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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 3:03 pm
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Was Zane Gonzalez, PK  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 3:08 pm : link
taken yet?
RE: Was Zane Gonzalez, PK  
Boatie Warrant : 4/29/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13452828 Big Blue '56 said:
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taken yet?


Nope
Thanks Boatie..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 3:10 pm : link
Wouldn't mind him here if available at our pick
RE: Thanks Boatie..  
Boatie Warrant : 4/29/2017 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13452837 Big Blue '56 said:
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Wouldn't mind him here if available at our pick


It will be interesting to see if we just wait for UDFA's to find some O-linemen
RE: RE: Thanks Boatie..  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13452844 Boatie Warrant said:
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Wouldn't mind him here if available at our pick



It will be interesting to see if we just wait for UDFA's to find some O-linemen


been saying all offseason with this OL class you're better off waiting on projects rather than reaching early because of "need". very few prospects this year that could've helped right away. after Lamp was gone I hoped the giants would look elsewhere until day 3
Offensive lineman  
eric2425ny : 4/29/2017 3:27 pm : link
I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.
Peterman  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 3:28 pm : link
goes to Buffalo. Steelers take Brian Allen. Kayaa still available.
RE: Offensive lineman  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13452886 eric2425ny said:
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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.


amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.
look  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 3:33 pm : link
at the #'s folks. There are not a lot of OLs being drafted.
Some names on my list  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 3:34 pm : link
Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois
Xavier Woods, SS, Louisiana Tech
Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington
Connor McDermott, OT, UCLA
Danny Isidora, OG, Miami (FL)
Jadar Johnson, S, Clemson
Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan
The highest ceiling CB  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 3:35 pm : link
on the board is Jeremy Clark
RE: RE: Offensive lineman  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13452896 annexOPR said:
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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.



amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.


There are Vet OL that could provide depth that I presume will be cut after the draft..
Dave pointed out the Giants interest in Knappe  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2017 3:36 pm : link
We will see. I would love to sed Crossan although with Gallman I don't see the room unless he takes over for Vereen.
Scratch Isidora from my list  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 3:39 pm : link
Add Andreas Knappe, OT, Connecticut

I also would not rule out Zane Gonzalez because he at least could make the roster
RE: look  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13452905 Eric from BBI said:
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at the #'s folks. There are not a lot of OLs being drafted.


We also signed Fluker. He's basically a draft pick. Richburg played the whole season with torn tendons in his hands. Flowers and Hart have another year of experience. Jerry was better last year. We'll add a developmental OT in all likelihood in the next two picks.

I just really like that we got a talented DE. JPP and Vernon played 90% of the snaps last season. That can't happen again.
RE: RE: Offensive lineman  
nicky43 : 4/29/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13452896 annexOPR said:
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In comment 13452886 eric2425ny said:


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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.



amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.


Just as many of us are so fucking sick of seeing this team being forced to play with a seriously weak o-Line wasting away a great QB. It would have been so easy for him to trade up to get Lamp in that round but JR has no imagination. Then top it off with wasted QB pick and I think us O-line guys have a legitimate gripe with JR.
RE: RE: Offensive lineman  
eric2425ny : 4/29/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13452896 annexOPR said:
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In comment 13452886 eric2425ny said:


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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.



amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.


Good point on Reese not overreacting by reaching for one or more lineman. I can see it now, he takes a guy in the third or fourth round, the guy doesn't pan out because he is likely not very good, and then it's endless comments on here about "fucking Jerry Reach, he can't draft offensive lineman, this is like James Brewer part 9". Now we see why teams with ridiculous cap room were giving mediocre players like Riley Reiff 50M+ contracts, because there are very few good lineman in this draft.
RE: RE: RE: Offensive lineman  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13452931 nicky43 said:
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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.



amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.



Just as many of us are so fucking sick of seeing this team being forced to play with a seriously weak o-Line wasting away a great QB. It would have been so easy for him to trade up to get Lamp in that round but JR has no imagination. Then top it off with wasted QB pick and I think us O-line guys have a legitimate gripe with JR.


Because we all know that some team was willing to trade down that far for below chart value. Not to mention that if we get Lamp we are looking at a DL with Jay Bromley starting and our only back-up being Robert Thomas.
My guess is  
jeremysgiants : 4/29/2017 3:46 pm : link
OG Damien Mama from Southern California. The Giants met with him at the Combine.
no OL in the 3rd was helping right away  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 3:46 pm : link
and a trade up for Lamp means we still have a gaping hole at DT

boo hoo Reese didn't reach for an offensive lineman in a terrible OL draft. Fluker is a better addition than the false hope provided by 90% of these OL available. Get over it
Unusual amount of WRs  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 3:46 pm : link
have not been taken as well.

