a game where Lundqvist is off
tick tick tick  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
tick tick tick
more softies today  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
than the first 7 games combined
Here we fucking go  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 5:44 pm : link
God damnit
Fucking around with the puck  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 5:45 pm : link
Instead of just clearing it leads to a goal. Hayes just skating around aimlessly like a drunk.
Staal-Holden is such garbage  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 5:45 pm : link
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Ottawa is a pain in the ass  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:45 pm : link
they shouldn't even be close in this game and it's 5-4
And why THE FUCK  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 5:45 pm : link
are Staal and Holden protecting the fucking lead?!?!??!
Holden is lost and stickless.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:46 pm : link
GET HIM THE FUCK OFF THE ICE!!!!#$#%$#!$#!$
RE: Fucking around with the puck  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13453542 B in ALB said:
[quote] Instead of just clearing it leads to a goal. Hayes just skating around aimlessly like a drunk. [/quote

Fine but they have 4 goals on 19 shots and one of them was legit. These guys have to bail out Hank. He's just as bad as that game 3 in Tampa two years ago
I give up  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 5:49 pm : link
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pathetic  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:49 pm : link
defense.
Now 5-5  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
Another goal that should have been stopped
ref gets in the way.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
Ottawa scores.
6 on 4  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
one guy has no stick
goddammit what a fucking lazy 3rd period  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
jesus christ
god damnit  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
for fucks sake
They lose this one  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
they are done.
If they lose this game  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:50 pm : link
we will have a short series. The Rangers outplayed Ottawa by a mile in this game and somehow they have 5 goals, 4 of them ranging from a little soft to ridiculously soft
That is the second time that ref got in the way and stopped the puck  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 5:51 pm : link
along the boards leading to an Ottawa goal. Unbelievable.
Looking at the replays  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:51 pm : link
both of those goals should have been stopped
henrik has played like garbage  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 5:52 pm : link
what a sad showing from the king
Unreal that a no-talent hack like Pageau  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:52 pm : link
has a hat trick on Lundqvist. Unreal
a 2 goal lead THREE fucking times  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 5:53 pm : link
and we're 30 seconds from OT. awesome.
These defensemen are horseshit  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 5:54 pm : link
Worst 6 on 5 team in the league, bar none
The Senators have no business going to OT  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 5:54 pm : link
they were comprehensively outplayed but here we are, OT
almost got it in  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:54 pm : link
fuckin ridiculous.
As soon as the ref kept the puck in,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 5:55 pm : link
I knew they were going to score. I didn't want to think that way, but I just knew it.
RE: The Senators have no business going to OT  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13453579 dpinzow said:
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they were comprehensively outplayed but here we are, OT


This game is more on Henrik than anyone. It's his annual playoff shitshow
momentum is on the Sen's side  
spike : 4/29/2017 5:56 pm : link
but one fluke cheapie goal is all it takes to win it!
They lose this game and it feels like the series  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 5:56 pm : link
just knowing how fucking awful we are at home
42/76 don't play for the final 5-6 minutes again  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 5:58 pm : link
This coach learns nothing. Fuck him
RE: As soon as the ref kept the puck in,  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13453581 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I knew they were going to score. I didn't want to think that way, but I just knew it.


Yup. Me too.
RE: RE: The Senators have no business going to OT  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13453582 redbeard said:
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In comment 13453579 dpinzow said:


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they were comprehensively outplayed but here we are, OT



This game is more on Henrik than anyone. It's his annual playoff shitshow


What a ridiculous post. Annual? Fuck off, the guy carries this team every season. A guy all alone right in front tips it and that's his fault?
This team  
Ron Johnson : 4/29/2017 6:02 pm : link
Rips out your soul .... Uggghhh
RE: They lose this game and it feels like the series  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13453587 redbeard said:
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just knowing how fucking awful we are at home


that and both games would be of the dick punch variety.
RE: RE: They lose this game and it feels like the series  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13453605 TexasGmenFan said:
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just knowing how fucking awful we are at home



that and both games would be of the dick punch variety.


We didn't deserve Game 1 but we should have won Game 2 by 3 or 4 goals
No its fair to criticize Hank  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 6:04 pm : link

this has happened a lot. To be fair its happened to other goalies too and they've been pulled (Crawford comes to mind) and bounced back later in the postseason.

This game's on Hank. His last 4 periods of hockey have been brutal - I'd seriously consider Raanta in the OT but I dont think AV has the gutts.

I've been complaining about refs getting in the way of pucks for two years now. There's too many on the ice and the speed of the game cant support this model anymore. Especially since linesman calls can be overturned by a fraction of an inch anyway. But nothing will ever change rules wise in this sport.

Bottom line this is a must win or season is over.
Whatever  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 6:05 pm : link
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the entire team was shit last year against pitt  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 6:08 pm : link
The previous year he shit the bed in game three against Tampa

The year prior he was atrocious in a game in montreal



The guys is a stud but he has played some truly horrific games in the playoffs numerous times
Game 5 NJ  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 6:11 pm : link
5 years ago. Etc

The guy has obviously had a great career but there have been a lot of Peyton manning moments when we needed him most. Brutal.
They look slow  
bluesince56 : 4/29/2017 6:13 pm : link
and unsure of themselves
RE: They look slow  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13453630 bluesince56 said:
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and unsure of themselves


Probably shellshocked
Grabner & Fast gotta get that home  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 6:16 pm : link
...
jeez  
spike : 4/29/2017 6:17 pm : link
wtf
Oh. My. Fucking. God.  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 6:17 pm : link
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 6:17 pm : link
how is the game not over????????
He strikes again  
spike : 4/29/2017 6:18 pm : link
Golden opportunity to end this
Brassard doing dumb Brassard shit.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 6:18 pm : link
2nd time today.
waste  
TexasGmenFan : 4/29/2017 6:21 pm : link
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Gotta shoot the puck.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 6:21 pm : link
Too much fucking around there.
They take too long  
spike : 4/29/2017 6:22 pm : link
to bring up the puck
RE: waste  
bluesince56 : 4/29/2017 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13453642 TexasGmenFan said:
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Why bother.
fatigue  
spike : 4/29/2017 6:23 pm : link
is setting in
Jeez Hank WTF?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 6:23 pm : link
...
Anderson is playing great  
spike : 4/29/2017 6:26 pm : link
that was too bad it didn't get in
Why have Lindbergh and Buchnevich only have 5 mins of ice time?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/29/2017 6:31 pm : link
Are we only playing three lines today ? Was out at my daughter soccer game and missed almost all of regulation
Brady saves the bacon again  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 6:33 pm : link
...
wow  
spike : 4/29/2017 6:44 pm : link
how did the senators not score
Why are we only playing 3 lines??  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/29/2017 6:47 pm : link
Team looks gassed!
Second overtime  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 6:47 pm : link
Coming up
Next rebound Lundqvist controls...  
brunswick : 4/29/2017 6:55 pm : link
Will be his 1st
I'm guessing because Buch had a turnover at center ice  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 6:55 pm : link
In the first period.

Meanwhile Holden and Girardi have a ton of turnovers and Kreider was throwing blind behind the back passes in our own zone up 2 goals with 4 minutes left.

AV is what he is - we are seeing tanner glass in game 3
F-in  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 7:06 pm : link
Anak
series over  
spike : 4/29/2017 7:06 pm : link
wake up Hendrick
What a dogshit loss.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 7:06 pm : link
I don't know how they recover from this one.
Lucky Senators  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 7:07 pm : link
They had no right to win this one but they did
Raanta in net game 3  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 7:07 pm : link
It's not even a question
Game ends with Holden and Staal out there.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 7:07 pm : link
Glorious.
RE: Lucky Senators  
bluesince56 : 4/29/2017 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13453762 dpinzow said:
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They had no right to win this one but they did


Wrong. They wanted it more!!
fucking pieces of shit  
Deej : 4/29/2017 7:07 pm : link
Staal-Holden
Fuck this  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 7:08 pm : link
I'm starting the thread on Tuesday and were going back to Ottawa tied next week.
RE: Game ends with Holden and Staal out there.  
spike : 4/29/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13453766 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Glorious.


pathetic effort
RE: RE: Lucky Senators  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13453767 bluesince56 said:
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They had no right to win this one but they did



Wrong. They wanted it more!!


