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2017 NFL Draft: Fifth-Round Discussion Thread

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 1:49 pm
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Positions to target (IMHO)  
Cenotaph : 4/29/2017 1:54 pm : link
over the remaining rounds and UDFA:

-LB depth
-CB depth
-DE depth
-OT competition or development guy (if anything left)
-OL depth if no help at OT available

Don't expect they'll spend much more at QB, RB, TE or DT, so probably the best value is to fill out D, possibly grab a WR if one they like. Feel free to disagree!
My top three guys available:  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 1:55 pm : link
Not including interior O-Linemen:

CB/FS Desmond King of Iowa
LB Anthony Walker Jr. of Northwestern
CB Damontae Kazee of San Diego State

I'm sure one of them will be there and any one of them will make me happy.
LOL @ the Jets cheerleaders...  
EricJ : 4/29/2017 1:56 pm : link
they looked like crack whores from Hunts Point
I would go with that kicker  
Rflairr : 4/29/2017 1:56 pm : link
this round
Please  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:00 pm : link
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006986/jerry-ugokwe

I really hope this guy is a Giant today.
we need to Draft David Diehl  
George from PA : 4/29/2017 2:01 pm : link
Hardnose OLmen, plays Guard and Tackle.
Bisnowaty maybe?  
WillVAB : 4/29/2017 2:02 pm : link
?
RE: Positions to target (IMHO)  
Jesse B : 4/29/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13452521 Cenotaph said:
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over the remaining rounds and UDFA:

-LB depth
-CB depth
-DE depth
-OT competition or development guy (if anything left)
-OL depth if no help at OT available

Don't expect they'll spend much more at QB, RB, TE or DT, so probably the best value is to fill out D, possibly grab a WR if one they like. Feel free to disagree!


Think biggest remaining need is Kicker.

And it looks kkke if LB doesn't work out they can just keep JT Thomas
Holden, McDermott or Asiata.  
Capt. Don : 4/29/2017 2:03 pm : link
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Kkke=like  
Jesse B : 4/29/2017 2:04 pm : link
Typing on phone
DB, LB or OL please  
AnnapolisMike : 4/29/2017 2:04 pm : link
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Good time for a trade up to get who you want  
AnnapolisMike : 4/29/2017 2:04 pm : link
if you really like them
Asiata, McDermott, Knappe, Bisnowaty  
illmatic : 4/29/2017 2:10 pm : link
among others. Still some good OL guys on the board. One of them should be available.
Fill the rest of the needs now....  
est1986 : 4/29/2017 2:11 pm : link
OG/OT, DE, CB/K




RE: Asiata, McDermott, Knappe, Bisnowaty  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13452609 illmatic said:
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among others. Still some good OL guys on the board. One of them should be available.


King, Myrick, and Kazee at DB
Phillips at OLB and Blair Brown at ILB

Still plenty of talent left
No to Bisnowaty  
Dave in VA : 4/29/2017 2:14 pm : link
He is not what we need....lots of footage of him getting run over and through....I want the kid from A&M or Asiata
Dang  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:14 pm : link
Coughlin and Co. just took Blair Brown
Falcons land Kazee  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:15 pm : link
I really liked him as a nickel CB :(
There goes Kazee to Atlanta  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:15 pm : link
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Asiata, King, Elder  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:15 pm : link
OTs like Johnson and McDermott. Not a lot else.
Good point on kicker  
Cenotaph : 4/29/2017 2:16 pm : link
Don't know if we'll draft one, but definitely will target in UDFA, and may still grab a vet K.
With Kazee & Brown off the board  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:16 pm : link
Add DE Avery Moss and CB Corn Edler to my list
I'm not too high on him  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:16 pm : link
But surprised to see Bucky Hodges still there
The  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:16 pm : link
biggest problem with the OL is that you're not getting anyone at this point who can start, or probably even play well in spot, this year. You're at most getting a developmental OT.