Could see Reese going for a development guy there in round 6/7.
lol  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2017 3:47 pm : link
BBI meltdown
RE: RE: RE: Offensive lineman  
eric2425ny : 4/29/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13452931 nicky43 said:
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In comment 13452886 eric2425ny said:


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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.



amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.



Just as many of us are so fucking sick of seeing this team being forced to play with a seriously weak o-Line wasting away a great QB. It would have been so easy for him to trade up to get Lamp in that round but JR has no imagination. Then top it off with wasted QB pick and I think us O-line guys have a legitimate gripe with JR.


I wanted an offensive lineman this year as well, I think everyone on here would agree that's one of our biggest needs. FA was too expensive this year for crappy players, and the draft is pretty barren this time around. Lamp may be good, but he may also be a bust or an average player not worth trading picks to obtain. We need depth in several areas.
RE: Unusual amount of WRs  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13452964 Sy'56 said:
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have not been taken as well.

Could see Reese going for a development guy there in round 6/7.


call me crazy but I think Engram long term is going to be a WR / Marshall's replacement. Not sure a project is needed with Odell/Shep being so young ... any WRs you like?
RE: RE: Unusual amount of WRs  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13452977 annexOPR said:
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have not been taken as well.

Could see Reese going for a development guy there in round 6/7.



call me crazy but I think Engram long term is going to be a WR / Marshall's replacement. Not sure a project is needed with Odell/Shep being so young ... any WRs you like?


Could be.

Isaiah Ford - Virginia Tech
Austin Carr - Northwestern (slot)
Malachi Dupre - LSU
Bucky Hodges - Virginia Tech
Michael Rector - Stanford
Kevin Lucas - Tulsa
The Browns take Brantley  
Jay on the Island : 4/29/2017 3:53 pm : link
their draft just got even better.
Reese is handling this offseason to perfection  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 3:54 pm : link
1. low cost / huge reward potential on Fluker. Fluker is better than most of these prospects available.

2. Ellison is going to mask a lot of the OL deficiencies. Yes, he's that good of a blocker and I'm glad they paid him over those ridiculous free agent OT contracts.

3. Marshall and Engram additions make this passing game, on paper, almost impossible to match up with.

4. This OL class sucks. It just does. You don't reach for mediocrity and bypass other talent just because cry babies want the false hope of an OL pick. Very few were helping day 1, and pretty much none after Lamp. Get over it

5. Hole left by Hankins will be instantly plugged (literally) by Tomlinson, my favorite pick. Best run stopper in the draft.

Had this class offered better OL, yes I would've wanted an OL added early. Reese chose to play to the drafts strengths with a long term outlook rather than draft mediocrity to possibly fill a need. That's what bad teams do.

This team won 10+ games a year ago and many of the offensive holes have been filled with significant upgrades while keeping a dominant defense in tact. Go root for the Jets
Taking an OL Now  
Samiam : 4/29/2017 3:55 pm : link
I think that taking an OL now or later would probably provide the same kind of OL available as a UFDA. If they don't draft any, they will probably have a better shot at signing some after the draft because of a better ability for someone to win a job.
I'd love Hodges  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 3:56 pm : link
Engram, Hodges, Marshall ... Odell/Shep ... I think DC would just give up
Sy  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2017 3:56 pm : link
You bring up WR because of talent but what do you think of Crossan?
RE: Taking an OL Now  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13453002 Samiam said:
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I think that taking an OL now or later would probably provide the same kind of OL available as a UFDA. If they don't draft any, they will probably have a better shot at signing some after the draft because of a better ability for someone to win a job.


Except, if we draft an OL, then many here will be happy, regardless of whether or not who we draft is camp fodder
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13453006 robbieballs2003 said:
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You bring up WR because of talent but what do you think of Crossan?


As a slot? I think NYG would look more for an outside guy to develop
RE: RE: RE: RE: Offensive lineman  
nicky43 : 4/29/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13452976 eric2425ny said:
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I think everyone needs to relax with the calls for taking an offensive lineman. This years draft is frankly not good from an offensive line perspective. I can't remember who posted it this morning but they said only 10 offensive lineman were taken in the first 3 rounds, that is awful. We have seen that many go in just over one round in the past. Plus, the Giants track record is pretty awful in the later rounds when it comes to offensive lineman (see James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, etc). Why waste a pick when you can get guys at RB and DE that will actually see the field at some point. We are going to have to get by with what we have on the offensive line and hope for a stronger draft pool in that area next year.



amen. so sick of people crying about the OL. the only thing that would've been worse was if Reese actually did reach for an OL or 2 just because of "need". this class sucks, I'd rather coach up projects (UGOKWE!) in the 6/7/free agency then reach for oversized TEs like Bolles. I was so happy he went before the Giants pick.