Nope. Rangers got 15 more shots on net
Same old garbage...  
Route 9 : 4/29/2017 7:08 pm : link
Giants draft and Yankees have my attention anyway
RE: Raanta in net game 3  
Deej : 4/29/2017 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13453765 MetsAreBack said:
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It's not even a question


No, this game wasnt on Hank. He didnt do anything special, but a lot of those were either unstoppable or very strong. First goal was bad.
Holden ...  
Stufftherun : 4/29/2017 7:09 pm : link
what more needs to be said. He doesn't belong on the flight back to NY.
Holden literally cannot be anywhere near the ice or even the fucking  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 7:09 pm : link
Garden for game 3.

He's the fucking Cooler.
RE: RE: RE: Lucky Senators  
bluesince56 : 4/29/2017 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13453774 dpinzow said:
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They had no right to win this one but they did



Wrong. They wanted it more!!



Nope. Rangers got 15 more shots on net


Shots on net is a misleading stat. The only shots that count are the ones that go in the net
Senators have a lucky horseshoe stuck up their ass  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 7:12 pm : link
Barely made the playoffs, barely beat a crippled bruins team, now they get outshot by 15 and somehow beat the rangers
RE: Holden literally cannot be anywhere near the ice or even the fucking  
bluesince56 : 4/29/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13453780 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Garden for game 3.

He's the fucking Cooler.


Wasting your breath. AV loves this guy!
RE: RE: Raanta in net game 3  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13453778 Deej said:
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It's not even a question



No, this game wasnt on Hank. He didnt do anything special, but a lot of those were either unstoppable or very strong. First goal was bad.


Bullshit. Goals 1 3 and 4 were high school bad. Awful. And he had the brutal game 1 goal. Between Karlsson and Brassard they know how to attack him. Team seems to play a more structured game behind raanta - let's see if it can provide a spark. Nothing to lose at this point.

You score 5 goals in a playoff game - your best player better make it stand up. Yet again I have a hard time defending Hank against detractors about his lack of cups. There have simply been too many postseason performances like today under his belt.
What a totally demoralizing  
rebel yell : 4/29/2017 7:14 pm : link
loss. Just horrible.
RE: RE: Lucky Senators  
RDJR : 4/29/2017 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13453767 bluesince56 said:
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They had no right to win this one but they did



Wrong. They wanted it more!!


Really? Wanted it more? John Gruden like analysis. I seriously doubt the Sens wanted to win more than the Rangers.
Observation  
pganut : 4/29/2017 7:17 pm : link
Pageau sounds like Matteau, kinda.

Regroup at home. Sack up. Take it to them next game.
Worst postseason loss of the lundqvist era  
bxgiants4 : 4/29/2017 7:17 pm : link
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And I think it was deej that made the point the other day  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 7:18 pm : link
Which I guess jinxed us if you believe in that stuff --

But this will likely be the first series loss to a bad (ok mediocre) team in the lundqvist era. This senators team is going to get annhilated by Pitt / Washington.

The reason this won't bother me as much as Tampa NJ or certainly LA is if we played like this against Pitt / wash - it'd be funny how bad we'd get exposed.
RE: Worst postseason loss of the lundqvist era  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13453803 bxgiants4 said:
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Hardly.
RE: RE: Raanta in net game 3  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13453778 Deej said:
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It's not even a question



No, this game wasnt on Hank. He didnt do anything special, but a lot of those were either unstoppable or very strong. First goal was bad.


I don't think I'd pull him, but this game was at least partly (significantly) on Hank (IMO).

But Staal is the worst player on the Rangers, worse than Holden. Every game I see with the Rangers I feel like Staal reinforces my impressions over and over again. Staal is the one Gallagher was talking about when he was trying to get his teammates to control the puck below the goal line instead of just cycling. Felt he gave too much space and turned it over when pressured.

He has awful instincts and I don't know, maybe he's compensating for an injury or he's lost a step and knows it, so he's trying to compensate for the lost step, but I'd sit Staal before Holden and Holden is also below average.

And so far in games 1 and 2, Stepan has been fine IMO.
Brady Skjei played 5 less minutes than Holden  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 7:19 pm : link
and 2 less than Staal.

C'mon AV.
Oops...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2017 7:21 pm : link
Brady played 4 less minutes than Staal.
They Ruined a perfectly good Saturday  
djm : 4/29/2017 7:21 pm : link
Assholes
Brutal loss  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/29/2017 7:23 pm : link
It will be tough to rebound
RE: RE: Worst postseason loss of the lundqvist era  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13453809 B in ALB said:
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Hardly.


Sadly you are right. Tampa game 3 and Montreal game5 put this one to shame.

Nash missing the easy score in OT also kind of summarized life as a Rangers fan in the HL era too. The moment I guess gets too big for these guys.
Emotions running high  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 7:31 pm : link
I get it, but we're nowhere near this spot without the way Hank played up until this point. Not a good game today, though I can really only fully put the first and last goal on him, 4th was tipped too. But to pick out 4-5 starts out of 100+ playoff starts where he wasn't good and say he comes up short every year just isn't fair. The defense and this coach are failing this team, not Hank
There is plenty of blame to go around  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 7:40 pm : link
But their fourth goal to close to 5-4 ... A harmless wrister from the blue line with not much traffic in front even if tipped - cannot happen.

We are not saying he sucks or he should be cut - I'm saying it's hard to sit here most years and say he deserved a cup. No the great ones raise their game this time of year. Too many of these brutal losses.

Even game 2 against LA kings - yes some interference but we put 4 in on quick. That's got to stand up
And Nash  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 7:41 pm : link
Yes I love the guy and his two way game ... But great players need to pot that in a playoff overtime. Enough with the excuses - the other guy was better than him in a big spot yet again.
I just watched that GW  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 7:47 pm : link
again, WTF was Holden doing pinching on that? Clearly no shot on that play.

Staal wasn't as bad on the 2 on 1 as I initially though, but I wouldn't dive on that yet every defenseman does these days, can't blame Staal for the GW like I first thought. That's on Holden and Hank.
Typical Rangers. Its like reliving my childhood.  
Victor in CT : 4/29/2017 8:03 pm : link
Never get excited. They will just break your heart. BrutaL loss
I fucking can't stand AV  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 8:11 pm : link
Oh and BTW, if today wasn't bad enough, the Flyers are going to pick in the Top 3 in this year's draft
And now the Devils are picking top 3  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 8:13 pm : link
Flyers and Devils are secured spots in the top 3. FUCK. FUCK. I never saw Nolan Patrick play (never saw any of them play), but this fucking sucks.



I'm just shellshocked and disgusted and just all-around miserable.
RE: And now the Devils are picking top 3  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13453918 Anakim said:
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Flyers and Devils are secured spots in the top 3. FUCK. FUCK. I never saw Nolan Patrick play (never saw any of them play), but this fucking sucks.



I'm just shellshocked and disgusted and just all-around miserable.

This lottery is stupid. Three teams who finished outside the worst 5 teams are all picking top 3.
RE: I just watched that GW  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13453861 pjcas18 said:
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again, WTF was Holden doing pinching on that? Clearly no shot on that play.

Staal wasn't as bad on the 2 on 1 as I initially though, but I wouldn't dive on that yet every defenseman does these days, can't blame Staal for the GW like I first thought. That's on Holden and Hank.


At the end of a shift no less. He's a Fuckin turd.
Mets and Rangers ... My God  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
I don't really follow the Knicks but I do recall the Ewing years being fun too.
Brutal.

They make these leagues so big now it's so tough to end the year happy - I get that, it's why I sometimes feel for the rare good Eagles Fan - but what the fuck.

Really does make you appreciate the Eli manning miracles even more when you see so many other great players come up short so often when it really matters.

5-3 lead blown against a team that had 18 shots in 57 minutes with their best player on a broken foot and favoring a shoulder. I mean FUCK OFF with this. That's 2007 mets choking we saw today. Especially that soft as Swiss cheese 4th goal. Nothing short of it. It can break franchises. It took the mets north of 5 years to recover.

You almost learn to expect the worst and today's bullshit just reinforces these negative feelings on something that is supposed to be fun and a relief from real life. Fuck this.
RE: RE: And now the Devils are picking top 3  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13453919 pjcas18 said:
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Flyers and Devils are secured spots in the top 3. FUCK. FUCK. I never saw Nolan Patrick play (never saw any of them play), but this fucking sucks.



I'm just shellshocked and disgusted and just all-around miserable.