We also need another LB, preferably one who can rush, and a CB, unless the Giants like Hunter and Deayon more than we think.
Jets get a steal in Jordan Leggett  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:17 pm : link
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Sy  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:18 pm : link
thoughts on my guy Jerry Ugokwe? I feel he's the perfect day 3 / developmental "project" with rare attributes.

Really hoping he's a Giant

Should not ignore OL  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:19 pm : link
at this point simply because they won't start.

What happens if one or 2 of them goes down with injury? You need depth.

Will Holden supplies depth at 3+ spots right away.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13452646 annexOPR said:
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thoughts on my guy Jerry Ugokwe? I feel he's the perfect day 3 / developmental "project" with rare attributes.

Really hoping he's a Giant


Round 7 maybe
Chargers take Desmond King  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:19 pm : link
They are having a nice draft
There goes DB King to Chargers  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:20 pm : link
Top value pick of the draft.
RE: Chargers take Desmond King  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13452650 Mike in NY said:
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They are having a nice draft


Yeah, they are.
RE: Chargers take Desmond King  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13452650 Mike in NY said:
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They are having a nice draft


Pretty clear a lot of teams don't think King translates well or provides value in the NFL.
Desmond King finally goes off the board  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 2:20 pm : link
to the Chargers
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Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:20 pm : link
My best player available is LB Anthony Walker Jr. of Northwestern



Roderick Johnson would be a decent gamble. He has horrible game tape but he has the talent and measurables you look for in a LT.
RE: Should not ignore OL  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13452648 Sy'56 said:
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at this point simply because they won't start.

What happens if one or 2 of them goes down with injury? You need depth.

Will Holden supplies depth at 3+ spots right away.


Agree. I'm just saying that nobody should be excited about an OL pick because they believe that player is ready to start. They won't. Holden, Knappe, and Dieugot are possibilities.
RE: RE: Sy  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13452649 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13452646 annexOPR said:


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thoughts on my guy Jerry Ugokwe? I feel he's the perfect day 3 / developmental "project" with rare attributes.

Really hoping he's a Giant




Round 7 maybe


yeah I was thinking 6th at the earliest ... day 3 it's all a roll of the dice anyway. he seems to have it all in theory, just needs a lot of work.
Elder off the clock too  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:22 pm : link
Next name on my list - DT Elijah Qualls

I know we took Tomlinson, but I think Qualls is an improvement over Bromley or Thomas
There goes Elder  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:22 pm : link
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CB Jalen Myrick of Minnesota  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:22 pm : link
Never saw him play but he was the fastest CB at the Combine
2 OL, say 5th and 7th round  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:23 pm : link
would that be out of the question? A few "projects" I'd love to take a chance on ... hope 1 sticks and becomes our next Diehl

Holden or Asiata.  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:25 pm : link
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First kicker off the board; Jake Elliott from Memphis  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 2:26 pm : link
to the Bengals
Redskins appear to be crushing this draft...  
Reb8thVA : 4/29/2017 2:28 pm : link
At least on paper.
RE: CB Jalen Myrick of Minnesota  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13452665 Anakim said:
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Never saw him play but he was the fastest CB at the Combine


He was good... would love to add him
RE: Redskins appear to be crushing this draft...  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13452679 Reb8thVA said:
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At least on paper.


theres a reason they are annual offseason champs
Wish we could get a corner  
Sonic Youth : 4/29/2017 2:28 pm : link
considering the strength of the draft. at this point though, I'd do backflips if we got Asiata. CB or OL please.
Another name to bring up  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:29 pm : link
Utah DB Brian Allen
RE: The  
FStubbs : 4/29/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13452641 AcidTest said:
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biggest problem with the OL is that you're not getting anyone at this point who can start, or probably even play well in spot, this year. You're at most getting a developmental OT.

We also need another LB, preferably one who can rush, and a CB, unless the Giants like Hunter and Deayon more than we think.