Just as many of us are so fucking sick of seeing this team being forced to play with a seriously weak o-Line wasting away a great QB. It would have been so easy for him to trade up to get Lamp in that round but JR has no imagination. Then top it off with wasted QB pick and I think us O-line guys have a legitimate gripe with JR.



I wanted an offensive lineman this year as well, I think everyone on here would agree that's one of our biggest needs. FA was too expensive this year for crappy players, and the draft is pretty barren this time around. Lamp may be good, but he may also be a bust or an average player not worth trading picks to obtain. We need depth in several areas.


Ok so we'll just go into our Fifth season with a shitty o-line saying, maybe Jerry will fix it next year just like we have been saying for 4 years now. This strategy makes us fall further behind in having a good o-line. By time he fixes the LT and RG weaknesses it will be time to replace Pugh and Richberg thereby keeping us stuck in a cycle where each year we need no less than two serious upgrades to the o-line. You don't add depth when you are in need of starters. And as for taking projects, how have JR's projects worked out? Not too good on average I'd say.

RE: RE: Sy  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13453012 Sy'56 said:
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You bring up WR because of talent but what do you think of Crossan?



As a slot? I think NYG would look more for an outside guy to develop


I look at him as more of a Vereen. But, more of what is your opinion of him in general?
Giants are going to have to pay Pugh  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/29/2017 4:01 pm : link
can't let him walk because there is nobody developing to take his place.
Sean  
AcidTest : 4/29/2017 4:01 pm : link
O'Hara just called the Davis pick a waste. Said it should have been an OL to protect Eli. He also criticized the Tomlinson selection, saying he doesn't get enough sacks, and that the Giants could have gotten that type of player later on in the draft. Said the Giants should have selected Dawkins or Moton in the second round. Somebody else on the panel agreed with him about Davis, but not Tomlinson.
RE: Giants are going to have to pay Pugh  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13453022 Steve in South Jersey said:
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can't let him walk because there is nobody developing to take his place.


and they should, because he's 1 of the best LG in the league and perfect for mcadoo's offense
RE: Taking an OL Now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2017 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13453002 Samiam said:
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I think that taking an OL now or later would probably provide the same kind of OL available as a UFDA. If they don't draft any, they will probably have a better shot at signing some after the draft because of a better ability for someone to win a job.


You may be right. OL may be a throw-a-way pick. Might be better to try to find a hidden gem like Seubert in rookie free agency.
again ...  
annexOPR : 4/29/2017 4:03 pm : link
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006986/jerry-ugokwe

make this man a giant, please
RE: RE: RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13453020 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13453006 robbieballs2003 said:


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You bring up WR because of talent but what do you think of Crossan?



As a slot? I think NYG would look more for an outside guy to develop



I look at him as more of a Vereen. But, more of what is your opinion of him in general?


I think he would have to make a move to slot WR...not sure he can hold up as a rusher unless he would be a receiving only back. Won't break tackles, not enough wiggle for a small guy.
I still think NYG could use another CB/LB/DT  
Sy'56 : 4/29/2017 4:04 pm : link
when looking at this defensive depth chart
Sy  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 4:05 pm : link
Speaking of WR, what are your thoughts of Robert Davis & Krishawn Hogan?
RE: I still think NYG could use another CB/LB/DT  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13453041 Sy'56 said:
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when looking at this defensive depth chart


Why DT? Is it because you don't like someone there or you want more than 4 guys?
Dallas takes Xavier Woods  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2017 4:09 pm : link
That's another name off my list. He is not without flaws, but surprised nobody has gambled on Jalen Myrick at this point
on a non-football related note..  
jnoble : 4/29/2017 4:12 pm : link
..is anyone else finding these ads for a 'toothbrush for your asshole' aimed at women a little ODD for the TV audience for the NFL draft? I thought it was a joke at first
One upside to not drafting a lineman  
Giantsfan79 : 4/29/2017 4:12 pm : link
the Giants can probably get the best undrafted guys.
RE: on a non-football related note..  
robbieballs2003 : 4/29/2017 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13453070 jnoble said:
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..is anyone else finding these ads for a 'toothbrush for your asshole' aimed at women a little ODD for the TV audience for the NFL draft? I thought it was a joke at first


Maybe they want men to get their significant other a gift for mother's day.
I hope Knapp  
Jay on the Island : 4/29/2017 4:15 pm : link
is the pick here.
RE: on a non-football related note..  
Floyd_Fan : 4/29/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13453070 jnoble said:
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..is anyone else finding these ads for a 'toothbrush for your asshole' aimed at women a little ODD for the TV audience for the NFL draft? I thought it was a joke at first


literally or figuratively?
RE: Unusual amount of WRs  
CGiants07 : 4/29/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13452964 Sy'56 said:
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have not been taken as well.

Could see Reese going for a development guy there in round 6/7.


yea to compete with kind and leawis for back end roster slots
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