This lottery is stupid. Three teams who finished outside the worst 5 teams are all picking top 3.



...Unless it works for the Knicks and we end up picking in the top 3...
YOU'VE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 8:16 pm : link
FLYERS AND DEVILS ARE PICKING 1 AND 2



Seriously. SERIOUSLY? Do the hockey gods really hate us that much?
Devils are picking #1, Flyers at #2  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 8:17 pm : link
Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier will be in the fucking division with us. MOTHERFUCKER.
RE: YOU'VE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13453929 Anakim said:
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FLYERS AND DEVILS ARE PICKING 1 AND 2



Seriously. SERIOUSLY? Do the hockey gods really hate us that much?


Good news is no Matthews and Laine or McDavid and Eichel at the top of the draft.

I like the Siwss kid (Hischier) and Patrick, but Nolan Patrick isn't in the same class as the top picks of the past few drafts.

So, there's that.
RE: Devils are picking #1, Flyers at #2  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 8:22 pm : link
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Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier will be in the fucking division with us. MOTHERFUCKER.


Settle down anak. This is all your fault bc of this fugazi thread. Sad.
Did they change the model this year ?  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 8:28 pm : link
i thought in the past it was only one pick up for grabs?

Anyway I like the notion of a lottery which prevents tanking - fuck Colorado.

Our window likely got shorter with that result tonight. Going to be a big offseason for Gorton.

RE: Did they change the model this year ?  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13453959 MetsAreBack said:
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i thought in the past it was only one pick up for grabs?

Anyway I like the notion of a lottery which prevents tanking - fuck Colorado.

Our window likely got shorter with that result tonight. Going to be a big offseason for Gorton.

Same format. Just stupid IMO, that the Flyers who had 88 points have the 2nd pick.

I don't like tanking either, but I also don't like the draft being so random.
Caps might have had a dozen  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/29/2017 8:49 pm : link
if we played them today
RE: RE: Did they change the model this year ?  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13453981 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13453959 MetsAreBack said:


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i thought in the past it was only one pick up for grabs?

Anyway I like the notion of a lottery which prevents tanking - fuck Colorado.

Our window likely got shorter with that result tonight. Going to be a big offseason for Gorton.



Same format. Just stupid IMO, that the Flyers who had 88 points have the 2nd pick.

I don't like tanking either, but I also don't like the draft being so random.


Well 88 isn't much - my only complaint is it should be open kimono - the world sees it live. Not this 'trust me' we audited it bullshit

And every non playoff pick should go through a lottery not just top 6. If flyers legit got 2nd with 6% chance - then good for them. They didn't get to cheer much this year versus what Colorado did so I'm fine with idea in principle. Just think it can be tweaked
88 points  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 9:15 pm : link
is 3 games out of the playoffs.

The Av's had 48 points, the Canucks 69, Coyotes had 70. I don't even think the Av's really tanked. If they did they would have traded Duschene and Landeskog.

The Flyers were not a terrible team I don't mind simple reverse order of the standings.

tanking has box office ramifications. fans don't always like it and attendance drops a lot for many bad teams.

Great effort/goal by Cullen.  
JayBinQueens : 4/29/2017 9:25 pm : link
Caps tie it up on the PP
RE: 88 points  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13454035 pjcas18 said:
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is 3 games out of the playoffs.

The Av's had 48 points, the Canucks 69, Coyotes had 70. I don't even think the Av's really tanked. If they did they would have traded Duschene and Landeskog.

The Flyers were not a terrible team I don't mind simple reverse order of the standings.

tanking has box office ramifications. fans don't always like it and attendance drops a lot for many bad teams.


This league is socialist when it comes to the cap. Way worse than any other league. As Rangers and canadiens fans we put up with a ton of bullshit on this Guys take below value deals everywhere because of this system - even the elite players I have to sit on a dildo every year because Crosby ovechkin and even Stamkos took well below market deals to help their teams manage through this.

So forgive me if I don't feel for bad teams that tried to emulate Edmonton and pay nothing on their team when they could easily have brought in more 2nd and 3rd line talents to get more points - don't get to accumulate generational talents through a draft.

In a way as much as I hate flyers fans - I'm proud that a team that keeps at least trying to compete out there lucks into a 2 pick after missing the playoffs or facing the caps for 3 straight years now.


Back to the Rangers - raanta should be in net in game 3 and if you're not going to play Buchnevich in game anyway, might as well go glass and lose with your guys. Up to you AV. You're used to embarrassing yourself this time of year so go right ahead
RE: RE: 88 points  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13454049 MetsAreBack said:
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is 3 games out of the playoffs.

The Av's had 48 points, the Canucks 69, Coyotes had 70. I don't even think the Av's really tanked. If they did they would have traded Duschene and Landeskog.

The Flyers were not a terrible team I don't mind simple reverse order of the standings.

tanking has box office ramifications. fans don't always like it and attendance drops a lot for many bad teams.




This league is socialist when it comes to the cap. Way worse than any other league. As Rangers and canadiens fans we put up with a ton of bullshit on this Guys take below value deals everywhere because of this system - even the elite players I have to sit on a dildo every year because Crosby ovechkin and even Stamkos took well below market deals to help their teams manage through this.

So forgive me if I don't feel for bad teams that tried to emulate Edmonton and pay nothing on their team when they could easily have brought in more 2nd and 3rd line talents to get more points - don't get to accumulate generational talents through a draft.

In a way as much as I hate flyers fans - I'm proud that a team that keeps at least trying to compete out there lucks into a 2 pick after missing the playoffs or facing the caps for 3 straight years now.


Back to the Rangers - raanta should be in net in game 3 and if you're not going to play Buchnevich in game anyway, might as well go glass and lose with your guys. Up to you AV. You're used to embarrassing yourself this time of year so go right ahead


cap, spending, contracts, etc. is my biggest blind spot in hockey, so I'll take your word for it, but in general I don't have a problem with shedding salary for a rebuild, obviously don't like teams just deciding to be cheap.

I don't think you can yank Hank after this one game. He really did win the Canadiens series by outplaying Price. I think the Rangers have to give him another game, problem is game 3 is a must-win so if he's off his game it's a fatal mistake. I'd roll the dice with Hank though.
But the game 1 loss was brutal too  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 9:40 pm : link
So it's not just today's atrocity

If we didn't have a good back up I wouldn't say this - but sometimes you have to be bold to change a series. Ottawa appears to be in Hanks head. He's been terrible.

And It's not even uncommon anymore that cups are won with two goalies.

What's to lose now anyway? Feelings are hurt? And yes I understan yet again we couldn't produce in an overtime Nash in particular can go fuck himself not converting that lay up
I fully expect Nash to pot 15  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 9:48 pm : link
For Toronto next years playoffs playing under Matthews as wing man

But for us year after year there's excuse after excuse why he can't convert the simplest of winning goals. Whatever.
RE: But the game 1 loss was brutal too  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13454065 MetsAreBack said:
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So it's not just today's atrocity

If we didn't have a good back up I wouldn't say this - but sometimes you have to be bold to change a series. Ottawa appears to be in Hanks head. He's been terrible.

And It's not even uncommon anymore that cups are won with two goalies.

What's to lose now anyway? Feelings are hurt? And yes I understan yet again we couldn't produce in an overtime Nash in particular can go fuck himself not converting that lay up


Game 1 Hank was incredible IMO. The Senators had like 45 shots, many quality scoring chances. That GW was obviously soft, but I don't put the game 1 loss on Hank. Could have easily been 4 or 5 to 1 (not discounting how well Andersen played).

He was good  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 10:07 pm : link
Until the shot at the end from behind the goal line that went in. Your best players need to be at their best when the stakes are highest.

Clearly today he was rattled because we didn't get NHL goaltending today.

I would make the switch. I don't see much downside at this point. What are the odds to come back 0-2 in a series when Corsi is fairly even over two games? 10%?

RE: He was good  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13454092 MetsAreBack said:
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Until the shot at the end from behind the goal line that went in. Your best players need to be at their best when the stakes are highest.

Clearly today he was rattled because we didn't get NHL goaltending today.

I would make the switch. I don't see much downside at this point. What are the odds to come back 0-2 in a series when Corsi is fairly even over two games? 10%?


Well the other thing against bringing in Raanta is when's the last time he played?