I thought Flowers and Hart were supposed to be so bad a 5th round rookie couldn't be worse.
A player  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 2:29 pm : link
I would love is Xavier Woods!
I'm still banging the drum for King  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
He doesn't have the measurables but the guy is just a solid football player. We could do much worse in the fifth
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Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
My top guys available (not including interior linemen or STers):


LB Anthony Walker Jr. of Northwestern*
LT Roderick Johnson of Florida State



OL Aviante Collins had a fantastic Combine, but I can't say anything about him
RE: I'm still banging the drum for King  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13452693 redbeard said:
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He doesn't have the measurables but the guy is just a solid football player. We could do much worse in the fifth


He was selected by San Diego
RE: I'm still banging the drum for King  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13452693 redbeard said:
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He doesn't have the measurables but the guy is just a solid football player. We could do much worse in the fifth



He went to the Chargers
RE: Another name to bring up  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13452689 Mike in NY said:
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Utah DB Brian Allen


mocked him to the giants in my draft ... asiata/brian Allen would be ideal gets @ this price - Allen ideally
RE: I'm still banging the drum for King  
redbeard : 4/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13452693 redbeard said:
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He doesn't have the measurables but the guy is just a solid football player. We could do much worse in the fifth


nevermind....
RE: I'm still banging the drum for King  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13452693 redbeard said:
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He doesn't have the measurables but the guy is just a solid football player. We could do much worse in the fifth


Chargers picked him.... guess they heard your drums
Jalen  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:33 pm : link
Myrick would be a good pick.
LB Jordan Evans  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:34 pm : link
A solid name to look for
Raanan's names to watch out for  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:34 pm : link
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any of raanan's names  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 2:35 pm : link
would be great

hoping for Brian Allen / Asiata
There goes Holden  
widmerseyebrow : 4/29/2017 2:36 pm : link
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Holden to ARI  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:36 pm : link
They have had a very nice draft
Walker Jr. and Roderick Johnson  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:37 pm : link
Johnson played like shit, but the potential is most definitely there. He could be a franchise LT if the stars align.


Walker Jr. was very productive and versatile but he needs to lose the weight he gained this past year.
NYG  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:37 pm : link
should look at McDermott here. Need to have a plan for 2018 if Flowers doesn't pan out.
With a kicker already gone...  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 2:38 pm : link
I think they go Gonzalez here
Holden  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:39 pm : link
gone.

Allen.
McDermott.
Asiata.
Myrick.
Evans.
Knappe.

Make it happen Jerry.
RE: NYG  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13452723 Sy'56 said:
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should look at McDermott here. Need to have a plan for 2018 if Flowers doesn't pan out.


Yeah but to be fair, I don't think you're going to find your future LT in round 5. But Johnson COULD be a franchise LT. He just needs to do a lot of work and actually commit to the game.
Asiata  
Jon in NYC : 4/29/2017 2:41 pm : link
would make a lot of sense.

Who is the backup guard right now?
RE: With a kicker already gone...  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13452724 Amtoft said:
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I think they go Gonzalez here

Wouldn't be opposed to it. He likely won't be there in the 6th. But doubt they do it.
RE: Asiata  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13452728 Jon in NYC said:
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would make a lot of sense.

Who is the backup guard right now?


You are. Time for your Walter Mitty fantasy. Suit up.
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Jay on the Island : 4/29/2017 2:42 pm : link
I would rather take a chance on McDermott. Roderick Johnson's lack of effort and desire are huge red flags for me. McDermott just needs time to get stronger.
RE: Asiata  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13452728 Jon in NYC said:
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would make a lot of sense.

Who is the backup guard right now?


Jones?

I'd like Asiata also.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 2:43 pm : link
I expected a RB in round 4. Think we go DB and OL project soon.
Browns take LT Roderick Johnson  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:44 pm : link
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There  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:44 pm : link
goes Roderick Johnson to the Browns.
Browns trade into Jets slot  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:44 pm : link
For Roderick Johnson
And Anthony Walker Jr. right after  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:46 pm : link
Sigh
Would  
jeremysgiants : 4/29/2017 2:46 pm : link
you guys take Caleb Brantley here or is he totally off your board?
Walker  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:46 pm : link
to the Browns.

Asiata has fallen so far, you have to wonder if he'll go undrafted.
Anthony Walker (LB, N'Western)  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 2:47 pm : link
goes to the Colts
trade up aready  
floridagiantsfan : 4/29/2017 2:47 pm : link
ol is alomost gone. Gerry get off your ass, trade up and get assiata or mcdrmott
RE: Would  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13452742 jeremysgiants said:
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you guys take Caleb Brantley here or is he totally off your board?


Off the board. My guess is Avery Moss is as well.
lol, how long  
SirYesSir : 4/29/2017 2:47 pm : link
is the cry for asiata going to continue - it's late 5th round, he's still there, he's not an answer for this year
RE: Would  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13452742 jeremysgiants said:
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you guys take Caleb Brantley here or is he totally off your board?


Off my board completely. At DT, Elijah Qualls I am surprised is still available
RE: trade up aready  
Jon in NYC : 4/29/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13452746 floridagiantsfan said:
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ol is alomost gone. Gerry get off your ass, trade up and get assiata or mcdrmott


Why are you freaking out about trading up in the 5th round?
R Johnson  
WillVAB : 4/29/2017 2:48 pm : link
Would've been a nice pick. Surprised he was around in the 5th.
RE: RE: Would  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13452749 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13452742 jeremysgiants said:


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you guys take Caleb Brantley here or is he totally off your board?



Off my board completely. At DT, Elijah Qualls I am surprised is still available


Qualls is very strong, but has short arms, and is only 6'1". He probably doesn't meet the size requirements the Giants have at the position. If they took another DT, I think it would be Rashaad Coward.
RE: RE: RE: Would  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13452752 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13452742 jeremysgiants said:


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you guys take Caleb Brantley here or is he totally off your board?



Off my board completely. At DT, Elijah Qualls I am surprised is still available



Qualls is very strong, but has short arms, and is only 6'1". He probably doesn't meet the size requirements the Giants have at the position. If they took another DT, I think it would be Rashaad Coward.


I'd go with Vincent Taylor
McNichols to TB  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:51 pm : link
A guy very similar to Doug Martin, also fro Boise.
OL  
WillVAB : 4/29/2017 2:51 pm : link
Pretty much dumpster diving at this point. I'd rather get a DB with upside if one is around.
Carroll Phillips  
Earl the goat : 4/29/2017 2:51 pm : link
Would be a nice pick
Love how some of our posters  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2017 2:51 pm : link
Go full metal jacket on Reese and lose ability to spell in the process.
RE: McNichols to TB  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13452756 Sy'56 said:
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A guy very similar to Doug Martin, also fro Boise.

The RB I wanted at 140
RE: RE: RE: RE: Would  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13452753 Anakim said:
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you guys take Caleb Brantley here or is he totally off your board?



Off my board completely. At DT, Elijah Qualls I am surprised is still available



Qualls is very strong, but has short arms, and is only 6'1". He probably doesn't meet the size requirements the Giants have at the position. If they took another DT, I think it would be Rashaad Coward.



I'd go with Vincent Taylor


I'm OK with Taylor.
I think NYG looks at  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 2:54 pm : link
CB Jalen Myrick
CB Channing Stribling
CB Jeremy Clark

S Xavier Woods

LB Jordan Evans
LB Carroll Phillips

OG Isaac Asiata
OG Ben Braden

OT Conor McDermott
OT Justin Senior
OT Anreas Knappe

WR Bucky Hodges
WR Malachi Dupre
Disagree on Dumster Diving  
Samiam : 4/29/2017 2:54 pm : link
Pre draft reports were that good DBs would be available in round 5
RE: Love how some of our posters  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13452760 Sammo85 said:
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Go full metal jacket on Reese and lose ability to spell in the process.