Seems like it's been a few weeks.

it's a must-win game, obviously, so nothing would surprise me, but if it's me, I keep Hank in there and make other lineup changes. I'd sit Holden and Staal, but not sure there are two replacements.
You can't be serious with this Raanta stuff  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:14 pm : link
Come on now. It's one poor game. Literally his first one of the playoffs. It's just easy to blame the goalie I guess.

Ottawa is in his head? He stood on that same head in game 1 and gave us a chance to win when the team played like crap.
They knocked the puck off Nash's stick  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:16 pm : link
Turris saved the game. Not like he missed the net
They're not benching Hank  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 10:17 pm : link
Nor should they.

Fucking stupid.
Clendening is better than both  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 10:21 pm : link
Though Staal I think is fine on third pair. But that's a coaching issue

We played Buch and Lindbergh 5 minutes each today in 85 minutes. The coach at this point might as well go 3 lines with glass hitting guys. It worked 30 years ago maybe It will work again. Doubt it given statistical analysis but what do I know

If lundqvist does his job today it's a non issue I get that -- up 2 goals with 3 minutes left its brutal. But 3 lines when the only competitive advantage you have this year is 4 lines ? His overtime strategy was awful (as is faith in Nash at this point)
We have a shot to come back in this series  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:21 pm : link
precisely because of the levels that HL can reach, and frequently does reach in the playoffs. Raanta can't do that. Came into this game with a .948 save percentage in the playoffs. One bad game and it's to the bench? I don't get it. I understand the frustration, this is a good place to vent. I'm pissed off at just about everybody involved in that atrocity to end the 3rd period. But this is just non-sensical
RE: They knocked the puck off Nash's stick  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13454105 Kyle in NY said:
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Turris saved the game. Not like he missed the net


There are 50 things you can do to score there. Be better than the other guy for once. Angle it where not obvious to shoot. Lift the puck. Take a breath and assess. I don't know - STOP FAILING in big spots. I don't know what else to say. It's pathetic how small he comes up in big spots.
Caps are in big time trouble  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:26 pm : link
yet again
Phil  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 10:27 pm : link
Kessel is made for playoff hockey, and it appears I have underestimated the Penguins again.
Guys  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 10:30 pm : link
Raanta is not some stiff.

Neither is talbot who is just about to will Edmonton to WCF despite his team being badly outplayed both games so far

Nobody said lundqvist was done -- but the last 6 periods or so have been brutal. Atrocious. I was pacing up 5-3 with 4 minutes left and it turns out I was right unfortunately -- even as they had 18 shots in 58 minutes!! we have seen this movie before with this group and we endured it again today
Team won't recover after this...  
M.S. : 4/29/2017 10:32 pm : link

...debacle today.

Depend upon it.

They are cooked.

RE: Team won't recover after this...  
B in ALB : 4/29/2017 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13454123 M.S. said:
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...debacle today.

Depend upon it.

They are cooked.


Who are you? Never post on a Rangers thread all season, then you bring your bullshit ellipses? Be gone.
This has to be  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 10:36 pm : link
a goal, right?
I just think your blame is misplaced  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:44 pm : link
We were all pacing too, but because this defense treats the puck like a hand grenade when they're protecting the lead. Not sure if you've played goal either but characterizing the 4th and 5th goals as soft is nuts. The puck literally changes direction on a tip right in front of him as our defense doesn't pick up anybody yet again. Certainly could have had them if it happened to hit him, but they're not soft goals.

You're just always the first person to rush to bash him after a game like this and when he stands on his head and carries the team there's not a word said. Don't get it. He had 40+ saves in game 1, that's part of those brutal periods you're talking about?

Somehow after all this time, the guy still doesn't get the credit he deserved. he's carried below average defensemen and playoff scoring for years. I know I know, tampa game 3, New Jersey game 5. We hear it over and over. Dude is afforded zero margin for error. 110 playoff starts with a .923 save % and 2.27 GAA. Better numbers than Brodeur, Roy, Price, Quick, among many others.
RE: You can't be serious with this Raanta stuff  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2017 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13454102 Kyle in NY said:
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Come on now. It's one poor game. Literally his first one of the playoffs. It's just easy to blame the goalie I guess.

Ottawa is in his head? He stood on that same head in game 1 and gave us a chance to win when the team played like crap.


And it wasn't a bad game. It was
In most cases a season ended. Playoff time and you give up 6 in under 40 shots? I hope we are good enough to overcome this without home ice in this series but I analytically doubt it. I love lundqvist and I love Nash but I'm calling it what it is -- they likely cost us our season today
We're not even playing this game today  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:49 pm : link
without the way those two played in the first round.
At least we're not the caps  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 10:55 pm : link
Last, best chance for them and it's looking like the same typical 2nd round exit. Talk about being in a team's head, the Pens occupy a lot of space up there for the Caps. Ovechkin seems to be slowing down a bit and they're set for a mass exodus this offseason.
I get what MAB is saying I think  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2017 11:01 pm : link
he wants Hank to pull a Tim Thomas or Jonathan Quick (2012 not 2014) and pretty much put the team on his back for 16 games.

Rise up and grab the Conn Smythe along with the cup.

but so far he just hasn't done that and it's a fair criticism/observation. He's had lights out games and then lapses like today. He's was lights out the entire Canadiens series though.

I just think he's the Rangers best chance to win even if Raanta isn't Dustin Tokarski.
I get it, and we're all frustrated  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 11:08 pm : link
Because it's looking like another season without a cup.

But from 2012-15 in the playoffs he posted save percentages of: ..931, 934, .927, .928. Vezina level numbers if that's over a full season. Certainly Conn Smythe worthy

Scoring output in that time: 43 goals in 20 games, 26 goals in 12 games, 64 goals in 25 games, 45 goals in 19 games including two home shutouts in the conference final. The margin is razor thin. He has done his fair share.

Quick had that insane 2012 run but also won a cup in which he posted a 2.58 GAA in the playoffs. The help has got to be there
Anyway, hopefully we have another comeback in us  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 11:16 pm : link
Always appreciate the discussion and debate, even if there's disagreement.

Go Rangers
Kevin Shattenkirk was atrocious tonight  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 11:16 pm : link
Like Holden bad
He's had a terrible playoff  
Kyle in NY : 4/29/2017 11:23 pm : link
I'm starting to think we should stay away
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arcarsenal : 1:26 am : link
I don't understand this fucking team.

I have not done research or compiled any of this data but it seems like they are utterly incapable of winning a game in "comfortable" fashion and that they basically never go up by 2 or more goals in a playoff game and actually hold that lead.

How many of our playoff wins have had to come by protecting a 1 goal lead in crunch time and crossing our fingers while the opposing team pulls their goalie and peppers our net with shots for nearly 2 minutes straight? Over the last 5+ season's the number HAS to be close to 90%.

Now we're no longer protecting these 1-goal leads - we're blowing them. And once we blow them, we never ever strike back and come out on top.

It's bizarre. When we can't score, the other team usually doesn't score much either. When we lose, we very rarely get blown out. Then, when we actually do score a handful of goals, we give just as many up.

I watched this game with a handful of guys who are huge NYR fans and we all just seemed to know when it was 5-3 that the Senators were inevitably going to get the 4th goal - we just weren't sure when. But we knew when they did, they'd start to gain that momentum and feel like they could tie it up. Sure enough....

The Rangers were almost invincible for a long time when entering 3rd periods with leads - but even then, we rarely added an extra goal to really put the nail in the coffin. We always had to sweat it out. Now, we look like a team that is scared and plays like they're just hoping the clock runs out before the opponent evens things up.

This was a nauseating loss on so many levels. Especially because once the Senators tied the game, much like Game 2 against MTL, it was over. I might be using selective memory here but I feel like we pretty much NEVER win under these circumstances.

I haven't really read through this thread but if you guys are talking about yanking Hank.. c'mon. It's not happening and it shouldn't. He let a few in today that he shouldn't have but we had a lot of breakdowns in front of him and made way too many mistakes. Raanta isn't saving this series for us.

We dug a huge fucking hole and now we need to get out one game at a time. I really just don't think Ottawa is all that good. Maybe it's sour grapes - I don't know. I'm just not coming out of these games feeling like we're really getting beat as much as I feel like we're doing a lot of really stupid fucking things.

Couple days to re-group here. We're going to need a big time effort in Game 3 at home. I'm not convinced this series is over yet. But we're going to have to get our shit together immediately. We no longer have any margin for error.
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BrettNYG10 : 11:06 am : link
Rangers were 19th in GF% (5 on 5) during 16-17 when up 1. 12th 5v5 all.