Love me some Sammo..👍
RE: lol, how long  
illmatic : 4/29/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13452748 SirYesSir said:
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is the cry for asiata going to continue - it's late 5th round, he's still there, he's not an answer for this year


Yeah, fuck these day 3 and undrafted players. They never contribute. Never!
I don't really have a list anymore  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:55 pm : link
But I'd keep an eye on:

S Jadar Johnson and S Xavier Woods
CBs Jalen Myrick and Jeremy Cutrer
There goes Isaac Asiata to the Dolphins  
Anakim : 4/29/2017 2:55 pm : link
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Asiata  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:56 pm : link
to Miami.
David Diehl was a 5th Round pick  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:56 pm : link
Crap, Miami lands Asiata a few picks before us
At least he didn't go to Philly  
regulator : 4/29/2017 2:56 pm : link
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damn Washington is killing it  
gtt350 : 4/29/2017 2:56 pm : link
Jeremy Sprinkle
Myrick by far my BPA  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 2:56 pm : link
As much as I want OL depth, there are more names there than at CB
Still guessing  
Amtoft : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
Gonzalez if someone doesnt jump us
I'm down with McDermott or Knappe here  
illmatic : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
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This  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
is the part of the draft where the scouts earn their money. But inevitably, the Giants (and other teams) take guys who are not household names and fans freak out.
yeah, half these guys, we end up bringing in as UDFA  
George from PA : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
and they still complain about the pick
Welp Asiata finally snagged  
ZGiants98 : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
By Dolphins.
There goes Asiata  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
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Myrick  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 2:57 pm : link
or Knappe.
Might as well go with Gonzales at this point  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 2:58 pm : link
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RE: This  
KevinBBWC : 4/29/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13452779 Eric from BBI said:
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is the part of the draft where the scouts earn their money. But inevitably, the Giants (and other teams) take guys who are not household names and fans freak out.


So true lol
Eagles select WR Shelton Gibson, W. Virginia  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 3:00 pm : link
We're up
MY PICK  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 3:00 pm : link
Conor McDermott - OT/UCLA
Can't wait for our 6th rounder  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2017 3:01 pm : link
When someone calls for Reese to be fired for taking a tweener CB who could also play specials.
Giants take DE Avery Moss  
illmatic : 4/29/2017 3:02 pm : link
Time for everyone to freak out
whoa  
Jay on the Island : 4/29/2017 3:02 pm : link
Moss
Avery Moss  
Danny L : 4/29/2017 3:02 pm : link
is the pick
Giants take Avery Moss  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 3:02 pm : link
He was a name I mentioned earlier in this thread. Absolutely no issue with him
Avery Moss, DE Youngstown State  
dpinzow : 4/29/2017 3:02 pm : link
is our pick
Avery  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 3:02 pm : link
Moss. Wow. Thought he wouldn't even be on their board. So much for not taking players with questionable backgrounds.
Comp is Robert Ayers  
jeff57 : 4/29/2017 3:03 pm : link
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JR sucks!  
nicky43 : 4/29/2017 3:04 pm : link
Biggest need = O-Line by far!

What does JR do = Completely ignore it! I pray this is his last year in NY!

RE: JR sucks!  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13452810 nicky43 said:
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Biggest need = O-Line by far!

What does JR do = Completely ignore it! I pray this is his last year in NY!



LOL! Right on cue!!! Fantastic!
Lol  
5BowlsSoon : 4/29/2017 3:07 pm : link
Well, this draft is supposed to be deep in DE so why not get one even if we really don't need one. We could always use a back up DE to go along with our back up QB and to go along with our back up RB.
Florida state ot  
hitdog42 : 4/29/2017 3:13 pm : link
Would have been nice but the browns nabbed him
RE: Lol  
Jay on the Island : 4/29/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13452824 5BowlsSoon said:
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Well, this draft is supposed to be deep in DE so why not get one even if we really don't need one. We could always use a back up DE to go along with our back up QB and to go along with our back up RB.

We don't need a DE? Did you watch what happened last year when JPP went down.
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