14th in 15-16 up 1. 3rd 5v5 all.

3rd vs. 6th in 14-15, so not a big change.

3rd in all, 10th in +1 in 13-14.

Their Sv% up 1 in the past few years: 15th, 6th, 5th, 1st.

I blame the coaching in large part. Look at Smith/Skjei's ice time yesterday. Lindberg/Buch got ~5 minutes each. The coach has also relied on bad defensemen (Girardi/Staal) the past couple years in those situations and it's predictably backfired on him.

I don't get how Gorton isn't furious - he, again, spends assets on upgrading the D and the coach plays the on the third pair. AV is utterly lost managing the defense. I thought he did a great job against Montreal and he deserves credit for that - but he's making the same mistakes again. And it's killing the team.
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BrettNYG10 : 1:04 pm : link
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Now that the dust has settled and the emotions  
redbeard : 1:08 pm : link
Are more in check cant we all just agree this loss started and ended with anak's weak ass effort?
Completely agree  
Kyle in NY : 1:19 pm : link
beard needs to lead us onto the ice for game 3

AV seems like a lost cause at this point. Two of our three best defensemen don't see the ice for the last six minutes of regulation when protecting a lead. I cannot wrap my mind around that.
Nope  
B in ALB : 1:33 pm : link
It's my game Kyle. I'm bringing the pain.
RE: Completely agree  
BrettNYG10 : 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13454786 Kyle in NY said:
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beard needs to lead us onto the ice for game 3

AV seems like a lost cause at this point. Two of our three best defensemen don't see the ice for the last six minutes of regulation when protecting a lead. I cannot wrap my mind around that.


It's a total organizational failure at this point. Lundqvist has totally impaired the ability for this team to analyze the defense in recent years because of how good he's been.
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BrettNYG10 : 1:36 pm : link
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I'm all for the beard's return  
gidiefor : Mod : 1:43 pm : link
d@mn it -- predictable it is --- all the frikken lemmings in a hissy fit running for the cliffs

It ain't over yet folks -- rub some dirt on it and suk it up

Go Rangers!!!!
.....  
Route 9 : 1:46 pm : link
Arc, I think that only 2 wins to TB (were not one goal wins) in their 2015 playoff wins were by 2 goals or more, the rest were one goal nail bitters. For example.
RE: I'm all for the beard's return  
B in ALB : 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13454821 gidiefor said:
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d@mn it -- predictable it is --- all the frikken lemmings in a hissy fit running for the cliffs

It ain't over yet folks -- rub some dirt on it and suk it up

Go Rangers!!!!


Sorry gid. But you don't get a say when you only showed up during the playoffs. No sir.
Bring it home B  
Kyle in NY : 2:18 pm : link
Let's do this
I'm starting to think the Pens...  
tony stg : 4:13 pm : link
... will the series against the Caps in 3 games.

Had my youngest daughter's college graduation this weekend so I saw neither Rangers game nor the first Caps game. No way the Rangers could have looked as bad as the Caps did in game 2. And I know the Rangers have been a better road team than at home this year, but I think they will still make a series out of this (just a blind hunch).

Unfortunately, I think my Caps are done.
RE: I'm starting to think the Pens...  
pjcas18 : 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13455109 tony stg said:
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... will the series against the Caps in 3 games.

Had my youngest daughter's college graduation this weekend so I saw neither Rangers game nor the first Caps game. No way the Rangers could have looked as bad as the Caps did in game 2. And I know the Rangers have been a better road team than at home this year, but I think they will still make a series out of this (just a blind hunch).

Unfortunately, I think my Caps are done.


It's going to get so bad they just cancel game 4?
RE: .  
In comment 13454811 BrettNYG10 said:
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I... I just don't know what to say.
AV  
XBRONX : 4:22 pm : link
must be blind
RE: RE: I'm starting to think the Pens...  
tony stg : 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13455116 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13455109 tony stg said:


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... will the series against the Caps in 3 games.

Had my youngest daughter's college graduation this weekend so I saw neither Rangers game nor the first Caps game. No way the Rangers could have looked as bad as the Caps did in game 2. And I know the Rangers have been a better road team than at home this year, but I think they will still make a series out of this (just a blind hunch).

Unfortunately, I think my Caps are done.



It's going to get so bad they just cancel game 4?

pj - For all intents and purposes. I've sat through this movie too many times before. I'd love to be wrong, but....
The lines are fine  
MetsAreBack : 4:30 pm : link
I mean we don't have any alternatives. I think clendening or Kampfer would be better but it's not a surprise that AV doesn't like them. It's his usage that's all wrong.

Was he asked why he went to 3 lines yesterday ? Was it Buchnevichs first period mid ice Turnover even though every vet made a bad play at some point these first two games too?

I'm guessing we'll see glass Tuesday
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BrettNYG10 : 4:38 pm : link
#NYR Vigneault on Skjei usage: "Mins are based on how you're playing & what you're doing for the team that night what your contribution is."
RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13455135 BrettNYG10 said:
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#NYR Vigneault on Skjei usage: "Mins are based on how you're playing & what you're doing for the team that night what your contribution is."


AVs 'accountability' and his statistics discussions make me roll my eyes these days. He's so full of shit. At least Torts was an asshole to your face.
Discouraged  
5BowlsSoon : 5:46 pm : link
But not out! One at a time. You can do it!!!!!
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Anakim : 5:53 pm : link
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Kovalchuk Wants Sign-And-Trade To NYC Or Florida
RE: .  
In comment 13455135 BrettNYG10 said:
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#NYR Vigneault on Skjei usage: "Mins are based on how you're playing & what you're doing for the team that night what your contribution is."


I'd rather him say "no comment" then this horseshit response to a good question. Skjei was terrific on Saturday... stopped multiple game ending chances for Ottawa by himself and scored twice, yet he played less than Holden/Staal.

During the first round, Valiquette said AV needs to start doing what other teams do and lean heavily on his best defensemen. Eric Karlsson played 37 minutes on one foot.
RE: RE: I'm all for the beard's return  
gidiefor : Mod : 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13454844 B in ALB said:
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Sorry gid. But you don't get a say when you only showed up during the playoffs. No sir.


Now there's a load of bull -- I have a say

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Predators look really good.  
BrettNYG10 : 6:05 pm : link
Did a great job closing out the lead against the Blues.

LOL @ the Habs for trading Subban and McDonagh.
RE: Predators look really good.  
pjcas18 : 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13455300 BrettNYG10 said:
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Did a great job closing out the lead against the Blues.

LOL @ the Habs for trading Subban and McDonagh.


Subban hurts, but the more time goes by the less McDonagh does. He just hasn't developed offensively like I thought he would. The trade was brutal, make no mistake about it, but if McDonagh turned into Chelios like I thought he could I'd feel different.

I like Skjei more than McDonagh the more I watch the Rangers.

Anaheim answering the bell tonight in Edmonton  
MetsAreBack : 7:39 pm : link

Of the three teams down 0-2 I thought they had the best shot only because they had truly cursed puck luck in the first two (and played an all around stupid game in the opener). I still expect them to beat Edmonton and represent the west.

Brett - I'm guessing Nashville played its best defenders down the stretch, didn't have forwards throwing blind behind the back passes in our own zone, and it's goalie was stopping wrist shots from the blue line with minimal traffic in front.

Yesterday's gonna hurt for a long long time. How many two goal leads have been blown and lost in the final 3 minutes of a playoff game ever? Toronto - Boston game 7 is the other one that comes to mind recently. Any others?
One word for the Ranger meltdown  
Torrag : 8:15 pm : link
Unfuckingbelievable
Oilers get a lucky goal.  
BrettNYG10 : 8:16 pm : link
Fun game.
Feels almost impossible to hold leads in these playoffs  
Kyle in NY : 8:19 pm : link
Obviously watching the Rangers adds to that feeling but 3-0 almost seems like nothing to Edmonton
McDavid  
pjcas18 : 8:31 pm : link
is sick
I find McDavid a lot more exciting to watch than Crosby ever was.  
BrettNYG10 : 8:33 pm : link
Am I the only one?

The Oilers jerseys are ugly as hell.
Entertaining  
bigbluehoya : 8:34 pm : link
Talbot would like that one back
RE: I find McDavid a lot more exciting to watch than Crosby ever was.  
pjcas18 : 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13455435 BrettNYG10 said:
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Am I the only one?

The Oilers jerseys are ugly as hell.


He's definitely faster and speed is exciting to watch, but after watching that McDavid goal I thought it was a lot like a Crosby goal.

Talbot with the softy, fun game, wide open, with some hitting. Crowd there is nuts.
Brutal goal allowed  
Kyle in NY : 8:36 pm : link
by MAB's boy Talbot. Gonna go out on a limb and say the scoring isn't over in this one.

McDavid is special though
Yeah  
Kyle in NY : 8:37 pm : link
that edgework, quickness, and balance was Crosby-esque. I do agree that McDavid is more exciting but that's mostly due to his insane speed with the puck. Crosby is a bit more subtle.
RE: Yeah  
pjcas18 : 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13455440 Kyle in NY said:
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that edgework, quickness, and balance was Crosby-esque. I do agree that McDavid is more exciting but that's mostly due to his insane speed with the puck. Crosby is a bit more subtle.


I agree with this, last night Crosby had an assist where he back checked, laid out and blocked a shot, and swatted the puck from prone on the ice to a streaking teammate (Guentzel or Kessel - I forget) who scored on a 2 on 1. It's the little things Crosby does that amaze me almost every game. Watching him move without the puck he's the most cerebral player since Gretzky IMO. I know it's cliched but he literally does make every player on his team better when they're on the ice with him.

McDavid could surpass Crosby, he's got all the skills to do it, but IMO Crosby is the best player in the league today and I enjoy watching him, but I wouldn't argue with someone who likes to watch McDavid play more....especially a Rangers fan.
Yeah it took me some time to fully appreciate Crosby  
Kyle in NY : 8:57 pm : link
but he just does all the little things perfectly. And it's nearly impossible to knock him off the puck, he's a great skater without having great speed, if that makes sense. And seeing the endless parade of wingers he's turned into top playoff scorers just confirmed it. Unfortunately, he's one of the greats
RE: RE: Predators look really good.  
Stufftherun : 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13455334 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13455300 BrettNYG10 said:


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Did a great job closing out the lead against the Blues.

LOL @ the Habs for trading Subban and McDonagh.



Subban hurts, but the more time goes by the less McDonagh does. He just hasn't developed offensively like I thought he would. The trade was brutal, make no mistake about it, but if McDonagh turned into Chelios like I thought he could I'd feel different.

I like Skjei more than McDonagh the more I watch the Rangers.


I really believe the weight of wearing the C on his chest changed his approach in fact the first year he wore it he wasn't even close to the same player he was and it took some time before he was comfortable with it. That and the injuries he's suffered to his foot/ankle can't he discounted in the least. As much as I love his game, I wouldn't label him a quintessential leader/captain.
McD has been a fuckin animal  
B in ALB : 9:58 pm : link
This series, plus Montreal and clearly is playing at an elite level.

Yet you assholes are questioning him? Gtfoh.
RE: McD has been a fuckin animal  
pjcas18 : 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13455495 B in ALB said:
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This series, plus Montreal and clearly is playing at an elite level.

Yet you assholes are questioning him? Gtfoh.


Defensively, he's elite, just not offensively, and there's nothing wrong with that. I like him. I just thought he had future perennial Norris candidate type skills as a prospect, but the offense didn't develop like I thought it would.

not a criticism really.
PJ is correct about McD.  
Davisian : 10:16 pm : link
The trade was awesome. He's a phenomenal defender, a hell of a hockey player, but he hasn't become that top 5 in the game, perennial Norris candidate that it seems he was heading for after his first couple seasons.

It's not a critique, it's a reality. No problem with his game at all.


And yes, unfortunately, Crosby is absolutely the best hockey player of this era and it's not even close. Him and Mario both pee sitting down, but they are/were amazing hockey players.

RE: McD has been a fuckin animal  
Stufftherun : 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13455495 B in ALB said:
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This series, plus Montreal and clearly is playing at an elite level.

Yet you assholes are questioning him? Gtfoh.


I was merely commenting on the trajectory that pj was referring to. As I mentioned, I love his game however he's certainly not above reproach. Hell, he was on the ice for two critical goals yesterday where he allowed the forward to skate freely in front of Hank, didn't bother tying up the man up and the result was the player easily deflected the puck into the net.
McDavid is so much fun to watch because not only is he blazing fast  
Greg from LI : 5/1/2017 11:00 am : link
But he can do everything he does at top speed. His moves are unbelievably fast, and he can stop on a dime and get right back up to speed like no one I've ever seen. He's not quite at Crosby's level yet, but he isn't far away, and I think he'll have the more impressive career.

Plus, he's not a stain on humanity, so he's got that going for him.
2 days later  
Sonic Youth : 5/1/2017 12:40 pm : link
and I'm still sick to my stomach over this game. I am nearly 100% confident that it cost us the series. Absolute disaster of a game, and literally rage inducing even 2 days later. FUCK.

FUCK FUCK FUCK
RE: McDavid is so much fun to watch because not only is he blazing fast  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13455991 Greg from LI said:
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But he can do everything he does at top speed. His moves are unbelievably fast, and he can stop on a dime and get right back up to speed like no one I've ever seen. He's not quite at Crosby's level yet, but he isn't far away, and I think he'll have the more impressive career.

Plus, he's not a stain on humanity, so he's got that going for him.


McDavid could very well become a better player and still not have a better career in terms of "rings" and accolades. Crosby has 2 stanley cups, 2 Olympic golds, 2 world cup golds, a World Juniors gold plus all the accolades - like Conn Smythe, Ross, etc..

McDavid is so young so it could happen, but that's a steep hill to climb, and Crosby isn't done yet.
RE: 2 days later  
bigbluehoya : 5/1/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13456220 Sonic Youth said:
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and I'm still sick to my stomach over this game. I am nearly 100% confident that it cost us the series. Absolute disaster of a game, and literally rage inducing even 2 days later. FUCK.

FUCK FUCK FUCK


Between now and tomorrow night, snap out of it. Ottawa is a pretty good team, buy the Rangers have been here before. Coming home for 2, and I expect to be going back to Ottawa all tied up.

This series could just as easily be 2-0 rangers right now, and the rangers haven't played well.

Yeah, I know, If the Queen had a peen she'd be the King and all that stuff, but this is where we buck up.

(I'm going to game 3 so I gave myself a pep talk last night to snap out of the 0-2 mental malaise)
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arcarsenal : 5/1/2017 1:33 pm : link
Game 2 really took the fucking wind out of my sails.

If we can put together a strong performance tomorrow and win, I'll feel a lot better. But right now, I just feel fucking deflated.

What a kick in the balls, man.

It really sucked to know that we literally had no chance of winning that game in OT, either. Like, there was just no possible way for me to believe the Rangers were going to score again and win the game. Lo and behold...
And yet they probably  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 2:14 pm : link
had the better chances in OT. Nash with the wide open net, Hayes all alone in front, etc. Zibanejad missed an half open net at the end of regulation too

Just a really shitty way to lose
Yeah  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 2:19 pm : link
I'm not even sure how to comp that game.

Game 2 against LAK with blowing a 2 goal third period lead and then losing in 2OT - but the Kings had tilted the ice most of that game and scored fairly early in the 3rd period to get within one and then tie.

Nash missing on the doorsteps in OT in game 5 of that same series, and this past one, was eerily deja vu.

Unlike the Kings series though, in this one with just 3 minutes left we had surrendered JUST 18 SHOTS ON NET through 57 minutes. We were dominating - the commentators were saying what a big win this was for us since we'd struggled all year at home, the team is more relaxed on the road, etc.

You just don't know how many more elite 8 opportunities this group is going to get. Flyers/Devils got better this weekend too.

Is what it is. Saturday's Collapse (capital "C" to jon from nj who talked in these terms for the '07 Mets) was unfortunately... historic.

I've been trying to find historic NHL playoff collapses to compare it to, and outside of Toronto's game 7 meltdown vs Boston I cant find many comps (most of the articles talk to blowing 3-0 series leads, Caps meltdowns over the years, etc. though)

Depressing to say the least.
Not sure why you're all doom and gloomers  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 2:19 pm : link
the Canadiens are a better team than Ottawa.

I think the Rangers actually were motivated by the Canadiens physical play and it forced them to be more careful.

But the story of the Canadiens series was Hank.

If he plays 4 more games like he did against the Canadiens or he did in game 1, the Rangers win this series.

one game changes everything.

I do think this is a must win tomorrow night and I do think the Rangers win it.
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arcarsenal : 5/1/2017 2:26 pm : link
I think the Canadiens were a slightly better team than Ottawa, too.

But it doesn't matter because in a 7 game series, where all of these games are so close and literally decided by mere bounces most of the time - an 0-2 hole is very tough to get out of.

It does happen. We saw this team climb out of 1-3 in 2014 vs. PIT and again in 2015 vs. WSH.. but I'm not sure if this team has the resolve. LA got out of 0-3 vs. SJ in 2014, too.

The tone and narrative certainly change quickly with a convincing NYR win tomorrow - as it is the nature of the playoffs - but this team is going to need very short memories.

What's worse about the way these 2 games went is that now, any lead late in a game is going to have the Rangers worrying whether or not they can hold it and the Senators believing they can erase it. We gave that team a LOT of confidence after these first two games. Not good when momentum and morale can play such a large role in these playoff series'.
RE: Not sure why you're all doom and gloomers  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13456385 pjcas18 said:
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But the story of the Canadiens series was Hank.

If he plays 4 more games like he did against the Canadiens or he did in game 1, the Rangers win this series.

one game changes everything.



For whatever reason people like to talk in extremes around here, myself included at times I admit. Hank was excellent against Montreal, and his game 5 save on MaxPac's breakaway won the series.

But lets also acknowledge that 2 of the 3 games Hank has been outstanding in... we ended up losing anyway. He didn't need to be unbelievable in games 1 or 4 against Montreal, but he was solid and that was enough.

Also, Hank doesnt have to be "Habs series Hank" or even g1 Ottawa Hank... to win game 2 - he just needed to have been Steve Mason out there. We ended up giving up 5 regulation goals on 24 shots, very few of them high quality. I'll give you a bad bounce or deflection on one or two, but I'm not asking for Conn Smythe every game here as was alluded to on Saturday... he could have played a generally shitty game and we'd still have won 5-4.

We signed D Neal Pionk  
Anakim : 5/1/2017 2:32 pm : link
Make of that what you will
Hank had a bad  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 2:34 pm : link
game in game 2, no way around it. Anyone that says differently isn't really being fair.

I'm just saying I expect him to be more like he was consistently against MTL and how he was in game 1 against OTT and if he is the Rangers win the series.

I think the Rangers win game 1 if that replays itself more often than they lose it (though that is clearly a hypothetical).

People seem pretty impressed by the Pionk signing  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 2:43 pm : link
Guess it was a bit unexpected. Nice to add a RHD. Will be 22 next season. Starting to put some pieces together on the blue line. Re-sign Smith, increase Skeji's usage, get rid of two of the three stooges, and maybe we don't need a huge Shattenkirk contract.
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RE: People seem pretty impressed by the Pionk signing  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13456448 Kyle in NY said:
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Guess it was a bit unexpected. Nice to add a RHD. Will be 22 next season. Starting to put some pieces together on the blue line. Re-sign Smith, increase Skeji's usage, get rid of two of the three stooges, and maybe we don't need a huge Shattenkirk contract. Link - ( New Window )


not a fan of small defensemen at all, but if you look at rosters of some of the world juniors teams RD seem like they're becoming more and more rare.
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Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 2:56 pm : link
Yeah a few guys have broke the mold lately. As long as they can skate and move the puck, size is becoming less and less important. Jared Spurgeon on Minnesota comes to mind. Hopefully we got us one of those
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pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13456486 Kyle in NY said:
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And the Bruins love Torey Krug (though he's very one dimensional), I'm just saying my personal preference is for bigger, longer reach, defensemen.
I can tell you where my doom and gloom comes from  
Greg from LI : 5/1/2017 3:09 pm : link
You can tell from Vigneault's coaching decisions during the game and his comments after the game that he still doesn't get it. Smith and Skjei get buried for no good reason again. The useless Nick fucking Holden played eight more minutes than the vastly superior Smith. In an 82 minute game, Buchnevich and Lindberg played 5 minutes and change. Lindberg, who was one of their very best forwards in the Habs series!!

You know he's dying to stick Glass back in the lineup.
Enjoy Brooklyn or the Panthers, Kovy (TB won't have the cap)  
Anakim : 5/1/2017 3:13 pm : link
Slava Malamud @SlavaMalamud
Kovalchuk would likely prefer to stay in NYC or wind up in Florida. Wife and 4 kids are a major factor. It will be sign-and-trade, though.
what's the trade value for Kovalchuk at 34?  
Greg from LI : 5/1/2017 3:16 pm : link
He wasn't exactly the most consistent guy when he was younger.
RE: what's the trade value for Kovalchuk at 34?  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13456518 Greg from LI said:
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He wasn't exactly the most consistent guy when he was younger.

mid-round draft pick is my guess. 4th/5th.

Not much. Now how much money will he get and for how long is a better question.
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arcarsenal : 5/1/2017 3:23 pm : link
I haven't followed what Kovalchuk has done since he left but the guy was like an 80pt player before he left. He was a beast. If he's still like 80% of that player I'd love him on the Rangers.
The Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2017 3:26 pm : link
paid Radulov 5M for 1 year and he wasn't nearly the player Kovalchuk was.

He's a few years younger than Kovy, but still probably around what Kovy gets.
Yeah I honestly don't see the Rangers coming back after Game 2  
NYerInMA : 5/1/2017 5:32 pm : link
But then again, I thought they were toast after Game 3 vs. Montreal. They really need to right the ship in a hurry.
Same lines at practice today  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 5:42 pm : link
annoying for the defense, but maybe that at least means that Glass isn't coming back in
Don't worry fans  
B in ALB : 5/1/2017 6:17 pm : link
I'll get us back on track tomorrow.
Washington sign Ogie Oglethorpe just for this game?  
schabadoo : 5/1/2017 8:01 pm : link
Thought he was banned.
Amazing that didn't go in  
pganut : 5/1/2017 8:03 pm : link
Winnick's shaft saves it. Looked like a certain goal in that situation.
my phone just said Crosby left the game with an UBI  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 8:09 pm : link
could be a series changer
Our D corp next year may be very young  
Anakim : 5/1/2017 8:12 pm : link
McDonagh---Smith (enough of McDonagh/Girardi. I can't stand it anymore)
Skjei----Shattenkirk/Girardi (either Girardi or Staal goes but probably wishful thinking to have both go)
Berezglazov/Graves----Pionk
Kampfer


Adios Klein, Holden and one of Girardi/Staal
RE: my phone just said Crosby left the game with an UBI  
schabadoo : 5/1/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13456864 MetsAreBack said:
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could be a series changer


Crosscheck.
RE: my phone just said Crosby left the game with an UBI  
Anakim : 5/1/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13456864 MetsAreBack said:
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could be a series changer


Urinary Bitch Infection?








Oh, Upper Body Injury. Yeah, he hurt his tits
Ovechkin whacked Crosby 2x in the head  
pganut : 5/1/2017 8:31 pm : link
Before the crosscheck by Niskanen (despite my belief Niskanen didn't intentionally hit him in the head, Crosby was already off balance from the Ovechkin hits).

Video of the Ovechkin whacks here.
It will be a tough one for the league  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 8:38 pm : link

Ovechkin has been getting away with dirty playoff play for a decade now. Never been punished for it. I wish i had a dime for all the flying elbows he was throwing in our series' with them 2 and 4 years ago.

But this time he went after the golden child. Maybe the league will finally take notice.

I have to think that's no goal  
pganut : 5/1/2017 8:42 pm : link
Puck definitely not in before Kunitz hits Holtby, impedes him, IMO.
RE: I have to think that's no goal  
pganut : 5/1/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13456914 pganut said:
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Puck definitely not in before Kunitz hits Holtby, impedes him, IMO.
Haha, nope. I guess that one's for Sid.
Surprising call but what  
Stufftherun : 5/1/2017 8:44 pm : link
can you say when it comes to the consistency of these calls around goaltenders.
That CAN'T be a goal.  
tony stg : 5/1/2017 8:44 pm : link
..
Man, twilight zone  
pganut : 5/1/2017 8:45 pm : link
They call it off, confirm goaltender interference. The original review was for the puck going in legally, which it did. Caps challenge for the G interference and win that.
What a joke!  
Stufftherun : 5/1/2017 8:45 pm : link
Why review it in the first place?!
Shattenkirk has been shit during the playoffs  
Anakim : 5/1/2017 9:23 pm : link
Some team is going to overpay him but it better not be us. If he wants to come here, great, but it'll be on a reasonable deal.
Major asterisk on a Caps title  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 9:33 pm : link
if they come back and win the series with Sydney missing extended time because of these dirty hits. Really casts a shadow on everything.

I'm guessing Caps fans at this point will take it any way they can get it though, no matter how tainted.
RE: Ovechkin whacked Crosby 2x in the head  
Patrick : 5/1/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13456895 pganut said:
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Before the crosscheck by Niskanen (despite my belief Niskanen didn't intentionally hit him in the head, Crosby was already off balance from the Ovechkin hits).

Video of the Ovechkin whacks here.


This. I think the hit by Ovie knocked him loopy to begin with. I hate the yinzers and especially crybaby Sid but this is horseshit. Reminiscent of the Hunter hit, if not as egregious. Fuck the caps. Niskanen deserved maybe a double minor at worst but Ovechkin slashed him in the head.
I want the Caps to win very badly...  
tony stg : 5/1/2017 10:03 pm : link
... but I'm not happy for Crosby to go out on that kind of play.
If nothing else  
pganut : 5/1/2017 10:18 pm : link
This has been an entertaining game. And it's now a game for sure. PIT has momentum.
Wow,  
Mad Mike : 5/1/2017 10:21 pm : link
Csps, smh.
Wow  
bigbluehoya : 5/1/2017 10:21 pm : link
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Oh man  
pganut : 5/1/2017 10:22 pm : link
Yinz tie it up. If the Caps lose this one, tony my man, it may be catastrophic.
For cryin' out loud...  
tony stg : 5/1/2017 10:22 pm : link
...
Well there ya go MAB  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 10:22 pm : link
you were looking for another team that blew the lead like us

Damn that is rough
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arcarsenal : 5/1/2017 10:23 pm : link
Looks like the Pens are going to double up and win it all again this year.

I don't know how much I even care about punching an ECF ticket at this point. Seems like it's just an invitation to get our asses kicked.
I don't know what it is  
bigbluehoya : 5/1/2017 10:24 pm : link
Because I despise both of these teams, but I love watching Holtby lose
Wish I could say I was shocked...  
tony stg : 5/1/2017 10:25 pm : link
... sadly, I'm not.
The Caps psyche  
Stufftherun : 5/1/2017 10:28 pm : link
has got to be shot after that but all it takes is one good bounce to end it and make a series out of this.
Orpik on the ice too  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 10:29 pm : link
he's essentially their Girardi. We are not alone folks
So tired.  
Patrick : 5/1/2017 10:40 pm : link
Slept about 8 hours in the last 72 and was looking forward to a nice 6 hours tonight. Now this fucking game is in OT and I can't stop watching. #firstworldproblems
RE: Well there ya go MAB  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13457030 Kyle in NY said:
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you were looking for another team that blew the lead like us

Damn that is rough


It's only a choke if you end up losing the game. A win and they are back in the series with Murray letang Crosby and hornqvist all out Wednesday. Lucky break. They just have to score next against a depleted team.
RE: Shattenkirk has been shit during the playoffs  
Anakim : 5/1/2017 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13456966 Anakim said:
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Some team is going to overpay him but it better not be us. If he wants to come here, great, but it'll be on a reasonable deal.


Nice redemption
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arcarsenal : 5/1/2017 10:46 pm : link
Well, the Caps figured out how to score after a deflating end to regulation.. unlike us.
Well, whatta' ya' know...  
tony stg : 5/1/2017 10:47 pm : link
The guy playing the worst bangs one home. Guess we're not quite dead yet.
Big recovery by the Caps  
pganut : 5/1/2017 10:48 pm : link
Not only drawing within one game, but the possibility of Crosby being out as noted above potentially changing the complexion of things.

Gonna be a streetfight going forward.
Suspensions better be coming  
MetsAreBack : 5/1/2017 10:49 pm : link

Including to number 8 who's been getting away with this shit for years
Ovi suspended for the Crosby play?  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 10:53 pm : link
Niskanen had the cross check. I do agree though that Ovechkin is a reckless player
RE: Suspensions better be coming  
pganut : 5/1/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13457061 MetsAreBack said:
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Including to number 8 who's been getting away with this shit for years
Obviously insanely talented, but either Ovechkin was never taught to hit properly or willfully ignores how. He often waits for opponents to turn away and it's right between the numbers. Dangerous.
RE: Ovi suspended for the Crosby play?  
pganut : 5/1/2017 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13457063 Kyle in NY said:
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Niskanen had the cross check. I do agree though that Ovechkin is a reckless player
He sort of fell from the Ovechkin hits right into Niskanen's path; I don't believe Niskanen had any intent to crosscheck him there, IMO. Ovechkin was reckless, it was two quick hits to the upper body/back of the head. That's what should be suspended, not Niskanen.
I saw the slash to the arm  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 11:00 pm : link
didn't look like he caught his head with the slash. It obviously caused the fall into Niskanen though. But no way that's suspension worthy in the playoffs
Kyle  
pganut : 5/1/2017 11:05 pm : link
Look at the link in my 8:31 post. Slash to arm that has the blade impact upper chest/neck and the whiplash back and combo of Ovechkin trying to bring his stick up and over has the stick whack the back top of Crosby's head. That 2nd conk on the helmet dazes Crosby, who then slides to his right, off balance eventually into Niskanen's path.
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arcarsenal : 5/1/2017 11:06 pm : link
No chance in hell they're suspending Ovi at this point in the playoffs for that. It was dangerous and about the ten thousandth dangerous thing he's done on the ice - but Bettman doesn't have the balls to roll out a suspension for that. I don't think he should, either. Maybe suspend him for like the first couple games of next year if anything.. but that's about all you can do.
Agreed, not a chance Ovie  
Stufftherun : 5/1/2017 11:15 pm : link
is suspended and if there are any suspensions handed out it would be for Niskanen's cross-check albeit I agree w pga that it didn't appear to be intentional. Only reason for a suspension would be to make him the fall guy and to respond to backlash from the Pitt organization.
Didn't see that second hit on the head  
Kyle in NY : 5/1/2017 11:16 pm : link
Good call. But yeah there's no chance he's getting suspended. Definitely dangerous though

The mills of the Gods grind slowly  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/2/2017 12:22 am : link
but they grind exceedingly fine
Niskanen will not face hearing for hit on Crosby  
tony stg : 5/2/2017 10:39 am : link
Source: theScore
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I didnt think Niskanen  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2017 10:42 am : link
even deserved the gate.

Crosby was falling when Niskanen hit him, penalty sure because he has a responsibility to control his body and a hit to the head is a hit to the head, misconduct? not in my view.

Injuries are unfortunate, but you don't always need someone to blame or punish for them.

RE: I didnt think Niskanen  
pganut : 5/2/2017 11:05 am : link
In comment 13457421 pjcas18 said:
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even deserved the gate.

Crosby was falling when Niskanen hit him, penalty sure because he has a responsibility to control his body and a hit to the head is a hit to the head, misconduct? not in my view.

Injuries are unfortunate, but you don't always need someone to blame or punish for them.
This. I can't stand either team, but I think Niskanen was the least "culpable" person in this. Ovechkin - who I also agree won't be suspended - was the reckless one swinging his stick at head level (and connecting) with no regard for player safety, regardless of it being Crosby or anyone else.
RE: RE: I didnt think Niskanen  
tony stg : 5/2/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13457459 pganut said:
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In comment 13457421 pjcas18 said:


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even deserved the gate.

Crosby was falling when Niskanen hit him, penalty sure because he has a responsibility to control his body and a hit to the head is a hit to the head, misconduct? not in my view.

Injuries are unfortunate, but you don't always need someone to blame or punish for them.


This. I can't stand either team, but I think Niskanen was the least "culpable" person in this. Ovechkin - who I also agree won't be suspended - was the reckless one swinging his stick at head level (and connecting) with no regard for player safety, regardless of it being Crosby or anyone else.

I think it was Ovechkin's skate hitting Crosby's skate that really caused the problem as opposed to the slash (which should have been a penalty, I agree). Even as a Caps fan I hope Crosby can play in game 4.
Penguins' Sidney Crosby out for Game 4 with concussion  
tony stg : 5/2/2017 2:09 pm : link
Per ESPN...
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